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[ShiningCarat14]

Analysis: T*A*E*H*Y*U*N*G (part 2 of 3)​

[Disclaimer: the following is pure speculation and a collection of observation. Do not take this as fact.]​

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In the first part I discussed three of the nine elements in the image from Ta3's Stigma performance. The last song I discussed was Singularity. I linked it to the written phrase "Spread Your Wings" and Ta3's multiple alters (represented by the masks in the music video that took the shape of spread wings behind him). I also find it interesting that that particular phrase was written in the same pane as the inverted "past pain". I'm sure everyone here has seen the fantastic posts made by other users about MK Ultra and their process of splitting the mind and creating different personas or alters in their victims. This is commonly done through mental abuse, physical torture and sexual ritual abuse -thus, these multiple personalities are birthed from pain. Torture = Alters, therefore Past pain = Spread Wings.

The Wings -Stigma
Firstly, I have to give props to whoever their creative team is, they planned these songs and music videos very cleverly with all the hints and references to future projects.
And the choreography just perfectly places Ta3 in center focus with the song's name in view. Such a coincidence.
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Anyway, Ta3's short story opens with him carving something into a wall. When the camera closes in, we see that he is indeed carving the name "Abraxas". Even though Ta3 has his dark hair and natural eyes that seem to indicate a human persona, the presence of the demon is still made known.
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Additionally, the knife he using to do this looks like the one he sported in the BST Japanese version in this scene where he goes up the stairs after beating J1n.
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Note the recurring strong green colour in the first scene of Stigma (Ta3's jacket, the lighting and graffiti), and the strong green lighting in the background of the scene from BST, as well as the green ceiling lights in the No More Dream MV. This will be important later on. Another important detail to remember for later is that Ta3 is wearing a Nirvana shirt in the MV for Stigma and a point is made to show it blatently to the camera before he gets arrested.

When Ta3 runs into the spotlight a bit later, he is wearing a white shirt. It's blank, no print. In the MV for Singularity, he also wears a white shirt in the scene where he manipulates the masks, or alters. I said in the first part that I think Ta3 in that MV was his core alter. He wears the exact same shirt in the spotlight scene in Stigma which is why I believe this is his core personality again. The one that looks distressed and sad and is beat up by some unseen force to the point of bruising and bleeding, perhaps indicating the pain his real self endured in order to induce the mind split (and later to welcome Abraxas).
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We then see two cutscenes, one of the injured Ta3 being visited by (a very adorable) white puppy, and another Ta3 who is seen with his abusive father. Note how the Ta3 playing with the puppy wears white, while the one in the other scene wears all-black. Ta3 is also seen cutting his hair. I think that the puppy represents not only innocence, but again his true self. The person he was before being exposed to whatever it is that goes on behind the scenes. After a while, a cage comes down. I think the cage is symbolic for mind control Note how Ta3 pulls the puppy close to his chest, as though he is trying to protect him. This could show how victims fight to hold on to themselves through the trauma.
Eventually the puppy leaves and Ta3 is alone in the cage -he has dissociated and lost his true self.
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Ta3 is also shown being interrogated. The set up of the scene is interesting, the balance of both characters makes it almost perfectly symmetrical . . . like a reflection. Like the lyrics of his song, Ta3 seems to regret something deeply as he reflects on something horrible he did or caused. He is forced to face the consequence of his actions, represented by his interrogator. As he faces his actions, he faces himself.
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Ta3 asks for his phone call which we can assume made to R*M. And what was the name of R*M's Wings solo? Reflection. Why did I include that under this section? The lyrics "I wish I could love myself" was also noticed to be on the image used in Ta3's performance in the same pane as the words "The Wings".

Definition of stigma:

plural stigmata

a) archaic: a scar left by a hot iron
b) a mark of shame or discredit
c) an identifying mark or characteristic ; specifically, a diagnostic sign of a disease or sickness (kind of important)

The first definition is relevant because Ta3 not only is beaten up to the point of injury in the MV, but also within the context of the lyrics:


Deeper, deeper, the wound just gets deeper

Like pieces of broken glass that I can’t reverse

Deeper, it’s just the heart that hurts every day

(You) who was punished in my stead,

You who were only delicate and fragile


The Ta3 in this MV is very different to the Ta3 in BST. This is where the second definition comes in. This one seems to regret something deeply and to feel shame to the point of despair. This is because his core alter can't reconcile the actions of his other alters -when he is himself, the guilt of what he did when under the influence of the other personas consumes him. A possible reason is that Mk Ultra victims are said to have alters that do not know each other. They may not remember what they did when their different personas were triggered, but in the case of the core alter breaking through, they need to be reprogrammed. Hence the blonde hair in BST.

Finally, the last definition is that of an identifying mark or characteristic. Ta3 seems to be made to stand out in many of their videos and concepts, he seems to be separated from the group and made to stand on his own as a single unit -a singularity.

Conclusion on Colour Usage: Why the Colour Green is Important
Remember that the colour green was used in the opening scene of Stigma, the knife scene in BST and the lighting scheme of No More Dream when Ta3 is at the center. Green seems to be associated with something ominous that causes Ta3's stigma, the reason for his wings.


"What’s fascinating is that as positive as most of our associations with green are, it carries particular potent negative connotations as well. Someone who feels sick might look “green around the gills,” and certain yellow-gray greens have a distinctly unpleasant, institutional feel to them. We link green with envy and with greed, and even the Mr. Yuck sticker intended to warn children away from potentially hazardous chemicals is a bright, eye-catching green.

Green is the color of the Heart Chakra, also known as Anahata. This chakra is located at the center of the chest area and is linked to the heart, lungs, circulatory system, cardiac plexus, and the complete chest area. The Heart Chakra bridges the gap between the physical and spiritual worlds."
Source: www.sensationalcolor.com/clor-meaning/color-meaning-symbolism-psychology/all-about-the-color-green-4309#.Wz_PUkxuLIU

So here we have a connection between the third definition of the word "stigma" and the colour green. Again, there is belief in certain circles about green representing the link between the spiritual and physical world -a concept explored thoroughly in BST. Ta3 however is not the only character who has a connection to the colour green. Note some of the others:

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Nevermind
So remember that "Nevermind" was also written on the board. This is the name of a Nirvana album (remember Ta3's shirt) and has been a recurring reference in several BT$ MVs.

