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And I forgot to mention something else about the Dynamite- oxytocin-hypnosis-gematria connection. Think about when Dynamite was released. It was several months into the pandem1c lockdowns and stress- nearly 1/2 a year into the thick of things when many of us were really feeling down to say the least. And that was when Dynamite took over YouTube lol. It was almost as if the purpose was to give us all that much-needed boost of oxytocin (with a side helping of hypnosis). Lol. I will tell you straight. I had never ever searched for anything related to kpop or BTS, but suddenly kept getting suggestions to watch Dynamite and “get to know BTS members” videos. And that is how I got hooked for the next just over 2 and a half years after that point.
Yes exactly and also something with Dynamite that struck me as odd. By this time I was completely obsessed with these people but I was clueing in to their general MO. I thought it was interesting that their songs were sort of heralding what was going on in the world. Right around Dynamite were the George Floyd riots where certain natives were burning cities with abandon. No one stopped them. They literally kneeled before them instead as I watched in horror. And there was the favourite group basically telling ??? to light it up. The entire song was to light it up. And don't get me started on Black Swan right before the black swan "event" of the century .
 

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Very very scary. And speaking of some heavy 322 and Skull and Bones connections with BTS, consider these cliffs notes:

The first number related to BTS to break down is 201. BTS debuted on June 13th 2013. June 13th is the day leaving 201 days left in the year. In Gematria, the number 201 connects to (at least) 3 very influential/powerful secret societies - (1) Skull and Bones (2) Order of Illuminati (3) The Jesuit Order. The phrase “two o one” (for 201) in gematria= 164. June 13 is the 164th day of the year in non-leap years like 2013. Furthermore the phrase “two zero one” (for 201) is 359. The English translation of Bangtan Sonyeondan, “Bulletproof Boy Scouts” = 359. 359 is the 72nd prime. Both “The Jesuit Order” and “Jesuit Order” = 72 in gematria. 201 when spelled out as “two hundred one” as = 72 in gematria. “Two hundred one” also= 1110 in gematria. “Bangtan Sonyeondan” = 1110. And to top it off, “Bangtan Boys” = 120 like “Illuminati”, 177 like “The Jesuit Order”, and 39 like “The Order” (aka Skull and Bones). And just for emphasis, if you add “The” to “Bangtan Boys” for “The Bangtan Boys” you get 69 and 72 like “The Jesuit Order”, lol; 69 is also like “Illuminati”.

A number closely related to 201 is 311. 201 is 311 in base-8 counting. Why is this significant? “Bangtan” is 311 in gematria, which complements the fact that the “Bangtan” Boys debuted on the day leaving 201 days left in the year. Another unsettling fact is that 311 is the 64th prime, and a very common word association with the number 64 in the industry (even though numbers have many different word associations in gematria) is “kill”. Kill is 64 in gematria (so is “Order of Illuminati”). Also if you remove the 0 from 2013, you get 213, like “death” in gematria (and in the Satanic cipher at that). There is much much more to the gematria of BTS band names, but I will stop here, lol.
Gematria freaks me out beyond words. I don't know what you guys's IQ is but it's orbiting around very large. How do you do this. I'm gobsmacked especially what you wrote about their name. Nothing has jolted me awake like this group and I'm not young like you all. I've seen a few things. Not this though. The spirit behind the composer who put these seven together is something else.
 

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I think it wouldn't be happened bcz the only member who is all rounder in that group is jkey but in an interview with yg he accepted that he can't do concerts like yg.... they truly depend on eachother...I'm not criticizing jkey but there are some clips where he was shaking while doing solo activities....

By the way did anyone saw rme pic it is really scary ..i am worried about him, in interview he talked about his mental health and now in photoshoot he is dressed weirdly as high school kid.
Black eye also. Someone's messing with him.
 

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It all boils down to finance...

1. For Bang/Hybe, it's all about revenue...so far, Betees is still the "money-maker" despite everything... All their other artists are "cost-centers" but not really bringing in much profit for the company so far... They have barely reached their ROI (Return on Investment) for these other artists..

2. Bang has been trying to "heavily invest in/market for Jm and Jk...but so far, there hasn't been much...Net income in the 3rd Qtr, covering solo activities...only at 14.64%. Currently stock price is down by 71% following announcement of the military enlistment of the remaining four...

