BTS discussion thread

[Beautiful]

Korean reactor and they said actually T@emin was speaking some very high level Korean during that interview and then there was Sug@ and Jim1n making lame jokes and passing useless comments....

This true I also felt that.. teamin was answering the questions seriously yuoongi is not even listening he is just focusing on jm and making jokes .. which is rude. .. i really feel that teayang is correct for suga if you see that episode he was really showing attitude to yoonugi .. and he even said jm is not a good singer

 

[arhur12]

I didn't watch the interview (I personally find Suchwita super boring), but from my perspective, T@emin is being ultra humble, showing zero insecurity, and YG is probably attempting to compliment him but be funny about it. Cause I know tons of people who will talk down to themselves humorously, and other people who are close to that person say "Nah, you're not 1%, you're 2%!" to compliment them but accept their humble nature at the same time. In other words, saying that you are aware they're poking fun at themselves and you wanna poke fun too but also elevate them.

Maybe but T@emin is his senior by 6-7 years so I thought it was rude to talk to him like that. They also kept talking about JM praising him instead of the guest. Do they do this every episode?? They kept making everything about BTS....

 

[arhur12]

This true I also felt that.. teamin was answering the questions seriously yuoongi is not even listening he is just focusing on jm and making jokes .. which is rude. .. i really feel that teayang is correct for suga if you see that episode he was really showing attitude to yoonugi .. and he even said jm is not a good singer

The only Idols BT$ respect are Big Bang and yes T@eyang was a better match for him. SM idols tend to be very humble and soft spoken.


BTW JM and his brain-dead fans needs to hear this. This also coming from the best dancer in kpop.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1719300154707386717

There is no excuse for him singing like a crying goat when his bestie went from having no lines in Sh1nee's debut song to being one of the best vocalists in the industry.

 

[mang0_sm00thi3]

Maybe but T@emin is his senior by 6-7 years so I thought it was rude to talk to him like that. They also kept talking about JM praising him instead of the guest. Do they do this every episode?? They kept making everything about BTS....

Actually SG was the oldest guy at the table on that episode. He and T@emin are both ‘93 liners, with SG being about 4 months T@emin’s senior. T@emin just got started as an artist earlier/younger than either SG or J1m1n, making it seem like he his older than them.
As for BeeTS making the show all about them, I’m not sure. I haven’t followed this show or episode very closely. But as I understand it, quite a lot of footage is cut out and spliced together for the episodes. So what they show us are the parts specifically chosen, lol. So if anyone is acting rude, it’s apparently meant to be part of the show. And I also get the feeling it’s at least partially scripted. So I’d take anything said/done on this show with a grain of salt. This particular episode was extremely by the numbers as well, and it’s probably not the only one.

 

[daughter of the most high]

jungkook standing next to you
analysis & symbolism pt.2

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720744221416542580

 

[IrrelevantPerson]

u guys have too much free time on ur hands. lol imagine if u were wrong tho just saying

 

[arhur12]

Actually SG was the oldest guy at the table on that episode. He and T@emin are both ‘93 liners, with SG being about 4 months T@emin’s senior. T@emin just got started as an artist earlier/younger than either SG or J1m1n, making it seem like he his older than them.
As for BeeTS making the show all about them, I’m not sure. I haven’t followed this show or episode very closely. But as I understand it, quite a lot of footage is cut out and spliced together for the episodes. So what they show us are the parts specifically chosen, lol. So if anyone is acting rude, it’s apparently meant to be part of the show. And I also get the feeling it’s at least partially scripted. So I’d take anything said/done on this show with a grain of salt. This particular episode was extremely by the numbers as well, and it’s probably not the only one.

Well, maybe you are right...Baekhyun is one year older than him but he would still call Taemin sunbaenim so ig I felt weird because of that.

Anyways, is it just me or JM's dancing became worse??

He used to be so much better but here he looks so stiff and the lack of stage presence....I am so disappointed....he is already a bad singer and if he dances like this now it means he really wasted his talents.

 

[mang0_sm00thi3]

Well, maybe you are right...Baekhyun is one year older than him but he would still call Taemin sunbaenim so ig I felt weird because of that.

Anyways, is it just me or JM's dancing became worse??

He used to be so much better but here he looks so stiff and the lack of stage presence....I am so disappointed....he is already a bad singer and if he dances like this now it means he really wasted his talents.

