USA - BASE NATION

[Stucky]

Where did we murder millions upon millions?

Take a map. Take a pin. Stick pin in map and you will be almost certain to land in a country whose inhabitants have been killed, slaughtered even, by the British or the Americans...Or maybe start with Iraq and the half a million children your country (and mine) helped to murder through sanctions and of which that odious woman madeleine albright claimed those deaths of half a million children were, in her own words, "worth it" or the many, many children in Vietnam and Iraq who were stillborn or born with the most horrific deformities because of your countries fascination with using weapons of mass destruction. I mention these children because i know you're staunchly anti abortion...so lets hear your cry for justice for all those children mentioned above!

Let me try and point out some other things to you.

America IS NOT the only country which affords people opportunity. Almost all of Western and Southern Europe affords people the same opportunities. As for immigrants, where i live in the UK (Scotland) we have many, many, many immigrants from China, Italy, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh who have come here and took the opportunity to better themselves.

How the rest of the world sees America and its dumbed down population can be summed up pretty easily. Guns, Mcdonalds, heart attacks, hollywood, mass school shootings and war...That's how the rest of the world see your country. Personally i prefer just to think of it all as 'bread and circus'

On education and health care. Iraq, under Saddam, had universal health care and education and it would be really interesting to read a comparison on literacy/illiteracy levels between Iraq and America pre 1990...i think it would make very interesting reading.

Did you know that in 1919, just before the Paris 'peace' conference, Ho Chi Minh sent a letter to Woodrow Wilson looking for support for more autonomy for his country. He then requested the following at Paris,

“(1) General amnesty for all the native people who have been condemned for political activity.
(2) ….granting to the native population the same judicial guarantees as the Europeans have, and the total suppression of the special courts which are the instruments of terrorization and oppression against the most responsible elements of the Annamite people.
(3) Freedom of press and speech.
(4) Freedom of association and assembly
(5) Freedom to emigrate and to travel abroad.
(6) Freedom of education, and creation in every province of technical and professional schools for the native population.
(7) Replacement of the regime of arbitrary decrees by a regime of law.
(8) A permanent delegation of native people elected to attend the French parliament in order to keep the latter informed of their needs.”

His requests were dismissed out of hand. Then again in the 1950s' he approached the Americans for assistance and again was dismissed but not only that the Americans instead fortified the French militarily to keep oppressing the Vietnamese people...How did that work out for America, Lisa?

Maybe while you're at it you could check the history of Chiquita bananas and how America overthrew governments and installed and supported murderous dictators just so you could have bananas in your stores at 2 cents cheaper.

There's a very long list of evil commited by your country.....but judgement day is a coming. Best pick your side wisely, Lisa.

Oh, many people believe that acts of the apostles contains the first socialist kind of society...I disagree i think of it as Communism in its purest form.

 

[Lisa]

Take a map. Take a pin. Stick pin in map and you will be almost certain to land in a country whose inhabitants have been killed, slaughtered even, by the British or the Americans...Or maybe start with Iraq and the half a million children your country (and mine) helped to murder through sanctions and of which that odious woman madeleine albright claimed those deaths of half a million children were, in her own words, "worth it" or the many, many children in Vietnam and Iraq who were stillborn or born with the most horrific deformities because of your countries fascination with using weapons of mass destruction. I mention these children because i know you're staunchly anti abortion...so lets hear your cry for justice for all those children mentioned above!

Let me try and point out some other things to you.

America IS NOT the only country which affords people opportunity. Almost all of Western and Southern Europe affords people the same opportunities. As for immigrants, where i live in the UK (Scotland) we have many, many, many immigrants from China, Italy, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh who have come here and took the opportunity to better themselves.

How the rest of the world sees America and its dumbed down population can be summed up pretty easily. Guns, Mcdonalds, heart attacks, hollywood, mass school shootings and war...That's how the rest of the world see your country. Personally i prefer just to think of it all as 'bread and circus'

On education and health care. Iraq, under Saddam, had universal health care and education and it would be really interesting to read a comparison on literacy/illiteracy levels between Iraq and America pre 1990...i think it would make very interesting reading.