3. For Betees...they are still "too scared/reluctant" to "venture" on their own (read:disband)...because of financial uncertainty in the future... At least as shareholders of the company, each is worth US $10-12M...It's more practical to continually "stay with Bang" ...especially now that they've been clearly given voting rights...

4. Though "not as strongly supported" by Bang/Hybe through the years...often getting the "least support" among the members...JIN is actually the one who has the "financial skills/savvy" and commercial talents to make himself more successful...as Forbes has declared him to be...Should he decide to get out of Hybe/BigHit, he has a wide range of big opportunities to make it bigger even in other arenas such as the computer gaming industry...Nexon could be flexing its muscles to "attract" Jin to join its corporate power...with a potential CEO position...It's also fascinating how Jin openly "challenged" Netmarble (a Hybe subsidiary) when he had a stint in Nexon's Maple Story game development...

5. Finance and financial security...has always been the common motivation...for both Hybe and Betees...everything else is "cheesy nostalgia..." including the so-called "band/bond of brothers..."
Stock down 71% is seriously concerning.
 

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That's Taehyung that doesn 't looks fully Korean to me
Nope Taehyung really doesn’t look fully Korean, lol, and I expressed this in another post. But besides him, some of the others also have things about their features that make them look a bit different to average Koreans. They look Korean but not quite fully Korean. Idk, maybe it’s just my eyes, lol.
 

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Yes exactly and also something with Dynamite that struck me as odd. By this time I was completely obsessed with these people but I was clueing in to their general MO. I thought it was interesting that their songs were sort of heralding what was going on in the world. Right around Dynamite were the George Floyd riots where certain natives were burning cities with abandon. No one stopped them. They literally kneeled before them instead as I watched in horror. And there was the favourite group basically telling ??? to light it up. The entire song was to light it up. And don't get me started on Black Swan right before the black swan "event" of the century .
Yea this group is really really strange. It’s downright scary. I do not feel comfortable with the way that they move.
 

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Nope Taehyung really doesn’t look fully Korean, lol, and I expressed this in another post. But besides him, some of the others also have things about their features that make them look a bit different to average Koreans. They look Korean but not quite fully Korean. Idk, maybe it’s just my eyes, lol.
no Taehyung looks more arabic than korean , but the others looks koreans in predebut, maybe the plastic surgeries that kinda change their looks
 

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Gematria freaks me out beyond words. I don't know what you guys's IQ is but it's orbiting around very large. How do you do this. I'm gobsmacked especially what you wrote about their name. Nothing has jolted me awake like this group and I'm not young like you all. I've seen a few things. Not this though. The spirit behind the composer who put these seven together is something else.
I just plug words into a free Gematria calculator online (that also provides number properties) and look at the patterns that emerge, lol. I do have a pretty decent memory and curiosity as well, so this helps. And yes the spirit behind these guys is truly something else and disturbing. But he is still no match for the only true God who is the revealer of secrets. So please don’t have too much fear concerning BTS.

Concerning BTS’ name. You might be gobsmacked by all the info, but I tell you there is much much more. Every time I have looked into it, I have found something. I have even found apparent connections of their name to the Great Pyramid of Giza, and The Eye of Providence, which seems to relate to Jimin’s so-called 333 status and more. And of course the Great Pyramid is a known hotspot of mathematical encoding. The rabbit hole goes deep.
 

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no Taehyung looks more arabic than korean , but the others looks koreans in predebut, maybe the plastic surgeries that kinda change their looks
Yea V does look kind of Arabic or partly southern European. And I have considered plastic surgery. But the guys still look like themselves predebut. And to top it off, plastic surgeons have said most of the guys have likely had little to no work done. I think their makeup plays a role too though.
 

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And don't get me started on Black Swan right before the black swan "event" of the century .
Speaking of which, on the bighitofficial verified instagram account, a post they made on 1/25/20, BUT captioned with 1/24/20 and a US flag is a pic of Jimin during Black Swan practice wearing a a grey “THE LAB” hoodie. Think about it…”the lab”… oh my goodness. Although the gematria of “THE LAB” relating to Jimin is a story in and of itself, that darn date 1/24/20 related to Jimin, “the event”, and BTS is freaking unbelievable. It is truly crazy to say the least.

