George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

[irrationalNinja]

Activists Intimidated by FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force

Four people in Cookeville, Tennessee were questioned about antifa after posting about Black Lives Matter rallies on social media.

theintercept.com

FBI just got permission to search browser histories without a warrant a little while ago. I knew this would be used to try to look into the protestors.

I would be careful before thinking that trump doesn’t hire his own people to push narratives too. Everyone is all about saying there is money behind blm or antifa, but trump has some money of his own, and I don’t think he is above using it to spread some things circulating out there that work to his advantage.

personally, I still don’t see antifa involved at all. That is a major one that would serve trumps campaign agenda. Antifa is more political and was noticeable when trump won the election.

an issue like this gains support from a larger audience than something like antifa, which is going to attract a different mindset that seems to be more interested in politics overall.

There was an article about this music shop that was looted. The people who looted this place weren’t antifa. You can see that these people are probably regular people getting taken up in their agreement about corrupt police.

Family-Owned Santa Monica Music Center Looted After Closing for Months Due to Coronavirus

A family-owned Santa Monica music center is working to pick up the pieces after they were hit by looters right after being shut down for months due to COVID-19. They were looted just days after reopening. The owners of the Santa Monica Music Center are still trying to understand the destruction...

www.nbclosangeles.com

An issue like this attracts a large number of people who know the police shows favoritism, so there are different reasons something like this gets support in contrast to the protests that took place after trump was elected. Saying antifa is responsible or even a major player, is playing off of a narrative specific to a claim of opposition towards trump personally descending from the protests that took place after he was elected.

I would not be surprised if trump were paying his own people to spread a false message that this whole thing is about opposition to trump rather than anything legitimate.

it wouldn’t surprise me if trump didn’t pay some people to spread around social media that the coronavirus was also about hurting trump election chances.

if you have ever hung around people who had at one point in their life felt targeted by the police, it should be fairly easy to see why this would gain support from people who usually don’t have much interest in politics at all.

apparently, it is even inspiring people to vote in larger numbers, which is some evidence that these protests are supported by people who don’t usually have a lot of interest in politics.

honestly, a negative view towards police might be a reason that many people don’t have an interest in politics or see voting as a way to change things. All the more reason to defund the police.

Voter turnout soared in Georgia despite massive primary day problems

Democrats cast close to a million votes in the Senate primary, more than triple the number in the 2016 primary.

www.nbcnews.com

So what you’re telling me is “OrangeManBad.” Got it.

Please explain to me how looting a music store and liberating instruments donated for disadvantaged youth to learn how to play for free, is some symbol of regular people showing solidarity with BLM. Absurd.

personally, I still don’t see antifa involved at all.

There is nothing organic about the rioting and looting. It is organized by proponents of Critical Theory (communists), and carried out (and supported by) people who are dumb as fuck (i.e. Antifa/BLM/other useful idiots).

In the following video, an Antifa national organizer describes to an undercover journalist a hypothetical way of protesting Trump. The national organizer’s description aligns with the sequence of events witnessed across the US, and the world, after the death of George Floyd (Hypothetical sequence of events begins approximately @5:53)

 

[Devine]

Videos of Antifa and Other Extremist Groups At Protests

Make sure you hear the audio on this one: https://files.catbox.moe/pu1jg6.mp4 Antifa guy paying protestors

vigilantcitizenforums.com

 

[rainerann]

So what you’re telling me is “OrangeManBad.” Got it.

Please explain to me how looting a music store and liberating instruments donated for disadvantaged youth to learn how to play for free, is some symbol of regular people showing solidarity with BLM. Absurd.



There is nothing organic about the rioting and looting. It is organized by proponents of Critical Theory (communists), and carried out (and supported by) people who are dumb as fuck (i.e. Antifa/BLM/other useful idiots).

my point was that the example clearly shows that these people are regular people, by how there is nothing that shows these people represented solidarity towards a political group. Apparently, you were forming your own conclusion of what I was saying rather than paying attention to what I was saying. They don’t seem to demonstrate any sort of solidarity towards anything because there are only a very small number of people who are politically motivated like blm or antifa, who seem to be present.

you are just reiterating my point. Although, I use it to form a different conclusion than the one that is mainstream that you are promoting whether you realize it or not that assumes that looting is a behavior reflects a certain organization.

