BTS discussion thread

[Hon33]

I get you, I get you, next time we'll censor the kid but we're definitely not censoring Taehyung even if he's somebody's kid and also about him being a p***phile...;.I'm not really sure about that so I won't get into it

Don't you think that maybe it's time you learnt more about BTS?

I don’t really need to learn more about them,, thanks. I’ll just read this thread because you guys appear to know everything there is to know!

 

[Hon33]

@sadtruth I do believe in the g*y agenda in the west but I don't believe kpop has much to do with it - at least not yet. It is not marketed towards the west. It takes advantage of female's love of the "flower boys" or just pretty boys to the extreme. This flower boy stereotype appeals to females in Asia and the 3rd world because it implies a certain softness/gentleness that comes with being upper class, educated, emotionally understanding and almost "princely" - a contrast to the more roughened up everyday male. Also in Asia, high maintainance look and extravagant outfits and accessories are associated with wealth and class - a pillar of the fantasy kpop idols are selling. Just look at Indian and Chinese art and performance cultures - colourful silk and gold. The west might have gone through centuries of changes but the Asian cultures haven't and they still retain much of these views. Another example is the trend with African entertainer dressing in colourful, tailored flashy suits, hair does, and jewelery to project success.

The g*y stuff "aka fanservice" enables the females to ignore the fact that these guys get with other women and therefore aren't possible boyfriends. It keeps the fantasy going without breaking the constituent idea that they could belong to these female fans. If the group members are imagined to be g*y together it means they are still capable of human emotions, caring and loving someone since they don't want to imagine them with women. In shipping (fantasaizing two members are g*y and together), one member would be feminised more and together with the basic sembelance of personalities they show - almost cartoonish at times - it becomes easy for females to draw on them qualities they want. Hence, one half of the ship/a band member becomes a vessel for a feminised male alter ego of these fan girls. Make no mistake, this part of kpop is on purpose and they know exactly what they are doing. It is not difficult for them either as it would be for a westerner because generally Asians are naturally more phsyical with their same sex friends. Most show no notion of personal space with their own people - it is another story whether you're a different Asian, white or black depending on how much they like/dislike you.

The majority of the west, general public and mainstream don't like kpop for those reason. Doesn't matter what liberal leftist think - who are in my opinion are only a portion of Millennials and GenZ. The majority aren't leftist and even if they are, they don't see kpop in a good light - it is the fandomd that is keeping the bad light at bay. The west still values a more masculine appeal wether in looks or personality. It would make more sense for them to adorn a more subdued masculine look to gain more popularity which they are trying to do while also keeping the flower boy look. Just compare their outfits in the US vs Asia. Always flashy and clourful in Asia but subdued and dark in the US - proving they want to appeal to the mass. But this is a weak, shallow strategy and they aren't consistent and so it isn't working. Beets will not become mainstream. G*y looking ladyboys is literally what everyone in the west thinks except fangirls.

At last! Someone who understands!

 

[sadtruth]

Michael Jackson certainly had a very unhappy childhood. There is no question about that.
Unfortunately though, there does seem to be a substantial body of evidence to suggest he acted inappropriately with children.
Michael Jackson clearly had many issues and appears to have been very manipulative in pursuing relationships with children.
Questions do have to be asked though about why parents ever put their children in to the care of a man they barely knew. They trusted him because he was a celebrity and they should not have.
Of course, it is difficult now to prove what he may have done and he isn’t around to defend himself. However, if he did abuse children, they deserve to be believed. It’s an important part IV their healing.

There's evidence for and against, we can never know the truth.

 

[Hon33]

I'm from North Africa and I have lived in the middle east and south east Asia. In North africa, arab countries and SEA it's normal to dott on children like that, in Africa especially. We pinch cheeks, pat heads and hold and shake their hands. If you don't show some sign of dotting, parents sometimes take offence like you don't find their children as adorable as your own.

But I know for a fact in the west they don't do this to children who aren't their own but I didn't think thatthey intreprete hand holding as pedo either!!!!!!