First off, “Park Jimin” = 47 and 101 in gematria like “c19”. Park Jimin is also 142 like “c” in gematria. Then, between his birthday on 10/13/19 and 1/24/20 is 3 months 11 days, reminding of the 3/11 date when the WHO declared the “c”. Furthermore the “c pand….” is 113 in gematria, reminding of the fact that the 3/11 date may also be written as 11/3.

Then, between 1/24/20 and 3/11/20 when the “c” was declared, is 47 days, like “c19” is 47 in gematria. From 1/24/20 and BTS’ (7th anniversary) Festa 6/13/20
is a span of 142 days like the “c” in gematria. This span of 142 days is also 20 weeks and 2 days, like 202. ”C19” is also 202 in gematria, like Skull and Bones. And if you call it 2 days and 20 weeks, you get 220, like “The Brotherhood of Death” (Skull and Bones alternate name). 220 is also like the “c pand….” in gematria.

Also between 3/11/20 when the “c” was declared and BTS’ 7th anniversary Festa 6/13/20 was 94 days. “C pand…. is 94 in gematria.

Between 1/24/20 and Jimin’s birthday that year 10/13/20 is 263 days. 263 is the 56th prime. Well guess what? The “c” in gematria is also 56.

As a bonus, if you take the number of days in the non leap year (365) and subtract from it the number 142 you get 223- 223 like skull and crossbones. The “c” is 142 in gematria and the “novel” c is 223 in gematria.

Also another bonus. “Novel” c in gematria is 79. Jimin was born on the day leaving 79 days left in the year, and BTS is 79 In gematria.

Also with all of this, think about how much we kept hearing about Asian hate around “c”. And all of the sudden, Asian group BTS blow up like Dynamite and people love them and they save the day. It’s uncanny.
 
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Yea V does look kind of Arabic or partly southern European. And I have considered plastic surgery. But the guys still look like themselves predebut. And to top it off, plastic surgeons have said most of the guys have likely had little to no work done. I think their makeup plays a role too though.
You guys be saying anything. They all look korean. They all have asian features.
 

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Speaking of which, on the bighitofficial verified instagram account, a post they made on 1/25/20, BUT captioned with 1/24/20 and a US flag is a pic of Jimin during Black Swan practice wearing a a grey “THE LAB” hoodie. Think about it…”the lab”… oh my goodness. Although the gematria of “THE LAB” relating to Jimin is a story in and of itself, that darn date 1/24/20 related to Jimin, “the event”, and BTS is freaking unbelievable. It is truly crazy to say the least.

First off, “Park Jimin” = 47 and 101 in gematria like “c19”. Park Jimin is also 142 like “c” in gematria. Then, between his birthday on 10/13/19 and 1/24/20 is 3 months 11 days, reminding of the 3/11 date when the WHO declared the “c”. Furthermore the “c pand….” is 113 in gematria, reminding of the fact that the 3/11 date may also be written as 11/3.

Then, between 1/24/20 and 3/11/20 when the “c” was declared, is 47 days, like “c19” is 47 in gematria. From 1/24/20 and BTS’ (7th anniversary) Festa 6/13/20
is a span of 142 days like the “c” in gematria. This span of 142 days is also 20 weeks and 2 days, like 202. ”C19” is also 202 in gematria, like Skull and Bones. And if you call it 2 days and 20 weeks, you get 220, like “The Brotherhood of Death” (Skull and Bones alternate name). 220 is also like the “c pand….” in gematria.

Also between 3/11/20 when the “c” was declared and BTS’ 7th anniversary Festa 6/13/20 was 94 days. “C pand…. is 94 in gematria.

Between 1/24/20 and Jimin’s birthday that year 10/13/20 is 263 days. 263 is the 56th prime. Well guess what? The “c” in gematria is also 56.

As a bonus, if you take the number of days in the non leap year (365) and subtract from it the number 142 you get 223- 223 like skull and crossbones. The “c” is 142 in gematria and the “novel” c is 223 in gematria.

Also another bonus. “Novel” c in gematria is 79. Jimin was born on the day leaving 79 days left in the year, and BTS is 79 In gematria.

Also with all of this, think about how much we kept hearing about Asian hate around “c”. And all of the sudden, Asian group BTS blow up like Dynamite and people love them and they save the day. It’s uncanny.
And yet another thing. There is something about the 3/11 date being a fateful date in history more than once (Japan tsunami/earthquake 2011). March 11th is 70th day of the year in non leap years (the 71st in leap years). Both “c” and “pand” are 70 in gematria, but of course 2020 was a leap year.