Did you know that in 1919, just before the Paris 'peace' conference, Ho Chi Minh sent a letter to Woodrow Wilson looking for support for more autonomy for his country. He then requested the following at Paris,

“(1) General amnesty for all the native people who have been condemned for political activity.
(2) ….granting to the native population the same judicial guarantees as the Europeans have, and the total suppression of the special courts which are the instruments of terrorization and oppression against the most responsible elements of the Annamite people.
(3) Freedom of press and speech.
(4) Freedom of association and assembly
(5) Freedom to emigrate and to travel abroad.
(6) Freedom of education, and creation in every province of technical and professional schools for the native population.
(7) Replacement of the regime of arbitrary decrees by a regime of law.
(8) A permanent delegation of native people elected to attend the French parliament in order to keep the latter informed of their needs.”

His requests were dismissed out of hand. Then again in the 1950s' he approached the Americans for assistance and again was dismissed but not only that the Americans instead fortified the French militarily to keep oppressing the Vietnamese people...How did that work out for America, Lisa?

Maybe while you're at it you could check the history of Chiquita bananas and how America overthrew governments and installed and supported murderous dictators just so you could have bananas in your stores at 2 cents cheaper.

There's a very long list of evil commited by your country.....but judgement day is a coming. Best pick your side wisely, Lisa.

Oh, many people believe that acts of the apostles contains the first socialist kind of society...I disagree i think of it as Communism in its purest form.

Are you talking about the sanctions for having weapons of mass destruction and not owning up to them? How else do you think that we should have tried to pressure Saddam to give them up?

Madeline Albreit..Hillary Clinton who thought it funny we lost lives in Benghazi...there are people in power that I didn’t vote in and don’t agree with.

You mention Iraq with Saddam who’s own sons were terrorizing their own...who were gassing the Kurds...now come on the man wasn’t a saint..lets not pretend he was.

People come to the US for opportunities and they go to Western Europe for handouts..for your welfare system..and apparently you guys like to pay out and welcomed them with opened arms. You’ve also now got a sleeping army inside your borders of fighting aged men...do they believe in your countries or do they want someday to rule over you?

I don’t know much about ho chi minh or the Vietnamese war..except I do know about the people opposed to the war and that the fighting was horrible over there.

I don’t believe that any country is pure and without their own sins..people can blame America all they like for things..but I’m not sure that blaming us and then taking our handouts is honorable either....

I’m not sure what you mean with mentioning the apostles and communism..care to elaborate on that?

 

[kerrichinchilla]

Are you talking about the sanctions for having weapons of mass destruction and not owning up to them? How else do you think that we should have tried to pressure Saddam to give them up?

Madeline Albreit..Hillary Clinton who thought it funny we lost lives in Benghazi...there are people in power that I didn’t vote in and don’t agree with.

You mention Iraq with Saddam who’s own sons were terrorizing their own...who were gassing the Kurds...now come on the man wasn’t a saint..lets not pretend he was.

People come to the US for opportunities and they go to Western Europe for handouts..for your welfare system..and apparently you guys like to pay out and welcomed them with opened arms. You’ve also now got a sleeping army inside your borders of fighting aged men...do they believe in your countries or do they want someday to rule over you?

I don’t know much about ho chi minh or the Vietnamese war..except I do know about the people opposed to the war and that the fighting was horrible over there.

I don’t believe that any country is pure and without their own sins..people can blame America all they like for things..but I’m not sure that blaming us and then taking our handouts is honorable either....

I’m not sure what you mean with mentioning the apostles and communism..care to elaborate on that?

I seriously think you must be a troll, just reading your comments throughout this forum shows a person who either wants to troll or is deeply deeply brainwashed.

No one can just go on welfare in Europe, there are strict protocols.and regarding the weapons of mass distruction, there weren't any, this has been proven time and time again, there's even a second conspiracy linked to this, when a Britishs expert named David Kelly, he said catagorically that there were no weapons of mass distruction, ten he commits suicide by slitting his wrists the wrong way, with zero blood in the area. Seriously look it up.
Iraq was an excuse by the bush family to go over their finish what they started and to take oil, under the pretence of 9/11, seriously the terrorists were Saudi and Egyptian, so why attack Iraq over it. There's no question sadame was bad, but he had nothing to do with the war on terror, America just wanted to make money from war and oil.

Also you go on about being Christian yet Jesus was one of the first socialists, believing in having no money, and caring for the poor and hungry.