That is weird that Baekhyun being ‘92 line would refer to Taem1n as sunbaenim. But you know, it might be because of T@em1n’s skill level and/or personality.

Anyway, as for J1m1n’s dance. Idk, it seems about the same to me. But he (and the rest of them) seem to go into some type of trance(?) when they perform. A strange look to their eyes. To be honest J1m1n seems like this a lot, especially in his Pr0duct1on Diary Live with his gold hair, and that special live talk he did with arm33 in the green Saint sweater. Also the Producti0n Diary J1m1n did showing the creation of his album, I found difficult to watch he was acting so childish throughout. The edits kept showing him giggling and wiggling around on the sofa. He was behaving like a small child. I found it very unlike a close to 30-year-old man. Seems like these guys are under some type of mind control or programming. Even most of their video concepts feature common Monarch programming elements.

 

[minnie82]

Well, maybe you are right...Baekhyun is one year older than him but he would still call Taemin sunbaenim so ig I felt weird because of that.

Anyways, is it just me or JM's dancing became worse??

He used to be so much better but here he looks so stiff and the lack of stage presence....I am so disappointed....he is already a bad singer and if he dances like this now it means he really wasted his talents.

yes didn't believe in cloning, but if they replaced him , and this one is not the real Jimin, maybe that's why he's not cabable of dancing good like he used to do ..

 

[mang0_sm00thi3]

yes didn't believe in cloning, but if they replaced him , and this one is not the real Jimin, maybe that's why he's not cabable of dancing good like he used to do ..

You think it’s maybe a twin? Or maybe he just was a little off? To me, the dancing here is not a very far departure from his norm. Especially when you consider that, around the time of these performances, J1m1n had some exceptionally bad live vocals which had people really talking. So idk what it really means, bad day, evil less-trained twin, need reprogamming, lol.

 

[minnie82]

You think it’s maybe a twin? Or maybe he just was a little off? To me, the dancing here is not a very far departure from his norm. Especially when you consider that, around the time of these performances, J1m1n had some exceptionally bad live vocals which had people really talking. So idk what it really means, bad day, evil less-trained twin, need reprogamming, lol.

yes everything could be possible.

 

[arhur12]

That is weird that Baekhyun being ‘92 line would refer to Taem1n as sunbaenim. But you know, it might be because of T@em1n’s skill level and/or personality. From what I’ve seen of Taem1n, he appears to have a dominant, controlling type vibe, easily angered, imho. He seems very ambitious, calculated and measured too. It also seems like he has this kind of soft front that easily comes off, which is creepy. I might be wrong in this, but it’s just a feeling I get.
Anyway, as for J1m1n’s dance. Idk, it seems about the same to me. But he (and the rest of them) seem to go into some type of trance(?) when they perform. A strange look to their eyes. To be honest J1m1n seems like this a lot, especially in his Pr0duct1on Diary Live with his gold hair, and that special live talk he did with arm33 in the green Saint sweater. Also the Producti0n Diary J1m1n did showing the creation of his album, I found difficult to watch he was acting so childish throughout. The edits kept showing him giggling and wiggling around on the sofa. He was behaving like a small child. I found it very unlike a close to 30-year-old man. Seems like these guys are under some type of mind control or programming. Even most of their video concepts feature common Monarch programming elements.

Taemin's not like that at all he is one of the sweetest and most humble idols out there. I used to stan Sh1nee and I don't remember him ever acting conceited or like a "Diva". Just today he told Sh@wols who went to his fansign to not buy gifts for him and instead use that money on themselves. He was also one of the first idols who stopped receiving fan gifts for birthdays and he was only 20 years old at that time. Meanwhile, BT$ kept receiving expensive fan gifts until 2018-19 even after they became mega stars. Baekhyun and Wendy have also told their fans not to spend too much money to buy albums and instead use their money on themselves too but you don't see BT$ members say that to armchairs.


About JM I remember his dancing being more fluid. His backup dancers are dancing better than him. It is more apparent in set me free P2 where dancers carry the entire performance. I just think they got lazy or he is just not that good as a soloist. Back then, he had BT$ members to support him so he could focus on the choreo only but now he has to focus on both choreo and singing so he is having a difficult time. Its still bad because Ka1 from Ex0 is also a dancer and and having a solo career did not affect his overall dance and performing skills.

