So.. September 23.

[justjess]

Old friend was not directed at you vixy, the person whom it was directed at is well aware

No I'm not an atheist.

I didn't take it "personally" whatever that could even mean in this circumstance.. I find the wish for the eternal death of millions of people for ones own Salvation and end of onesown struggle disturbing.

I may be the only one who spoke up but that doesn't mean I'm the only one who feels that way.

 

[justjess]

Lol... who are u? Don't bother answering I already know.

I will not be apologizing or asking forgiveness, sorry to disappoint. If this world is so miserable to someone then they are free to leave it without wishing for everyone else to be forced death as well.

It doesn't matter if you would prefer no one go to hell the fact is your belief system requires it. There are billions of people in this world who don't believe Jesus is god who would be condemned to hell not for being evil but because they were born in a Muslim country or a Hindu country etc and believe differently from you. But yes let's pray that their eternal torment in hellfire comes quicker. And that - to you - is somehow less disturbing.

I do find it quite interesting that you - a brand new member - zeroed in on and won't let go of a comment made pages ago which had already been buried.

 

[Haich]

You told Vixy to go kill herself and now you find the death of millions to be disturbing? I'm a little confused at your contradicting statement, I don't think you can back peddle out of this one. You should be apologizing for making such a disturbing heartless suggestion in the first place, not trying to down play it and sweet talk yourself out of it. You need to apologize and ask Vixy for forgiveness, making amends is the proper thing to do.

You sound familiar.

 

[Haich]

I think it's pretty ridiculous to assume you're exempt from the wrath of God, I don't know why people think the last days will be a great ride, it won't, it's when man will finally answer for his wrong doings and we should be doing what we can to make life on earth better for as many as we can.

To look forward to judgement day is just odd, you should be praying for more time.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I think it's pretty ridiculous to assume you're exempt from the wrath of God, I don't know why people think the last days will be a great ride, it won't, it's when man will finally answer for his wrong doings and we should be doing what we can to make life on earth better for as many as we can.

To look forward to judgement day is just odd, you should be praying for more time.

I think it would be fair to say that Muslims and Christians (whilst including many of the same members of the cast) have a very different prophetic outlook!

If I was a Muslim, having read and watched what was posted up in the "Prophetic Expectations" thread, I would indeed wish for more time!!!

The fact that there are many pointers to put us "there or thereabouts" in the "Beginning of Sorrows" described in Matthew 24 won't change whether I want it to happen or if it's the last thing in the world I want to happen!

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Lol... who are u? Don't bother answering I already know.

I will not be apologizing or asking forgiveness, sorry to disappoint. If this world is so miserable to someone then they are free to leave it without wishing for everyone else to be forced death as well.

It doesn't matter if you would prefer no one go to hell the fact is your belief system requires it. There are billions of people in this world who don't believe Jesus is god who would be condemned to hell not for being evil but because they were born in a Muslim country or a Hindu country etc and believe differently from you. But yes let's pray that their eternal torment in hellfire comes quicker. And that - to you - is somehow less disturbing.

I do find it quite interesting that you - a brand new member - zeroed in on and won't let go of a comment made pages ago which had already been buried.

Dear @justjess

Picking up on some of your observations, but hopefully not attacking you, just a few points.

Firstly, Hell has no quota - it was made for "the Devil and his angels" and eternal separation was never Gods will for anyone. My "belief system" doesn't require any particular number to reject Jesus.

Perhaps even more to the point of this thread: If those who believe that those who put their trust in Jesus as their Lord and Saviour are Raptured before the Tribulation (and I know there are different views on this) - whenever that happens, there will be more people who see what has happened and may look back with regret and change their mind...

The pattern of the Feast of Atonement suggests to me and others that many Jews might reconsider Jesus's claim to be the Messiah, and I don't think they will be the only people to do so.

People are not automatically damned, but will find themselves where resistance to the regime may have the severest penalties, but be followed by eternal joy.

Revelation 7 describes such a group...

"13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.​

In addition, the "everlasting gospel" is declared during the Tribulation which suggests to me there will definitely be those who will refuse to "take the Mark" and will seek the Lord instead.

Revelation 14

6And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.​

On the off chance, long shot that things turn out to have an unexpectedly sudden change of events in the near future, it may be that these pieces of advice could turn out to be vitally important.

What to do if you are on Earth during The Great Tribulation

Part 1

And Part 2

 

[shakusky]

To look at the world and say "oh the world is evil, the sooner it ends the better. Why would you want to live there anyways?" You're belittling someone for having a different perspective and frame of mind than this.

Sure the world has plenty of darkness and evil forces, but they're there so that you can find the light. It's in the struggle that our souls learn the lessons we're here in this incarnation to learn, and better our soul in return. Otherwise we'd just be living in Eden again, without free will or the power for our essence to learn and grow.

The thought that "this world is evil, bring on the signs of the end times!" Is just a vapid place to be. How about recognizing the beauty of the world and how you can help be the light. Otherwise you're just giving up, and your soul is not growing or learning any lessons that you've been put here for.

All I said was I don't believe anything of apocalyptic importantance will happen on Sept. 23rd because there have been SO MANY times like this where some big event was said to happen of significance. And it never does. People get worked up about the numerology and prophecies and they never come to fruition. And for thinking it was false or silly to waste time thinking about, I was promptly called afraid and told I was inferior to someone who wanted the world to end.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@shakusky - you are not inferior for not wanting God to call time just yet. I don't want him to either! For my own sake I am excited for a new body, but I'm not unhappy with the one I have. I would love to see evil finally judged, but my heart goes out to those sitting on the fence may at some point get caught up in the last things. I would want to plead "more time" for so many people in my own friends and family, never mind the real people who hide behind their aliases on this forum. However I feel, here is a general diagnostic list which was given to show people when things started getting close to the end what to look out for, Sept or not ;-)

Luke 21

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

I liked this song recently that more or less told it as I see it!

