Tzitzits

[PlaneJane]

I have made them, I have the guts to wear them.....but I don’t yet know what I’ll say if/when someone asks me what the heck they are.

Sure, I can quote the scripture and tell the Gospel that Jeshuah came not to do away with the laws, but to fulfill them....but what could that possibly do to introduce a shopping sheeple to the TRUTH?

I honestly do not think that women should be preachers, nor would I ever want to be a preacher.
Philippians 4:3
I am not a speaker to groups, but merely a writer, always have been just that.

Please, Muslims, keep your bullchit to yourself, as I am NOT speaking to you, nor even slightly interested in YOUR thoughts.
I honestly believe that I clearly understand your contradictory religion better than you do. I’ve even studied it more than you have. I have your
dog-eared book on a shelf somewhere amongst my Dianetics and Zechariah Sitchin books.
Shhhhh zip it.....and ya, I am a woman telling you that.

Sorry all, I got off track due to so many
Personal attacks in the past by them.

Anyways....
No one these days thinks it is strange at all if I say, “no thank you, I don’t eat shellfish, no, I don’t touch pork with a ten foot pole.”

Answering about blue, obviously hand crafted tassels, on the corners of my sweaters/hoodies will be very different, I’m sure.
Eventually, I will show up on “ people of Walmart,” but that’s ok.

The first one I made was wrong, I’m certain. My shirts always covered it.
I had crocheted a belt, then made 4 tassels that I tied to the corners. Problem was that it was a belt, and not tassels on a “robe.”

Any thoughts or questions about this?

 

[JoChris]

I have made them, I have the guts to wear them.....but I don’t yet know what I’ll say if/when someone asks me what the heck they are.

Sure, I can quote the scripture and tell the Gospel that Jeshuah came not to do away with the laws, but to fulfill them....but what could that possibly do to introduce a shopping sheeple to the TRUTH?

I honestly do not think that women should be preachers, nor would I ever want to be a preacher.
Philippians 4:3
I am not a speaker to groups, but merely a writer, always have been just that.

Please, Muslims, keep your bullchit to yourself, as I am NOT speaking to you, nor even slightly interested in YOUR thoughts.
I honestly believe that I clearly understand your contradictory religion better than you do. I’ve even studied it more than you have. I have your
dog-eared book on a shelf somewhere amongst my Dianetics and Zechariah Sitchin books.
Shhhhh zip it.....and ya, I am a woman telling you that.

Sorry all, I got off track due to so many
Personal attacks in the past by them.

Anyways....
No one these days thinks it is strange at all if I say, “no thank you, I don’t eat shellfish, no, I don’t touch pork with a ten foot pole.”

Answering about blue, obviously hand crafted tassels, on the corners of my sweaters/hoodies will be very different, I’m sure.
Eventually, I will show up on “ people of Walmart,” but that’s ok.

The first one I made was wrong, I’m certain. My shirts always covered it.
I had crocheted a belt, then made 4 tassels that I tied to the corners. Problem was that it was a belt, and not tassels on a “robe.”

Any thoughts or questions about this?

It doesn't worry me honestly. If you believe it helps remind you of God then go for it.

Nothing like that is wriiten for Christians in the New Testament so that is why I won't ever do it.

 

[AspiringSoul]

I have made them, I have the guts to wear them.....but I don’t yet know what I’ll say if/when someone asks me what the heck they are.

Sure, I can quote the scripture and tell the Gospel that Jeshuah came not to do away with the laws, but to fulfill them....but what could that possibly do to introduce a shopping sheeple to the TRUTH?

I honestly do not think that women should be preachers, nor would I ever want to be a preacher.
Philippians 4:3
I am not a speaker to groups, but merely a writer, always have been just that.

Please, Muslims, keep your bullchit to yourself, as I am NOT speaking to you, nor even slightly interested in YOUR thoughts.
I honestly believe that I clearly understand your contradictory religion better than you do. I’ve even studied it more than you have. I have your
dog-eared book on a shelf somewhere amongst my Dianetics and Zechariah Sitchin books.
Shhhhh zip it.....and ya, I am a woman telling you that.

