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A Freeman

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what on earth are you talking about here? Everything in healthcare is not a conspiracy. Somethings are very practical and I’m saying that there is a balance to be found in filtering this information, that you don’t demonstrate at all.

for a very basic example of what an actual situation looks like in a hospital that demonstrates how it offers a service that is superior to the nothingness approach you are preaching.

Let’s say a 70-year-old female lives at home alone. She is independent, active with her grandchildren, and still employed at the bank where she has worked for 40 years.

she comes in contact with norovirus and this causes severe vomiting and diarrhea. These symptoms are so acute that she is experiencing weakness and is having trouble rehydrating and getting up to the bathroom herself.

she comes to the hospital and is started on Iv fluids that allow her to be rehydrated without having to try to ingest fluids that she continues to throw up. This simple iv placement and infusion is a specialized skill that all nurses are equipped with. An iv placement and infusion is the primary reason people stay in the hospital. An old nurse I knew years ago said that if you don’t need an iv then you don’t need to be in the hospital and a lot of the time, an iv is running to rehydrate a patient. Not medicate them with anything.

if this women were not able to access someone with this skillset, she would continue having to try to push through this alone at home. As a result of increased weakness and having to get up to keep drinking water and go to the bathroom, she falls on her way to the bathroom and breaks her hip.

let’s give this story a good ending, and say she is still next to her cell phone and she is able to call for help. She gets to the hospital. However, because of her age, she never really recovers from the fall and this healthy lady continues to decline until she ends up passing away at the age of 76.

this is a simplified version of a real situation. So, no hospitals are not filled with medical mafia members. An iv is a significant advance in medicine by itself and it is a primary service that a hospital provides.

The main problem with advancing medicine related to economic factors. It is not whether we are treating real diseases that is the question. We are treating real conditions, but sometimes the treatments are created for economic reasons. I am well aware of that. I have said more than once that healthcare is a specialized sort of charity and funding it creates certain challenges.

however, absolutely no one stays in a hospital with the sniffles and I could say a lot about this situation since we have had a lot of patients at my facility for the last month. No one has ever stayed in the hospital because of the sniffles and hundreds have been admitted since this started. I have seen their diagnoses. I have even seen some preliminary causes of death for positive patients. I know actual experience doesn’t matter for you anyway and I’m not going to share this in detail outside of this anyway. But I know for a fact that most of the crap that is being posted is outdated and false. Most of you jumped the gun severely and were posting a lot of information prematurely. That is just a reality.

and just for kicks. Here is a link to a facility in Canada that has had covid isolated since March, which is the primary reason that I believe what you are saying demonstrates severe ignorance Because it took me 10 minutes to find it, which means that you are doing absolutely nothing to check the other side of your argument.

your lack of effort to check what you support within the echo chamber of this thread, is why the information you post can not be considered accurate. this is not a research thread because a research thread wouldnt contain information that couldbe so easily debunked. it is a spam thread basically.


I have made this as simple to understand as possible. I don’t have high hopes that you will respond in any way that demonstrates you have actually listened to what to I have said, so I don’t plan on responding. I will just go back to waiting for people like yourself to bring a tragic ending to this situation.
Let's say I work for the military. Every day I go to work with honest people, and our work we consider a charity to our country, to defend our nation. When people tell me "the Iraq war was based on a lie", I am shocked. Not everything is a conspriacy. We were on the ground there, we saw the people we helped. We helped them to be freed from a dictator, they thanked us. I analyzed the data, as well as people I know.

While all that may be true, I ignore that neo cons caused this war to happen for Israeli interests, no matter what good or bad happened at the human level, this was the driving force behind why that war existed. Same with health care, while millions of workers do honest work helping others, honest people create and manufacture vaccines, labs run tests, people help others in an honest way to deal with certain problems related to covid, behind that is certain interests which caused the situation to exist intentionally for specific purposes, which is what we are investigating here, or at least thats what I'm interested in. Certain global health bodies such as the WHO created this situation for specific ends which need investigating. Doesn't mean every healthcare worker is bad or lying.
 

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Let's say I work for the military. Every day I go to work with honest people, and our work we consider a charity to our country, to defend our nation. When people tell me "the Iraq war was based on a lie", I am shocked. Not everything is a conspriacy. We were on the ground there, we saw the people we helped. We helped them to be freed from a dictator, they thanked us. I analyzed the data, as well as people I know.