 

[arhur12]

You think it’s maybe a twin? Or maybe he just was a little off? To me, the dancing here is not a very far departure from his norm. Especially when you consider that, around the time of these performances, J1m1n had some exceptionally bad live vocals which had people really talking. So idk what it really means, bad day, evil less-trained twin, need reprogamming, lol.

I would say its laziness because now that I think about it JH too did not dance much during his solo promotions and BT$ haven't given a really high energy dance performance since 2020. JM having bad live vocals is nothing new. He abused autotune on his album because he can't sing. Set me free PT 2 is unlistenable because of the horrible autotune.

 

[mang0_sm00thi3]

I would say its laziness because now that I think about it JH too did not dance much during his solo promotions and BT$ haven't given a really high energy dance performance since 2020. JM having bad live vocals is nothing new. He abused autotune on his album because he can't sing. Set me free PT 2 is unlistenable because of the horrible autotune.

Idk, the 2022 Grammy Awards Butter performance when they performed as a group there was lots of energy and didn’t seem lazy. And maybe it’s a bit of laziness for JM solo, idk. But if he is under M0narch programming as is suspected, he was about 27 and a half during his solo release and performances. And if I remember correctly, this is around the time the programming starts to get wonky and break down. So this too might be a factor.

 

[mang0_sm00thi3]

Taemin's not like that at all he is one of the sweetest and most humble idols out there. I used to stan Sh1nee and I don't remember him ever acting conceited or like a "Diva". Just today he told Sh@wols who went to his fansign to not buy gifts for him and instead use that money on themselves. He was also one of the first idols who stopped receiving fan gifts for birthdays and he was only 20 years old at that time. Meanwhile, BT$ kept receiving expensive fan gifts until 2018-19 even after they became mega stars. Baekhyun and Wendy have also told their fans not to spend too much money to buy albums and instead use their money on themselves too but you don't see BT$ members say that to armchairs.


About JM I remember his dancing being more fluid. His backup dancers are dancing better than him. It is more apparent in set me free P2 where dancers carry the entire performance. I just think they got lazy or he is just not that good as a soloist. Back then, he had BT$ members to support him so he could focus on the choreo only but now he has to focus on both choreo and singing so he is having a difficult time. Its still bad because Ka1 from Ex0 is also a dancer and and having a solo career did not affect his overall dance and performing skills.

Ok, like I said, I could be wrong in my impression of T@emin’s personality. I totally accept this. However, the fact that he and others started to refuse all the gifts doesn’t necessarily point to noble, beautiful personality traits per se. It could be coming from reasons of practicality. Maybe they simply find all the gifts overwhelming and can’t use or store them all you know. Another possible reason for publicly refusing gifts and telling fans to spend on themselves could even be to give the appearance/impression of being a good, humble person. Whatever these artist’s personalities, at the end of the day, we all know they depend on their fans’ support and expect them to spend money on them as artists, lol.

As for J1m1n’s dancing, it is usually fluid, but I think it kind of also depends on the style for a particular performance. At any rate, in my eyes, his dancimg is fairly stable/consistent. Every performance is not his best, but yea.

CORRECTION: Having come to my senses, I realize that I was out of line to post a negative opinion of someone’s personality, especially one that I don’t know. Some things are better left unsaid regardless of whether they are true or not. I was wrong to post unkind things about T@em1n and I apologize.

 

[arhur12]

Idk, the 2022 Grammy Awards Butter performance when they performed as a group there was lots of energy and didn’t seem lazy. And maybe it’s a bit of laziness for JM solo, idk. But if he is under M0narch programming as is suspected, he was about 27 and a half during his solo release and performances. And if I remember correctly, this is around the time the programming starts to get wonky and break down. So this too might be a factor.

Maybe...but I just think they have become lazy. Idk if you are familiar with other BGs but JM wouldn't even rank among top 10 dancers if we take all 4th gen and 5th gen main dancers into account. Even if we say he was going through some MK Ultra breakdown thing that doesn't make sense because we have Ka1 and Ba3khyun as an example who didn't become wonky or lazy during live performances when they were that age.

For comparison T@eyong from NCT is same age as JM and he too had his solo debut this year but that man wasn't wonky or lazy here. He is dancing great even if the song is trash.