I mean seriously there is nothing organic about rioting or looting? You seriously think that in a city like Minneapolis, there wasn’t one person who looted something because other people were doing it and they just wanted a new tv?

seriously, our understanding of social demographics needs to widen a little bit. Less than 50% of the population votes to begin with. There is a whole other demographic out there that doesn’t vote for the most part, but I bet they have something in common. I bet most of these people still don’t trust the police and there is a reason that a lot of people don’t trust the police.

I mean we can basically even look at this in terms of numbers. Visually, the number of people participating in the, i dont like that trump won the election, protests is smaller than the number of people protesting now. This is because this subject is likely to motivate people that don’t have a real interest in politics usually, which was part of my point. Antifa is more politically motivated. The people showing up to these protests do not appear to be representing a group that is all that interested in politics.

they trashed the music store for probably a variety of reasons. At least one of these people did it simply because they don’t like cops and might have no interest in blm, antifa, trump, etc. they just purely dont like cops because there are a lot of people in this country that feel this way on a regular day.

to deny this and pretend that everyone involved has some sort of political direction is to deny the basic reality of social demographics in the us as a whole picture.

reading what you said one more time, I think what happened is that somewhere you concluded that I supported blm or antifa. This is more than likely because I am not leaning far enough in an direction opposing blm and you have decided to categorize this as right or left. Does the mainstream have control of your mind?

overall, I don’t support blm as an individual cause. I forget what the old arguments about them have been but this is not a discussion about whether something someone said was racist or not. We are not giving an opinion towards someone‘s opinion on social media and I know blm has been involved in discussions like this before. I still don’t think most of those situations deserved the attention they got and were mainly about people gossiping. Social media is a lot of gossip.

this is not the same thing. This is about abuse of authority. Therefore, as a mature adult, I can distinguish between these two situations and decide to consider one more seriously than the other outside of a box placing me in the right or the left because of previous discussions that have existed about race in the past.

you could say that the past discussions about race have been training people to pick a side for a long time, and you can see that most people’s opinions on the subject are inherited from these previous influences. Thinking outside of this box is the only way to really leave the matrix.



sorry I don’t fit in your box man and in case you forget, you just were repeating what I was already saying. You just missed my point because you were trying to pigeonhole me as overly supporting the left because I didn’t seem to obviously support the right.

the term I like to use to describe this anomaly is libertarian.

 

[irrationalNinja]

my point was that the example clearly shows that these people are regular people, by how there is nothing that shows these people represented solidarity towards a political group. Apparently, you were forming your own conclusion of what I was saying rather than paying attention to what I was saying. They don’t seem to demonstrate any sort of solidarity towards anything because there are only a very small number of people who are politically motivated like blm or antifa, who seem to be present.

you are just reiterating my point. Although, I use it to form a different conclusion than the one that is mainstream that you are promoting whether you realize it or not that assumes that looting is a behavior reflects a certain organization.

I mean seriously there is nothing organic about rioting or looting? You seriously think that in a city like Minneapolis, there wasn’t one person who looted something because other people were doing it and they just wanted a new tv?

seriously, our understanding of social demographics needs to widen a little bit. Less than 50% of the population votes to begin with. There is a whole other demographic out there that doesn’t vote for the most part, but I bet they have something in common. I bet most of these people still don’t trust the police and there is a reason that a lot of people don’t trust the police.

I mean we can basically even look at this in terms of numbers. Visually, the number of people participating in the, i dont like that trump won the election, protests is smaller than the number of people protesting now. This is because this subject is likely to motivate people that don’t have a real interest in politics usually, which was part of my point. Antifa is more politically motivated. The people showing up to these protests do not appear to be representing a group that is all that interested in politics.

they trashed the music store for probably a variety of reasons. At least one of these people did it simply because they don’t like cops and might have no interest in blm, antifa, trump, etc. they just purely dont like cops because there are a lot of people in this country that feel this way on a regular day.

to deny this and pretend that everyone involved has some sort of political direction is to deny the basic reality of social demographics in the us as a whole picture.

reading what you said one more time, I think what happened is that somewhere you concluded that I supported blm or antifa. This is more than likely because I am not leaning far enough in an direction opposing blm and you have decided to categorize this as right or left. Does the mainstream have control of your mind?