"Nevermind is the second studio album by American rock band Nirvana, released on September 24, 1991. Produced by Butch Vig, Nevermind was Nirvana's first release on DGC Records and the first album to feature drummer Dave Grohl. Despite low commercial expectations, Nevermind became a surprise success, largely due to the popularity of its first single, "Smells Like Teen Spirit". By January 11, 1992, it had replaced Michael Jackson's album Dangerous at number one on the US Billboard 200 chart. The album also produced three other successful singles: "Come As You Are", "Lithium", and "In Bloom"."
Source: Wikipedia

All four of the hit singles contain weird lyrics that seem linked to violence or decisions that would later cause regret. Some of the dark lyrics:

Smells Like Teen Spirit
Load up on guns, bring your friends
It's fun to lose and to pretend
She's overboard and self-assured
Oh no, I know a dirty word

Hello, hello, hello, hello
Hello, hello, hello,how low?
Hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello low low?
Hello, hello, hello
With the lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now, entertain us

I'm worse at what I do best
And for this gift I feel blessed
Our little group has always been
And always will until the end

And I forget, just why I taste
Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard, it's hard to find
Oh well, whatever, nevermind

(Chorus)

A denial (x4)

Come As You Are

Come as you are
As you were
As I want you to be
As a friend, as a friend
As an old enemy
Take your time
Hurry Up
The choice is yours
Don't be late
Take a rest
As a friend
As an old memoria (the word basically means "in memory of" someone usually who has passed into oblivion . . . the core alter?)

(chorus)

And I swear that I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun (x2)

Lithium

I'm so happy
Çause today I found my friends
They're in my head (different personalities due to MK Ultra)
I'm so ugly ("I wish I could love myself")
That's okay çause so are you
Broke our mirrors (reflection, shattering glass in Stigma lyrics)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm so lonely (Ta3 alone in the cage)
And I'm not sad and just maybe
I'm to blame for all I've heard (theme of Stigma)
I'm not sure, I'm so excited (stark contrast -again different alters, dissociation)

I like it, I'm not gonna crack
I miss you, I'm not gonna crack
I love you, I'm not gonna crack
I killed you, I'm not gonna crack
I like it, I'm not gonna crack

In Bloom

Sell the kids for food (were they sold into the industry?)
Weather changes moods
Spring is here again (green once again is representative of spring)
Reproductive glands
He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing alone
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he
Knows not what it means
Knows not what it means
When I say "yeah"

We can have some more
Nature is a whore
Bruises on the fruit
Tender age in bloom

And that is basically all the lyrics, it just repeats itself again.

One last thing, compare the design of the character V@n from b*21 to a cover for a Nirvana album:
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I love this I’m sad theres only one part left
Also thank you it seems like you’ve analysed the short film for T@3 so I don’t have to do his song and film maybe I will show my analysis on the song but you talked about everything so clearly and well put so there’s no point Thank you again I really enjoy reading these posts as much as they are so sad (he’s my bias )

 

[Bae Yeon Hee]

Analysis: T*A*E*H*Y*U*N*G (part 2 of 3)​

[Disclaimer: the following is pure speculation and a collection of observation. Do not take this as fact.]​

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In the first part I discussed three of the nine elements in the image from Ta3's Stigma performance. The last song I discussed was Singularity. I linked it to the written phrase "Spread Your Wings" and Ta3's multiple alters (represented by the masks in the music video that took the shape of spread wings behind him). I also find it interesting that that particular phrase was written in the same pane as the inverted "past pain". I'm sure everyone here has seen the fantastic posts made by other users about MK Ultra and their process of splitting the mind and creating different personas or alters in their victims. This is commonly done through mental abuse, physical torture and sexual ritual abuse -thus, these multiple personalities are birthed from pain. Torture = Alters, therefore Past pain = Spread Wings.

The Wings -Stigma
Firstly, I have to give props to whoever their creative team is, they planned these songs and music videos very cleverly with all the hints and references to future projects.
And the choreography just perfectly places Ta3 in center focus with the song's name in view. Such a coincidence.
View attachment 12009

Anyway, Ta3's short story opens with him carving something into a wall. When the camera closes in, we see that he is indeed carving the name "Abraxas". Even though Ta3 has his dark hair and natural eyes that seem to indicate a human persona, the presence of the demon is still made known.
View attachment 12005
Additionally, the knife he using to do this looks like the one he sported in the BST Japanese version in this scene where he goes up the stairs after beating J1n.
View attachment 12006
Note the recurring strong green colour in the first scene of Stigma (Ta3's jacket, the lighting and graffiti), and the strong green lighting in the background of the scene from BST, as well as the green ceiling lights in the No More Dream MV. This will be important later on. Another important detail to remember for later is that Ta3 is wearing a Nirvana shirt in the MV for Stigma and a point is made to show it blatently to the camera before he gets arrested.

