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I’m a troll because I don’t think like you? Never heard that one before..lol!

Anywho..the recent spat of muslim immigrants from 2015 upwards all had jibs when they came to Europe? Or did they all automatically go on welfare?

I thought that the weapons were moved? But of course that couldn’t have happened!:rolleyes: However that’s why the sanctions were there in the first place..the UN wanted those weapons and Saddam kept putting them off and in fact even gave Saddam Chance after chance to produce said weapons..before a contingent of nations including and led by America went in and took Saddam and his evil kids out of power.

As far as I know we didn’t take their oil and guarded it for the Iraqui’s and we left it to them to control.

Where does it say that Jesus didn’t believe in having money? Is it a socialistic idea to care for orphans and widows? Which is who I believe Jesus was talking about. But again maybe you want to offer up scripture for all that you said about Him?
Most immigrants were sent back or got jobs, welfare is a lot harder to get than you think.

There were no weapons, so no they weren't moved because there was nothing to move. You and the world were lied to. America went in because bish jr wanted to finish daddy's works d to get that sweet sweet oil. It had nothing to do with freedom, or getting the bad guy, America failed the first time so they went back. Even the topling of Saddam's statue was staged by American troops.

So why did America build a giant oil pipe and guard the oil, why did bushes family and friends make so much money on the oil in Iraq.

And regarding Jesus, he's the first socialist, but you want scripture sure.

Acts 20:35
In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive

Matthew 6:19-21
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also

Hebrews 13:16
And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased

Timothy 6:17-19
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life

Matthew 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

There are many more. Maybe you could read an actual Bible just maybe
 

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And yes people in Britain can buy a gun, travel to any countryside and you will see people hunting with rifles, we just regulate them better, we see school shootings as a bad thing, it happened once and we stopped it happening again, guess what we have vertically zero gun crime too.
"regulate them"? youve been indoctrinated well, kerri.
school shootings are fake. if you dont know this by now, youre way behind.
didnt you want to ban knives in the UK?

We don't have a police state, just yesterday in Brixton the police were actually scared off by rioting party goers, does that sound like a police state?
youre deluded. both the US and the UK are police states. open your eyes.
 
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this is the first time i have heard that america has privilege. LOL.


you dont think there is a meth epidemic in the US? or an opioid epidemic in the US? theres poverty in the US as well. you just dont hear about it because its not as sexy as BLM for the MSM news.


even LGBT people are free to protest in the US and voice their opinion (even though they have the same rights everyone else does-- they always have- theyre just demanding more). try that in the middle east or in many places in africa... or latin america. see how that works out for them.


yes, there was racism in the US against blacks. now theres racism against whites. as a white person, i still think the US is a great country.


yes, everyone knows this. jesse owens was congratulated by hitler personally.



yeah... so? whats this have to do with the american people or american rights? you dont think the NWO is limited to the US government, do you?



america is no beauty in terms of its foreign policies and its infringes upon the constitutional rights of its citizens, but one could do a LOT worse. at least the US had rights to begin with.
Again comparing Erica to third world countries because America cannot compete with actual first world countries.

Yeah there's a meth epidemic, but what is America doing about it? Not much it would seem.

Just because LGBT Pepe have it worse in other nations, does not excuse the fact America has serious issues and is currently discriminating against the community, with many gay people being murdered regularly in the us.

Yeah but whites are being tortured to death by cops are they. What exactly do white people in America suffer from racially?

Hitler congratulates jesse on Camera but he was angry a black man who he thought was inferior had beat Aryan Germans. So it would seem America had a few things in common with Nazi Germany.....they still do.

"did the US government:
kill 60 million people? have gulags and concentration camps?
start a cultural revolution? ban all rights? genocide armenians?"

America has done all those things, and many post ww2.
The native American genocides, forced sterilisation of African American and native American women, America started concentration camps for Japanese Americans post the pearl harbour attack and currently people are dying in camps with no food, water, bedding, a tooth brush, sanitary products and from the flu, theybare forced to live in cages. It's a concentration camp in all but name.
The Tuskegee experiments, where black me were infected with syphilis without there knowledge, just because, there was no reason for it.
Operation sunbeam, when bodies of children were stolen from morgues and used in nuclear bomb experiments.
Agent orange, the anthrax vaccine that made thousands of us soldiers Ill.
The thousands that have died due to the toxic materials in the air post 9/11. I could list hundreds of things the us has done which is on par with the Nazi's and russians. America has just as much blood on their hands.
 