And think too of the other 11 and 3 date, November 3, or 11/3. It has been an important date in BTS history. It was the day of Suga’s shoulder surgery in 2020 and the day JK released Golden this year. And guess what? Both “surgery” and “Golden” equal 113 in gematria. If you take BTS debut date 6/13/2013, it was the 164th day of the year and the day leaving 201 days left, or 164/201. 1+6+4=11 and 2+1= 3, so in this way, 164/201 becomes 11/3. Also 11/3 is the 307 day of the year in non-leap years and the day leaving 58 days left. Freemason is 307 in gematria, and Freemasonry is 58. Min Yoongi is also 58. Also from 11/3 to BTS festa anniversary in a non-leap year is a span of 223 days, like Skull and Crossbones in Gematria. There are 222 days between 11/3 and 6/13 in a followed non-leap year. Golden Maknae is 222 in Gematria and Jungkook is 223, and of course JK released Golden on 11/3. Next year of course is a leap year though, so it will be 223 days between the dates, for a span of 224 days.
 

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And yet another thing. There is something about the 3/11 date being a fateful date in history more than once (Japan tsunami/earthquake 2011). March 11th is 70th day of the year in non leap years (the 71st in leap years). Both “c” and “pand” are 70 in gematria, but of course 2020 was a leap year.

And think too of the other 11 and 3 date, November 3, or 11/3. It has been an important date in BTS history. It was the day of Suga’s shoulder surgery in 2020 and the day JK released Golden this year. And guess what? Both “surgery” and “Golden” equal 113 in gematria. If you take BTS debut date 6/13/2013, it was the 164th day of the year and the day leaving 201 days left, or 164/201. 1+6+4=11 and 2+1= 3, so in this way, 164/201 becomes 11/3. Also 11/3 is the 307 day of the year in non-leap years and the day leaving 58 days left. Freemason is 307 in gematria, and Freemasonry is 58. Min Yoongi is also 58. Also from 11/3 to BTS festa anniversary in a non-leap year is a span of 223 days, like Skull and Crossbones in Gematria. There are 222 days between 11/3 and 6/13 in a followed non-leap year. Golden Maknae is 222 in Gematria and Jungkook is 223, and of course JK released Golden on 11/3. Next year of course is a leap year though, so it will be 223 days between the dates, for a span of 224 days.
And I also forgot to mention, “WHO”, who declared “c” on 3/11 is 113 in gematria.

Also “bulletproof” is 142, 155, 310, 83, 284, 527, 540 and 56 like “c” in gematria.

The sentence/mantra: “We are bulletproof.” is 202 like “C19” and “Skull and Bones” in gematria

Also in gematria, “the black swan” is: (1) 47 like Park Jimin and “C19”, (2) 56 like “c” and bulletproof, (3) 79 like “novel” c, “BTS”, and the number of days Jimin’s birthday leaves in the year, and (4) 70 like “c” and “pand”.
 
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Yea V does look kind of Arabic or partly southern European. And I have considered plastic surgery. But the guys still look like themselves predebut. And to top it off, plastic surgeons have said most of the guys have likely had little to no work done. I think their makeup plays a role too though.
Makeup definitely accentuates facial features in both pleasant and unpleasant ways. I have a big nose for example, and a makeup artist I used to be friends with one day did a look on me for her portfolio, and she contoured my nose in such a way to make it look really narrow. I like my nose big personally, but I have yet to figure out how the frick she did it. Tanning, being well hydrated, hairstyles, being tired/fatigued, being sick, weight gain/loss, can all make a person look like they've had plastic surgery when they really haven't.

I think Tae is very unusual looking, not in a bad way, just not a typical Korean face. Asians like to insist the only way to tell Asian ethnicities apart is by accent and this is very far from the truth because each ethnic group has a predominant facial structure. Tae's eyes, and the roundness of the tip of his nose, are his only distinctively Korean features (that nose shape is super common among Koreans, nobody else seems to have that). Otherwise, Tae looks totally different from other Koreans.