When Ta3 runs into the spotlight a bit later, he is wearing a white shirt. It's blank, no print. In the MV for Singularity, he also wears a white shirt in the scene where he manipulates the masks, or alters. I said in the first part that I think Ta3 in that MV was his core alter. He wears the exact same shirt in the spotlight scene in Stigma which is why I believe this is his core personality again. The one that looks distressed and sad and is beat up by some unseen force to the point of bruising and bleeding, perhaps indicating the pain his real self endured in order to induce the mind split (and later to welcome Abraxas).
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We then see two cutscenes, one of the injured Ta3 being visited by (a very adorable) white puppy, and another Ta3 who is seen with his abusive father. Note how the Ta3 playing with the puppy wears white, while the one in the other scene wears all-black. Ta3 is also seen cutting his hair. I think that the puppy represents not only innocence, but again his true self. The person he was before being exposed to whatever it is that goes on behind the scenes. After a while, a cage comes down. I think the cage is symbolic for mind control Note how Ta3 pulls the puppy close to his chest, as though he is trying to protect him. This could show how victims fight to hold on to themselves through the trauma.
Eventually the puppy leaves and Ta3 is alone in the cage -he has dissociated and lost his true self.
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Ta3 is also shown being interrogated. The set up of the scene is interesting, the balance of both characters makes it almost perfectly symmetrical . . . like a reflection. Like the lyrics of his song, Ta3 seems to regret something deeply as he reflects on something horrible he did or caused. He is forced to face the consequence of his actions, represented by his interrogator. As he faces his actions, he faces himself.
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Ta3 asks for his phone call which we can assume made to R*M. And what was the name of R*M's Wings solo? Reflection. Why did I include that under this section? The lyrics "I wish I could love myself" was also noticed to be on the image used in Ta3's performance in the same pane as the words "The Wings".

Definition of stigma:

plural stigmata

a) archaic: a scar left by a hot iron
b) a mark of shame or discredit
c) an identifying mark or characteristic ; specifically, a diagnostic sign of a disease or sickness (kind of important)

The first definition is relevant because Ta3 not only is beaten up to the point of injury in the MV, but also within the context of the lyrics:


Deeper, deeper, the wound just gets deeper

Like pieces of broken glass that I can’t reverse

Deeper, it’s just the heart that hurts every day

(You) who was punished in my stead,

You who were only delicate and fragile


The Ta3 in this MV is very different to the Ta3 in BST. This is where the second definition comes in. This one seems to regret something deeply and to feel shame to the point of despair. This is because his core alter can't reconcile the actions of his other alters -when he is himself, the guilt of what he did when under the influence of the other personas consumes him. A possible reason is that Mk Ultra victims are said to have alters that do not know each other. They may not remember what they did when their different personas were triggered, but in the case of the core alter breaking through, they need to be reprogrammed. Hence the blonde hair in BST.

Finally, the last definition is that of an identifying mark or characteristic. Ta3 seems to be made to stand out in many of their videos and concepts, he seems to be separated from the group and made to stand on his own as a single unit -a singularity.

Conclusion on Colour Usage: Why the Colour Green is Important
Remember that the colour green was used in the opening scene of Stigma, the knife scene in BST and the lighting scheme of No More Dream when Ta3 is at the center. Green seems to be associated with something ominous that causes Ta3's stigma, the reason for his wings.


"What’s fascinating is that as positive as most of our associations with green are, it carries particular potent negative connotations as well. Someone who feels sick might look “green around the gills,” and certain yellow-gray greens have a distinctly unpleasant, institutional feel to them. We link green with envy and with greed, and even the Mr. Yuck sticker intended to warn children away from potentially hazardous chemicals is a bright, eye-catching green.

Green is the color of the Heart Chakra, also known as Anahata. This chakra is located at the center of the chest area and is linked to the heart, lungs, circulatory system, cardiac plexus, and the complete chest area. The Heart Chakra bridges the gap between the physical and spiritual worlds."
Source: www.sensationalcolor.com/clor-meaning/color-meaning-symbolism-psychology/all-about-the-color-green-4309#.Wz_PUkxuLIU

So here we have a connection between the third definition of the word "stigma" and the colour green. Again, there is belief in certain circles about green representing the link between the spiritual and physical world -a concept explored thoroughly in BST. Ta3 however is not the only character who has a connection to the colour green. Note some of the others:

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Nevermind
So remember that "Nevermind" was also written on the board. This is the name of a Nirvana album (remember Ta3's shirt) and has been a recurring reference in several BT$ MVs.

"Nevermind is the second studio album by American rock band Nirvana, released on September 24, 1991. Produced by Butch Vig, Nevermind was Nirvana's first release on DGC Records and the first album to feature drummer Dave Grohl. Despite low commercial expectations, Nevermind became a surprise success, largely due to the popularity of its first single, "Smells Like Teen Spirit". By January 11, 1992, it had replaced Michael Jackson's album Dangerous at number one on the US Billboard 200 chart. The album also produced three other successful singles: "Come As You Are", "Lithium", and "In Bloom"."
Source: Wikipedia

All four of the hit singles contain weird lyrics that seem linked to violence or decisions that would later cause regret. Some of the dark lyrics:

Smells Like Teen Spirit
Load up on guns, bring your friends
It's fun to lose and to pretend
She's overboard and self-assured
Oh no, I know a dirty word

Hello, hello, hello, hello
Hello, hello, hello,how low?
Hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello low low?
Hello, hello, hello
With the lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now, entertain us

I'm worse at what I do best
And for this gift I feel blessed
Our little group has always been
And always will until the end

And I forget, just why I taste
Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard, it's hard to find
Oh well, whatever, nevermind

(Chorus)

A denial (x4)

Come As You Are

Come as you are
As you were
As I want you to be
As a friend, as a friend
As an old enemy
Take your time
Hurry Up
The choice is yours
Don't be late
Take a rest
As a friend
As an old memoria (the word basically means "in memory of" someone usually who has passed into oblivion . . . the core alter?)

(chorus)

And I swear that I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun (x2)

Lithium

I'm so happy
Çause today I found my friends
They're in my head (different personalities due to MK Ultra)
I'm so ugly ("I wish I could love myself")
That's okay çause so are you
Broke our mirrors (reflection, shattering glass in Stigma lyrics)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm so lonely (Ta3 alone in the cage)
And I'm not sad and just maybe
I'm to blame for all I've heard (theme of Stigma)
I'm not sure, I'm so excited (stark contrast -again different alters, dissociation)

I like it, I'm not gonna crack
I miss you, I'm not gonna crack
I love you, I'm not gonna crack
I killed you, I'm not gonna crack
I like it, I'm not gonna crack

In Bloom

Sell the kids for food (were they sold into the industry?)
Weather changes moods
Spring is here again (green once again is representative of spring)
Reproductive glands
He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing alone
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he
Knows not what it means
Knows not what it means
When I say "yeah"

We can have some more
Nature is a whore
Bruises on the fruit
Tender age in bloom

And that is basically all the lyrics, it just repeats itself again.

