George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

[Lyfe]

The elite put forth all that would demoralize us, but what does it say when we embrace that which is put out? The evil of Hollywood is only beginning to reveal the depths of the evil already dormant within mans heart. It is only putting forth that which our heart already lusted after to begin with, but out of civility and decency we would outwardly protest that which our hearts inwardly desired for fear of ridicule of shame.

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

We become angry at those who come across as if they don't acknowledge racism, but how come nobody can acknowledge that racism is a form of hatred that ultimately comes from the human heart. Why cant we acknowledge that man is not good and that he is moreso predisposed to do evil to his neighbor than good, whether that evil be through indifference and lack of regard or a direct action. Why cant we acknowledge that the heart of man is evil?

Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

In order for racism and hatred to be properly dealt with first there needs to be a reform of the human heart.

We are selfish animals with a violent evolution and self interest tends to go first but the majority are not evil or destructive. On a person to person basis violent crime is relatively rare actually, and we never would have survived the wild and thousands of years of civilization and recorded history without co-operation. To say we are born evil as the Christians do is a sick and twisted outlook that leads to a self fulfilling prophecy. For the most part we all have the ability to modify and change our behavior and to do better. It just takes work. Most of our problems come from hierarchies and the desire to dominate that comes with it.

Mutual aid: a factor of evolution - Peter Kropotkin

Russian anarchist Peter Kropotkin's massively influential work on mutual aid and co-operation as a factor in evolution, written in 1902.

libcom.org

 

[Lyfe]

We are selfish animals with a violent evolution and self interest tends to go first but the majority are not evil or destructive. On a person to person basis violent crime is relatively rare actually, and we never wound have survived the wild and thousands of years of civilization and recorded history without co-operation. To say we are born evil as the Christians do is a sick and twisted outlook that leads to a self fulfilling prophecy. For the most part we all have the ability to modify and change our behavior and to do better. It just takes work. Most of our problems come from hierarchies and the desire to dominate that comes with it.

Mutual aid: a factor of evolution - Peter Kropotkin

Russian anarchist Peter Kropotkin's massively influential work on mutual aid and co-operation as a factor in evolution, written in 1902.

libcom.org

So if we can change and do better than how come we havent been able to yet B, thousands of years later? Will it take another thousand years? You said it yourself we are selfish animals with a violent rap sheet...

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

So if we can change and do better than how come we havent been able to yet B, thousands of years later? Will it take another thousand years? You said it yourself we are selfish animals with a violent rap sheet...

We have done better. We’ve came along way in last 500 years and the 500 years before that. It’s hard to measure progress as each new generation brings new challenges and atrocities but to deny there has been any progress at all is to be willfully ignorant and to romanticize the past.

 

[Lyfe]

We have done better. We’ve came along way in last 500 years and the 500 years before that. It’s hard to measure progress as each new generation brings new challenges and atrocities but to deny there has been any progress at all is to be willfully ignorant and to romanticize the past.

The holocaust was only 80 years ago. The Iraq war which has killed millions of innocent Iraqi's still persists. I could list example after example. Indifference toward evil is evil too, yet how many of us are indifferent toward these atrocities? I judge myself too

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

The holocaust was only 80 years ago. The Iraq war which has killed millions of innocent Iraqi's still persists. I could list example after example. Indifference toward evil is evil too, yet how many of us are indifferent toward these atrocities? I judge myself too

On a macro level yeah things still seem bad, war is horrible but there is dissent to it now that didn’t exist centuries ago. Again I said most of problems come from hierarchies of which the government, the only thing capable of waging war, is the highest example. On a micro level more people have more freedom as individuals and human agency is as high as it’s been since the beginning of recorded history. The trend line is for more freedom and agency and that is where the struggle is. Sorry I don’t buy into religious fatalism and choose to try and make the world a better place no matter what they say the odds are.

 

[Lyfe]

On a macro level yeah things still seem bad, war is horrible but there is dissent to it now that didn’t exist centuries ago. Again I said most of problems come from hierarchies or which the government, the only thing capable of waging war, is the highest example. On a micro level more people have more freedom as individuals and human agency is as high as it’s been since the beginning of recorded history. The trend line is for more freedom and agency and that is where the struggle is. Sorry I don’t buy into religious fatalism and choose to try and make the world a better place no matter what they say the odds are.

Things haven't changed Phil. Not to mention it is the people that ultimately give consent for these evil governments to reign. Look at the soviet union and all the tens of millions that were executed by the state. Its hard to comprehend a people could allow such an evil. You dont need to buy into religious fatalism. There is nothing to support that people can change or will change this world into something other than what has only trended since recorded history. After thousands of years its naive to believe we can now change for the better and that man can do that which is contrary to his nature.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1270526357957750784

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

Things haven't changed Phil. Not to mention it is the people that ultimately give consent for these evil governments to reign. Look at the soviet union and all the tens of millions that were executed by the state. Its hard to comprehend a people could allow such an evil. You dont need to buy into religious fatalism. There is nothing to support that people can change or will change this world into something other than what has only trended since recorded history. After thousands of years its naive to believe we can now change for the better and that man can do that which is contrary to his nature.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.