If we look at NJ, YG, JK and even J!n, they are definitively Korean. NJ's eyes are unique for sure, but he's got the standard Korean face, same goes for YG just smaller. Tae and JM are the only who don't have typical Asian features at all. I'd love to know what an anthropologist thinks of their faces. I did study some anthropology so I maybe could jump into that, but I don't wanna make this post crazy long.

NJ had a nose job a few years ago, which he made a public post about right before he got it done. I think the only other thing he's had is maybe something with his chin or jaw, since the shape has changed significantly since debut.

I could go on forever about JH and how much plastic surgery I think he's had. Armpits insist he's never had a nose job but his nose looks totally different from when they first debuted. His cheeks and jawline look different too, regardless of what weight he is. He's had a ton of work done, you can clearly see it. JH was very handsome during their Dark & Wild album release, but after that nose job his whole face changed and he's never looked as handsome as he once was. There was a lot of internet bullying, especially on twitter, regarding JH. If that bullying drove him to ruin his face I wouldn't be surprised. Like, I will never tell people what they can and cannot do with their body, when it is their choice and not due to outside influence. (And why people thought he was ugly back then, before surgery is beyond me. That man was attractive and those people were delusional).

As far as JM is concerned, I don't know what the hell is going on with his face! He clearly gets botox, like, he takes stiff to the next level. But his features tend to be morphological, like at different times he's looked shockingly different and then he'll reappear looking less stiff and like he hasn't had surgery at all, and it confuses the crap out of me. Also, the filters he uses on his selfies to make himself look younger and also like his eyes are Caucasian instead of epicanthic, annoys the snot out of me.

I don't think J!n, YG, or Tae have had plastic surgery, though I do think for a while in 2021 and 2022 YG was getting botox injections. It's kinda obvious with how unnaturally stiff his face was. I do recall him complaining about wrinkles in livestreams over the years. Wrinkles that I don't even see...

I think Hive might be obsessed with YG appearing ultra young and being very thin/petite. He's talked about being bullied by Hive staff on two separate occasions to stop gaining weight because they're worried he won't fit his stage clothing. Like, who gives a crap? Buy new clothes! Thing is, when YG was bulking up a couple years ago, his popularity rose, and people were talking less about JK (internet search stats from 2020, 2021 ad 2022 back this up). So I really think Hive don't want him to ever look masculine, and want him to keep on with the petite, dare I say "twink" appearance. A lot of armpits have this obsession with fanart that depicts YG being ultra smaller than the bandmate they're pairing him with, and they draw him childlike too (They claim it is "size kink", but what they are drawing is NOT size kink). It's pretty obvious what they are trying to portray there, and it's sick. The fact that Hive wants to feed that is even sicker.

If we look at the album photos for the Young Forever album, in every photo they are dressed like school boys and look insanely "young", even though at the time they were all in their early and mid-twenties. But any of them could've passed as teenagers in those photos. And I refuse to believe that it goes along with the album name, because it's one thing out of a history of things Hive has done to make these guys look young and innocent and fair, to obviously appeal to predators.
 

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Makeup definitely accentuates facial features in both pleasant and unpleasant ways. I have a big nose for example, and a makeup artist I used to be friends with one day did a look on me for her portfolio, and she contoured my nose in such a way to make it look really narrow. I like my nose big personally, but I have yet to figure out how the frick she did it. Tanning, being well hydrated, hairstyles, being tired/fatigued, being sick, weight gain/loss, can all make a person look like they've had plastic surgery when they really haven't.

I think Tae is very unusual looking, not in a bad way, just not a typical Korean face. Asians like to insist the only way to tell Asian ethnicities apart is by accent and this is very far from the truth because each ethnic group has a predominant facial structure. Tae's eyes, and the roundness of the tip of his nose, are his only distinctively Korean features (that nose shape is super common among Koreans, nobody else seems to have that). Otherwise, Tae looks totally different from other Koreans.

If we look at NJ, YG, JK and even J!n, they are definitively Korean. NJ's eyes are unique for sure, but he's got the standard Korean face, same goes for YG just smaller. Tae and JM are the only who don't have typical Asian features at all. I'd love to know what an anthropologist thinks of their faces. I did study some anthropology so I maybe could jump into that, but I don't wanna make this post crazy long.

NJ had a nose job a few years ago, which he made a public post about right before he got it done. I think the only other thing he's had is maybe something with his chin or jaw, since the shape has changed significantly since debut.