While all that may be true, I ignore that neo cons caused this war to happen for Israeli interests, no matter what good or bad happened at the human level, this was the driving force behind why that war existed. Same with health care, while millions of workers do honest work helping others, honest people create and manufacture vaccines, labs run tests, people help others in an honest way to deal with certain problems related to covid, behind that is certain interests which caused the situation to exist intentionally for specific purposes, which is what we are investigating here, or at least thats what I'm interested in. Certain global health bodies such as the WHO created this situation for specific ends which need investigating. Doesn't mean every healthcare worker is bad or lying.
right, but what you’re saying all that goes back to actually narrowing something down to find an actual red flag, which is what I already said. The point of the illustration and much of what I said is the same as saying that most of what you all are disputing, are not red flags.

the same would be true with the military. Corruption in the military is centered on a point of origin that is difficult to trace and why you will have so many honest people working in military who don’t recognize it.

the same thing can be applied here. Some of the stuff that I see people claiming as some sort of conspiracy are some of the most mundane routine aspects of healthcare. But suddenly they only exist to control people during the coronavirus and the people saying them will not give them up. More than likely, this is because the origin is difficult to pinpoint and these people want attention.

I have been wearing surgical masks for years as a way of protecting myself so that I protect other people who are more vulnerable. This is just not a red flag. It is only a red flag when you are ignorant of the actual starting point that would help you determine an actual origin for conspiracy. There is absolutely nothing that impresses me about most anything that anyone in this thread is saying. It is basically spam in reality targeting things that actually demonstrate a reality that we are not as advanced when it comes to technology as we like to believe rather than a conspiracy.

isolating a virus really just means isolating a Genetic sequence and so the objective of koch is irrelevant. He had no access to equipment required to see genetic material that cannot be seen with a microscope and so most of what he saying regarding isolating viruses is irrelevant because of this. The issue with the pcr is irrelevant too because all we really need to identify a virus is to know the Genetic sequence. Isolating a virus otherwise is more or the less a method that helps with visualization outside of this because of the challenges of visualizing something that exists at a submicroscopic level. This all just demonstrates what we are technologically capable of achieving at this point. There is not conspiracy to this.

viruses transfer person to person in all cases. Inherent viruses that have a long history might be transferred from mother to child, so that the virus is always present even if it remains dormant from other methods of person to person transmission due to the fact that a vaccine triggers a immune response to this. People may still be carriers of an old virus like measles because it could still be passed from mother to child. Biological viruses are also a somewhat uncharted area of study.

novel viruses like the coronavirus, could still use other methods of person to person transmission since people don’t have immunity to it and we actually could learn how viruses coexist biologically for the long term from studying person to person transmission through droplets and the evidence that is showing that the virus is spreading from mother to child babies after birth. You would be surprised how many pregnant women are positive right now. There is even a designated coronavirus unit in the labor department where I am.

this viral reality is probably related to something relevant to the study of evolutionary science. There could be something happening on a micro evolutionary aspect as a result of viruses that isn’t understood. However, calling this blind spot in our understanding a conspiracy, is really just a demonstration of ignorance and a power struggle.

people want a sense of power over something that could oppress them, and that would be a good thing. If they were actually investigating and ruling out the majority of things that don’t exist as a red flag.

using the military example again because it actually helps, let’s consider how many people know the actual details of a covert operation like mk ultra that was largely kept secret from the average person in the military. Think about how many people knew about this and were directly affected by this and why this number was relevant to its success?

the same applies to this situation. Most of the red flags are not going to be on the surface. So going on about masks and our absence of ability to understand viruses in greater detail is an absolute waste of time. Suspicion that would lead to deeper revelations is fine. My feelings will not be hurt if someone finds actual corruption. However, from my experience, there is nothing that I have seen so far that impresses me. Most everything that is posted is something that has been on the surface and as routine as the example that I gave for a long time.

and claiming I’m a troll for pointing this out, only makes people sound childish.
 
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Lol. You know what is a red flag at this point? The number of outbreaks there have been in meat packing plants. By far, the hardest hit industry of any essential business even in remote places like Iowa and South Dakota, but you would actually have to be someone legitimately researching this subject for red flags to see it I guess.

“Over 130,000 people are working in affected plants and 4,913 (3%) of them tested positive for COVID-19 between April 20 and 27, 2020. The CDC recorded 20 deaths among industry workers during that period. Out of all states, Pennsylvania has the highest number of plants with confirmed cases of the virus (22) followed by Georgia (14) and Nebraska (12). Even though Iowa has only reported infections at two facilities, they have the highest rate of COVID-19 in the CDC's report at 18.2% of their staff totals. South Dakota's affected meat processing plants have an infection rate of 17.3% while the third highest figure was recorded in Wisconsin at 8.8%. Data regarding Pennsylvania's infection rate wasn't included in the analysis.”