Then, there was also T@emin who out danced his backup dancers while he was on 6-8 pills for depression and anxiety attacks at 27 because of his MK ultra programming becoming weak.

There is no excuse for them performing like this when they want to become global superstars. They can't sing well and now can't dance well either. They only look good to westerners because other western artists don't add choreography to their songs.

 

[arhur12]

Ok, like I said, I could be wrong in my impression of T@emin’s personality. I totally accept this. However, the fact that he and others started to refuse all the gifts doesn’t necessarily point to noble, beautiful personality traits per se. It could be coming from reasons of practicality. Maybe they simply find all the gifts overwhelming and can’t use or store them all you know. Another possible reason for publicly refusing gifts and telling fans to spend on themselves could even be to give the appearance/impression of being a good, humble person. Whatever these artist’s personalities, at the end of the day, we all know they depend on their fans’ support and expect them to spend money on them as artists, lol.

As for J1m1n’s dancing, it is usually fluid, but I think it kind of also depends on the style for a particular performance. At any rate, in my eyes, his dancimg is fairly stable/consistent. Every performance is not his best, but yea.

Ohh I am not saying he is some noble personality because at the end of the day they are all part of this evil industry so they are not admirable people but in general SM artists are known for their good manners and humble personality. I don't think Sug@ intended to be disrespectful I just think he was trying to be goofy to make the episode entertaining. At the end of the day all they care about is his show getting good views.

Maybe, this is just me since I haven't been following them lately. I used to Stan them in 2019-2020 era and I remember them being better at live performances. I was also disappointed with JH when he didn't dance during his solo promotions. In general Kpop choreos have become more difficult in the past 3 years and nowadays you see even rookies dancing to harder choreographies than JM's like crazy and Smf P2 so maybe he was fine but my own standards have become higher because of how the industry has changed in the past few years.

 

[mang0_sm00thi3]

Maybe...but I just think they have become lazy. Idk if you are familiar with other BGs but JM wouldn't even rank among top 10 dancers if we take all 4th gen and 5th gen main dancers into account. Even if we say he was going through some MK Ultra breakdown thing that doesn't make sense because we have Ka1 and Ba3khyun as an example who didn't become wonky or lazy during live performances when they were that age.

For comparison T@eyong from NCT is same age as JM and he too had his solo debut this year but that man wasn't wonky or lazy here. He is dancing great even if the song is trash.

Then, there was also T@emin who out danced his backup dancers while he was on 6-8 pills for depression and anxiety attacks at 27 because of his MK ultra programming becoming weak.

There is no excuse for them performing like this when they want to become global superstars. They can't sing well and now can't dance well either. They only look good to westerners because other western artists don't add choreography to their songs.

Ok, this is your analysis. That’s fine and fair. As for me, I’m not a fan of any of these artists and am really not interested in excusing them, comparing them, or ranking them. I look up to none of them, and I don’t see any of them as being above the other. I was just trying to consider some unfortunate but real dark, dirty industry reasons for why they might perform, act or speak as they do. However we might feel about these artists, they work for a debased, Satanic industry.

 

[arhur12]

Ok, this is your analysis. That’s fine and fair. As for me, I’m not a fan of any of these artists and am really not interested in excusing them, comparing them, or ranking them. I look up to none of them, and I don’t see any of them as being above the other. I was just trying to consider some unfortunate but real dark, dirty industry reasons for why they might perform, act or speak as they do. However we might feel about these artists, they work for a debased, Satanic industry.

Ok I understand. Don't get me wrong I don't support any of these artists.They are all part of the evil industry and they promote evil stuff through their music so we shouldn't be supporting them. I just don't understand the hype for them because they are not really talented compared to other groups nor are they releasing better music. Like why were BT$ chosen? What did they do special to break out in the western market? When this thread started we used to say they will fizzle out in a few years but now we are in 2023 and they are still extremely popular. I just want to see this BT$ and K-pop craze end soon because K-pop is filled with a lot of filth. Most people who listen to kpop are teenagers and I have heard countless stories of children becoming zombies for their favs during comeback season and how their obsession with kpop ruins their lives. If this K-pop craze continues it has the potential to affect an entire generation of children.

 

[arhur12]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720786282140283038

Looks like Jkay sampled Taylor Swift's song but didn't give her credits. Now, some T-swift fans are saying Jkay plagarised lollll.