I could go on forever about JH and how much plastic surgery I think he's had. Armpits insist he's never had a nose job but his nose looks totally different from when they first debuted. His cheeks and jawline look different too, regardless of what weight he is. He's had a ton of work done, you can clearly see it. JH was very handsome during their Dark & Wild album release, but after that nose job his whole face changed and he's never looked as handsome as he once was. There was a lot of internet bullying, especially on twitter, regarding JH. If that bullying drove him to ruin his face I wouldn't be surprised. Like, I will never tell people what they can and cannot do with their body, when it is their choice and not due to outside influence. (And why people thought he was ugly back then, before surgery is beyond me. That man was attractive and those people were delusional).

As far as JM is concerned, I don't know what the hell is going on with his face! He clearly gets botox, like, he takes stiff to the next level. But his features tend to be morphological, like at different times he's looked shockingly different and then he'll reappear looking less stiff and like he hasn't had surgery at all, and it confuses the crap out of me. Also, the filters he uses on his selfies to make himself look younger and also like his eyes are Caucasian instead of epicanthic, annoys the snot out of me.

I don't think J!n, YG, or Tae have had plastic surgery, though I do think for a while in 2021 and 2022 YG was getting botox injections. It's kinda obvious with how unnaturally stiff his face was. I do recall him complaining about wrinkles in livestreams over the years. Wrinkles that I don't even see...

I think Hive might be obsessed with YG appearing ultra young and being very thin/petite. He's talked about being bullied by Hive staff on two separate occasions to stop gaining weight because they're worried he won't fit his stage clothing. Like, who gives a crap? Buy new clothes! Thing is, when YG was bulking up a couple years ago, his popularity rose, and people were talking less about JK (internet search stats from 2020, 2021 ad 2022 back this up). So I really think Hive don't want him to ever look masculine, and want him to keep on with the petite, dare I say "twink" appearance. A lot of armpits have this obsession with fanart that depicts YG being ultra smaller than the bandmate they're pairing him with, and they draw him childlike too (They claim it is "size kink", but what they are drawing is NOT size kink). It's pretty obvious what they are trying to portray there, and it's sick. The fact that Hive wants to feed that is even sicker.

If we look at the album photos for the Young Forever album, in every photo they are dressed like school boys and look insanely "young", even though at the time they were all in their early and mid-twenties. But any of them could've passed as teenagers in those photos. And I refuse to believe that it goes along with the album name, because it's one thing out of a history of things Hive has done to make these guys look young and innocent and fair, to obviously appeal to predators.
Yep I agree on the makeup, tanning, hydration, hairstyles, weight changes, etc. making it look like a person has had surgeries. And I agree with JM and V looking the most mixed out of BTS, even JK as well but lesser so. They look Korean but also have some distinctive non-Korean traits. V’s facial structure does not look standard Korean. All that nose bridge height he has and the general shape of his makes his facial structure look non-Korean (although I’m sure make-up contouring is playing a role). The thing about Jimin’s eyes that is unusual is that they appear to have full monolids, yet somehow show a more Eurocentric-like shape at the same time. It’s different, but is what tends to happen when a person has an ethinically mixed bloodline. And like you said, Hyungs look pretty standard Korean to me as well. All very good-looking guys to me too, all 7 of them. They are so cute.

I will also use myself as an example. I have traits atypical for most blacks b/c my heritage is actually mixed with European and Southeast Asian. So I have things like double eye lids but with Asian-esque eye shape and a thin nose with narrow high bridge and subtle things with my facial morphology. Once in a while I have people stop me and ask me what I am mixed with. So it’s obvious to others when they see me that I’m multiethnic and I feel like this is what I am picking up on in BTS members. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t really think so. And of course you don’t necessarily have to be mixed to look it, but it’s not as common.

And yea its weird how BTS members are infantilized. And yea I think they are getting fillers or something in their face. They are so young to be getting botox too. Wow. And YG looked really handsome this summer when he put on a bit of weight during his tour. They shouldn’t be starving the man into “twink” status. Not that he looks bad super thin, he just looks heartier with a bit of weight.
 