One last thing, compare the design of the character V@n from b*21 to a cover for a Nirvana album:
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The color green used in spell work can represent gains in wealth, increase, accumulation, security and new beginnings. For Satanists, using green in spell work can bring you a monetary or situational benefit. You can also use this color for spells of beauty and renewal.
In general esoteric green represents Money, fertility, wealth, material gain, health, healing, communication with the spirits of nature, anti-inflammatory. Venus is green - love. Making love (fond, red is for lust and sex), fidelity, reconciliation, beauty, youth, friendship, attraction, harmony, financial gain, increase the gain, social functions, possessions, wealth, indulgence, pleasure. Great for the beginning and growth.
When used toward others it can incite jealousy , greed, and disharmony.

 

[truthseeker019821837]

Analysis: T*a*e*h*y*u*n*g (Part 1 of 3)​

[Disclaimer: the following is pure speculation and a collection of observation. Do not take this as fact.]​

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It seems like there are nine main phrases or words that are prominent in the image, namely:
1. To Die Would Be An Awfully Big Adventure
2. Spread Your Wings
3. Your Oldest Fear is the Worst One
4. Abraxas (inverted)
5. Youth Youth
6. The Wings
7. Lust for Life
8. Never Mind
9. XxX

I've tried to link each one to a particular song or concept but I'll need to break it up into 3 different sections to be able to add all the images and links.

Abraxes -BST (Korean vs. Japanese version)
I rewatched both versions of the song and only noticed now how jarring the contrast between Vee's character is from one version to the other. This contrast is also personified in the difference between his aesthetics i.e. almost platinum blonde vs. dark hair, blue contacts vs.natural brown eyes:
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It seems like a play on duality, light vs. dark. In the Japanese version, Ta3 also seems drugged (or dissociated) in the beginning, the camera effects emphasise the almost trance-like state he appears to be in. In the Korean BST, he seems much sharper, he has focus and direction and knows exactly what he is doing. The nature of the "betrayal" is also interesting. In the Korean version, it seems like Ta3 is "evil" from the start, he seems to lead J1n into temptation and eventual sin. In the Japanese version however, his interaction with J1n is far more direct, violent and impulsive. Where the BST Korean version seemed to be about the lust and allure of deals with the devils, the Japanese version shows the flipside to that -the harsh cruel reality. Ta3 also clearly takes on the role of Abraxas, the "tempter" and "link to the second world", as seen when he "grows" his wings and reveals himself.
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This leads me to believe that the Vee in the Korean version is actually not Ta3, but an alter. It may be a personal observation and others may disagree, but there is something different about the boys when they don the contacts and light hair, something that makes me feel uncomfortable for reasons I can't explain really. It was this alter persona that is linked with the demon Abraxas, and it was this demonic persona that betrayed J1n. The only main consistancy between Vee from the two versions is when he is covered by the veil.

The Veil of Separation
"Today a veil still separates us from the spirit realms. To most of us, this veil seems impenetrable. It seems to block us from direct, conscious contact with Spirit. So we often refer to it as “the veil of separation.” In fact, no actual curtain, wall, door, or mist exists between us and Spirit. The veil is a metaphor representing our belief that we are separate from Spirit. It is an illusion we created for various reasons. But even though it is an illusion, it holds our perception of physical reality in place. Most of us still believe the physical “reality” is the only reality that exists, because the veil blocks our view of the spirit realms that lie beyond it."
Source: www.spirit-quest.net/2011/09/veil-that-separates-us-from-spirit.html

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This goes with my theory that the Korean version of BST represents the spiritual component of temptation while the Japanese version represents the physical manifestation of consequence as many of the members seem lost, dissociated or distressed -and Ta3 is indeed the "link to the second [world]".

Spread Your Wings -Singularity
One of the most noticeable things about this music video is the use of colour. Again, there is a constant contrast between cutscenes of red and blue, black and white and light and shadow. The most telling aspect of this video is the dance with the masks. Ta3 seems to have full control over them, able to manpiulate them to move whichever way he likes. At one point, they take on the following formation behind him:
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They look like spread wings. It's already been mentioned that the masks most likely represent different alter personalities of which Ta3 seems to have many. It fits in with his personality profile, or at least what we can make of it. Someone did an amateur psychological evaluation of Ta3's personality. Here is a bit of what she said:

"He’s also called an alien for so many outrageous reasons, but I’ll never call him alien again because he himself told us that he doesn’t want to be called alien. Personally, I’ve never seen such interesting, eccentric, and unique person like our Taehyung. He has the body and looks of a 20 year old, a voice of a 50 year old, and a mind and behavior of a 5 year old. He’s like the most immature among the members and he acts more like the maknae of BTS than Jungkook."
Full blogpost: https://maryloveskorea.wordpress.com/2016/09/24/my-personality-analysis-for-bts-members/

The reason I added this is because it ties in to his BT*21 character of T@ta. Not only is the character an "alien", but the profile in the video @ShiningCarat14 posted to the thread has the #supernatural word in T@ta's newspaper cut-out as he uses some kind of space gun to change random characters in front of him into other things. Again, Ta3 seems to have the ability to summon these alters at will. The video also says he "accidentally fell to Earth", which is an obvious reference to the fallen angel trope -another nod to Abraxas.

Definition of singularity:

plural singularities

Something that is singular such as
a) a separate unit
b) an unusual or distinctive manner or behaviour

Both meanings apply to the song, video and the character of T@ta. I think the Ta3 we see in the MV for Singularity is in fact the core alter, his singular and original unit of being. Ta3 was also mentioned to be somewhat distanced from the rest of the group on occassion, a singular persona. Likewise, T@ta is also usually separated from the rest of the characters:
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And for the second meaning, of course Ta3's personality is considered a singularity even within the group as he is commonly labelled "the weird one". The alien. Other things that further alienate Vee from the rest of the group is the fact that he was the hidden member. His name also stands as distinctive, the single letter "V".