Yes, skin tone together with feminine look is a sign of wealth and class in Asia. Historically, lighter people are seen as marchants and scholars who stayed inside and the darker ones are considered labour and farmers who worked outside. It even exists in Africa and the middle east but I didn't want to mention it because I think westerners understand it more in terms of racism and slavery. It is still negative and wish it would go away but it is deeply ingrained in people's mindset.

In certain western cultures, people are very affectionate with children - particularly in Spain, Italy, Portugal etc.
In the UK we have become much more reserved with children that are not our own, because of the extreme political correctness we are forced to adhere to. Until I became ill, I was a volunteer for a prominent Organisation specifically for girls. I was involved with girls from aged 4 right up to 25. The rules are crazy. If a little one fell and cut her knee, we weren’t allowed to set her on our knee and comfort her. If an older girl was crying because she had fallen out with her best friend, we weren’t allowed to give her a hug and comfort her. I am the type of person who automatically reaches out to a child when they are upset.
As far as I understand it, children are considered very special in Asian culture? Wasn’t it just children's day a few days ago in SK? Any time I have seen Kpop members interact with kids, I’ve noticed how good they are with them and how much interest they have in them. It’s a culture where family and children are so important - something many western families could learn from.
We absolutely don’t see holding a child’s hand as unusual. It’s a perfectly normal thing to do - especially in the situation where that photograph was taken. The little girl was surrounded by grown ups and he was holding her hand to protect and reduce her anxiety and keep her safe. There is something wrong about seeing that differently.
Also about skin colour. As far as I know in many Asian cultures, it is viewed that the paler then skin, the higher the social class you are. Western fans despise the white washing that is sometimes done in photographs and stuff. It isn’t necessarily our culture to interfere in but we do believe that you are who you are regardless of the darkness of your skin.
It’s great to see companies like SM showing their idols in natural photos with their true skin tone more obvious.
At the SuPerM concert, Ten’s skin colour looked amazing. It looked so different than many photos of him where he is pale.

 

[Hon33]

There's evidence for and against, we can never know the truth.

No, we can’t. Not for certain.
That is the danger in people posting things here. No matter what evidence they think they have, they can never be certain of it.
it’s a dreadful thing to accuse someone of, or to be accused of, if it’s not true.
That is all I have really been trying to say all this time.

 

[Nonononsense]

I have gone back enough in this thread. The only thing I picked on was this thread turned from a Tea pitty party to Tea is so evil he is sucking our souls with his eyes lol and at some point it was much more rational and interested in semiotics before it began villainizing and demonizing the beets which confirmed my suspicion.

It is majorly made up of current or ex obsessive fans who are trying to make a larger than life narrative of evil beets guys to counter and replace the beets they idolized until they turned themselves bitter. I am maintaining my point, this is just the extreme otherside of the same obsession when it starts to veer so deep into sexuality, privacy and some baseless claims of immoral illegal behaviour.
It is also made up of people who love one member but are annoyed the other members exist so again making up some fantasy narrative that they can live with. There are also those who simply seem to be bothered by the size and dedication of the fan base which is understandable.

Anyway I am certain of this:

Higher up the compay are aware of what they incorporate into the group's image and work maybe not even the Man Bang Hit because I think BH has became controlled by people much higher in the industry/and the world around 2017. He worked for JY*P so I think they may have had common investors. 2016 was an attempt at a pledge and a chance to prove the company could take on challenges.

If this is true then I think the Beets guys are not aware of this. They are not in as much control of their work and lives as they like the world to believe. These things are usually orchestrated from really high up and they don't let the puppets in on anything. They are replaclable employees. They just control them through money and fame for now as long as they are useful - these are already powerful holds on people, especially from less priviliged backgrounds.

If they do let a bunch of adolescents and 20 something year old guys who are unstable career-wise on this, it jeopardizes the agenda. They could try to run or talk at anytime - especially when the high is over. Just think of cults and how people who are duped into them but when they come to their sense later on always talk.