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Yep I agree on the makeup, tanning, hydration, hairstyles, weight changes, etc. making it look like a person has had surgeries. And I agree with JM and V looking the most mixed out of BTS, even JK as well but lesser so. They look Korean but also have some distinctive non-Korean traits. V’s facial structure does not look standard Korean. All that nose bridge height he has and the general shape of his makes his facial structure look non-Korean (although I’m sure make-up contouring is playing a role). The thing about Jimin’s eyes that is unusual is that they appear to have full monolids, yet somehow show a more Eurocentric-like shape at the same time. It’s different, but is what tends to happen when a person has an ethinically mixed bloodline. And like you said, Hyungs look pretty standard Korean to me as well. All very good-looking guys to me too, all 7 of them. They are so cute.

I will also use myself as an example. I have traits atypical for most blacks b/c my heritage is actually mixed with European and Southeast Asian. So I have things like double eye lids but with Asian-esque eye shape and a thin nose with narrow high bridge and subtle things with my facial morphology. Once in a while I have people stop me and ask me what I am mixed with. So it’s obvious to others when they see me that I’m multiethnic and I feel like this is what I am picking up on in BTS members. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t really think so. And of course you don’t necessarily have to be mixed to look it, but it’s not as common.

And yea its weird how BTS members are infantilized. And yea I think they are getting fillers or something in their face. They are so young to be getting botox too. Wow. And YG looked really handsome this summer when he put on a bit of weight during his tour. They shouldn’t be starving the man into “twink” status. Not that he looks bad super thin, he just looks heartier with a bit of weight.
Interesting. I'm multiethnic too, and to me, JK is the only one who looks half Korean. Mainly cause he has double eyelids. If you look at his whole face, now that I think about it more, his bone structure is very caucasoid, especially his jawline. I pulled up some older photos of JK during their debut (which are most likely to be pre-plastic surgery), and compared them to photos of caucasoid and mongoloid skulls. It's not weird, okay, when I studied anthropology we looked at A LOT of skulls and compared them to our own faces. Granted, JK could have had surgery pre-debut, but based on the photos that were released publicly of him when he was a kid, I doubt he had plastic surgery when he was that young. But JK doesn't look distinctly mongoloid or distinctly caucasoid, I see features of both.

His jaws and the sides of his face are parallel, and the corner of his jaw is much sharper than a mongoloid skull. I don't think that can be achieved with plastic surgery. From a side profile view, a caucasoid jaw is parallelogram shaped, without any harsh curves in the parallel lines of the jaw. Mongoloid jaws have a harsh curve that turns backward toward the ear canal, and negroid skulls have a diagonal lean as opposed to a curve. As shown in this awesome diagram I've attached.

On the other photo I've attached, which is JK's profile, I doodled on his jawline just to show how similar it is to a caucasoid jaw versus a mongoloid jaw. His jaw curves backward ever so slightly to meet his ear canal, but curves underneath his ear canal as well which is specific to a caucasoid jaw structure. The front of his jaw, which would be chin and teeth, juts outward slightly as we see with a mongoloid jaw. Also, the back of JK's skull, ignoring his hair volume, is more similar to the back of the caucasoid skull. There are traits of both, not one or the other. This can be explained by two possibilities: The family's genetics just lean toward a caucasoid jaw for no apparent reason, or, he's not 100% Korean. Like, if he is biracial or multiracial, that isn't any big deal, but, to a lot of Koreans it is. People who are not Korean or half Korean get treated very differently and have hardly any rights compared to full Koreans. Good reason for him to hide it.

It's not definitive science though. Genetics play a huge role and I could examine hundreds of caucasoid and mongoloid skull specimens and find unique traits and subtleties among them all. And with how much we travel around the world these days, I'm sure that skull specimens from a couple centuries ago have less variation than skull specimens today. One thing we can say when looking at the diagram below, is that all the ear canals sit parallel to the tip of the nose, regardless of the jaw's structure.

I'm seriously tempted to ask my anthropologist friend (she has a master's degree), to check my work, lol. If you guys see something different from what I'm saying and/or wanna add to this go right ahead. In the end it's all speculation because of genetics and all that jazz. I also acknowledge that the negroid skull in the diagram is a difficult one to work with, because bone structure throughout Africa varies dramatically, so there's a big difference between the peoples of the Niger-Congo region, in comparison to Northern Africa and East Africa. I mean, you look at someone from Eritrea, then look at someone from Nigeria and then compare that to someone from Morocco and oh boy are they unique to each other.