Sorry all, I got off track due to so many
Personal attacks in the past by them.

Anyways....
No one these days thinks it is strange at all if I say, “no thank you, I don’t eat shellfish, no, I don’t touch pork with a ten foot pole.”

Answering about blue, obviously hand crafted tassels, on the corners of my sweaters/hoodies will be very different, I’m sure.
Eventually, I will show up on “ people of Walmart,” but that’s ok.

The first one I made was wrong, I’m certain. My shirts always covered it.
I had crocheted a belt, then made 4 tassels that I tied to the corners. Problem was that it was a belt, and not tassels on a “robe.”

Any thoughts or questions about this?

Yeh you're all over the place
Wtf are you even saying?

 

[PlaneJane]

It doesn't worry me honestly. If you believe it helps remind you of God then go for it.

Nothing like that is wriiten for Christians in the New Testament so that is why I won't ever do it.

I take it that you eat ham sandwiches

 

[PlaneJane]

Yeh you're all over the place
Wtf are you even saying?

What I am talking about is that Jeshuah did not come to disregard the Old Testament.
It’s too complicated for you, never mind.

 

[PlaneJane]

It doesn't worry me honestly. If you believe it helps remind you of God then go for it.

Nothing like that is wriiten for Christians in the New Testament so that is why I won't ever do it.

In Numbers 15:38 it says

Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them that they shall make for themselves tassels on the corners of their garments THROUGHOUT THEIR GENERATIONS
Please, look it up yourself.

Now what does throughout their generations mean?
To me it does not mean (or until Jeshuah is born.)
There were 12 tribes of Israel right? Not counting the blessing given to Joseph’s sons.
Judah was only 1 of those tribes, Jews are only a small fraction.
I am not a Jew, but I am an Israelite. Therefore I want to do what the Father has commmanded of me.

Aren’t you an Israelite either by blood, or by being grafted in?

 

[AspiringSoul]

What I am talking about is that Jeshuah did not come to disregard the Old Testament.
It’s too complicated for you, never mind.

You don't actually understand the philosophy of non action as opposed to the philosophy of right action. Hence you don't understand the passive and active elements to the topic of faith Vs works.
If you're even slightly curious
Check out madam guyon's teachings to learn more at least from a Christian perspective.

These really refer to our mental/spiritual approach eg do you conciously try to make yourself a better person by imitation or do you believe that a spiritual connection to God makes you a better person by virtue of qualities endowed on you by God? You know like some people are just good people naturally without effort

Jesus said it's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you but what comes out of your mouth.
Thats ultimately about the conciousness of one thing as unclean and another as clean. Jesus said make your eye single.
As Paul said "to the pure all things are pure"

There's a book I got by some guy called Shawn s moticheck "removing the veil"

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Removing_the_Veil.html?id=3Q9zPgAACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y
Worth a read if you're bothered

It's not about disregarding the old testament it's about fulfilling it through an entirely different viewpoint.

 

[PlaneJane]

You don't actually understand the philosophy of non action as opposed to the philosophy of right action. Hence you don't understand the passive and active elements to the topic of faith Vs works.
If you're even slightly curious
Check out madam guyon's teachings to learn more at least from a Christian perspective.

These really refer to our mental/spiritual approach eg do you conciously try to make yourself a better person by imitation or do you believe that a spiritual connection to God makes you a better person by virtue of qualities endowed on you by God? You know like some people are just good people naturally without effort

Jesus said it's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you but what comes out of your mouth.
Thats ultimately about the conciousness of one thing as unclean and another as clean. Jesus said make your eye single.
As Paul said "to the pure all things are pure"

There's a book I got by some guy called Shawn s moticheck "removing the veil"

https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Removing_the_Veil.html?id=3Q9zPgAACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y
Worth a read if you're bothered

It's not about disregarding the old testament it's about fulfilling it through an entirely different viewpoint.

