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sugababy said:
Based on how each of the events cOinCiDeNtaLLy links to each other, i'm sure that the entire smeraldo flower thing is a made up story that bi9hit have prepared since the debut and BT$ are using the flower to deliver messages related to the truth they're hiding:
  • White flowers represent their true selves, they're hiding who they actually are with "blue paint" (fake personality) so everyone would see them as stood out, unique, and likeable people. Smeraldo flower references can be seen in the OUTRO: HER lyrics.
  • White flowers represent purity, innocence, and sincerity. Staining them with paint means that they're no longer pure and innocent. In one of the MVs we could also see j1n setting fire on white flower petals, meaning they've burnt their true personality and anything related to their past selves to become someone new.




  • White flowers represent mourn and transience (they could be mourning over the loss of beloved ones, or the death of their true selves). Painting white flowers in blue is to hide the sorrows and carry on as if nothing happened. Again, it can be seen in OUTRO: HER lyrics.

LILY: A REMARKABLE FLOWER BURSTING WITH SYMBOLISM

If there's one flower that’s bursting with symbolism, it's the lily. Amiability, purity, love, fertility, femininity, unity and transience; it represents all of them.
FEMININITY
It's the shape, the variety of colours, and the sweet scent in particular that make the lily the ideal symbol of femininity. That meaning dates back many centuries to ancient Egypt. Greek and Roman brides were often given a crown of lilies in the hope of a pure and fruitful life.
LOVE
It was really 'not done' to express emotions in the uptight Victorian era. But then how could people tell one another how they felt? A secret language was found to be the solution. By giving every flower a particular meaning, they created the language of flowers: floriography. The Romans used lilies to fill pillows and quilts because of its lovely scent. Lilies thereby became the source of the fragrance of love. If a lady was given this sweet-scented flower, she knew: 'This is my lover'.
PURITY
You've probably noticed that white lilies are often used at weddings. The reason for this is that - in Christianity at least - white lilies symbolise virginity and purity. The white lily is therefore also known as the Madonna lily. And you may also have noticed that the lily is often depicted as a religious symbol in conjunction with the Virgin Mary.
TRANSIENCE
Flowers are not just a good way of expressing emotions when we are happy and cheerful. Flowers also enable us to say things without words at times of loss and mourning. Lilies are often used at funerals; the serene, pure look of the flower is very much in keeping with such occasions.



WHITE ROSE
Sometimes called "the flower of light", one of the meanings of white roses is everlasting love - love stronger than death, an eternal love, undying and all sustaining. White rose speaks of a love that is sustained more by loyalty, reverence and humility than by red-blooded passion. So, in its capacity to worship someone till death, the meaning of a white rose is unchanging loyalty that endures beyond all else.
The white bouquet has been a tradition since Queen Victoria's wedding in l840. It was in this romantic era that gentlemen started sending flowers to their lady friends to denote special meanings. The white rose is the queen of the bridal bouquet.
Here, the meaning of a white rose is something different altogether. A virgin carrying the white roses seeks to assure her loved one of her purity and innocence. Untarnished and untainted - the white rose is the bride on her wedding day. In the "language of the flowers" the meaning of white roses is "I am worthy of you". The meaning of the white rose will not be lost on a groom when he sees his bride's eyes filled with unchanging love and loyalty, a promise to stand by him through all.
A white rosebud seeks to convey a different shade of meaning. It speaks of youthful ignorance, and innocence. "I am too young to be loved", the white rosebud proudly proclaims to the world. Girlhood, immature in the ways of the world, an age that is as pure and fresh as spring, are what the white rosebud denotes. Beauty, youth and a heart innocent of love are some of the meanings of a white rose bud.
The most famous meanings of the white rose arise from mythology. Many of these surround Aphrodite (Venus) as Goddess of love. She sprang forth into life from the foaming sea, and where the foam fell to the ground, white roses grew.
This and later myths about Aphrodite display the dual nature of love: purity and innocence represented by white roses; desire and sexual gratification by red ones. In one story she runs to help her wounded lover Adonis and catches her flesh on the thorns of the white rose bush. Her blood falling on the bush turns the roses red, symbolizing the way innocence and purity change to experience and motherhood.



WHITE ORCHID
White orchids are rich with symbolic meaning. From the Aztecs and Ancient Greeks to Victorians, white orchids have been more than just pleasing decorations. Their shape led some cultures to associate them with virility while others associated the flowers with beauty and refinement.
More than 25,000 species of orchids have been identified. Many of these exotic blooms come in white varieties. Angraecum orchids, which have an unusual star shape, primarily are white. Other white orchids have a touch of other colors. These orchids sometimes are referred to as pansy orchids because their coloring resembles that of pansies. Regardless of the type of white orchid, the meanings associated with the flowers remains the same.
Ancient Greeks associated the flowers with virility, and Greek women fed large tubers to their husbands to produce male children. In ancient China, Confucius compared virtuous people to the orchid because both shared the characteristics of a perfectly cultured being, including refinement and humility.
White orchids primarily grow in tropical areas and the Far East. This meant transporting them to Europe was costly -- particularly during the 19th century. As a result, only wealthy people could afford to purchase them during the Victorian era. This economic reality led to orchids being associated with wealth, luxury and refinement as well as exotic and rare beauty. The Victorians were not the only privileged people to treasure the flower; the royalty of ancient Japan also considered them symbolic of wealth.
Although white orchids no longer are associated with virility and are not a decoration only for the wealthy, they have not lost symbolic significance. Today, white orchids represent a number of things, including hope. White orchids also represent innocence and purity because of their color.
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Great articles.. Thanks for sharing
 