On a hilarious note, there's a plastic surgeon years ago who analyzed all the band members and said JM was blessed with Western features (he likely means "white" or caucasian, basically), but JM is the one member with the most distinctly mongoloid skull structure out of them all, followed closely by NJ and YG.
 

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Interesting. I'm multiethnic too, and to me, JK is the only one who looks half Korean. Mainly cause he has double eyelids. If you look at his whole face, now that I think about it more, his bone structure is very caucasoid, especially his jawline. I pulled up some older photos of JK during their debut (which are most likely to be pre-plastic surgery), and compared them to photos of caucasoid and mongoloid skulls. It's not weird, okay, when I studied anthropology we looked at A LOT of skulls and compared them to our own faces. Granted, JK could have had surgery pre-debut, but based on the photos that were released publicly of him when he was a kid, I doubt he had plastic surgery when he was that young. But JK doesn't look distinctly mongoloid or distinctly caucasoid, I see features of both.

His jaws and the sides of his face are parallel, and the corner of his jaw is much sharper than a mongoloid skull. I don't think that can be achieved with plastic surgery. From a side profile view, a caucasoid jaw is parallelogram shaped, without any harsh curves in the parallel lines of the jaw. Mongoloid jaws have a harsh curve that turns backward toward the ear canal, and negroid skulls have a diagonal lean as opposed to a curve. As shown in this awesome diagram I've attached.

On the other photo I've attached, which is JK's profile, I doodled on his jawline just to show how similar it is to a caucasoid jaw versus a mongoloid jaw. His jaw curves backward ever so slightly to meet his ear canal, but curves underneath his ear canal as well which is specific to a caucasoid jaw structure. The front of his jaw, which would be chin and teeth, juts outward slightly as we see with a mongoloid jaw. Also, the back of JK's skull, ignoring his hair volume, is more similar to the back of the caucasoid skull. There are traits of both, not one or the other. This can be explained by two possibilities: The family's genetics just lean toward a caucasoid jaw for no apparent reason, or, he's not 100% Korean. Like, if he is biracial or multiracial, that isn't any big deal, but, to a lot of Koreans it is. People who are not Korean or half Korean get treated very differently and have hardly any rights compared to full Koreans. Good reason for him to hide it.

It's not definitive science though. Genetics play a huge role and I could examine hundreds of caucasoid and mongoloid skull specimens and find unique traits and subtleties among them all. And with how much we travel around the world these days, I'm sure that skull specimens from a couple centuries ago have less variation than skull specimens today. One thing we can say when looking at the diagram below, is that all the ear canals sit parallel to the tip of the nose, regardless of the jaw's structure.

I'm seriously tempted to ask my anthropologist friend (she has a master's degree), to check my work, lol. If you guys see something different from what I'm saying and/or wanna add to this go right ahead. In the end it's all speculation because of genetics and all that jazz. I also acknowledge that the negroid skull in the diagram is a difficult one to work with, because bone structure throughout Africa varies dramatically, so there's a big difference between the peoples of the Niger-Congo region, in comparison to Northern Africa and East Africa. I mean, you look at someone from Eritrea, then look at someone from Nigeria and then compare that to someone from Morocco and oh boy are they unique to each other.

On a hilarious note, there's a plastic surgeon years ago who analyzed all the band members and said JM was blessed with Western features (he likely means "white" or caucasian, basically), but JM is the one member with the most distinctly mongoloid skull structure out of them all, followed closely by NJ and YG.
Interesting. I’m no anthropologist so can’t help you out with any expertise, lol. And yes genes are very funny. JK does look interesting with his Western-like head/skull shape. And his large eyes with double eyelids as well. It’s not a usual Korean look at all and he does look quite convincingly mixed. However, when he is compared to Kai from TXT for example, who is half-white, JK looks quite Korean. Really it’s the same for JM and V as well. When compared to someone like Kai, they too look decidedly Korean. Which makes me wonder if their mixture (if they are mixed) is more indirect, like an admixture, like multigenerational mixing.
But yea, the maknae line kind of has that Western edge to their looks. And I agree on Jimin’s head and faceshape looking typical Korean. He has a Korean head/face shape with what looks like Western-influenced facial features. And yes - lots of variety with Africans for sure. The continent is vast! I know I’ve gotten asked if I was Eritrean or East African multiple times. I can kind of understand why they ask that, but I’m actually not. I’m just hodgepodge mixed-up, lol.
 
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