This one is just for you frank, and now you can go back to feeding this troll by posting useless crap about throwing away masks and gloves again though. That will really help start an information revolution that will protect our nation’s freedom. :rolleyes: Don’t mind me.

in all seriousness, with the stuff you post frank, I’m starting to seriously think you are a disinformation troll though, and I have little hope for the future of getting people to see covert injustices taking place because of the way posters like yourself are representing a community like this with information a child could easily refute.
 
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Frank Badfinger

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Lol. You know what is a red flag at this point? The number of outbreaks there have been in meat packing plants. By far, the hardest hit industry of any essential business even in remote places like Iowa and South Dakota, but you would actually have to be someone legitimately researching this subject for red flags to see it I guess.
This is old news that we covered on this thread back in April/May.

“Over 130,000 people are working in affected plants and 4,913 (3%) of them tested positive for COVID-19 between April 20 and 27, 2020.
and 80% had mild to no symptoms. 15% needed to see a doctor and 5% and were hospitalized and 99.% recovered according to CDC statistics at the time.

The CDC recorded 20 deaths among industry workers during that period.
Let's start here. The virus - SARS2 has never been 100% isolated/purified (under80%) and never passed Koch's postulates, just like SARS1. So we really don't know what the virus actually is. (I know this means nothing to you, as per your reply to A Freeman) Then we have the PCR test which doesn't actually test for the virus and has a 80% false positive, doesn't test for viral load or whether the virus is active or not and was never intended to be a diagnostic tool according to the inventor Kary Mullis. All that aside I will continue on.

The story was based on the report (link posted) which said CV-19 related deaths. CV-19 related?...whatever that means? Were they even tested? Were these presumed deaths due to CV-19? What age were the workers that had died? What did they actually die of? Did they have any pre-existing health conditions? Did they die of CV-19 or die with CV-19? Same old story. It's all too vague.

Plus its already been reported Bill Gates and Richard Branson's investment into lab grown meat with Cargill and Tyson.
They tell us meat plants are full of CV-19! Just like our money, right? Let's get rid of both, and while we are at it, lets create the Great Reset and NWO based on the CV-19 hoax.


Bill Gates: Test Tube Meat, Mandatory Vaccinations & Real Time Global Surveillance

The Great Reset Plan Revealed: How COVID Ushers In The New World Order
 
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Our main concern is whether the number of C-19 cases worldwide continues to climb.
As of now (July 28th 2020) the answer is "yes".
I came across this useful chart which confirms it, so until the number of cases begins to level out or drop in the future, we're all still on "red alert".
A worst case scenario would be if there'll be no levelling out, resulting in the numbers going up and up for years to come until it's "adios human race"..:)



 

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This is old news that we covered on this thread back in April/May.


and 80% had mild to no symptoms. 15% needed to see a doctor and 5% and were hospitalized and 99.% recovered according to CDC statistics at the time.


Let's start here. The virus - SARS2 has never been 100% isolated/purified (under80%) and never passed Koch's postulates, just like SARS1. So we really don't know what the virus actually is. (I know this means nothing to you, as per your reply to A Freeman) Then we have the PCR test which doesn't actually test for the virus and has a 80% false positive, doesn't test for viral load or whether the virus is active or not and was never intended to be a diagnostic tool according to the inventor Kary Mullis. All that aside I will continue on.

The story was based on the report (link posted) which said CV-19 related deaths. CV-19 related?...whatever that means? Were they even tested? Were these presumed deaths due to CV-19? What age were the workers that had died? What did they actually die of? Did they have any pre-existing health conditions? Did they die of CV-19 or die with CV-19? Same old story. It's all too vague.

Plus its already been reported Bill Gates and Richard Branson's investment into lab grown meat with Cargill and Tyson.
They tell us meat plants are full of CV-19! Just like our money, right? Let's get rid of both, and while we are at it, lets create the Great Reset and NWO based on the CV-19 hoax.


