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mileyR

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I covered this yeontan's video thingy before but today I noticed something else from an army I never thought.
He used browser not app, sure. If he used pc then
How can he type english and korean back to back from a pc? Weverse has option to change language settings although that doesn't change the typing in english. It's similar to typing on twitter from a pc. How is this possible?

I can only come to 2 conclusion. Either he doesn't have any weverse app on his phone and was typing from his phone on that day. It shows their fake love towards army by not having a simple app.....
Or there are many staffs conducting the contents on weverse, so they use pc, phone etc. That's why there is a diversion in typing.
Seeing there is a variation in their metadata of the uploaded time as I said in the past, and its recording time wasn't hidden. I can only believe many staffs are working on their account - both hyung and maknae line accounts. After all, celebrities contents need to be checked before uploading.
Yeah I don’t believe at all that it’s them half the time who upload stuff…
 

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I'm hoping the song with c0ldpl@y isnt successful cuz apparently b×s lyrics are in korean and no matter how popular CP is America will not be playing a song with korean lyrics on their top hits radio stations across the country

They used stallion but they use all their black collaborators and dont give them the attentionthat they give to white collaborators such as l@uv and ch@rl!e puhh

Their id0l remix with m!n@j didnt get much attention from them

They are racist as well as colorist and I really hope black artists stop working with them as they are also culture vultures
 

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Yeah I don’t believe at all that it’s them half the time who upload stuff…
It's not them posting its their staff

Like the pic of j!min bowing at army feet a few weeks ago,I never believed he had actually did that
Army are it up tho and were like:
"he loves us so much"

"koreans only bow that low to people they have the utmost respect for"

"he appreciates us so much"

"He bowed to us the same way $uga bowed to his parents"

It was so disgusting and I knew it was fake as soon as I saw it

Then when h0pe did his dancing vlive he stretched and it was the same position as j!mn supposed bow and army posted the pic saying h0pe was bowing to them just like j!mn

My point is that j!min was probably stretching in his pic too but staff uploaded it as him bowing down in gratitude to army
 

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I'm hoping the song with c0ldpl@y isnt successful cuz apparently b×s lyrics are in korean and no matter how popular CP is America will not be playing a song with korean lyrics on their top hits radio stations across the country

They used stallion but they use all their black collaborators and dont give them the attentionthat they give to white collaborators such as l@uv and ch@rl!e puhh

Their id0l remix with m!n@j didnt get much attention from them

They are racist as well as colorist and I really hope black artists stop working with them as they are also culture vultures
Honestly, them collaborating with black artists & not giving them their due is expected of them. But a legion of 9-13 year olds have been exposed to the vulgarity peddled by the likes of Megan Thee Stallion due to BTS. I caught my younger cousin who is a BTS MAdmy watching Thot Shit of Megan a day or so prior to the remixes’s release.

Needless to say I‘m traumatized.
 

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Jungkook acting really weird here :

What's new. No seriously he's always talking to something...I saw clip where he was talking to fish and another a frog. I think fans find this endearing so it keeps getting played up for the cameras. Kind of like rm collecting small things and caring about nature. Plus, as someone pointed out earlier bh has spies that find out what the fandom is into or talking about...and there were a lot of army edits for jk playing spiderman. So this b*ngt*n B*mb was probably feeding into that fantasy.
 

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What's new. No seriously he's always talking to something...I saw clip where he was talking to fish and another a frog. I think fans find this endearing so it keeps getting played up for the cameras. Kind of like rm collecting small things and caring about nature. Plus, as someone pointed out earlier bh has spies that find out what the fandom is into or talking about...and there were a lot of army edits for jk playing spiderman. So this b*ngt*n B*mb was probably feeding into that fantasy.
You're 100% right , i come accross an IG account (its deoeted now) of someone claiming he is a bighit staff nd he kept askin "armys" bout what they want their idols to wear, or what accessoires they should do ,what hair cut,hair color.,what music or songs they love,... nd many more questions nd also he was givin em hints bout there new comebacks too, nd he also was givin em hints bout the meaning of some of there song, all the supposed explanation were so dark(blood moon, apocalypse) nd also he asked em if they like "taekook, jikook nd many other ships" nd said ull have more of it . Also at a point some girls froma country asked if they will do a concer in there country nd he said are u crazy bts are popstars nd ur country is poor how can u think that they will come, It was so disgustin nd sick of him to say the least.
The account's name was "javand or jan balaciaga" something like that ibreally dnt remember
 