Since I have been watching them I noted some things about their personalities this is why I brought up the on and of stage personas earlier. These guys are intense and not only because of anything they did or said on camera but their auras together as seven are just....intense. I have never encountered such intensity in one group. Which I think this is what draws the large fans and interest in - not the music, since everything else they do is the same with every other kpop group. I was going to elaborate on this but the thread has some negativity that I don't want to engage with.

 

[TheNightDuck]

I have gone back enough in this thread. The only thing I picked on was this thread turned from a Tea pitty party to Tea is so evil he is sucking our souls with his eyes lol and at some point it was much more rational and interested in semiotics before it began villainizing and demonizing people which confirmed my suspicion.

It is majorly made up of current or ex obsessive fans who are trying to make a larger than life narrative of evil beets guys to counter and replace the beets they idolized until they turned themselves bitter.

It is also made up of people who love one member but are annoyed the other members exist so again making up some fantasy narrative that they can live with. There are also those who simply seem to be bothered by the size and dedication of the fan base which is understandable.

I am maintaining my point, this is just the extreme otherside of the same obsession when it starts to veer so deep into sexuality, privacy and some baseless claims of immoral illegal behaviour. I know then I can't take it seriously as a thread exploring semiotics.

I am certain of this:

Higher up the compay are aware of what they incorporate into the group's image and work maybe not even the Man Bang Hit because I think BH has became controlled by people much higher in the industry/and the world around 2017. He worked for JY*P so I think they may have had common investors. 2016 was an attempt at a pledge and a chance to prove the company could take on challenges.

If this is true then I think the Beets guys are not aware of this. They are not in as much control of their work and lives as they like the world to believe. These things are usually orchestrated from really high up and they don't let the puppets in on anything. They are replaclable employees. They just control them through money and fame for now as long as they are useful - these are already powerful holds on people, especially from less priviliged backgrounds.

If they do let a bunch of adolescents and 20 something year old guys who are unstable career-wise on this, it jeopardizes the agenda. They could try to run or talk at anytime - especially when the high is over. Just think of cults and how people who are duped into them but when they come to their sense later on always talk.

Since I have been watching them I noted some things about their personalities this is why I brought up the on and of stage personas earlier. These guys are intense and not only because of anything they did or said on camera but their auras together as seven are just....intense. I have never encountered such intensity in one group. Which I think this is what draws the large fans and interest in - not the music, since everything else they do is the same with every other kpop group. I was going to elaborate on this but the thread has some negativity that I don't want to engage with.

Im actually tired of this thread myself.

Iv been sucked into some weird conversations only by my irrational drive to always respond stemming from my own hate of being ignored

This thread is actually negative and I for one can feel the energy of the posters. Even via technology you can send your energy vibration and it can be felt on the other side

Some people here are deeply in love with their obsession about BTS but hide it under some hateful facade.

Its far beyond just wanting to analyse the occult in BTS. Its borderline insanity literally picking apart their every move. Its fine to discuss things but some people are so dogmatic in what they THINK they KNOW its condescending but also at times ignorant and one sided.
Why do we all spend this much time on flipping BTS anyways and that includes the silent readers of which there are many

I think some people need to wake up and realize they are still plugged into BTS and fake superiority about fake indifference or so called disinterest about BTS is really not sincere.

Also people saying oh the thread was for this or that or it used to be like this, need to realize everything changes, every single thing, adults can accept this

Speculation on BTS is fine and all but some ppl take it to the next level and almost give off some kind of Regina George mean girls vibes like OH if ur not hating with us ur so not fetch!

This is insanity.

I honestly cant see how finding everything these people do on the internet and then scrutinizing it every single day is normal.

People can lie to themselves all they want but some can see through the bullshit.

 

[Nonononsense]

@TheNightDuck honestly this thread just opened my eyes about all the sides of obsession over Beets. I never expected this. I went through it last night and it gave me chills. I even had a bad dream over this. It unsettled me people could spend so much energy either idiolzing them like gods or spweing so much malice as if they are demons. They are just people!!!!!!!! I'm not free of guilt either. I went and made an account and started posting. My fascination and interest in beets and the communities made around them is clearly too much.