overall, I don’t support blm as an individual cause. I forget what the old arguments about them have been but this is not a discussion about whether something someone said was racist or not. We are not giving an opinion towards someone‘s opinion on social media and I know blm has been involved in discussions like this before. I still don’t think most of those situations deserved the attention they got and were mainly about people gossiping. Social media is a lot of gossip.

this is not the same thing. This is about abuse of authority. Therefore, as a mature adult, I can distinguish between these two situations and decide to consider one more seriously than the other outside of a box placing me in the right or the left because of previous discussions that have existed about race in the past.

you could say that the past discussions about race have been training people to pick a side for a long time, and you can see that most people’s opinions on the subject are inherited from these previous influences. Thinking outside of this box is the only way to really leave the matrix.



sorry I don’t fit in your box man and in case you forget, you just were repeating what I was already saying. You just missed my point because you were trying to pigeonhole me as overly supporting the left because I didn’t seem to obviously support the right.

the term I like to use to describe this anomaly is libertarian.

I just hope you’ll rethink, at some point, “OrangeManBad.” It may change your perspective.

 

[thursdayafternoon]

I wonder, have you changed your perspective on scamdemic, or have you decided to kill the grandmas?

you should explain why the political consequences of the protests are more important than the millions of people who will die. @rainerann As a doctor, can't you condemn these people who spread the virus?

@rainerann
you didn't answer my question.

you are a doctor. and there's a deadly virus around us. it causes permanent damage to the lungs. a HIV-like virus. you have to condemn the protesters.

or you have to admit that your intention is different.

 

[rainerann]

@rainerann
you didn't answer my question.

you are a doctor. and there's a deadly virus around us. it causes permanent damage to the lungs. a HIV-like virus. you have to condemn the protesters.

or you have to admit that your intention is different.

first off, I’m not a doctor and I must have missed this but the article that you are quoting has nothing to do with supporting the protests. In fact, nothing I said had anything to do with supporting the protests. I posted articles about things that have changed that I think are positive going forward.

I would somewhat minimally attribute these results to the protests themselves. More than likely, the changes taking place are due to the different ways that people respond to a situation like this. Some people respond by bringing up defunding police stations as a change in policy. Other people responded by protesting. How much one influences the other is questionable.

In general, protesting is not my first choice in most situations whether or not there is a coronavirus present and nothing I said favored the method of protesting, but you missed that because you assumed that my support of defunding the police meant that I was supporting the protests.

but you missed a lot of what I said about the coronavirus too. Some of our states that had low numbers should have been like New Zealand by now with close to zero cases, but they are increasing instead and this had nothing to do with these protests. No one liked the idea of containing the virus to begin with so they shouldn’t complain if the protests cause these numbers to increase too. They were not doing anything to get to zero anyway, which is what I support regarding the coronavirus.

it is what it is. I did post an article in the coronavirus thread the other day. It is not an article that has anything to do with supporting the shelter in place in case you are wondering. I posted about high dose liposomal vitamin c that you can order and take yourself without a doctors permission. I know it will be hard to wrap your mind around the reality that I support something like this because you missed the fact that I did already, but it is still a good article. I recommend it to you anyways.

 

[thursdayafternoon]

first off, I’m not a doctor and I must have missed this but the article that you are quoting has nothing to do with supporting the protests. In fact, nothing I said had anything to do with supporting the protests. I posted articles about things that have changed that I think are positive going forward.

I would somewhat minimally attribute these results to the protests themselves. More than likely, the changes taking place are due to the different ways that people respond to a situation like this. Some people respond by bringing up defunding police stations as a change in policy. Other people responded by protesting. How much one influences the other is questionable.

In general, protesting is not my first choice in most situations whether or not there is a coronavirus present and nothing I said favored the method of protesting, but you missed that because you assumed that my support of defunding the police meant that I was supporting the protests.

but you missed a lot of what I said about the coronavirus too. Some of our states that had low numbers should have been like New Zealand by now with close to zero cases, but they are increasing instead and this had nothing to do with these protests. No one liked the idea of containing the virus to begin with so they shouldn’t complain if the protests cause these numbers to increase too. They were not doing anything to get to zero anyway, which is what I support regarding the coronavirus.

it is what it is. I did post an article in the coronavirus thread the other day. It is not an article that has anything to do with supporting the shelter in place in case you are wondering. I posted about high dose liposomal vitamin c that you can order and take yourself without a doctors permission. I know it will be hard to wrap your mind around the reality that I support something like this because you missed the fact that I did already, but it is still a good article. I recommend it to you anyways.