 

[polymoog]

Jeez. We have a bad rap in other countries.

the US govt has the bad rap. most foreigners understand that americans visiting their country are a separate entity than their government. however, the tourist dollars might help with that understanding.

 

[polymoog]

• people dying or going bankrupt because of the medical industry, for most European nations with socialised health care thats not freedom, freedom is being ill and just going to get help without worrying about insurance or how to pay.
• towns who cant use the water because its been contaminated
• the fact america is obsessed with war and guns, i think last time i looked America has been at war for 222 years of its 239 year history.
• kids wearing bullet proof back packs and dying in school shootings, just does not make sense to a lot of people outside the US
• how America has started most wars since 1946, either declaring war on others or using certain illegal tactics to start civil unrest/wars or wars between other nations.
• how the US government has been caught lying or doing some serious underhanded stuff, eg operation paperclip, project sunshine, tuskegee study.
• one of the biggest prison populations.
• lectures other nations, yet they have some of the worst poverty, health issues, workers rights and education in the world.
• going off the above comment, the only lists they top are bad ones.
• maternity care is one of the worst, with death rates being some of the worst in the western world.
• the paranoia Americans experience, everyone is out to get you and the news is just constant fear peddling.
• some of the worst public transport and infrastructure.
• women and gays rights are being sent backwards.
• sex education is one of the worst leading to some of the worst teen pregnancy and std statistics. some of us look at the abstinence only education with pure horror.
• education is abysmal, America has some of the worst cases of illiteracy, with schools being underfunded.
• the arrogance can make us laugh because of all the above.
• America and WW2, yeah.....
• no one is bothered about tips in Europe, you get tips if you do a good job, you dont have to rely on tips to survive because we make sure people are paid for work.
• no maternity or paternity pay.
• the christian taliban ( its getting there)
• terrible if existant at all worker rights.

althought i agree that the US government has a terrible reputation, a lot of these are poor examples. womens and gay rights are being send backwards? point that angst at the middle east.
re: WW2 and the US.... youve got a case with FDRs fumbling of negotiations with stalin, but ultimately it was the USSR and the chinese who killed millions and millions, not the US.
US education (lets say literacy and not the mind control they program to the kids) is light years ahead of many latin american countries.
towns that cannot use the water b/c its been contaminated? true, but have you seen what the chinese have done to their environment? US corporations are doing that, and many americans are opposed and fighting it.

as a matter of fact, its the americans who are the most vocal about all of these atrocities and crimes that their own government has committed.

 

[polymoog]

Yet..most people in the world wished they lived here...

true. many foreigners desire to come to the states for a good life: a stable (well, in theory) government, financial opportunity, laws (also, in theory).... the US still has great laws on freedom of speech, the press, gun rights, etc., although many of those laws have been undermined over time. the US still remains the country with the most freedoms in the world.

with that being said, the US has the most evil and psychopathic corporations in the world. these corporations (on a higher level, illuminati leaders) have dictated american policy for 150 years (or more). theyve influenced all of the government actions during wars and committed vast global atrocities (other posters have listed plenty of fine examples of killing, environmental damage, etc.). the US government IS the corporations. thats why the US is hated.

the flip side of this is that many americans, through their rights of freedom of speech and assembly, etc. are the most awake and vocal about this truth.

if you think people in other countries are jealous of our "freedoms", thats completely absurd. if they were jealous, they would simply move to the US like you admitted yourself, not become a "terrorist".

you need to come to terms, lisa, that the US government has not been this saintly gift to planet earth you think it has been. you dont need to take a knee and start washing some feet, but you do need to admit that the US has done some horrible deeds.

 

[Maes17]

the US govt has the bad rap. most foreigners understand that americans visiting their country are a separate entity than their government. however, the tourist dollars might help with that understanding.

$$$

 

[Maes17]

true. many foreigners desire to come to the states for a good life: a stable (well, in theory) government, financial opportunity, laws (also, in theory).... the US still has great laws on freedom of speech, the press, gun rights, etc., although many of those laws have been undermined over time. the US still remains the country with the most freedoms in the world.

with that being said, the US has the most evil and psychopathic corporations in the world. these corporations (on a higher level, illuminati leaders) have dictated american policy for 150 years (or more). theyve influenced all of the government actions during wars and committed vast global atrocities (other posters have listed plenty of fine examples of killing, environmental damage, etc.). the US government IS the corporations. thats why the US is hated.

the flip side of this is that many americans, through their rights of freedom of speech and assembly, etc. are the most awake and vocal about this truth.

if you think people in other countries are jealous of our "freedoms", thats completely absurd. if they were jealous, they would simply move to the US like you admitted yourself, not become a "terrorist".

you need to come to terms, lisa, that the US government has not been this saintly gift to planet earth you think it has been. you dont need to take a knee and start washing some feet, but you do need to admit that the US has done some horrible deeds.