 

[Haich]

I think it would be fair to say that Muslims and Christians (whilst including many of the same members of the cast) have a very different prophetic outlook!

If I was a Muslim, having read and watched what was posted up in the "Prophetic Expectations" thread, I would indeed wish for more time!!!

The fact that there are many pointers to put us "there or thereabouts" in the "Beginning of Sorrows" described in Matthew 24 won't change whether I want it to happen or if it's the last thing in the world I want to happen!

As a Christian, do you believe you'll meet God himself in the afterlife?

I'm curious because Jesus may be great but God is waiting for you as he is waiting for everyone, regardless of religion and what you believe, God will be asking you about your life and honestly, you can't really be so confident that you'll answer those questions well since no one is perfect.

That's why I'm confused as to why people would welcome the end of times. Modern day has become crazy and at times scary, imagine the end of times when we're all meeting our maker?

Plus it's important to enjoy our time and ponder at what beauty this world has to offer. These dates and predictions have been going on since the conception of God and the afterlife, it's really nothing new and sure, things have become pretty crappy in the world but I'm sure some nomad in the wilderness thought the same thing 5000 years ago.

We can all agree that earth will ultimately end but just focus on what we can do during our time here to make it better, many hands make light work.

 

[Haich]

I think this is why repentance and humility is so integral in my faith, you can't guarantee yourself anything in this life let alone the next.

Do good, be good and just try your best and if you trip up keep going, eventually you'll get there.

 

[Valerian]

I never stated it was the end of the world. I simply stated theres many connections leading to that date.

I despise when I try to warn society about something anonymously and people scream "end of the world" fear mongering, when im actually referring to a large scale event.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@Haich - I like you and I respect your question. In your words I can see you are honest in your pursuit of goodness and your desire to please God.

My only fear in meeting God will be the chances to do more I may have wasted, and the times I can't get back where I have lived for myself rather than Him.

I trust in Jesus for my righteousness and my forgiveness. Without his work and sacrifice on the Cross as the unblemished Passover lamb, I would be afraid beyond measure of the white heat of God's holiness.

I have no idea if anything will finally happen in conjunction with this "Revelation 12 alignment", occurring around the next important day on the prophetic calendar, the Feast of Trumpets.

If nothing happens, my faith in the soon return of the Lord is undiminished, as so many of the other general indications are in play. However, if anything does and I don't get to take my phone with me, please forgive my zeal in trying to share the Gospel while I could.

 

[Haich]

Connections are based on assumption, if we're honest with ourselves ultimately we just don't know what will happen and when...

No one is fear mongering, if anything you are with your claims to September 23rd.

It's Y2K all over again.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I never stated it was the end of the world. I simply stated theres many connections leading to that date.

I despise when I try to warn society about something anonymously and people scream "end of the world" fear mongering, when im actually referring to a large scale event.

I agree - it is a date to be aware of - there are mentions of it through media and entertainment as well as through prophecy and things interpreted as signs.

What, if anything, it ultimately means will become clearer after the fact ;-)

 

[shakusky]

@shakusky - you are not inferior for not wanting God to call time just yet. I don't want him to either! For my own sake I am excited for a new body, but I'm not unhappy with the one I have. I would love to see evil finally judged, but my heart goes out to those sitting on the fence may at some point get caught up in the last things. I would want to plead "more time" for so many people in my own friends and family, never mind the real people who hide behind their aliases on this forum. However I feel, here is a general diagnostic list which was given to show people when things started getting close to the end what to look out for, Sept or not ;-)

Luke 21

25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

I liked this song recently that more or less told it as I see it!

That verse has been quoted a lot lately as a sign of the end times. Truth is, that verse has been relevant for the last 20+ years. And the numbers aren't supposed to represent dates.

I'm also seeing a lot of people say September 23rd is mentioned a lot in entertainment the same way 9/11 was. Anyone care to share some of these examples?? I'm curious.

 

[mecca]

I despise when I try to warn society about something anonymously

What do you know and what are you trying to warn people of?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

That verse has been quoted a lot lately as a sign of the end times. Truth is, that verse has been relevant for the last 20+ years. And the numbers aren't supposed to represent dates.

I'm also seeing a lot of people say September 23rd is mentioned a lot in entertainment the same way 9/11 was. Anyone care to share some of these examples?? I'm curious.

I think a lot of people have noticed and put stuff up on YouTube...

The one that really pricked my ears up was "We are Young" by Fun. If you consider the Biblical narrative, and the use of mocking symbolism, this one took the biscuit for me.

Press pause what she throws the phone ;-)

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Connections are based on assumption, if we're honest with ourselves ultimately we just don't know what will happen and when...

No one is fear mongering, if anything you are with your claims to September 23rd.

It's Y2K all over again.

I agree that nothing may happen, I may leave this world in an eco-friendly coffin forty years from now, but when I do go I will leave this world with the same hope in my heart as I have now.

 

[Haich]

What do you know and what are you trying to warn people of?

Exactly some sources would help

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Exactly some sources would help

From a Biblical view, this is a recent talk showing the logical progression which led to identifying 23rd Sept 2017 as having potential significance. I'm keeping an open mind - as I have said, it doesn't change my general view anyway.

I would be interested in @Valerian s information as well...