The possible consequences of the protests excite you but you don't support the protests, ok.

 

[Artful Revealer]

apparently, it is even inspiring people to vote in larger numbers, which is some evidence that these protests are supported by people who don’t usually have a lot of interest in politics.

honestly, a negative view towards police might be a reason that many people don’t have an interest in politics or see voting as a way to change things. All the more reason to defund the police.

Voter turnout soared in Georgia despite massive primary day problems

Democrats cast close to a million votes in the Senate primary, more than triple the number in the 2016 primary.

www.nbcnews.com

Apolitical people getting inspired to vote because they have been emotionally triggered, isn't necessarily a good thing. I hope the surge of new voters are those that see through the scam.

 

[KoncreteMind]

Since practically all African slaves were enslaved by other Africans, who made money off selling them to white folks, I think it'd be more just if all Americans (black and white) demanded reparations from African countries. What do you say?

Who benefited more off the free labor? Thats who should have to pay. Theres really no argument against it when America sends so much economic aid to other countries (Israel being one) and spends/spent so much money trying to police the world why they couldnt ever in history DIRECTLY restore the people they once negative affected for decades/centuries (really). Of course thats not the plan, Im just speaking theoretically...

Also thats ignoring that your "everyone black is African" narrative which is a lie.

Thats what I thought

 

[thursdayafternoon]

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

A perfect article.

 

[Wigi]

Who benefited more off the free labor? Thats who should have to pay

We should search among the 1% wealthiest families in the world so they could pay for reparations.

 

[KoncreteMind]

We should search among the 1% wealthiest families in the world so they could pay for reparations.

Well its deeper than money. When you lose your culture, religion, land, freedom, titles you referred yourself as etc.. how does a "check" solve all that? And thats exactly a reason for the degeneracy we see. Theres something black people are missing that those in power, or the %1 as you say, wont restore back. Because if they'd restore it back, then it would literally flip the world upside down...

If I personally believed in physical means of solving spiritual problems, I'd go to the catholic church and ask them to repeal certain laws that are on the books and restore that which was taken from the people the laws were placed on. I think doing that publicly would send them for a doozy

 

[Artful Revealer]

Who benefited more off the free labor? Thats who should have to pay. Theres really no argument against it when America sends so much economic aid to other countries (Israel being one) and spends/spent so much money trying to police the world why they couldnt ever in history DIRECTLY restore the people they once negative affected for decades/centuries (really). Of course thats not the plan, Im just speaking theoretically...

Also thats ignoring that your "everyone black is African" narrative which is a lie.

The African slave traders who enslaved other Africans and sold them to white folks, also used them for free labour, among other things like forced military service or (unlike what white folks did) human sacrifice. So they used their own kin for free labour themselves and white folk BOUGHT that free labour off them. These people were commodities, and yes that's tragic. But it was the African system of slavery that turned them into commodities, not the European. So you're justifying a situation where whites who BOUGHT a commodity, but later on FREED said commodity, should give back money to the free descendants of said commodity while those who TURNED free people into commodities and SOLD them in the first place, shouldn't?

 

[Artful Revealer]

Meanwhile in New York.

 

[seekinheart]

The African slave traders who enslaved other Africans and sold them to white folks, also used them for free labour, among other things like forced military service or (unlike what white folks did) human sacrifice. So they used their own kin for free labour themselves and white folk BOUGHT that free labour off them. These people were commodities, and yes that's tragic. But it was the African system of slavery that turned them into commodities, not the European. So you're justifying a situation where whites who BOUGHT a commodity, but later on FREED said commodity, should give back money to the free descendants of said commodity while those who TURNED free people into commodities and SOLD them in the first place, shouldn't?

this guys a member of the black hebrew roots movement dont waste ur time

 

[Lisa]

Thats what I thought

What? That your reply wasn’t worth more than an eye roll?

 

[KoncreteMind]

What?