Slavery is abolished, communism has fallen, women aren’t property ( in most of the world ) girls aren’t married off as soon as they menstruate ( in most of the world) literacy rates are up, many diseases have been eradicated and the list goes on. Don’t tell me things haven’t improved. It’s a never ending process but overall things are better. In Syria in the one of the darkest situations in modern memory we see a true light with the autonomous zone.

The atrocities you mention by governments and the consent given was at the barrel of a gun.

These protests are people not succumbing or being indifferent to evil and you spit on it.

 

[Lyfe]

Slavery is abolished, communism has fallen, women aren’t property ( in most of the world ) girls aren’t married off as soon as they menstruate ( in most of the world) literacy rates are up, many diseases have been eradicated and the list goes on. Don’t tell me things haven’t improved. It’s a never ending process but overall things are better. In Syria in the one of the darkest situations in modern memory we see a true light with the autonomous zone.

The atrocities you mention by governments and the consent given was at the barrel of a gun.

These protests are people not succumbing or being indifferent to evil and you spit on it.

God judges the thoughts and intents of the heart. Do you think the average person would be willing to consent to every thought that went through their head within a days span to be made out in the open and manifest to everyone? Or, would they decline with reluctance out of shame? How many malicious and vengeful thoughts do you suppose run through the hearts of the forum users here toward other users? Man is his thoughts and his actions.

 

[Aero]

I'd like some data on this.

Lol what, why? I'm not going to serve up something for you to nitpick.

I'm not a data analyst, and I'm not going to write a whole book for you because you aren't going to read it anyway. Poorer areas = higher victimization rates. This isn't complicated math. Plus the publicly available data is already right in front of your face. It's called finding the averages and making comparisons.

 

[vancityeagle]

fascist propaganda of a "communist uprising funded by Soros" is complete utter garbage. Its basically just a replay of the Protocols of Zion.

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

God judges the thoughts and intents of the heart. Do you think the average person would be willing to consent to every thought that went through their head within a days span to be made out in the open and manifest to everyone? Or, would they decline with reluctance out of shame? How many malicious and vengeful thoughts do you suppose run through the hearts of the forum users here toward other users? Man is his thoughts and his actions.

I don’t believe in your God nor am I a slave to him. Regardless we all have negative thoughts but we can control them. Meditation can help you with this, yoga can, journaling can. Many practical ways to overcome them than prayer.

 

[Lyfe]

I don’t believe in your God nor am I a slave to him. Regardless we all have negative thoughts but we can control them. Meditation can help you with this, yoga can, journaling can. Many practical ways to overcome them than prayer.

I assure you that more destructive thoughts that are self centered in nature run through your heart on any given day than positive. Our essence and who and what we truly are by nature is revealed within the thoughts of our heart. What does God commonly see when he peers into the hearts of men?

...unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: (Romans 1:29-31)

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

I assure you that more destructive thoughts that are self centered in nature run through your heart on any given day than positive. Our essence and who and what we truly are by nature is revealed within the thoughts of our heart. What does God commonly see when he peers into the hearts of men?

...unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: (Romans 1:29-31)

He doesn’t see anything because he doesn’t exist.

I don’t care about Paul’s misanthropy. There was obviously something very wrong with that guy but that was a personal problem for himself and doesn’t speak for all of us.

 

[justjess]

I assure you that more destructive thoughts that are self centered in nature run through your heart on any given day than positive. Our essence and who and what we truly are by nature is revealed within the thoughts of our heart. What does God commonly see when he peers into the hearts of men?

...unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: (Romans 1:29-31)

That’s an extremely masochistic worldview and believing men to be evil at heart gives license for men to act like they are evil at heart, when they are not. All of this is irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

 

[Lyfe]

He doesn’t see anything because he doesn’t exist.

I don’t care about Paul’s misanthropy. There was obviously something very wrong with that guy but that was a personal problem for himself and doesn’t speak for all of us.

Man is not inherently good. The proof is in the pudding of society and history.

 

[Lyfe]

That’s an extremely masochistic worldview and believing men to be evil at heart gives license for men to act like they are evil at heart, when they are not. All of this is irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

Its irrelevant sure but you guys have been debating the same thing for over 150 some pages now if we take the old minneapolis uprising thread into account.

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

Man is not inherently good. The proof is in the pudding of society and history.

Man isn’t inherently evil either. For every evil you can point to it can be countered with something beautiful. Fact is most people don’t r*pe or murder or give into the evil inclination.

 

[justjess]

Man is not inherently good. The proof is in the pudding of society and history.

You are picking and choosing what to look at. The only decent restaurant in my area has cooked and donated over 40,000 meals to local families since st patty’s day - fueled by community donations. The local sewing coop spent weeks making masks that they distributed to all residents in need for free. A little boy drowned a week or so back and the whole town pooled together to cover the families expenses and send him off properly.

When all you look for is shit, all you find is shit.