Anyway, I take back what I said about what I was CERTAIN about lol. This is what falling into the rabit hole does. I'm not certain of anything, I don't know anything but reading this thread was like a mixture of "yeah what's up with all these weird stuff" and "their company BH seem greedy and weird" and then it became a little traumatizing. I know for a fact they are trying to break into the US and they company may have to do some shady stuff for that to happen - maybe really shady...murder, I'm not so sure.

Anyway I don't believe in most conspiracy theories - I just like reading the theories and semiotics for fun. So in reality I don't actually believe there is anything purposely satanic with Beets lol

Truth is more simple than that. The signs and hidden imagery in their work and the work of many are reproduced. Meaning that they were generated at some point of time long ago and people kept reproducing them until they become so heavily incorporated into our reality. There is no question that these signs and imageries have meaning far from innocent and that meaning is also reproduced whether people consciouly interpret it or not. This is just the basis of semiotics. I have never been on a forum thread so I'm not sure how much some of you know. But basically these signs are reproduced by the mass in fashion, TV, literature, music, products - basically anything that can be consumed by people. We ourselves reproduce them uknowingly. It isn't systematic and it's more arbitrary and happens at such a large scale that the signs reccur together so much so it would lead people to suspect things they consume. Of course sometimes reading into what we consume is actually good, sometimes what we are consuming as media is purposely malevolent. I advice you not to take it seriously and actually fall into the trap of believing that when it happens it has such a larger than life explanation because this is esentially another form of distraction and could lead into more delusional or paranoid thinking when it's not needed.

Everything you suspect may be malevolent has the chance of 50/50 of actually being so. But investing so much time into this plus the demonization and dehumanization of people really won't have any positive impact on anyone or the world. beeeets are just some pop group. Outside the internet, before I started pursuing them actively to learn more, I have never come accross them. No one in my life brings them up or knows who they are except my sisters and thankfuly they are just fawning over how cute they are. I'm the one who just spent 3 hours making posts about whether they were p*** or satanic lol

 

[TheNightDuck]

@TheNightDuck honestly this thread just opened my eyes about all the sides of obsession over Beets. I never expected this. I went through it last night and it gave me chills. I even had a bad dream over this. It unsettled me people could spend so much energy either idiolzing them like gods or spweing so much malice as if they are demons. They are just people!!!!!!!! I'm not free of guilt either. I went and made an account and started posting. My fascination and interest in beets and the communities made around them is clearly too much.

Anyway, I take back what I said about what I was CERTAIN about lol. This is what falling into the rabit hole does. I'm not certain of anything, I don't know anything but reading this thread was like a mixture of "yeah what's up with all these weird stuff" and "their company BH seem greedy and weird" and then it became a little traumatizing. I know for a fact they are trying to break into the US and they company may have to do some shady stuff for that to happen - maybe really shady...murder, I'm not so sure.

Anyway I don't believe in most conspiracy theories - I just like reading the theories and semiotics for fun. So in reality I don't actually believe there is anything purposely satanic with Beets lol

Truth is more simple than that. The signs and hidden imagery in their work and the work of many are reproduced. Meaning that they were generated at some point of time long ago and people kept reproducing them until they become so heavily incorporated into our reality. There is no question that these signs and imageries have meaning far from innocent and that meaning is also reproduced whether people consciouly interpret it or not. This is just the basis of semiotics. I have never been on a forum thread so I'm not sure how much some of you know. But basically these signs are reproduced by the mass in fashion, TV, literature, music, products - basically anything that can be consumed by people. We ourselves reproduce them uknowingly. It isn't systematic and it's more arbitrary and happens at such a large scale that the signs reccur together so much so it would lead people to suspect things they consume. Of course sometimes reading into what we consume is actually good, sometimes what we are consuming as media is purposely malevolent. I advice you not to take it seriously and actually fall into the trap of believing that when it happens it has such a larger than life explanation because this is esentially another form of distraction and could lead into more delusional or paranoid thinking when it's not needed.