That at first it was "we werent around" but when the situation turned to the country is still around who got fat off the free labor/land they got then crickets.. Thats what I expected though...

 

[KoncreteMind]

The African slave traders who enslaved other Africans and sold them to white folks, also used them for free labour, among other things like forced military service or (unlike what white folks did) human sacrifice. So they used their own kin for free labour themselves and white folk BOUGHT that free labour off them. These people were commodities, and yes that's tragic. But it was the African system of slavery that turned them into commodities, not the European. So you're justifying a situation where whites who BOUGHT a commodity, but later on FREED said commodity, should give back money to the free descendants of said commodity while those who TURNED free people into commodities and SOLD them in the first place, shouldn't?

Everything you said is narrative. The real slave trade was Europeans (black AND white) coming to the Americas and enslaving the people here. Now that its the information age, we dont have to rely on your empire's (modern)telling of history. We can go back to what they said at the time before they had their narrative together. And what they said at that time was that there were negroes in America before they got here. So thats the slave trade. America outward. Not into America..

And essentially what you're saying is that the pedos who buy child sex slaves shouldnt be punished if they release the slave but the parents who sold the children should be punished? My question is:

 

[justjess]

I thought this made sense. Two systems of justice in this country - we are eliminating one (the one that holds the wealthy accountable) and expanding the other (the one that holds the common people accountable) and crying over calls to reform the latter while saying nothing about the elimination of the first:

Trump and his Republican enablers are all in favor of defunding the police – that is, police who are protecting Americans from corporations: from dangerous chemicals, dangerous products, unsafe workplaces, fraudulent securities, and environmental hazards. They've already defunded:

• The U.S. Chemical Safety Board, which polices major industrial accidents.

• The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which polices corporations’ compliance with civil rights laws.

• The Consumer Products Safety Commission, which polices industries to make sure their products don’t harm or kill people. The agency now acknowledges that its “funding level has been insufficient to keep pace with the evolving consumer product marketplace.”

• The Internal Revenue Service, which polices the tax system and which is responsible for making sure the wealthy and large corporations pay the taxes they owe. Thanks to this successful effort to defund the police, the agency “conducted 675,000 fewer audits in 2017 than it did in 2010, a drop in the audit rate of 42 percent,” according to ProPublica. With 30,000 fewer tax cops on the beat, a recent Treasury Department report found that 800,000 high-income households have not paid more than $45 billion in owed taxes.

• The Department of Labor, which polices employers and makes sure they aren’t stealing wages, breaking workplace safety rules, ignoring overtime laws, and/or violating workers’ union rights. Amid this particular GOP effort to defund the police, there are now fewer cops scrutinizing employers than ever before and workplace inspections have plummeted -- as workplace injuries, deaths and disasters have increased.

• The Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, which polices the accounting industry.

• The Securities and Exchange Commission’s reserve fund, which was established after the financial crisis to bolster the agency’s work policing Wall Street. The agency reports that the number of law enforcement staff “supporting our investigation and litigation efforts remained almost 9 percent lower” today than it was at the start of Trump’s term — and now white collar prosecutions have hit an historic low.

• The law enforcement agencies that police corporate mergers. This effort to defund the antitrust police has come as mergers have accelerated (and there has been some recent effort to reverse the defunding).

• The independent law enforcement agency that policed agribusiness monopolies.

• The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which polices the financial industry and works to protect consumers from fraud.

• The Environmental Protection Agency, which is responsible for policing polluters. Trump’s first budget proposed to reduce EPA “spending on civil and criminal enforcement by almost 60 percent,” and laying off 200 environmental cops, according to the New York Times. By the middle of Trump’s first year in office, the EPA had “fewer than half of the criminal special agents on the job” during the George W. Bush administration, according to one environmental advocacy group. Bloomberg News noted that Trump’s most recent budget cuts “could hamper the EPA’s efforts to link contamination at hazardous waste sites to companies and others that may be responsible for the pollution.” The result: environmental prosecutions have now hit an historic low.

 

[KoncreteMind]

this guys a member of the black hebrew roots movement dont waste ur time

Ahh of course. When its people championing people rioting and looting its 86 pages of back and forth. When someone drops the emotion and comes in with information and logic its "dont waste ur tyme"

I can dig it...