Ok, I’ll look at it.
Are you Catholic?

 

[AspiringSoul]

I'm a Muslim. These topics do interest me, you...but you've already judged me.

 

[PlaneJane]

I'm a Muslim. These topics do interest me, you...but you've already judged me.

Well, I have indeed judged Catholicism, and i’ve judged Islamic doctrine.

I have not judged you.
The relationship that you have with the Father is none of my business.
I am quite aware.

I do not believe that I have the same God as a Muslim. If you want to, you can call that as “me judging you.”

I have heard your post argument at least a dozen times.

I have been insulted by Muslims so many times, that I have grown weary of them.
I ran my own religious forum way back in the day, about 14 years ago? I learned to stay away from them in general, as we had nothing to teach each other.

I’m sorry that I was so abrasive, if I could, I would give you a few cartons of eggs. You are a human being, and I would never want to hurt anyone. I hope you have a good day.

 

[Moreaboutyou]

Religion is only good if it brings you closer to God. Be careful, the people who killed Jesus were very fond of rules and status as well.

Much Love

 

[PlaneJane]

Abs

Do you consider yourself a "son" of Israel? If not, why are you making them for yourself?

Absolutely I am an Israelite, and I am raising 3 Israelite sons.

If you are insinuating that I am a daughter, not a son, all I can say is that I have several different translations of bibles, and the one I chose for this occasion said “son,” another I just randomly picked up just now said “people.”

It is my hope and in my prayers that I will eventually be able to read and understand the earliest translations.

It would be easy to prove that I am at least a “son of man.”

 

[PlaneJane]

Religion is only good if it brings you closer to God. Be careful, the people who killed Jesus were very fond of rules and status as well.

Much Love

Umm ok, well I thank you for your interest.
I promise I’m not a Pharisee.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Well, I have indeed judged Catholicism, and i’ve judged Islamic doctrine.

I have not judged you.
The relationship that you have with the Father is none of my business.
I am quite aware.

I do not believe that I have the same God as a Muslim. If you want to, you can call that as “me judging you.”

I have heard your post argument at least a dozen times.

I have been insulted by Muslims so many times, that I have grown weary of them.
I ran my own religious forum way back in the day, about 14 years ago? I learned to stay away from them in general, as we had nothing to teach each other.

I’m sorry that I was so abrasive, if I could, I would give you a few cartons of eggs. You are a human being, and I would never want to hurt anyone. I hope you have a good day.

Hmm
Ok, a few stories/examples that are a bit random but I hope you get where I'm coming from.

I was on a mostly Muslim forum similar to this and had a hard time of it from some Muslims and got along with the few christians there. Doesn't mean it's the same everywhere or that everyone was the same.

I was on a Catholic forum because of a guy I knew from the previous forum. Real good guy. As it happens, I posted a thread quoting some of Khalil Jibran's material from a book called "Jesus, the son of man" A fictional text that quotes from people in the time of Jesus about him. Entirely fictional but brings his story to life from different viewpoints
http://newthoughtlibrary.com/gibranKhalil/jesus/
Now this text is beautiful...to me. It is imaginative but also believable.

Anyway I got permanently banned for that.
I didn't take it personally, it made me laugh at their ignorance. Khalil gibran was a Christian and they felt threatened by a Muslim poster posting something from a Muslim sounding name? Pretty sad, Christians ought to be proud to have him. Also the same for madam guyon who I talked about. Her writing explaining the different paths to God (within a Christian context) and her own experiences ..are easily applicable to any system of belief (that has the same ultimate goal) because there is only one metaphysical reality for all of us.