Bill Gates: Test Tube Meat, Mandatory Vaccinations & Real Time Global Surveillance

The Great Reset Plan Revealed: How COVID Ushers In The New World Order
it actually isn’t old news even though I chose an old article randomly. I’ve been continuing to see meat plant articles the last couple of weeks, but I didn’t save the one I was looking at that was the most recent. This one is about a Brazil plant from July 15.


it is a major red flag at this point. I wouldn’t jump the gun and try to assume I know what’s behind it, but it’s not old. They are still new articles about it every day.

keep spreading the crap about using a 19th century method of isolating a virus that assumes a virus is visible with a microscope when it isn’t. It is too small to be seen with a microscope. Using Koch’s method would simply provide the opportunity to see how it behaves and visualize it because it would increase its size.

All you really need to do to isolate a virus is find it’s sequence. So everything you are saying about pcr’s is absolute crap, but I’m sure that you will keep posting things like it that will continue to help the spread of this which will be the reason for requiring the vaccination at some point. Good job.

fortunately, I was out this weekend and noticed most people were wearing masks everywhere I went, so I’m hopeful that people are ignoring the paranoid and irrelevant stuff that you are sharing.

I said in the beginning, it seems like this is supposed to spread, and here we are. Technically, the studies are also coming out about the mild cases are suffering long term damage, but I’m sure you won’t listen to it because it is not from from the 19th century.


It is absurd that containment is so hard for people like you to understand. Why don’t you look up the term “droplet precaution” at some point. It is a standard way of isolating when the spread of a disease includes respiratory droplets. It has required mask and gloves for longer that I know.

there is nothing conspiratorial about applying a basic and routine procedure for controlling infection outside of a hospital setting unless you are so ignorant of how common this is that your paranoia twists this into some sort of science fiction suggestion that doesn’t have a presence in existing reality.

keep helping the spread of covid with your disinformation. At some point, you will hit a wall where your own ignorance is highlighted by something tragic that we appear to be approaching or a vaccine is eventually developed that creates absolutely no change from what is normal to expect outside of the memory of this joyous experience we had in the interim.

That is probably one of the most ignorant comments on your thread. The ones about the behavior and ingredients of the vaccine. If you don’t work in a laboratory setting, then you don’t know anything about this vaccine other than the fact that it is being made. You are completely sensationalizing something because most of you have no investigative patience.

If the vaccine ends up being some benign thing that simply raises the stock price for a pharmaceutical company, the stuff about chips and everything else, is going to be a huge reason that this whole community we have here, will be discredited for who knows how long.

knowing that bill gates did not go to school is not evidence of the chip included in a vaccine. No one has seen the chip, not you and not any of the people you seem to follow on YouTube. None of these people have access either.

inevitably, there will be an outcome to this and everything you are posting will be checked true or false and I’m willing to bet most of it will get a rating of false. I think most of what you are posting is disinformation that is intended to discredit a community like this after the fact, and I think people will be even less likely to listen to something legitimate when it is all said and done because of it.
 
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Ireland has some intelligent people. I don’t know how a great reset works if Ireland gets to zero like New Zealand, Iceland, and basically Thailand at this point. It is nice to see there are some places in the world where people can think for themselves and are intelligent enough to choose an approach like this.

people are not thinking for themselves when they are listening to memes spreading ignorance about questioning authority for not instructing them to put masks and gloves in a biohazard bag. They were really just ignorant of the actual process and thought they were learning something new so they should follow along. Not a great example of independent thinking, but keep telling yourself it is.



“There is a better alternative. The aim of Zero COVID Island is to reduce COVID incidence across the Island of Ireland to zero, so that we can safely open up as much of our society and economy as possible.

"Relaxing restrictions before we get to a Zero-COVID island risks a second wave, as seen in Israel, Serbia, Australia and Japan. Unless we take immediate and decisive action, we will pay a very heavy price, with many people getting sick, being admitted to ICU and dying. Many businesses will fold, because a second wave will bring a second dip in activity, whether from government policy, or customer fears, which will extend their losses well into 2021“


Many of the states should already be approaching zero, but here we are instead.
 

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All you really need to do to isolate a virus is find it’s sequence. So everything you are saying about pcr’s is absolute crap, but I’m sure that you will keep posting things like it that will continue to help the spread of this which will be the reason for requiring the vaccination at some point. Good job.
How can you sequence a virus that hasn't been isolated/purified?? Dr.Kaufman explains it here at 37:55.