“My stage name was chosen last. Six, Lex, V. Those three names were suggested but the members and PD all said that V fit me the best and so I picked V to stand for victory.”

-Taeh*yung on his stage name. Source: https://btsdiary.com/facts/v/​

"The letter V in a dream represents choice, options, or doing whatever you want. The two opposing directions symbolize your ability to choose exactly how you want something to be. V is the 22nd letter of the alphabet and in numerology 22 represents confidently confronting your problems. 22 is also a very powerful number because it's also reflects the 22 degree halo phenomenon where the sun looks like an angels halo."
Source: www.dreambible.com/dreamdictionary/v.html

Ta3's character throughout the overarching storyline is often linked to choices, conflicts and confrontations. And again, the link between an angel's halo and a fallen angel (or demon Abraxas).

XxX -Vow of Silence, V@N
Everyone already knows that the XXX stands for "666" or the mark of the beast. But there are other meanings as well for the symbol "X":

"X expresses the union of two things, as crossed swords or keys in heraldry, which testifies of alliances, and oaths and secrets kept between two people or a person and an organization or a god. It also has the connotation of sexual union, the crossing of bloodlines, or also the union of species or dimensions (the alien from another planet). X as the terminus - marked as to delete, cancel or blot - to close (dialog box or window) - marks the end of a conversation . To name oneself with an X or an ex- is to self-annihilate. It can be destruction for the purpose of creation. A phoenix rises out of the X's. A person reborn as an identity without limitation, without restrictions, without moral code. That's the transformation imagined by creators of comic-book and movie heroes."

" X's for eyes indicates death - skull and crossbones is an X and symbol of deadly poison like XXX - sign of a life-death oath “cross my heart and hope to die”
Source: http://theopenscroll.com/theEsotericLetterX.htm
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I believe the V@n robot represents their handlers, their manager or even the industry as a whole.

“My stage name was chosen last. Six, Lex, V. Those three names were suggested but the members and PD all said that V fit me the best and so I picked V to stand for victory.” -Taeh*yung on his stage name. Source: https://btsdiary.com/facts/v/

​

Six, Lex, V.

b4ng in charge of names
Six - we know the significance of that
V- we also know the hidden meaning
Lex?
What could lex mean ?

Spoiler: V // VAN

Spoiler: V // VAN

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/829857492519702528

 

[nad]

Only someone of us have made actual theories (don't take it as facts : defamation is only when things are taken as fact and proof )
If we were accusing them of anything we would have been taken out a long time ago (on the web)
You don't know what's really going on behind the scenes do you ?
We are here to theorize about things if not anything including topics that doesn't concern the boys (movie comparison with mvs,signification of flower in mvs,etc...)
Idk where you heard about grandma sacrifice and stuff like that
We are concerned for them bc of all the evil things surrounding them it's a normal reaction
(personally i wasn't a fan nor a hater i'm neutral but still feel concerned for those people)
Stop derailing the thread and accusing everyone of their theories because no one said that what we are talking about is the truth
On that have a good day ~

You know - if you share theories openly - it could be considered as rumors. In my country anyone could be sued for "theories" if the victim/subject consider it as defamation that bother him. You can't hide behind the word "theory" forever. "Theories" are not as harmless as you think.
About grandmas/member sacrifice - I've seen it in this exact forum, an all old/established members know what I'm talking about.
You shouldn't be concerned for boys - they chose their career/path themselves and now grown adult people/maybe way older than you - to keep the choice.
Whatever they choose in life - it's only their own business. We should mind our own business. Strangers (that maybe never ever seen them in life) shouldn't be concerned for any their choice. The don't need you anonymous ""care""/"concern". Let people live their life and take consequences whatever it is.
""All the evil things surrounding them"" - only in your eyes that could be subjective and wrong. Not in their /my eyes.

 

[truthseeker019821837]

\/ /\ /\/
(the handler)
(edit: or the "light bringer" "bringer of dawn", for the morning star. aka Lucifer -cr. Bae Yeon Hee)
[Disclaimer: the following is pure speculation and a collection of observation. Do not take this as fact.]
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• V`an represent the handler here he is holding the slate that directors use in movie. He is the one who controls behind the scenes and triggers when the "actors" will play the role. And is responsible for saying 'action or cut'.

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• Van is big his size could be indication of his power over the other characters. V`an is frequently seen looming or behind the other characters as if he is watching their every move.

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• Van also has the ability to split his head into two (mind splitting). And he develops 2 horns.
• His one eye is indication to one eye of Horus X-O
• His black and white duality

• Van is a space robot thus has no capability to feel. The elites are known to be cold-blooded/unempathetic thats why they are capable of various evil acts regardless of consequence.

• V`an 's face is inside the pyramid of the `lluminati in this photo. Saturn and lightning are also symbols that refer to the devil

 

[hrosies]

You know - if you share theories openly - it could be considered as rumors. In my country anyone could be sued for "theories" if the victim/subject consider it as defamation that bother him. You can't hide behind the word "theory" forever. "Theories" are not as harmless as you think.
About grandmas/member sacrifice - I've seen it in this exact forum, an all old/established members know what I'm talking about.
You shouldn't be concerned for boys - they chose their career/path themselves and now grown adult people/maybe way older than you - to keep the choice.
Whatever they choose in life - it's only their own business. We should mind our own business. Strangers (that maybe never ever seen them in life) shouldn't be concerned for any their choice. The don't need you anonymous ""care""/"concern". Let people live their life and take consequences whatever it is.
""All the evil things surrounding them"" - only in your eyes that could be subjective and wrong. Not in their /my eyes.

So, you’re telling US to not worry about them but here YOU are worrying about some theories, and acting like BT$ are affected and care. You’re also saying to let people live their lives, while here you are trying to control ours. Why are you trying to make a point when all you’re saying is hypocrisy?

 

[Lunatic]

Whatever they choose in life - it's only their own business. We should mind our own business. .