I can admit that our country does some horrible deeds. It’s part of a capitalist society, especially for bigger corporations who need the cheap labor, etc to obtain/produce resources in mass quantities. It’s like blood diamond.


But in terms of living conditions. The US is still probably the best place to try to achieve something.

 

[Hon33]

Yet..most people in the world wished they lived here...

I have no desire to live in America, at all.

 

[Hon33]

I can admit that our country does some horrible deeds. It’s part of a capitalist society, especially for bigger corporations who need the cheap labor, etc to obtain/produce resources in mass quantities. It’s like blood diamond.


But in terms of living conditions. The US is still probably the best place to try to achieve something.

I don’t live in America but from what I know about education for example, I would much rather my children be educated in the U.K.

 

[Maes17]

I don’t live in America but from what I know about education for example, I would much rather my children be educated in the U.K.

Education is hard to say. Our educational system is kinda universal. So some kids who are slow learners etc tend to lag behind.

 

[polymoog]

I don’t live in America but from what I know about education for example, I would much rather my children be educated in the U.K.

educational system is the least of concerns. you can homeschool or send your kid to a steiner school or a private school. are you free over there to speak your mind? can you buy a gun and defend yourself with it? ask @Awoken2 how he likes the police state in your country.

 

[Hon33]

educational system is the least of concerns. you can homeschool or send your kid to a steiner school or a private school. are you free over there to speak your mind? can you buy a gun and defend yourself with it? ask @Awoken2 how he likes the police state in your country.

With all due respect, Polymoog - and I do actually respect you - living in Northern Ireland, I’ve seen quite enough of the harm guns can do. Not being able to buy guns legally here, has never been an obstacle to those who want to use one. I, and many others like me, have no desire for the purchase of guns here to be any more widespread than it is.
Can I speak my mind? Generally speaking, yes I can. Nevertheless I have grown up in a community where in certain circumstances, speaking your mind, can cost you or another person their lives. The need for caution in speaking your mind over many years, has come from low-life, sectarian terrorists on both sides of the political divide, who rip the heart and soul out of theIr communities which they are destroying with organised crime and their own unique anti-social behaviour policies.

 

[Lisa]

I have no desire to live in America, at all.

I did say most people.. haha!

 

[Lisa]

true. many foreigners desire to come to the states for a good life: a stable (well, in theory) government, financial opportunity, laws (also, in theory).... the US still has great laws on freedom of speech, the press, gun rights, etc., although many of those laws have been undermined over time. the US still remains the country with the most freedoms in the world.

with that being said, the US has the most evil and psychopathic corporations in the world. these corporations (on a higher level, illuminati leaders) have dictated american policy for 150 years (or more). theyve influenced all of the government actions during wars and committed vast global atrocities (other posters have listed plenty of fine examples of killing, environmental damage, etc.). the US government IS the corporations. thats why the US is hated.

the flip side of this is that many americans, through their rights of freedom of speech and assembly, etc. are the most awake and vocal about this truth.

if you think people in other countries are jealous of our "freedoms", thats completely absurd. if they were jealous, they would simply move to the US like you admitted yourself, not become a "terrorist".

you need to come to terms, lisa, that the US government has not been this saintly gift to planet earth you think it has been. you dont need to take a knee and start washing some feet, but you do need to admit that the US has done some horrible deeds.

I don’t think that I said that the US is saintly but that we have more freedoms than people around the world which is why people want to come here. It is still the land of opportunity even as people fight to destroy that opportunity as evil.

I also don’t see how the US government is more evil than any other government on earth now or in the past. We just like to focus on the US and Israel here at the forum..but if we went and dug up all the nations horrible times...