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Kpop is so weird

0ne d!rection was huge and yes I believe that they were also sexually abused but they never pretended to be their fans boyfriends nor did they act like they were totally and completely devoted to their fans

0ne d!rection openly had girlfriends and were very public with them and one even had a kid while the group was still active

If a kpop group did that it would be the end of their career in korea

Fans would protest just like they did when ch@n got married and announced he was about to be a father,they tried to get him kicked out the group







Also b+s definitely play up to what the fans want,like j!mn falling out of chairs
He has great balance so him falling out of chairs is scripted imo

Jkayy zoning out ,although I do believe that he actually does this for real sometimes but just not as much as it seems

I even saw a clip of j!mn grabbing vee's hand and vee looked like he was thinking 'here go this sh*t again' for a split second but held his hand regardless

Then once $uga got super duper close to h0pe's face and h0pe looked like he wanted to back away for a split second but didnt cuz he knew the cameras were on

So those 2 examples are when fan service isnt scripted and the recipient of said fan service wasnt prepared for it
 

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It's not them posting its their staff

Like the pic of j!min bowing at army feet a few weeks ago,I never believed he had actually did that
Army are it up tho and were like:
"he loves us so much"

"koreans only bow that low to people they have the utmost respect for"

"he appreciates us so much"

"He bowed to us the same way $uga bowed to his parents"

It was so disgusting and I knew it was fake as soon as I saw it

Then when h0pe did his dancing vlive he stretched and it was the same position as j!mn supposed bow and army posted the pic saying h0pe was bowing to them just like j!mn

My point is that j!min was probably stretching in his pic too but staff uploaded it as him bowing down in gratitude to army
The armys comments about how Koreans bow when they themselves aren't Korean disturbs me.I hope I don't come across as offensive and I think I mentioned before that I'm 2 different races/cultures so I feel I'm pretty open minded, however I noticed something with b*s content and international fans. I think b*s/bh drive iarmys to become obsessed with all things Korean and make them want to even be Korean. Lol I know it sounds crazy. But take for example that study with b*s content...now that was exclusively for Korea students taking an exam. Most of their fans at this point are not Korean so wouldn't they feel left out? Students here have the SATs that determine college entrance but nobody gives a crap nor should they. In army world everything is catered to being Korean and your own culture(s) is insignificant because b*s is not a part of it. The fandom puts Koreans and being Korean on a pedestal. Look how this tweet is worded for ex.
Like girl why would I care?! Wish those students the best but...the responses underneath the tweet are disturbing to me as well. Armys asking in detail about these exams when they should be worrying about their own. Idk. When I was in the fandom I saw a lot of armys bash their home countries, while others bragged about being Asian because b*s is. I think this is because all b*s content is still exclusively catered to Koreans. It makes me think why doesn't the group just stay in their country then. Well they wouldn't because the group is used as a propaganda tool to promote Korea globally. And now we've got millions of kids trying to learn Korean etc to feel connected to some boyband. It doesn't sit right with me.
 

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Kpop is so weird

0ne d!rection was huge and yes I believe that they were also sexually abused but they never pretended to be their fans boyfriends nor did they act like they were totally and completely devoted to their fans

0ne d!rection openly had girlfriends and were very public with them and one even had a kid while the group was still active

If a kpop group did that it would be the end of their career in korea

Fans would protest just like they did when ch@n got married and announced he was about to be a father,they tried to get him kicked out the group







Also b+s definitely play up to what the fans want,like j!mn falling out of chairs
He has great balance so him falling out of chairs is scripted imo

Jkayy zoning out ,although I do believe that he actually does this for real sometimes but just not as much as it seems

I even saw a clip of j!mn grabbing vee's hand and vee looked like he was thinking 'here go this sh*t again' for a split second but held his hand regardless