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"regulate them"? youve been indoctrinated well, kerri.
school shootings are fake. if you dont know this by now, youre way behind.
didnt you want to ban knives in the UK?


youre deluded. both the US and the UK are police states. open your eyes.
The shooting in the UK in dunblane was very real.
Also surely it would make more sense and would be easier to commit a shooting and kill people than make fake people up.

Yes regulate guns, people can still have them, plenty of people have them, I've owned rifles before, when I lived I the country, we just don't sell them in supermarkets and see them as more important than human lives and no we aren't banning knives, there has never been a call for banning knives, that's usual fox news propaganda. In fact I'm sitting a few metres from several swords as my sister is a collector of such weapons.
 

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The native American genocides
not true.

forced sterilisation of African American and native American women
true.

you know, if youre dragging all of the dirt of the past into this, why not address the hundreds of years of imperial colonization and oppression by the UK? how about your abysmal working conditions in the 1800s?

America started concentration camps for Japanese Americans post the pearl harbour attack
camps, yes. but they was no forced labor involved like in china, USSR, etc. there was no systemic extermination involved. and the US government and people acknowledge it was wrong. have you heard the chinese govt admit mao was a megalomanic dictator who killed millions and starved further millions? ::crickets::

and currently people are dying in camps with no food, water, bedding, a tooth brush, sanitary products and from the flu, theybare forced to live in cages. It's a concentration camp in all but name.
completely false. thats leftist propaganda.

The Tuskegee experiments, where black me were infected with syphilis without there knowledge, just because, there was no reason for it.
true, but whats this have to do with the fact that the US is more (or less) free than, say, the UK?

The thousands that have died due to the toxic materials in the air post 9/11.
if you pin that on the american people, maybe you ought to put a little blame on israel for that as well.

I could list hundreds of things the us has done which is on par with the Nazi's and russians. America has just as much blood on their hands.
just a bit hyperbolic, dont you think?

by the way, which country has that royal illuminati blood drinking family? oh yeah, thats YOU guys.
 

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America is a third world country masquerading as a first world country.
Lol..what?!?


Also your freedom is an allusion, I can walk across the street when ever I want and won't get arrested, I can't walk anywhere and not worry about gunshots and being killed. I have the freedom to get medical care when ever and how ever much I need it and not once will I worry about cost, bankruptcy, of the insurance company will pay up or paying for it myself. That's true freedom.
Americans often go on about how free they are but what exactly do they have that first world countries and many third world countries don't already have? Or have better?
I can walk across the street whenever I want to and won’t get arrested..lol! Haha and I’ve never been shot..we aren’t exactly the wild wild west here...now if you’re in a gang..well then you might not be able to do those things. But then I know London recently has been said to have more murders than New York..so you might want to find out if they can walk across the street without fear of being killed?

You might have to worry about being able to get into the dr before your disease overtakes you..but I don’t have to worry about that. I may have to pay for insurance but I don’t have to pay into a system and call that free..
 

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Most immigrants were sent back or got jobs, welfare is a lot harder to get than you think.

There were no weapons, so no they weren't moved because there was nothing to move. You and the world were lied to. America went in because bish jr wanted to finish daddy's works d to get that sweet sweet oil. It had nothing to do with freedom, or getting the bad guy, America failed the first time so they went back. Even the topling of Saddam's statue was staged by American troops.

So why did America build a giant oil pipe and guard the oil, why did bushes family and friends make so much money on the oil in Iraq.

And regarding Jesus, he's the first socialist, but you want scripture sure.

Acts 20:35
In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive

Matthew 6:19-21
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also

Hebrews 13:16
And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased

Timothy 6:17-19
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life

Matthew 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

There are many more. Maybe you could read an actual Bible just maybe
So all the immigrants are working? I’ve never heard of them being sent back...

So did W share that oil with all the other countries that went in to get Saddam? I don’t think you read what I said..we didn’t go there alone.

That’s the scripture that you think makes Jesus a socialist?o_O It doesn’t sound like you know what you’re talking about there.
 

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Lol..what?!?



I can walk across the street whenever I want to and won’t get arrested..lol! Haha and I’ve never been shot..we aren’t exactly the wild wild west here...now if you’re in a gang..well then you might not be able to do those things. But then I know London recently has been said to have more murders than New York..so you might want to find out if they can walk across the street without fear of being killed?

You might have to worry about being able to get into the dr before your disease overtakes you..but I don’t have to worry about that. I may have to pay for insurance but I don’t have to pay into a system and call that free..
A lot of the freedom you claim Lisa, isn’t universally available to all citizens of your great nation.
You might be able to wss ASD ok down the streets without worrying about being arrested but a lot of black people will tell you a very different story - and yes, that can very easily be the case in the UK too.
You might be able to get your medical needs seen to pretty quickly but a lot of people in your great country cannot. Your views are somewhat prejudiced by your privilege.
The NHS does not claim to be free - you might want to understand that. It is free at “the point of delivery”. I mean come on, it isn’t a charity. It means that those who might otherwise not be able access health care, can. If the more privileged don’t want to wait, they can still pay for private health care but at least the system isn’t biased in their favour.
 