Everything you suspect may be malevolent has the chance of 50/50 of actually being so. But investing so much time into this plus the demonization and dehumanization of people really won't have any positive impact on anyone or the world. beeeets are just some pop group. Outside the internet, before I started pursuing them actively to learn more, I have never come accross them. No one in my life brings them up or knows who they are except my sisters and thankfuly they are just fawning over how cute they are. I'm the one who just spent 3 hours making posts about whether they were p*** or satanic lol

All I can say is I definitely believe in the Satanic agenda of the entertainment industry worldwide and I have felt the effects of BTS, and after being on this thread for a couple of months now, some as a silent reader, I realize this place is actually quite fucked up, the energy of some people here is highly disturbing it makes my skin crawl

I actually really like most of the posters here, some really lovely, some really neutral, but overall this is time wasted, and I actually feel sad for some folks here who seem to invest alot of precious life on analyzing BTS every move. Even as a super fan i didnt watch these peoples lives with such an eagle eye like a few here do.

Superiority is some times a facade for inadequacy and I for one am not on board

Think this just woke me up to the fact that all this a major waste of time, im clearly not going to fall trap to satanic shit because I have a good solid foundation

Ill leave the people to continue giving their lives to BTS but ima head out

 

[sadtruth]

I agree M_J was abused, he is circled with p*dos and he never had a healthy family life but the abused can turn into abuser. We can never be sure. he spent lots of time serving them.
I remember that in his child abuse lawsuit, the children talk about he were showing him a p*rn magazine.

I just read about his case and somethings don't make sense, so I don't think it's crazy to think he was framed. I always assumed Michael hung out with kids because his mental age is like a kid due to abuse, and if that's the case he would be sleeping in beds innocently. I'm not saying the allegations are not true, but there's two sides and nothing's been proven. It's possible they wanted to gain control over him by using his innocence against him. His kids love him and other kids who stayed with him have been on his side. But yeah, you never know, he might have been guilty.

 

[Hon33]

• more often than not victims of abuse turn into abusers themselves
• I was the one pointing earlier that MJ has been extensively abused by his father, as well as in regards to his management causing (indirectly as always) his death
• I have gathered information about him in general and lately especially in connection with David Geffen, Katzenberger, Dreamworks, Spielberg (there are forums that can be found on the internet such as https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2019/01/16/michael-jackson-david-geffen-sank-my-career/)
• I have severe doubts over the documentary (latest) since its existence was meant to be a deviation from Weinstein's documentary, created by his longstanding friends Oprah and Geffen, with Geffen having had a grudge against Michael long before he died
• I have severe doubts over his trial, the nature of it, the people behind it
• I have doubts about some testimonials but respect some of the alleged victims

I have no doubts that from the first moment I saw him surrounded by children, the look in his eyes, the ones of a grown man infatuated with minors - when we know how big of an issue p***philia has always been not just within gays, but also straight people, older men praying on younger naive girls-- that's the look of a p***phile.
In Europe there used to be laws prohibiting different types of contact between someone of legal age and a minor. Not sure about the actual status at this moment.
Pedophiles don't need to act sexually towards a child, or someone of a young age, in order to be considered pedophiles, or carry pedophiliac traits, which is basically my feeling about Jimin and Taehyung and Taehyung doesn't make it better with his fan-engaging.
There is a glance in their eyes, that certain glance I've seen it often in pedophiles. Jungkook at the Jingle has equally had his part with the young girl. He was kind, engaging with her on the stage in a friendly way. He did not had at all the look of Jimin's or Taehyung's in his eyes and I repeat - it's not the first time.
Maybe both are being encouraged and groomed to attract young children. When we are talking BigHit/Bang Si-Hyuk and the content of this thread (up until last week), we are dealing with people promoting and pushing p***philia through various signs, lobby and early on sexualization of children such as in UK and USA.

Michael's entire attitude was as if he was living for the moment to be surrounded by children and no parent should ever, EVER allow a stranger to be THAT nice with their children.