As for everything else. I have no need to push my views on you. I believe everyone has their own sense of truth and their own concience.
However when it comes to theology...you agree there is One universal and eternal God right? It is only the ontology of God where we differ.
You believe in that universal eternal God via 3 'persons' whom you understand a certain way.
I have my way of looking at things.
Eg to me God is Transcendent and Immanent.
His Immanence is in All things....and in my own self...the macrocosm and microcosm
I believe the Logos(Word of God), Son, Image of God to be diff terms from the Torah to Hellenistic era Judaism that refer to the same ultimate idea of universal conciousness (I think of the image/word as God's expression but don't try to delve too much deeper than that).
The analogy used in various belief systems is
universal/ primordial ocean
And the spirit in us as a drop.
What connects the two is the holy spirit.
As in The spirit of God hovered over the "waters". But this topic is also there in ancient Egyptian mythology eg Nu. The primordial watery abyss. In Hinduism...
It's also been described in Islam as the primordial ink from which the eternal "book" (the record of all things) is written.

Arguing over that topic is stupid...discussing it openly is another matter. However I don't really care enough to need to argue over it directly. What I will do from time to time is call out Christians if theyre misinterpreting the new testament/Bible. No matter what you think of me/my religious views..you would agree that misinterpreting the scripture should be called out.

So for example in Psalm 110 it says Yhwh(interpreted as Adonai/THE Lord) says to 'my lord' (adoni..master/superior of David).

Jesus acknowledged David spoke of him. Now side story..but I believe the reason why Jesus was called the son of David despite David calling him 'adoni/lord' is because Jesus was in effect the fulfillment the highest ideals in man who he could only ever dream of. Noet merely a conquerer and ruler but a redeemer and intercessor for all people) eg Psalm 22.

Now as Jesus is 'adoni' in the context it means whenever the Jews approached him as 'lord' they meant 'master' and not LORD GOD (YHWH). Since Jesus responded directly by quoting from Psalm 110.
So it stands to reason no Christian should ever remove that context when later interpreting the words "Lord Jesus Christ" as "THE LORD Jesus Christ"
Regardless of the trinitarian belief...it is still a mistake or intellectual dishonesty.

ill say the same given the chance if Muslims do the same thing or Christians or anyone else (if I happen to be aware of it) with their own texts.
Eg I got into a back and forth with a Jewish guy over the messiah in the old testament years ago.
I quoted Zechariah 11 and he said "no the Christians made up the story of Judas and 30 peices of silver to make it fit into previous prophecies"
I'm like "70ad the temple and city were destroyed, 1m Jews were killed..and for 2000 yrs, there no messiah or even a new Jewish prophet and you still reckon it wasn't Jesus?"
He responded "the point is if it was Jesus then none of that would happen, the messiah wouldn't cause us to suffer"

These topics interest me. Knowing how people think, approach life.
Way before that I use to debate this group of hindus who started conspiring privately to "bring down the Muslim" by coming at me with everything they had at their disposal. One guy used the athiest approach. Was constantly shoving Dawkins type arguments every other post with the word "ad hominem" to everything (it's a choice athiestic term like how Muslims say Inshallah or mashallah...the athiests say ad hominem or flying spaghetti monster).
Anywho...this guy effectively gave me the opportunity to learn and appreciate my own perspectives..certainly made me appreciate metaphysics and theism.

But you know what else I realised? Anything conceivable is actually real and exists
Eg flying spaghetti monsters actually exist.
In another dimension that's accessible...but Def exist.
If you make your eye single with regards to flying spaghetti monsters..you'll see them and interact with them.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Abs


Absolutely I am an Israelite, and I am raising 3 Israelite sons.

If you are insinuating that I am a daughter, not a son, all I can say is that I have several different translations of bibles, and the one I chose for this occasion said “son,” another I just randomly picked up just now said “people.”

It is my hope and in my prayers that I will eventually be able to read and understand the earliest translations.

It would be easy to prove that I am at least a “son of man.”

Why are you turning the Torah into an LGBT version?

"They shall make for themselves"
What happens when the sons of Israel enjoy
Sewing so much they become gender confused?



Kidding
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+15:38-40&version=cjb&interface=amp
Whenever I can be bothered I'll read the complete Jewish Bible version to see some Hebrew terms but failing that...look for the Hebrew transliteration. However even that is a bit questionable because the Hebrew Bible as it is today is from the Masoretic text.