Then once $uga got super duper close to h0pe's face and h0pe looked like he wanted to back away for a split second but didnt cuz he knew the cameras were on

So those 2 examples are when fan service isnt scripted and the recipient of said fan service wasnt prepared for it
The industry definitely sets them up and where it’s cute and fun in the beginning now we are talking about people in their late 20s going on 30 and it’s not fun anymore… calling army your girlfriends I really hope they have stopped with that the whole thing with kpop is to sell this dream that you have a chance with your idol and the whole dating ban I believe is bullshit from jump that’s why people are still in denial they truly believe they are so busy and so dedicated to army and army only LMAO as for the fan service oh wow they really push it sometimes like reeeeaaaaaally push it :/
 

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The armys comments about how Koreans bow when they themselves aren't Korean disturbs me.I hope I don't come across as offensive and I think I mentioned before that I'm 2 different races/cultures so I feel I'm pretty open minded, however I noticed something with b*s content and international fans. I think b*s/bh drive iarmys to become obsessed with all things Korean and make them want to even be Korean. Lol I know it sounds crazy. But take for example that study with b*s content...now that was exclusively for Korea students taking an exam. Most of their fans at this point are not Korean so wouldn't they feel left out? Students here have the SATs that determine college entrance but nobody gives a crap nor should they. In army world everything is catered to being Korean and your own culture(s) is insignificant because b*s is not a part of it. The fandom puts Koreans and being Korean on a pedestal. Look how this tweet is worded for ex.
Like girl why would I care?! Wish those students the best but...the responses underneath the tweet are disturbing to me as well. Armys asking in detail about these exams when they should be worrying about their own. Idk. When I was in the fandom I saw a lot of armys bash their home countries, while others bragged about being Asian because b*s is. I think this is because all b*s content is still exclusively catered to Koreans. It makes me think why doesn't the group just stay in their country then. Well they wouldn't because the group is used as a propaganda tool to promote Korea globally. And now we've got millions of kids trying to learn Korean etc to feel connected to some boyband. It doesn't sit right with me.
I agree with everything you said !!
 

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You're 100% right , i come accross an IG account (its deoeted now) of someone claiming he is a bighit staff nd he kept askin "armys" bout what they want their idols to wear, or what accessoires they should do ,what hair cut,hair color.,what music or songs they love,... nd many more questions nd also he was givin em hints bout there new comebacks too, nd he also was givin em hints bout the meaning of some of there song, all the supposed explanation were so dark(blood moon, apocalypse) nd also he asked em if they like "taekook, jikook nd many other ships" nd said ull have more of it . Also at a point some girls froma country asked if they will do a concer in there country nd he said are u crazy bts are popstars nd ur country is poor how can u think that they will come, It was so disgustin nd sick of him to say the least.
The account's name was "javand or jan balaciaga" something like that ibreally dnt remember
Wow sounds like they're just dolls for armys to dress and act out how they want. I can believe that...that fandom is so dense that they'll say, "all b*s members edits are coming to life OMG we're not ready" but not realize they are being spied on. Jm looking like a fairy, done. Edits of T*e with long hair, bh has it covered.
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Jk edit with him with long hair and looking like a rocker, boom suddenly he looks like that. Actually a lot of armys were comparing him to Alex Turner of the arctic monkeys and using the band's music. I saw this band live when I was younger and when I saw jk grew his hair out I knew who he was supposed to be copying
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It's not a coincidence! Literally nothing right down to the socks they wear is really them.
 
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mileyR

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Wow sounds like they're just dolls for armys to dress and act out how they want. I can believe that...that fandom is so dense that they'll say, "all b*s members edits are coming to life OMG we're not ready" but not realize they are being spied on. Jm looking like a fairy, done. Edits of T*e with long hair, bh has it covered.
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Jk edit with him with long hair and looking like a rocker, boom suddenly he looks like that. Actually a lot of armys were comparing him to Alex Turner of the arctic monkeys and using the band's music. I saw this band live when I was younger and when I saw jk grew his hair out I knew who he was supposed to be copying
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It's not a coincidence! Literally nothing right down to the socks they wear is really them.
Lol yup even the whole study with army thing they did on YouTube was an idea that the fandom has fantasized about I don’t think it even has anything to do with the exam coming in Korea they just timed it and claimed it’s for that … I don’t know how people still believe this is them being their authentic selves anytime they do anything EVER!!
 