I am sorry, if anyone believes that it is appropriate for a men to walk up to children, personally engage, or hold hands with them - despite every case of p***philia starting with men kindly approaching children and then kidnapping them etc- and truly believes, that there is nothing wrong with this picture.

I am not going to minimize or normalize a grown man's weird behavior and interaction with minors or younger girls.

What do you mean laws about different types of contact?
Like every other country, there are the same laws about sexual contact between minor and adults as there are in every country. The only thing that differs is the age of consent. Here in the U.K. it is 16 but I think it is as low as 14 in some countries.
Anyone having sec with a minor can be prosecuted but it’s a bit of a grey area, for example if a 16 yr old boy had sex with a 15 year old girl or vice verse, they may not prosecute.
Schools, hospitals, voluntary organisations, churches or any where that deals with children, generally have child protection policies in place to keep both the children and employees/volunteers etc safe.
Child protection policies are very stringent but they are not all law. Some will be law and some will be guidance.

 

[fallandblues]

who is the most obsessed: the one who talk about how evil bts are and etc or the one who came in a bts discussion thread just to feel personally attacked, trying to defend guys who don't even know about their existence...
If it is all nonsense why starting arguing about it.... aiai essas armys.

...and here i thought that the ones who said something about trolls were delulu.

 

[Hon33]

I just read about his case and somethings don't make sense, so I don't think it's crazy to think he was framed. I always assumed Michael hung out with kids because his mental age is like a kid due to abuse, and if that's the case he would be sleeping in beds innocently. I'm not saying the allegations are not true, but there's two sides and nothing's been proven. It's possible they wanted to gain control over him by using his innocence against him. His kids love him and other kids who stayed with him have been on his side. But yeah, you never know, he might have been guilty.

Have you seen the documentary that aired in the US and the U.K., in tge last year or two, where his victims (now adults) were interviewed?
It made for very, very difficult viewing.
Again, I must emphasise that Michael Jackson is not around to answer these accusations, so it’s not possible to say definitively what happened.
These kids -now adults - who were allegedly abused though, have waived all rights of anonymity though to tell their story. If what they say is true, it can’t have been an easy story to tell.

 

[Hon33]

who is the most obsessed: the one who talk about how evil bts are and etc or the one who came in a bts discussion thread just to feel personally attacked, trying to defend guys who don't even know about their existence...
If it is all nonsense why starting arguing about it.... aiai essas armys.

What you don’t really seem to understand is, that someone like me, isn’t here to defend BTS per se. Yea, I like Kpop but I don’t like BTS. I couldn’t even tell you which one of them is in the picture, people were arguing with me about.
I am here because it is fundamentally wrong of you to generalise about someone’s involvement in the occult, to speculate about their sexuality, to decide they are transgender and especially to label them as paedophiles - especially when there is no evidence to support any of it.
If you believe in conspiracy theories and the involvement of the occult in the entertainment industry, so be it. If that is the case however, it must have been the case for centuries rather than decades or years. Scandal has always surrounded musicians, writers, actors etc, etc. It’s not new.
What concerns me more is the fact that they can freely make assumptions about people and post them as fact, without any regard for the people they are posting about or others who read this stuff.
Some of the things people here come up are frankly very worrying - cannibalism, paedophilia, orgies, human sacrifices? What kind of thoughts must you have to come up with this? You spend hours analysing this stuff and you attack anyone who dares to question it. For all the bizarre analysis you make, there are simple explanations, like my post on another thread about a recent Got7 song. Yes, you can choose to see the occult OR you can see the story of Romeo and Juliet, which the title of the song is a quote from. Sometimes life just isn’t that complicated. You all feed off each other. It’s very unhealthy behaviour.