Lol take your own advice and get the f*ck off this forum for the love of god or gods, whatever it is your agnostic and indecisive ass worships. Better yet, please go to twitter and cry about strangers picking on BTS with the rest of crybaby ARMYs. Ya'll are annoying af that you guys even have to find a way to whine on boards that aren't for K-Pop stanning but rather for CONSPIRACY THEORIES that's being discussed and rightfully so.

This isn't twitter or onehallyu. Be gone.

 

[Bae Yeon Hee]

You know - if you share theories openly - it could be considered as rumors. In my country anyone could be sued for "theories" if the victim/subject consider it as defamation that bother him. You can't hide behind the word "theory" forever. "Theories" are not as harmless as you think.
About grandmas/member sacrifice - I've seen it in this exact forum, an all old/established members know what I'm talking about.
You shouldn't be concerned for boys - they chose their career/path themselves and now grown adult people/maybe way older than you - to keep the choice.
Whatever they choose in life - it's only their own business. We should mind our own business. Strangers (that maybe never ever seen them in life) shouldn't be concerned for any their choice. The don't need you anonymous ""care""/"concern". Let people live their life and take consequences whatever it is.
""All the evil things surrounding them"" - only in your eyes that could be subjective and wrong. Not in their /my eyes.

Oh I so have to comment on this.
"Strangers (that maybe never ever seen them in life) shouldn't be concerned for any their choice. The don't need you anonymous ""care""/"concern". Let people live their life and take consequences whatever it is." So they don't need yours/ARMYs care or concern about reporting anything negative said about them as a consequence of fame and being a celeb is negative comments, rumors and threats, a CHOICE THEY MADE TO BE APART OF. Just like in our eyes these things are just speculation and theories and in yours they're bad. Chew on that for awhile.

 

[nad]

Lol take your own advice and get the f*ck off this forum for the love of god or gods, whatever it is your agnostic and indecisive ass worships. Better yet, please go to twitter and cry about strangers picking on BTS with the rest of crybaby ARMYs. Ya'll are annoying af that you guys even have to find a way to whine on boards that aren't for K-Pop stanning but rather for CONSPIRACY THEORIES that's being discussed and rightfully so.

I will not leave. Sorry, you rude baby - you are not my market segment. I write my post not for you but for lurkers and another more open-minded (and kind of more polite) people.
What I meant by "let people live their life" - that you shouldn't hide you being anti behind ""worrying for BTS"", ""concern for BTS"" - these grown men don't need ""concern"" from anti.

 

[Lunatic]

I will not leave. Sorry, you rude baby - you are not my market segment. I write my post not for you but for lurkers and another more open-minded (and kind of more polite) people.
What I meant by "let people live their life" - that you shouldn't hide you being anti behind ""worrying for BTS"", ""concern for BTS"" - these grown men don't need ""concern"" from anti.

I AM A LURKER. You say you're open minded yet you're on a conspiracy theory forum negating everyone's THEORIES while defending those boys like every other ARMY because you can't fathom anything negative being said about them and paint everyone as anti's because of it, right????

BTS doesn't need your concern either. They couldn't give 2 sh*ts about the people on this forum or you so stop looking for attention and crying about it on here and concerning yourself with conversations that have nothing to do with you.

 

[Delacourf]

You know - if you share theories openly - it could be considered as rumors. In my country anyone could be sued for "theories" if the victim/subject consider it as defamation that bother him. You can't hide behind the word "theory" forever. "Theories" are not as harmless as you think.
About grandmas/member sacrifice - I've seen it in this exact forum, an all old/established members know what I'm talking about.
You shouldn't be concerned for boys - they chose their career/path themselves and now grown adult people/maybe way older than you - to keep the choice.
Whatever they choose in life - it's only their own business. We should mind our own business. Strangers (that maybe never ever seen them in life) shouldn't be concerned for any their choice. The don't need you anonymous ""care""/"concern". Let people live their life and take consequences whatever it is.
""All the evil things surrounding them"" - only in your eyes that could be subjective and wrong. Not in their /my eyes.

It's a free web, we can write what we want. Haven't u realised yet? Nobody's care for your opinion here. You can stay here and post another 100 messages here, but you still pointless. Nobody's care what in your eyes, I dont't think bts even have time to check your crazy tweets about them, they don't know about existence of this forum lol. You can defend their psychological condition as much as u want, but you better take care of your

 

[Delacourf]

I like my men to look like men, not prettier than me. Once BS&T came out they more feminity came out as well.

True

 

[Delacourf]

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This?

Spoiler: CUTE PRINCESS JAMAL

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Nice observations...
The masonic floor does it... they really are a part of it. I feel like their old videos have a lot of subliminal...
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Is it me or does the masonic floors look like hypnotic bathroom floors?

Not this one))) There was of photo of him on mama or any other award show, he had more makeup than I wear

 

[Cocomj]

Analysis: T*A*E*H*Y*U*N*G (part 2 of 3)
[Disclaimer: the following is pure speculation and a collection of observation. Do not take this as fact.]
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In the first part I discussed three of the nine elements in the image from Ta3's Stigma performance. The last song I discussed was Singularity. I linked it to the written phrase "Spread Your Wings" and Ta3's multiple alters (represented by the masks in the music video that took the shape of spread wings behind him). I also find it interesting that that particular phrase was written in the same pane as the inverted "past pain". I'm sure everyone here has seen the fantastic posts made by other users about MK Ultra and their process of splitting the mind and creating different personas or alters in their victims. This is commonly done through mental abuse, physical torture and sexual ritual abuse -thus, these multiple personalities are birthed from pain. Torture = Alters, therefore Past pain = Spread Wings.