Corporations can be good and can be bad. The good side is that they employ many people so many people make up a corporation and it has share holders who want a piece of the profit too. People want and need to make money so they do look to the corporations. That can be good and can be bad. I would also say that most countries have companies that are run by corporations and they could also be said to be evil.

I think instead of just bashing the US...people need to realize that we aren’t the only nation with evil within it..and that’s all I’m saying.

 

[Lisa]

I seriously think you must be a troll, just reading your comments throughout this forum shows a person who either wants to troll or is deeply deeply brainwashed.

No one can just go on welfare in Europe, there are strict protocols.and regarding the weapons of mass distruction, there weren't any, this has been proven time and time again, there's even a second conspiracy linked to this, when a Britishs expert named David Kelly, he said catagorically that there were no weapons of mass distruction, ten he commits suicide by slitting his wrists the wrong way, with zero blood in the area. Seriously look it up.
Iraq was an excuse by the bush family to go over their finish what they started and to take oil, under the pretence of 9/11, seriously the terrorists were Saudi and Egyptian, so why attack Iraq over it. There's no question sadame was bad, but he had nothing to do with the war on terror, America just wanted to make money from war and oil.

Also you go on about being Christian yet Jesus was one of the first socialists, believing in having no money, and caring for the poor and hungry.

I’m a troll because I don’t think like you? Never heard that one before..lol!

Anywho..the recent spat of muslim immigrants from 2015 upwards all had jibs when they came to Europe? Or did they all automatically go on welfare?

I thought that the weapons were moved? But of course that couldn’t have happened! However that’s why the sanctions were there in the first place..the UN wanted those weapons and Saddam kept putting them off and in fact even gave Saddam Chance after chance to produce said weapons..before a contingent of nations including and led by America went in and took Saddam and his evil kids out of power.

As far as I know we didn’t take their oil and guarded it for the Iraqui’s and we left it to them to control.

Where does it say that Jesus didn’t believe in having money? Is it a socialistic idea to care for orphans and widows? Which is who I believe Jesus was talking about. But again maybe you want to offer up scripture for all that you said about Him?

 

[kerrichinchilla]

althought i agree that the US government has a terrible reputation, a lot of these are poor examples. womens and gay rights are being send backwards? point that angst at the middle east.
re: WW2 and the US.... youve got a case with FDRs fumbling of negotiations with stalin, but ultimately it was the USSR and the chinese who killed millions and millions, not the US.
US education (lets say literacy and not the mind control they program to the kids) is light years ahead of many latin american countries.
towns that cannot use the water b/c its been contaminated? true, but have you seen what the chinese have done to their environment? US corporations are doing that, and many americans are opposed and fighting it.

as a matter of fact, its the americans who are the most vocal about all of these atrocities and crimes that their own government has committed.

Your targets are low you are comparing America to third world countries, which to be fair America is close to being, because there are no first world countries that are worse off than America. Your comparing America to countries that don't have the advantages America has, try comparing America to countries that dont have to contend with war, drug cartels ( many of which America fund) and famine. You can't because every country that is in the first world are light years ahead of the us.

Currently in America women are being denied medical care, politians are making abortion laws with zero understanding of biology, such as the classic in Georgia, where doctors are expected to reimplant an eptopic pregnancy, which is impossible, which proves, religion and bad education is setting America back, plus LGBT rights are being attacked right left and centre, just last week a new policy was introduced which impacts LGBT people's health and medical insurance.
I'd say America is getting pretty close to those middle Eastern countries that you guys like blowing up so much.

The us might not have commited genocide but they were dangerously close to being as bad as the people they fought. Classic examples are the racism, which not only shocked other nations, it actually enraged them.
You had black men segregated from whites, black men forced to sleep outside while they built airbases in Britain for the white GI's, you had British locals banning white GI's from their clubs and pubs due to the treatment of black soldiers. Many a white GI was beaten up by British locals and soldiers for the treatment of their own black men.
I live close to an American war cemetery on Cambridge uk, did you know there is a black man buried here who was murdered by white GI's, they got away with it because he was black.
In fact there are records of black American soldiers who said they were treated better by the Nazis in POW camps than by their own countrymen.
Then there's operation paperclip and the deal America did with Japan.
America secretly ushered Nazi scientists to the us so they could use their knowledge and experiments to their advantage, many of those experiments were done on concentration camp victims including children.
And Japan well this one is unbelievable, unit 371, Japan took Chinese, Australian, new Zealand and America Poe's and did terrible experiments on them, some included live dissections. Instead of prosecuting these scientists America did a deal, they let them free in exchange for all the data collection, they sold out their own men.
America may have been on the good side of the war, but they were anything but good guys.