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A lot of the freedom you claim Lisa, isn’t universally available to all citizens of your great nation.
You might be able to wss ASD ok down the streets without worrying about being arrested but a lot of black people will tell you a very different story - and yes, that can very easily be the case in the UK too.
You might be able to get your medical needs seen to pretty quickly but a lot of people in your great country cannot. Your views are somewhat prejudiced by your privilege.
The NHS does not claim to be free - you might want to understand that. It is free at “the point of delivery”. I mean come on, it isn’t a charity. It means that those who might otherwise not be able access health care, can. If the more privileged don’t want to wait, they can still pay for private health care but at least the system isn’t biased in their favour.
Actually, I’ve come to watch quite a lot of black YouTubers telling a way different story about not being able to walk down the street as black people. And have even seen on the street reporting that lies like white people tell each other about what they ‘think’ they know about black people is mostly ignorant.

If you mean by privileged my being able to think thoughts other than what the media tells me to think than I have an over abundance of privilege!!:p

The nhs isn’t free even in delivery of it. You’ve only prepaid your healthcare and you have to wait to access it. I wouldn’t call that good. And I wouldn’t call it good to have to shell out more money to get seen faster for something you’ve already paid for in the first place..seems more like a loser system than anything else.
 

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Are you talking about the sanctions for having weapons of mass destruction and not owning up to them? How else do you think that we should have tried to pressure Saddam to give them up?

Pressuring Saddam by causing the death of over half a million children...and you think that was a good strategy and why can America have WMDs but Saddam couldn't? People might start thinking that your anti abortion stance is fake, just something to hit your political opponents over the head with...Or maybe Iraqi childrens lives aren't worth the same as American childrens lives.


Madeline Albreit..Hillary Clinton who thought it funny we lost lives in Benghazi...there are people in power that I didn’t vote in and don’t agree with.

That's funny because you seem to be channelling Albreit quite well and none of the Iraqi children who died voted for Saddam or even knew what a Saddam was...So what's your point?



You mention Iraq with Saddam who’s own sons were terrorizing their own...who were gassing the Kurds...now come on the man wasn’t a saint..lets not pretend he was.
So much dull. First no one claimed Saddam was a saint...no one! Secondly and this is important so listen up. When Saddam gassed the Kurds your country, who knew fine well what he had done, attempted to hatch a plan that would blame Iran and absolve Saddam so you don't get to spew fake indignation about the Kurds and what happened in Halabja. Can you also explain why you think only Saddam killing his people was evil but your countries wholesale destruction and death toll of Iraq was not evil?
 
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Pressuring Saddam by causing the death of over half a million children...and you think that was a good strategy and why can America have WMDs but Saddam couldn't? People might start thinking that your anti abortion stance is fake, just something to hit your political opponents over the head with...Or maybe Iraqi childrens lives aren't worth the same as American childrens lives.





That's funny because you seem to be channelling Albreit quite well and none of the Iraqi children who died voted for Saddam or even knew what a Saddam was...So what's your point?





So much dull. First no one claimed Saddam was a saint...no one! Secondly and this is important so listen up. When Saddam gassed the Kurds your country, who knew fine well what he had done, attempted to hatch a plan that would blame Iran and absolve Saddam so you don't get to spew fake indignation about the Kurds and what happened in Halabja. Can you also explain why you think only Saddam killing his people was evil but your countries wholesale destruction and death toll of Iraq was not evil?
Not gonna sugar coat it. The US is there for middle east resources.
The more conflict they can create amongst civilians, makes it that much easier to go in and do what they gotta do.

Sucks to understand that. But murica
 

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Actually, I’ve come to watch quite a lot of black YouTubers telling a way different story about not being able to walk down the street as black people. And have even seen on the street reporting that lies like white people tell each other about what they ‘think’ they know about black people is mostly ignorant.