The Wings -Stigma
Firstly, I have to give props to whoever their creative team is, they planned these songs and music videos very cleverly with all the hints and references to future projects.
And the choreography just perfectly places Ta3 in center focus with the song's name in view. Such a coincidence.
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Anyway, Ta3's short story opens with him carving something into a wall. When the camera closes in, we see that he is indeed carving the name "Abraxas". Even though Ta3 has his dark hair and natural eyes that seem to indicate a human persona, the presence of the demon is still made known.
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Additionally, the knife he using to do this looks like the one he sported in the BST Japanese version in this scene where he goes up the stairs after beating J1n.
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Note the recurring strong green colour in the first scene of Stigma (Ta3's jacket, the lighting and graffiti), and the strong green lighting in the background of the scene from BST, as well as the green ceiling lights in the No More Dream MV. This will be important later on. Another important detail to remember for later is that Ta3 is wearing a Nirvana shirt in the MV for Stigma and a point is made to show it blatently to the camera before he gets arrested.

When Ta3 runs into the spotlight a bit later, he is wearing a white shirt. It's blank, no print. In the MV for Singularity, he also wears a white shirt in the scene where he manipulates the masks, or alters. I said in the first part that I think Ta3 in that MV was his core alter. He wears the exact same shirt in the spotlight scene in Stigma which is why I believe this is his core personality again. The one that looks distressed and sad and is beat up by some unseen force to the point of bruising and bleeding, perhaps indicating the pain his real self endured in order to induce the mind split (and later to welcome Abraxas).
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We then see two cutscenes, one of the injured Ta3 being visited by (a very adorable) white puppy, and another Ta3 who is seen with his abusive father. Note how the Ta3 playing with the puppy wears white, while the one in the other scene wears all-black. Ta3 is also seen cutting his hair. I think that the puppy represents not only innocence, but again his true self. The person he was before being exposed to whatever it is that goes on behind the scenes. After a while, a cage comes down. I think the cage is symbolic for mind control Note how Ta3 pulls the puppy close to his chest, as though he is trying to protect him. This could show how victims fight to hold on to themselves through the trauma.
Eventually the puppy leaves and Ta3 is alone in the cage -he has dissociated and lost his true self.
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Ta3 is also shown being interrogated. The set up of the scene is interesting, the balance of both characters makes it almost perfectly symmetrical . . . like a reflection. Like the lyrics of his song, Ta3 seems to regret something deeply as he reflects on something horrible he did or caused. He is forced to face the consequence of his actions, represented by his interrogator. As he faces his actions, he faces himself.
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Ta3 asks for his phone call which we can assume made to R*M. And what was the name of R*M's Wings solo? Reflection. Why did I include that under this section? The lyrics "I wish I could love myself" was also noticed to be on the image used in Ta3's performance in the same pane as the words "The Wings".

Definition of stigma:

plural stigmata

a) archaic: a scar left by a hot iron
b) a mark of shame or discredit
c) an identifying mark or characteristic ; specifically, a diagnostic sign of a disease or sickness (kind of important)

The first definition is relevant because Ta3 not only is beaten up to the point of injury in the MV, but also within the context of the lyrics:


Deeper, deeper, the wound just gets deeper

Like pieces of broken glass that I can’t reverse

Deeper, it’s just the heart that hurts every day

(You) who was punished in my stead,

You who were only delicate and fragile


The Ta3 in this MV is very different to the Ta3 in BST. This is where the second definition comes in. This one seems to regret something deeply and to feel shame to the point of despair. This is because his core alter can't reconcile the actions of his other alters -when he is himself, the guilt of what he did when under the influence of the other personas consumes him. A possible reason is that Mk Ultra victims are said to have alters that do not know each other. They may not remember what they did when their different personas were triggered, but in the case of the core alter breaking through, they need to be reprogrammed. Hence the blonde hair in BST.

Finally, the last definition is that of an identifying mark or characteristic. Ta3 seems to be made to stand out in many of their videos and concepts, he seems to be separated from the group and made to stand on his own as a single unit -a singularity.

Conclusion on Colour Usage: Why the Colour Green is Important
Remember that the colour green was used in the opening scene of Stigma, the knife scene in BST and the lighting scheme of No More Dream when Ta3 is at the center. Green seems to be associated with something ominous that causes Ta3's stigma, the reason for his wings.


"What’s fascinating is that as positive as most of our associations with green are, it carries particular potent negative connotations as well. Someone who feels sick might look “green around the gills,” and certain yellow-gray greens have a distinctly unpleasant, institutional feel to them. We link green with envy and with greed, and even the Mr. Yuck sticker intended to warn children away from potentially hazardous chemicals is a bright, eye-catching green.

Green is the color of the Heart Chakra, also known as Anahata. This chakra is located at the center of the chest area and is linked to the heart, lungs, circulatory system, cardiac plexus, and the complete chest area. The Heart Chakra bridges the gap between the physical and spiritual worlds."
Source: www.sensationalcolor.com/clor-meaning/color-meaning-symbolism-psychology/all-about-the-color-green-4309#.Wz_PUkxuLIU

So here we have a connection between the third definition of the word "stigma" and the colour green. Again, there is belief in certain circles about green representing the link between the spiritual and physical world -a concept explored thoroughly in BST. Ta3 however is not the only character who has a connection to the colour green. Note some of the others:

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Nevermind
So remember that "Nevermind" was also written on the board. This is the name of a Nirvana album (remember Ta3's shirt) and has been a recurring reference in several BT$ MVs.

"Nevermind is the second studio album by American rock band Nirvana, released on September 24, 1991. Produced by Butch Vig, Nevermind was Nirvana's first release on DGC Records and the first album to feature drummer Dave Grohl. Despite low commercial expectations, Nevermind became a surprise success, largely due to the popularity of its first single, "Smells Like Teen Spirit". By January 11, 1992, it had replaced Michael Jackson's album Dangerous at number one on the US Billboard 200 chart. The album also produced three other successful singles: "Come As You Are", "Lithium", and "In Bloom"."
Source: Wikipedia

All four of the hit singles contain weird lyrics that seem linked to violence or decisions that would later cause regret. Some of the dark lyrics:

Smells Like Teen Spirit
Load up on guns, bring your friends
It's fun to lose and to pretend
She's overboard and self-assured
Oh no, I know a dirty word

Hello, hello, hello, hello
Hello, hello, hello,how low?
Hello, hello, hello, how low?
Hello, hello, hello low low?
Hello, hello, hello
With the lights out it's less dangerous
Here we are now, entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
Here we are now, entertain us

I'm worse at what I do best
And for this gift I feel blessed
Our little group has always been
And always will until the end

And I forget, just why I taste
Oh yeah, I guess it makes me smile
I found it hard, it's hard to find
Oh well, whatever, nevermind

(Chorus)

A denial (x4)

Come As You Are

Come as you are
As you were
As I want you to be
As a friend, as a friend
As an old enemy
Take your time
Hurry Up
The choice is yours
Don't be late
Take a rest
As a friend
As an old memoria (the word basically means "in memory of" someone usually who has passed into oblivion . . . the core alter?)