Also China wasn't the issue it was Japan, the r*pe of nanjing shows that

 

[kerrichinchilla]

educational system is the least of concerns. you can homeschool or send your kid to a steiner school or a private school. are you free over there to speak your mind? can you buy a gun and defend yourself with it? ask @Awoken2 how he likes the police state in your country.

The fact British people are on here shows yes people in the UK can speak there mind, right now jk Rowling is speaking up against the trans community, we have an abundance of religions, athiest don't have to worry about hiding their lack of beliefs.

And yes people in Britain can buy a gun, travel to any countryside and you will see people hunting with rifles, we just regulate them better, we see school shootings as a bad thing, it happened once and we stopped it happening again, guess what we have vertically zero gun crime too.
In fact here's a picture of a hunting shop that sells guns that's a 10 minute walk from my house.

We don't have a police state, just yesterday in Brixton the police were actually scared off by rioting party goers, does that sound like a police state?

 

[kerrichinchilla]

I don’t think that I said that the US is saintly but that we have more freedoms than people around the world which is why people want to come here. It is still the land of opportunity even as people fight to destroy that opportunity as evil.

I also don’t see how the US government is more evil than any other government on earth now or in the past. We just like to focus on the US and Israel here at the forum..but if we went and dug up all the nations horrible times...

Corporations can be good and can be bad. The good side is that they employ many people so many people make up a corporation and it has share holders who want a piece of the profit too. People want and need to make money so they do look to the corporations. That can be good and can be bad. I would also say that most countries have companies that are run by corporations and they could also be said to be evil.

I think instead of just bashing the US...people need to realize that we aren’t the only nation with evil within it..and that’s all I’m saying.

The issue is you and many Americans think your free and the best country in the world. Your not, your not even in the top ten of many statistics, life expectancy, quality of life, health, workers rights, education, maternity care, your near the bottom on all of these with countries from the third world. America is a third world country masquerading as a first world country.

Also your freedom is an allusion, I can walk across the street when ever I want and won't get arrested, I can't walk anywhere and not worry about gunshots and being killed. I have the freedom to get medical care when ever and how ever much I need it and not once will I worry about cost, bankruptcy, of the insurance company will pay up or paying for it myself. That's true freedom.
Americans often go on about how free they are but what exactly do they have that first world countries and many third world countries don't already have? Or have better?

 

[polymoog]

Your comparing America to countries that don't have the advantages America has

this is the first time i have heard that america has privilege. LOL.

try comparing America to countries that dont have to contend with war, drug cartels ( many of which America fund) and famine.

you dont think there is a meth epidemic in the US? or an opioid epidemic in the US? theres poverty in the US as well. you just dont hear about it because its not as sexy as BLM for the MSM news.

plus LGBT rights are being attacked right left and centre, just last week a new policy was introduced which impacts LGBT people's health and medical insurance.

even LGBT people are free to protest in the US and voice their opinion (even though they have the same rights everyone else does-- they always have- theyre just demanding more). try that in the middle east or in many places in africa... or latin america. see how that works out for them.

The us might not have commited genocide but they were dangerously close to being as bad as the people they fought. Classic examples are the racism, which not only shocked other nations, it actually enraged them.

yes, there was racism in the US against blacks. now theres racism against whites. as a white person, i still think the US is a great country.

In fact there are records of black American soldiers who said they were treated better by the Nazis in POW camps than by their own countrymen.

yes, everyone knows this. jesse owens was congratulated by hitler personally.

America secretly ushered Nazi scientists to the us so they could use their knowledge and experiments to their advantage, many of those experiments were done on concentration camp victims including children.

yeah... so? whats this have to do with the american people or american rights? you dont think the NWO is limited to the US government, do you?

did the US government:
kill 60 million people? have gulags and concentration camps?
start a cultural revolution? ban all rights? genocide armenians?

america is no beauty in terms of its foreign policies and its infringes upon the constitutional rights of its citizens, but one could do a LOT worse. at least the US had rights to begin with.