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Wow sounds like they're just dolls for armys to dress and act out how they want. I can believe that...that fandom is so dense that they'll say, "all b*s members edits are coming to life OMG we're not ready" but not realize they are being spied on. Jm looking like a fairy, done. Edits of T*e with long hair, bh has it covered.
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Jk edit with him with long hair and looking like a rocker, boom suddenly he looks like that. Actually a lot of armys were comparing him to Alex Turner of the arctic monkeys and using the band's music. I saw this band live when I was younger and when I saw jk grew his hair out I knew who he was supposed to be copying
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It's not a coincidence! Literally nothing right down to the socks they wear is really them.
Nothing bout em at this point is real, i heard Jk song(my time) nd the lyrics said "my life has been a movie" nd i though how accurate that was, all they have been doing was acting .
 

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What's new. No seriously he's always talking to something...I saw clip where he was talking to fish and another a frog. I think fans find this endearing so it keeps getting played up for the cameras. Kind of like rm collecting small things and caring about nature. Plus, as someone pointed out earlier bh has spies that find out what the fandom is into or talking about...and there were a lot of army edits for jk playing spiderman. So this b*ngt*n B*mb was probably feeding into that fantasy.
don't know but he acting like a child here not like a 23 years old young man
 
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Why do you guys write all these obscure theories??? i have no problem if you figure out something that is sinister....fine! But without any proof, out of nowhere you write shit theories that people just to dance, act, sing, killing people, worshipping satan, part of cult, p***phile and every other shit thing you can come up with. then gossip anything? anything they do that is suspicious? they CAN do whatever they like with their bodies and faces thats none of ur business. if they wanna be skinny they CAN, if they wanna be ill they CAN, if they wanna be puffy, get fat, get healthy or anything they CAN! thats none of ur business to make that anything special.
what would be ur reaction some people r continuously writing anything hell on the internet everyday? anything any idol does thats a greatest bad work of all time?? r u really that much good to write anything without any proof?
this is serious. why exactly you do?? do u know many people, especially many sensitive people are prone to this kind of accusations makes them paranoid??? or r u purposely paranoid?? one of my cousins is already paranoid believing illuminati shitstorm.
pls think twice before continuing dubious stuffs. the beginning of the thread says its fiction, so in the name of fiction u can write whatever the hell comes in ur mind????
remember even if no one catches u now, it doesn't mean u will always be like this, there will be time when u have to face the reality the impact u put on people's mind/ get over whatever is making u to be this much obscure and whoever is paying u to write all this. its universal truth some sane people make other people paranoid on purpose, shame on you!
playing with others mind comes out with an outcome and it makes them vulnerable. so be careful when continuously playing with others, u r fooling urself and causing trouble. and making a way for them to be more vulnerable when they figure out ur dubious shits r all lies. be careful.
don't call anything as theory when u claim u r waking up people. but yall are bipolar. shame on u!!! get a life fr the hell u r doing for few money.
and somehow i can confirm chassidy and her type of buddies are writing all this, so get over fr!! shame on all of u! get a real job for Gods sake!
 