Is there a Hebrew version based on the Greek Septuagint that also has transliteration so I can cross reference?

 

[Serveto]

Absolutely I am an Israelite, and I am raising 3 Israelite sons.

Are you raising them under the Old Testament Law?

If you are insinuating that I am a daughter, not a son, all I can say is that I have several different translations of bibles, and the one I chose for this occasion said “son,” another I just randomly picked up just now said “people.”

I notice the "if," which makes your statement conditional, but be assured that I wasn't insinuating anything. I only asked two questions. Yes, I did notice that you are apparently female, and I noticed that the verse you quoted said "sons." Maybe I haven't been very observant, but I have never seen Jewish women wearing tzittzits (sp?), and there are laws in the Old, or, if you prefer, "Former" Testament which forbid women wearing that which pertaineth unto a man. Have you considered whether, in this case, those prohibitions apply to you?

It is my hope and in my prayers that I will eventually be able to read and understand the earliest translations.

That's cool. I hope your prayers are answered in the affirmative.

It would be easy to prove that I am at least a “son of man.”

Still, if you are a female, as I understand, certain Old Testament laws apply to you that do not apply to men, and vice versa.

 

[PlaneJane]

Wow, a lot to go over here. I will use this thread for my Sabbath study on Saturday. It’s been a long day for me.

I am nothing but a housewife and mother. I was never raised in any church.
I have only a few members in my family that have any interest in God. The ones that do have interest, think they are doing great by attending some big fancy church on some Sundays here and there.
I can think of 3 members all descendants of 1 man, that obviously have the law written in their hearts, and have true passion for Jeshuah.

I am not Jewish, but I am an Israelite from the tribe of Joseph, both Ephraim and Manasseh. A little bit of Dan, a little bit of Reuben, that I’m sure of.

Since I was a baby, the laws were written in my heart Jeremiah 31:31-33

I have a natural hatred for pagan holidays such as Christmas and Easter. I joke to myself that the Ishtar demon b!&ch is my arch nemesis.

I have had several visions in my life, and the most recent one shook me to the core. I’ve had one at 17, and one at 28 that also shook me.

I was on my hands and knees praying, and The Father had given me the vision of being in that same position at the right side corner of His throne. I did not dare try to look at Him, but the purple color was so dark that I could not see anything besides that right front corner of his “chair.” Jeshuah was standing behind me slightly to the left side of me. Only because of Jeshuahs light could I see that barely describable corner.

The Father showed me some things that were circling around me and explained them to me.
I don’t care that it sounds crazy, it’s the Truth.

So I started back at where I had left off a couple years ago, and really dove back into my studies again.

So, that’s a bit of my background, have a good night, talk to you all soon.

 

[Serveto]

I am nothing but a housewife and mother.

It's good to be humble, but please don't underestimate your value. In my opinion, those are two noble callings!

 

[Vytas]

I am not Jewish, but I am an Israelite from the tribe of Joseph, both Ephraim and Manasseh. A little bit of Dan, a little bit of Reuben, that I’m sure of.

How do you know that ?

 

[JoChris]

In Numbers 15:38 it says

Speak to the sons of Israel, and tell them that they shall make for themselves tassels on the corners of their garments THROUGHOUT THEIR GENERATIONS
Please, look it up yourself.

Now what does throughout their generations mean?
To me it does not mean (or until Jeshuah is born.)
There were 12 tribes of Israel right? Not counting the blessing given to Joseph’s sons.
Judah was only 1 of those tribes, Jews are only a small fraction.
I am not a Jew, but I am an Israelite. Therefore I want to do what the Father has commmanded of me.

Aren’t you an Israelite either by blood, or by being grafted in?

Definitely not by blood. South American/English my father's side, Australian/ Irish/ English my mother's side.
I wouldn't be surprised if my ancestors were separated from the people destined to become the Jews after the Tower of Babel.

Paul was writing to the Romans, a new group of "spiritual Jews" see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11:13-36&version=KJV
The Jewish ceremonial/ cultural laws were not given to Christians.