Free speech is only free speech, when it doesn’t harm anyone. If it comes at a cost to others, it’s not free speech!
Do you really believe in the things you write here? Cannibalism? Paedophilia? Human sacrifice?
Your friend Boti today posted nonsense today about how past generations of music were more wholesome. When she’s called out on it, she says people are slow-minded or ill-informed. In reality, she is the one who is naive and ill-informed. She’s trying to change history to suit her own agenda but she can’t change what others have experienced.
No one is ever done learning. No one ever knows everything. If you think you have, then you’re going to be disappointed. One day you’re going to wake up and wonder why you believed all this. There are good people in Kpop and there are bad people in Kpop, just as there are and has been in the entertainment industry all over the world, for generations.
I am sorry to sound patronising but honestly, if you think this type of thinking makes you enlightened, you’re wrong. This type of thinking has also been around since time began.
Its not unique. You want to be unique? Try thinking for yourself - look at the world around you and try to ask yourself why you believe in all of this? Then be truthful when you answer that question.

 

[sadtruth]

Have you seen the documentary that aired in the US and the U.K., in tge last year or two, where his victims (now adults) were interviewed?
It made for very, very difficult viewing.
Again, I must emphasise that Michael Jackson is not around to answer these accusations, so it’s not possible to say definitively what happened.
These kids -now adults - who were allegedly abused though, have waived all rights of anonymity though to tell their story. If what they say is true, it can’t have been an easy story to tell.

I have. It still doesn't prove or change anything. Some people say they did it for money, there were plots in their story etc. I'm not judging them or stating Michael is innocent. I'm just saying we can't trust everything we see.

There's no point getting too much into it because like you said Michael isn't here anymore. If the boys were abused I hope they can heal, if not they'll have God to answer to just like Michael.

 

[Nonononsense]

who is the most obsessed: the one who talk about how evil bts are and etc or the one who came in a bts discussion thread just to feel personally attacked, trying to defend guys who don't even know about their existence...
If it is all nonsense why starting arguing about it.... aiai essas armys.

...and here i thought that the ones who said something about trolls were delulu.

Not agreeing that they are p*** means I am a fan? what type of logic is that lol

Let me check again, the evidence is hand holding and public weverse messages which were mind numbing I can't even remember except some joke about their favourit dang-shin? lol yes omg screams p***

So you're saying we can't post what we think if it's differen than your ideas? Are you sure YOU'RE not army? lol

These allegation are serious in my country and get people killed on the spot - no court, no prison.You're comfortable with it then go ahead, no one stopped you, I didn't even respond to you or the other poster again. I expressed my opinions and thoughts on a public forum, which I believe is within my every right. If you don't like that then why come on the internet you delulu

 

[fallandblues]

What you don’t really seem to understand is, that someone like me, isn’t here to defend BTS per se. Yea, I like Kpop but I don’t like BTS. I couldn’t even tell you which one of them is in the picture, people were arguing with me about.
I am here because it is fundamentally wrong of you to generalise about someone’s involvement in the occult, to speculate about their sexuality, to decide they are transgender and especially to label them as paedophiles - especially when there is no evidence to support any of it.
If you believe in conspiracy theories and the involvement of the occult in the entertainment industry, so be it. If that is the case however, it must have been the case for centuries rather than decades or years. Scandal has always surrounded musicians, writers, actors etc, etc. It’s not new.
What concerns me more is the fact that they can freely make assumptions about people and post them as fact, without any regard for the people they are posting about or others who read this stuff.
Some of the things people here come up are frankly very worrying - cannibalism, paedophilia, orgies, human sacrifices? What kind of thoughts must you have to come up with this? You spend hours analysing this stuff and you attack anyone who dares to question it. For all the bizarre analysis you make, there are simple explanations, like my post on another thread about a recent Got7 song. Yes, you can choose to see the occult OR you can see the story of Romeo and Juliet, which the title of the song is a quote from. Sometimes life just isn’t that complicated. You all feed off each other. It’s very unhealthy behaviour.

Free speech is only free speech, when it doesn’t harm anyone. If it comes at a cost to others, it’s not free speech!
Do you really believe in the things you write here? Cannibalism? Paedophilia? Human sacrifice?
Your friend Boti today posted nonsense today about how past generations of music were more wholesome. When she’s called out on it, she says people are slow-minded or ill-informed. In reality, she is the one who is naive and ill-informed. She’s trying to change history to suit her own agenda but she can’t change what others have experienced.
No one is ever done learning. No one ever knows everything. If you think you have, then you’re going to be disappointed. One day you’re going to wake up and wonder why you believed all this. There are good people in Kpop and there are bad people in Kpop, just as there are and has been in the entertainment industry all over the world, for generations.
I am sorry to sound patronising but honestly, if you think this type of thinking makes you enlightened, you’re wrong. This type of thinking has also been around since time began.
Its not unique. You want to be unique? Try thinking for yourself - look at the world around you and try to ask yourself why you believe in all of this? Then be truthful when you answer that question.