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Why do you guys write all these obscure theories??? i have no problem if you figure out something that is sinister....fine! But without any proof, out of nowhere you write shit theories that people just to dance, act, sing, killing people, worshipping satan, part of cult, p***phile and every other shit thing you can come up with. then gossip anything? anything they do that is suspicious? they CAN do whatever they like with their bodies and faces thats none of ur business. if they wanna be skinny they CAN, if they wanna be ill they CAN, if they wanna be puffy, get fat, get healthy or anything they CAN! thats none of ur business to make that anything special.
what would be ur reaction some people r continuously writing anything hell on the internet everyday? anything any idol does thats a greatest bad work of all time?? r u really that much good to write anything without any proof?
this is serious. why exactly you do?? do u know many people, especially many sensitive people are prone to this kind of accusations makes them paranoid??? or r u purposely paranoid?? one of my cousins is already paranoid believing illuminati shitstorm.
pls think twice before continuing dubious stuffs. the beginning of the thread says its fiction, so in the name of fiction u can write whatever the hell comes in ur mind????
remember even if no one catches u now, it doesn't mean u will always be like this, there will be time when u have to face the reality the impact u put on people's mind/ get over whatever is making u to be this much obscure and whoever is paying u to write all this. its universal truth some sane people make other people paranoid on purpose, shame on you!
playing with others mind comes out with an outcome and it makes them vulnerable. so be careful when continuously playing with others, u r fooling urself and causing trouble. and making a way for them to be more vulnerable when they figure out ur dubious shits r all lies. be careful.
don't call anything as theory when u claim u r waking up people. but yall are bipolar. shame on u!!! get a life fr the hell u r doing for few money.
and somehow i can confirm chassidy and her type of buddies are writing all this, so get over fr!! shame on all of u! get a real job for Gods sake!
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Why do you guys write all these obscure theories??? i have no problem if you figure out something that is sinister....fine! But without any proof, out of nowhere you write shit theories that people just to dance, act, sing, killing people, worshipping satan, part of cult, p***phile and every other shit thing you can come up with. then gossip anything? anything they do that is suspicious? they CAN do whatever they like with their bodies and faces thats none of ur business. if they wanna be skinny they CAN, if they wanna be ill they CAN, if they wanna be puffy, get fat, get healthy or anything they CAN! thats none of ur business to make that anything special.
what would be ur reaction some people r continuously writing anything hell on the internet everyday? anything any idol does thats a greatest bad work of all time?? r u really that much good to write anything without any proof?
this is serious. why exactly you do?? do u know many people, especially many sensitive people are prone to this kind of accusations makes them paranoid??? or r u purposely paranoid?? one of my cousins is already paranoid believing illuminati shitstorm.
pls think twice before continuing dubious stuffs. the beginning of the thread says its fiction, so in the name of fiction u can write whatever the hell comes in ur mind????
remember even if no one catches u now, it doesn't mean u will always be like this, there will be time when u have to face the reality the impact u put on people's mind/ get over whatever is making u to be this much obscure and whoever is paying u to write all this. its universal truth some sane people make other people paranoid on purpose, shame on you!
playing with others mind comes out with an outcome and it makes them vulnerable. so be careful when continuously playing with others, u r fooling urself and causing trouble. and making a way for them to be more vulnerable when they figure out ur dubious shits r all lies. be careful.
don't call anything as theory when u claim u r waking up people. but yall are bipolar. shame on u!!! get a life fr the hell u r doing for few money.
and somehow i can confirm chassidy and her type of buddies are writing all this, so get over fr!! shame on all of u! get a real job for Gods sake!
Right we are the ones doing this for money! We have the liberty to discuss whatever it is that we want, albeit related to BTS , on this thread. Yes, we might not come up with earth-shattering theories backed up by concrete proof all the time or ever. But w observe their moves & try discern anything sinister in an effort to spread the message and pull many army’s out of the BTS rabbit hole that sucks the life out of them , alienates them from their family’s and friends.
Most of us have persevered through a difficult phase in our lives were we were obsessed with BTS. This obsession has irrevocably tarnished our relationships with our loved ones & our self perception. There are many who are enduring the same tumultuous phase and our discussions have helped them leave the wretched, vindictive fandom behind & start anew.

So, many have come on this forum and have shared that our ongoing discussions have relieved them of their unhealthy parasocial relationship with BTS.
That’s all the credit that we need. Its testament to the fact that we have brought about immeasurable change in the lives of many by contributing maybe 10-15 mins of our time.

GO BACK UNDER THE BRIDGE TROLL! We ain’t stopping anytime soon!
 