If you mean by privileged my being able to think thoughts other than what the media tells me to think than I have an over abundance of privilege!!:p

The nhs isn’t free even in delivery of it. You’ve only prepaid your healthcare and you have to wait to access it. I wouldn’t call that good. And I wouldn’t call it good to have to shell out more money to get seen faster for something you’ve already paid for in the first place..seems more like a loser system than anything else.
The NHS isn’t free even in delivery of it?:D
I think you maybe don’t understand the idea of free at the point of delivery. Yes, we pay taxes which contribute health care costs. Presumably you pay taxes in the US as well? However in the U.K., those in lower income brackets and those who for whatever reason cannot work, are still entitled to free healthcare - even if they have never paid taxes in their lives. Everyone has equal access to healthcare on the NHS.
Yes, there are waiting lists and yes sometimes those are long. However, care is prioritised - triaged - so that those who need seen first, can be. This means that a wealthy person can’t pay to access care over a non-wealthy person. We are all equally disadvantaged in the NHS.
Let me tell you this though, 18 months ago, I needed emergency NHS treatment. The 14 days for a bed in regional ICU alone probably cost £30000! Then there was another 2 weeks in the neurosurgical ward. There were at least 8 consultants involved in my care - anaesthetist, neurosurgeon, vascular surgeon, neuroradiologist, trauma consultant, respiratory medicine, cardiology, neuro-rehab consultant - and all their teams. On top of that cost was endovascular brain surgery, numerous head MRIs and CTs, respiratory and cardiology investigations. Then add on nursing care, physio, occupational therapy, speech therapy, neuropsychology, drug treatments.a that was free at the point of delivery and what’s more, I got it all as soon as I needed it! Even better, if I had never worked a day in my life, it would still have been free at the point of delivery!
 

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The NHS isn’t free even in delivery of it?:D
I think you maybe don’t understand the idea of free at the point of delivery. Yes, we pay taxes which contribute health care costs. Presumably you pay taxes in the US as well? However in the U.K., those in lower income brackets and those who for whatever reason cannot work, are still entitled to free healthcare - even if they have never paid taxes in their lives. Everyone has equal access to healthcare on the NHS.
Yes, there are waiting lists and yes sometimes those are long. However, care is prioritised - triaged - so that those who need seen first, can be. This means that a wealthy person can’t pay to access care over a non-wealthy person. We are all equally disadvantaged in the NHS.
Let me tell you this though, 18 months ago, I needed emergency NHS treatment. The 14 days for a bed in regional ICU alone probably cost £30000! Then there was another 2 weeks in the neurosurgical ward. There were at least 8 consultants involved in my care - anaesthetist, neurosurgeon, vascular surgeon, neuroradiologist, trauma consultant, respiratory medicine, cardiology, neuro-rehab consultant - and all their teams. On top of that cost was endovascular brain surgery, numerous head MRIs and CTs, respiratory and cardiology investigations. Then add on nursing care, physio, occupational therapy, speech therapy, neuropsychology, drug treatments.a that was free at the point of delivery and what’s more, I got it all as soon as I needed it! Even better, if I had never worked a day in my life, it would still have been free at the point of delivery!
I thought you said you didn’t have a welfare state? We have the same thing here...people who never have worked can still get their ’free’ healthcare..though their healthcare is not free. They may not have to pay..but all the rest of us did. And if you think about it..when they buy something and pay that sales tax..well, they’ve also contributed.

We have insurance for the big stuff..probably the same difference except we pay all our lives and get to choose our doctors..at least on my plan...and they pay for the big stuff. We get seen asap..no real waiting around either...unless your specialized dr is booked but they generally get you in asap and triage happens everywhere. They squeeze in the important cases faster.
 

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Pressuring Saddam by causing the death of over half a million children...and you think that was a good strategy and why can America have WMDs but Saddam couldn't? People might start thinking that your anti abortion stance is fake, just something to hit your political opponents over the head with...Or maybe Iraqi childrens lives aren't worth the same as American childrens lives.
For one thing we don’t go out using weapons of mass destruction on people..where Saddam had no worries on that part. He was also going against the UN. And it wasn’t just the US who went in to get him..there were other countries involved..and if they didn‘t like it they could have opposed it and not joined in..

That's funny because you seem to be channelling Albreit quite well and none of the Iraqi children who died voted for Saddam or even knew what a Saddam was...So what's your point?
I’m sure the parents knew who Saddam and his sons were..

Can you also explain why you think only Saddam killing his people was evil but your countries wholesale destruction and death toll of Iraq was not evil?
What death toll..they barely fought..
 

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I thought you said you didn’t have a welfare state? We have the same thing here...people who never have worked can still get their ’free’ healthcare..though their healthcare is not free. They may not have to pay..but all the rest of us did. And if you think about it..when they buy something and pay that sales tax..well, they’ve also contributed.