Dr Andrew Kaufman Reports the Frankenstein Viral Genome Sequence Fraud and Talks of New Documentary
 

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That is probably one of the most ignorant comments on your thread. The ones about the behavior and ingredients of the vaccine. If you don’t work in a laboratory setting, then you don’t know anything about this vaccine other than the fact that it is being made. You are completely sensationalizing something because most of you have no investigative patience.
Interesting you make a comment without posting exactly what I said about the behavior and ingredience of the vaccine. Please refresh my memory.
knowing that bill gates did not go to school is not evidence of the chip included in a vaccine. No one has seen the chip, not you and not any of the people you seem to follow on YouTube. None of these people have access either.

inevitably, there will be an outcome to this and everything you are posting will be checked true or false and I’m willing to bet most of it will get a rating of false. I think most of what you are posting is disinformation that is intended to discredit a community like this after the fact, and I think people will be even less likely to listen to something legitimate when it is all said and done because of it.
VC wrote quite a lengthy article on this very subject. I suppose VC is also an ignorant spreader of misinformation as well?

Right, Raincan?

 

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How can you sequence a virus that hasn't been isolated/purified?? Dr.Kaufman explains it here at 37:55.

Dr Andrew Kaufman Reports the Frankenstein Viral Genome Sequence Fraud and Talks of New Documentary
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How can you sequence a virus that hasn't been isolated/purified?? Dr.Kaufman explains it here at 37:55.

Dr Andrew Kaufman Reports the Frankenstein Viral Genome Sequence Fraud and Talks of New Documentary
Koch was anticipating being able to isolate something that would be visible with a microscope. The entire list of his postulates are relevant to this expectation since this was the equipment he had available.

Koch is well known for his work with bacteria because he was able to visualize this with a microscope so he could study tuberculosis in detail, but viruses are not an area of study that is well know for.

this is because a virus is submicroscopic and so isolating it is simply a matter of finding the sequence. Koch’s postulates are irrelevant when it comes to the study of viruses.

There is even research on genes as a way of understanding covid that I was just reading. This is the right direction for the study of viruses


this guy you keep using to spam this information doesn’t have any direct access to a lab or any way to directly research this subject. He doesn’t have any kind of authority especially when he keeps promoting this false precept in order to maintain the attention he is getting from people who are otherwise ignorant when it comes to this subject.
 

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this guy you keep using to spam this information doesn’t have any direct access to a lab or any way to directly research this subject. He doesn’t have any kind of authority especially when he keeps promoting this false precept in order to maintain the attention he is getting from people who are otherwise ignorant when it comes to this subject.
Weak and pathetic answer.

The only person who is ignorant is you Raincan. Move along troll. You are done here. Keep pushing the MSM propaganda somewhere else.
 

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keep helping the spread of covid with your disinformation.
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Oh rainerann! This has to be one of the funniest statements, in a thread full of links to doctors questioning if the "virus" even exists or not. A lot of your language shows how bought into the plandemic you are. Covid1984 is a worldwide social, economic, and psychological operation. I wish you could wake up to see the reality; at least formulate some genuine questions. It's scary because people like my Mom (an RN) and her friends are much less trusting of the mainstream narrative.

There are other threads to discuss mainstream articles and theories. On this page I see you've linked to the guardian, indepenerdent, daily beast, etc. Not to speak for anyone else but I look at these as side material to gauge what the global elite plan to roll out next. I think it's sad you put this much trust in the the MSM, the pharmaceutical industry... shady authority figures trying to destroy us in general.

I could go on a point-by-point basis with information that proves that operation covid 1984 was prepared years ago, that there is no evidence of a "novel" coronavirus", that the NIH and CDC's own studies over 10 years show masks do not help stop the transmission of a virus. There was a coronavirus economic recovery bill for the US written up a year before this plandemic was set in motion! It's offensive to accuse Frank of spreading disinformation when I''ve never seen you respond to anything posted from the doctors in this thread.

There's hours of material to search through in this thread if you care about the truth. Watch the video from Dr. Kaufman and let's have an honest discussion about the facts.
 

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Interesting you make a comment without posting exactly what I said about the behavior and ingredience of the vaccine. Please refresh my memory.

VC wrote quite a lengthy article on this very subject. I suppose VC is also an ignorant spreader of misinformation as well?

Right, Raincan?

put your thinking cap on. The behavior and ingredients in the vaccine largely relate to the suggestions of a chip of some of the mechanism of control contained within the vaccine ingredients.

you literally quoted where I am directly talking about the objective of bill gates putting a chip in a vaccine. does the vc article mention a chip. It doesn’t look like it. Maybe you should try to match the content of what I am saying with something else instead of just looking for an opportunity to try to suggest that my views are not in line with the forum.

I know that you have tried to make this thread your own little clubhouse with a keep out sign and everything, but that doesn’t mean that everyone has to be so childish about their reason for being here.
 
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