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Right we are the ones doing this for money! We have the liberty to discuss whatever it is that we want, albeit related to BTS , on this thread. Yes, we might not come up with earth-shattering theories backed up by concrete proof all the time or ever. But w observe their moves & try discern anything sinister in an effort to spread the message and pull many army’s out of the BTS rabbit hole that sucks the life out of them , alienates them from their family’s and friends.
Most of us have persevered through a difficult phase in our lives were we were obsessed with BTS. This obsession has irrevocably tarnished our relationships with our loved ones & our self perception. There are many who are enduring the same tumultuous phase and our discussions have helped them leave the wretched, vindictive fandom behind & start anew.

So, many have come on this forum and have shared that our ongoing discussions have relieved them of their unhealthy parasocial relationship with BTS.
That’s all the credit that we need. Its testament to the fact that we have brought about immeasurable change in the lives of many by contributing maybe 10-15 mins of our time.

GO BACK UNDER THE BRIDGE TROLL! We ain’t stopping anytime soon!
I ain't no troll but its ok. enjoy ur short live here who don't have anything better to do. i got all of ur true color when u denied literal proof ur friend denii is straight up lying on yt. today again when i wrote my post, immediate after someone posted sth, then a minute later deleted that. Enjoy ur short stay Chassidy!
If u r really that revolutionary, go try outside of this thread. cmon i wanna see..
If any lurker wants to know who is Chassidy, search up for her on search engine or in the den if u have any acc. kpop threads are infilitrated with madness and i can't believe my cousin fe for it.
I don't want to see anymore sane people to be insane like her and her buddies. be careful. and shame on u people like complete nuts make others suffer. u have to pay for this. best of luck.
Nd the obsession u say ARMYs r all obsessed, noone is that obsessed unless they themselves hv any problem. they all hv their own life nd if some teenager wants to invest a little more time on sth, tht shouldn't be ur problem. noone stays delusional forever. but the delusion and paranoia people like u create is very pathetic. yall r just obsessed with some awkward claims.
If i see a unicorn in their mv, or anywhere, does it mean they r unicorn or unicorn exists? there is nothing to proof abt it nd nothing to debunk, tht doesn't mean it exists. nd i no u r not gonna stop thts all wht u can. Enjoy!
 
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Why do you guys write all these obscure theories??? i have no problem if you figure out something that is sinister....fine! But without any proof, out of nowhere you write shit theories that people just to dance, act, sing, killing people, worshipping satan, part of cult, p***phile and every other shit thing you can come up with. then gossip anything? anything they do that is suspicious? they CAN do whatever they like with their bodies and faces thats none of ur business. if they wanna be skinny they CAN, if they wanna be ill they CAN, if they wanna be puffy, get fat, get healthy or anything they CAN! thats none of ur business to make that anything special.
what would be ur reaction some people r continuously writing anything hell on the internet everyday? anything any idol does thats a greatest bad work of all time?? r u really that much good to write anything without any proof?
this is serious. why exactly you do?? do u know many people, especially many sensitive people are prone to this kind of accusations makes them paranoid??? or r u purposely paranoid?? one of my cousins is already paranoid believing illuminati shitstorm.
pls think twice before continuing dubious stuffs. the beginning of the thread says its fiction, so in the name of fiction u can write whatever the hell comes in ur mind????
remember even if no one catches u now, it doesn't mean u will always be like this, there will be time when u have to face the reality the impact u put on people's mind/ get over whatever is making u to be this much obscure and whoever is paying u to write all this. its universal truth some sane people make other people paranoid on purpose, shame on you!
playing with others mind comes out with an outcome and it makes them vulnerable. so be careful when continuously playing with others, u r fooling urself and causing trouble. and making a way for them to be more vulnerable when they figure out ur dubious shits r all lies. be careful.
don't call anything as theory when u claim u r waking up people. but yall are bipolar. shame on u!!! get a life fr the hell u r doing for few money.
and somehow i can confirm chassidy and her type of buddies are writing all this, so get over fr!! shame on all of u! get a real job for Gods sake!
This man has a watch that is more expensive than the car he was advertising.
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They are shamelessly squeezing every penny from impressionable young people with their crap and are living it up. So shame on them! They don't need you to come to their defense trust me. Go back to stan twittr where they blindly worship these fools.
 
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