We have insurance for the big stuff..probably the same difference except we pay all our lives and get to choose our doctors..at least on my plan...and they pay for the big stuff. We get seen asap..no real waiting around either...unless your specialized dr is booked but they generally get you in asap and triage happens everywhere. They squeeze in the important cases faster.
Where did I say we didn’t have a welfare state? I don’t recall that.
Even if the poorest contribute a minimal amount towards their health care, at least they’re not having to pay for it twice like you do in America?
You choose your GP. If you have a particular preference for a certain specialist consultant, you can ask to be referred to him/her specifically. If you don’t like the consultant you have seen, you are entitled to a second opinion. The reason I mentioned the triage was to illustrate to you, that not everyone will have to wait the same length of time for treatment. Some waiting lists are longer than others. It depends on what is wrong. Certain conditions are fast tracked and must meet a certain deadline.
Im not saying the NHS is perfect. It’s not by any means. Most people are very grateful for it, nevertheless.
 

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Where did I say we didn’t have a welfare state? I don’t recall that.
Even if the poorest contribute a minimal amount towards their health care, at least they’re not having to pay for it twice like you do in America?
You choose your GP. If you have a particular preference for a certain specialist consultant, you can ask to be referred to him/her specifically. If you don’t like the consultant you have seen, you are entitled to a second opinion. The reason I mentioned the triage was to illustrate to you, that not everyone will have to wait the same length of time for treatment. Some waiting lists are longer than others. It depends on what is wrong. Certain conditions are fast tracked and must meet a certain deadline.
Im not saying the NHS is perfect. It’s not by any means. Most people are very grateful for it, nevertheless.
Either way you pay or someone else pays...nothing is actually free.
 

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For one thing we don’t go out using weapons of mass destruction on people..where Saddam had no worries on that part. He was also going against the UN. And it wasn’t just the US who went in to get him..there were other countries involved..and if they didn‘t like it they could have opposed it and not joined in..


I’m sure the parents knew who Saddam and his sons were..


What death toll..they barely fought..

This is a serious question Lisa and i hope you don't take offence but are you actually posting the above expecting anyone with more than 3 brain cells to take it seriously?

I’m sure the parents knew who Saddam and his sons were..

Ah i get it. The US and UK sponsored sanctions didn't kill the children it was the parents or anyone else you can think of that wasn't American or British.
For one thing we don’t go out using weapons of mass destruction on people..

The people of Iraq would beg to differ as would the Vietnamese, Japanese and most other people who aren't blinded with patriotic propaganda.

there were other countries involved..and if they didn‘t like it they could have opposed it and not joined in..

I know other countries 'joined in' i even mentioned my own country as one of the perps in the destruction of Iraq. But just for a laugh lets look at some of Georgie boys 'peace loving coalition of the willing' Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau and Solomon Islands.

Btw if you think the worst of the fighting stopped with defeat of the Iraqi army then maybe you shouldn't even comment on the subject...Ever!

Sad sad day when a Christian defends war criminals. Sad sad day.
 

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This is a serious question Lisa and i hope you don't take offence but are you actually posting the above expecting anyone with more than 3 brain cells to take it seriously?
What’s wrong with what I said?

Ah i get it. The US and UK sponsored sanctions didn't kill the children it was the parents or anyone else you can think of that wasn't American or British.
Did the parents like Saddam do you think..or his sons?

The people of Iraq would beg to differ as would the Vietnamese, Japanese and most other people who aren't blinded with patriotic propaganda.
How would the Iraq people beg to differ? Saddam used it on them too. What’s up with the Japanese? You mean when we bombed them? Were they gonna stop any other way?

I know other countries 'joined in' i even mentioned my own country as one of the perps in the destruction of Iraq. But just for a laugh lets look at some of Georgie boys 'peace loving coalition of the willing' Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau and Solomon Islands.

Btw if you think the worst of the fighting stopped with defeat of the Iraqi army then maybe you shouldn't even comment on the subject...Ever!

Sad sad day when a Christian defends war criminals. Sad sad day.
I’m just saying that we didn’t go alone..

I don’t think that their army put up much of a fight tbh..but they guards around Saddam did...still didn’t stop them from getting to Saddam or his sons.

What war criminals am I defending here?
 

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What’s wrong with what I said?
In a word...Everything.

Did the parents like Saddam do you think..or his sons?

You tell me Lisa as that was your response when i said the Children killed murdered by sanctions never voted for Saddam.

How would the Iraq people beg to differ? Saddam used it on them too
I've already mentioned the stillborn and deformed children Lisa but you choose to ignore that and because Saddam murdered the Kurds doesn't mean its ok for America and the 'peace loving coalition of the willing' to kill Iraqis and destroy an entire country. And like i told you already your country tried to protect Saddam when he killed the kurds.....Evil is Evil is Evil not to mention that both your country and mine committed a war crime by illegally invading Iraq.
 
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