(chorus)

And I swear that I don't have a gun
No, I don't have a gun (x2)

Lithium

I'm so happy
Çause today I found my friends
They're in my head (different personalities due to MK Ultra)
I'm so ugly ("I wish I could love myself")
That's okay çause so are you
Broke our mirrors (reflection, shattering glass in Stigma lyrics)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm so lonely (Ta3 alone in the cage)
And I'm not sad and just maybe
I'm to blame for all I've heard (theme of Stigma)
I'm not sure, I'm so excited (stark contrast -again different alters, dissociation)

I like it, I'm not gonna crack
I miss you, I'm not gonna crack
I love you, I'm not gonna crack
I killed you, I'm not gonna crack
I like it, I'm not gonna crack

In Bloom

Sell the kids for food (were they sold into the industry?)
Weather changes moods
Spring is here again (green once again is representative of spring)
Reproductive glands
He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing alone
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he
Knows not what it means
Knows not what it means
When I say "yeah"

We can have some more
Nature is a whore
Bruises on the fruit
Tender age in bloom

And that is basically all the lyrics, it just repeats itself again.

One last thing, compare the design of the character V@n from b*21 to a cover for a Nirvana album:
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Why are your theories so good omg :'0
If we follow your thing abt the heart chakra for Jmn and One eye fly boi you can literally say that in Bst :
Jmn is crying his heart out and One eye fly boi is trying to fill a void of pain (?)

 

[Bae Yeon Hee]

\/ /\ /\/​

(the handler)​

[Disclaimer: the following is pure speculation and a collection of observation. Do not take this as fact.]​

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• V`an represent the handler here he is holding the slate that directors use in movie. He is the one who controls behind the scenes and triggers when the "actors" will play the role. And is responsible for saying 'action or cut'.

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• Van is big his size could be indication of his power over the other characters. V`an is frequently seen looming or behind the other characters as if he is watching their every move.

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• Van also has the ability to split his head into two (mind splitting). And he develops 2 horns.
• His one eye is indication to one eye of Horus X-O
• His black and white duality

• Van is a space robot thus has no capability to feel. The elites are known to be cold-blooded/unempathetic thats why they are capable of various evil acts regardless of consequence.

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• V`an 's face is inside the pyramid of the `lluminati in this photo.

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Not only V@ns face is in the triangle but you also have the lightning bolt and saturn, both symbols for lucifer/satan.

 

[1shae123]

I really wanna know who V'an represents. :/

 

[truthseeker019821837]

Not only V@ns face is in the triangle but you also have the lightning bolt and saturn, both symbols for lucifer/satan.

Thanks I missed that one
[I may have a triangle or fly bias]

I really wanna know who V'an represents. :/

Me too, I guess its someone who controls the strings behind the scenes (BT$) or bey0nd the scenes

And what's V`an relation to T`ata? (seems like they're together most of the time...)

 

[Bae Yeon Hee]

Thanks I missed that one
[I may have a triangle or fly bias]

I feel like V@n is not a handler. V@n is who protects them, he is black and white, has the one eye and horn. He represents something that isn't seen. I see him more as the devil. In occultism, lucifer is who they see as the protector.

 

[Cocomj]

You know - if you share theories openly - it could be considered as rumors. In my country anyone could be sued for "theories" if the victim/subject consider it as defamation that bother him. You can't hide behind the word "theory" forever. "Theories" are not as harmless as you think.
About grandmas/member sacrifice - I've seen it in this exact forum, an all old/established members know what I'm talking about.
You shouldn't be concerned for boys - they chose their career/path themselves and now grown adult people/maybe way older than you - to keep the choice.
Whatever they choose in life - it's only their own business. We should mind our own business. Strangers (that maybe never ever seen them in life) shouldn't be concerned for any their choice. The don't need you anonymous ""care""/"concern". Let people live their life and take consequences whatever it is.
""All the evil things surrounding them"" - only in your eyes that could be subjective and wrong. Not in their /my eyes.

In your country maybe but not in mine
Rumours ?!? Are you serious rn ?
We are only talking in between a small group of people
You come in here and keep derailing our conversations
In my country this is called harassment
(I know the law and i see what you are trying to do )
Have we ever talked to those dudes ?
No...
Are we the ones talking to them day and night to talk about our little problems when they have to work 20 hrs a day ?
You are...
We are in between in each other
Never went on twitter or instagram or any social platform but this website
We never harassed the boys,bothered them or talk with them
And i'm sorry to have a heart but i am concern for each person who might go through abuse (detected or not ) famous or non famous people
I know that they choose their career path i'm not dumb
(What's age got to do with anything ?)
I'm minding my own business i'm just here talking about everything with other people
In case you haven't seen i barely even talk about the boys
I just state my opinion abt theories
And sure it's not evil at all to have fallen angels and reference to books that actual murderers had in their possession
It's not only in my eyes you know
I'll let you be now
Goodbye

 

[Cocomj]

Lol take your own advice and get the f*ck off this forum for the love of god or gods, whatever it is your agnostic and indecisive ass worships. Better yet, please go to twitter and cry about strangers picking on BTS with the rest of crybaby ARMYs. Ya'll are annoying af that you guys even have to find a way to whine on boards that aren't for K-Pop stanning but rather for CONSPIRACY THEORIES that's being discussed and rightfully so.

This isn't twitter or onehallyu. Be gone.

The hypocrisy is real
Also exactly