Seriously, and again, if you don't believe in the theories in here, you dont have to. It is all they are: t h e o r i e s.
It is right at the beginning, did you read? "all the topics and theories discussed here are pure speculation. The information should NOT be taken as facts".

"If you believe in conspiracy theories" this thread is, again, ALL about conspiracy theories.
The posts in here a g a i n should not be taken as facts. Y o u should not take as facts, for god sake.
You don't defend them, ok, and you think that the theories (not facts) in here will harm someone? Really? Posts on the internet? ok.
"For all the bizarre analysis you make"
what analysis have i made please tell me, it seems to me that you are kinda lost in here. Again, nobody is telling you to believe in something. Nobody.
You are in a bts thread talking about not defend bts and how wrong is to believe in the >theories< in here. Ok. Got it.

"If you believe in conspiracy theories and the involvement of the occult in the entertainment industry, so be it"
exactly, you should have ended there should I say what theories are again? Ok: Not facts.

 

[fallandblues]

Not agreeing that they are p*** means I am a fan? what type of logic is that lol

Let me check again, the evidence is hand holding and public weverse messages which were mind numbing I can't even remember except some joke about their favourit dang-shin? lol yes omg screams p***

So you're saying we can't post what we think if it's differen than your ideas? Are you sure YOU'RE not army? lol

These allegation are serious in my country and get people killed on the spot - no court, no prison.You're comfortable with it then go ahead, no one stopped you, I didn't even respond to you or the other poster again. I expressed my opinions and thoughts on a public forum, which I believe is within my every right. If you don't like that then why come on the internet you delulu

Did I said they were pedos? again: theories, that is all theories. If you dont believe, ok. You dont have to. Again: theories, not facts.
If you had actually read this thread, you would know that it is not just about holding hands. Ok? Ok.

You and the 2 others are so funny hahaha.

Again: If it is all nonsense why starting arguing about it...

 

[fallandblues]

"all the topics and theories discussed here are pure speculation. The information should NOT be taken as facts".

just in case someone missed it.

 

[taepeach]

it is possible celebrities or idols might be secretly p*dophiles/have perverted attraction to children or underaged peopls, and it can be because of being abused at a young age and that caused the demonic perversed spirits to attach to them or it even developed cuz of their agenda they have to promote subtly. Obviously it becomes serious when p*dophilia is in the conversation and to accuse someone of it is serious, and i of course still am iffy on this whole p*do thing, they definely can be perverts lol, but remember the 'incident' rumor with jimin and taehyung and somi during BS&T era? When they would sexually harrass her despite her being underaged at that time and she was always scared to see jimin? Or the way txt and new groups are way younger and are being sexualized?? Kpop aint innocent at all, kpop idols arent strangers to each other, you can bet theyve all secretly hooked up, went out on dates, etc. Now when it comes to p*dophilia, it is like in the movies, the seniors pick on the rookie groups and try to get with them. I swear i forgot where i read it, but i remember reading how rookie groups and girls (underaged and/or barely legal) are harrassed by older groups.
the point is p*dophilia exists in the elite/occult world and they have NO mercy or care for them, whether the child is even 17 or few months old. If they want to harm and abuse and sacrifice at any moment, THEY WILL. in fact the occultists enjoy terrorizing them before they are killed or sacrificed cuz their blood is more richer and powerful for them, and they are manipulated and tortured to do as their handlers and masters say. Plus all of the young trainees that are hidden who have no identity, you think those poor girls and boys dont ever have to shamelessly deal with abuse and sexual harassment by their managers/companies?