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mamuta1990 said:
Young lady, I'm not here to "spill any secrets". Did you even read AND FULLY UNDERSTAND my first posting? No? Then read it again, please.
Well, Thelema isn't a secret society, we're very open people compared to other "cults".
T.w.i.a.s. is...I don't want to sully her good reputation, so I will remain silent...for now. :)
My only duty is to protect our members, she isn't part of us anymore. It wasn't very difficult to find out who she is.
I'm only here to read your analysis (which are very informative and amusing tbh!) and messing with t.w.i.a.s. a little bit. I won't bother you, I promise. :)
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We're here to share what we found and talk about it, why are you here? To make fun of our religion and threaten someone cause they're not part of your cult anymore, but you're all good people in there?? How does that make any sense?

Funny how I've heard Templiers and Freemasons say they're not a secret society, when they clearly are. I already know this. Secret societies don't like to call themselves that anymore cause it's suspicious and people won't want to join. When you can't freely talk about what you do and what you're taught when you join a society it makes it secret. By logic. So it is. Otherwise you wouldn't be forbidden to share. Wasn't Thelema founded by Crawley? Isn't that enough proof that you're part of an evil society? Isn't this cult based on a book he wrote some entity apparently dictate him? Doesn't he have a biographical book called The eye of the triangle? Yeah, don't need more information.

I wasn't going to reply in the first place but if you're here to tell people to joing your cult and say bad things about Christianity this is not the place for you.
 
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[Disclaimer: the following is once again, pure speculation and a collection of observation. Do not take this as fact.]
Oh man, guys this bomb has a subliminal o_O
I won't say what it is ( DM me if you want to know or can't figure it out) but if you look at the image
And how D1snay do their subliminal you'll see
So my hints:
*Look at it from different angles
*Look at the shape (top, middle, bottom), colour
*Look at the middle (the door)
*Look at the handle
**overall look at the image in parts then as a whole
*Think about what is the highest form of magick (for them)
Thats what I think....
and I'm gonna say:eek:
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Cottoncandy said:
We're here to share what we found and talk about it, why are you here? To make fun of our religion and threaten someone cause they're not part of your cult anymore, but you're all good people in there?? How does that make any sense?

Funny how I've heard Templiers and Freemasons say they're not a secret society, when they clearly are. I already know this. Secret societies don't like to call themselves that anymore cause it's suspicious and people won't want to join. When you can't freely talk about what you do and what you're taught when you join a society it makes it secret. By logic. So it is. Otherwise you wouldn't be forbidden to share. Wasn't Thelema founded by Crawley? Isn't that enough proof that you're part of an evil society? Isn't this cult based on a book he wrote some entity apparently dictate him? Doesn't he have a biographical book called The eye of the triangle? Yeah, don't need more information.

I wasn't going to reply in the first place but if you're here to tell people to joing your cult and say bad things about Christianity this is not the place for you.
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This person is just a hypocrite. Actually it is we are bad cs we do not respect their choices to r*pe children and do sacrifices. These occult lovers people with no any logical responses can't even defend their own statements and views without lying and blaming others in rejection look at evil things with open mind.
Seems he/she has a little break between reading satanic books and raping childreen so he came here to threat a person who doesn't want to be a part of his/her super free and intellectual cult anymore :C
 
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[Disclaimer: the following is once again, pure speculation and a collection of observation. Do not take this as fact. :)]

Do you guys remember the interview in which the interviewer mentioned that some people are comparing BT$'s meteoric rise and influence to that of the Beatles?

Here it is.

I want to start off by first comparing the groups overall. While BT$ has obviously not been around long enough to have as large an effect on the world as the Beatles did, there are a few striking similarities.

Musical styles and cultural influence
The Beatles: "Former Rolling Stone associate editor Robert Greenfield compared the Beatles to Picasso, as "artists who broke through the constraints of their time period to come up with something that was unique and original ... n the form of popular music, no one will ever be more revolutionary, more creative and more distinctive ..." The British poet Phillip Larkin described their work as "an enchanting and intoxicating hybrid of Negro rock-and-roĺl with their own adolescent romanticism". They not only sparked the British Invasion of the US, they became a globally influential phenomenon as well.The Beatles are regarded as British cultural icons, with young adults from abroad naming the band among a group of people that they most associated with UK culture. From what began as the Beatlemania fad, the group's popularity grew into what was seen as an embodiment of sociocultural movements of the decade. As icons of the 1960s counterculture, Gould continues, they became a catalyst for bohemianism and activism in various social and political arenas, fuelling movements such as women's liberation, gay liberation and environmentalism. According to Peter Lavezzoli, after the "more popular than Jesus" controversy in 1966, the Beatles felt considerable pressure to say the right things and "began a concerted effort to spread a message of wisdom and higher consciousness".


BT$: "BTS co-writes and produces much of their output, which some media outlets have attributed for their success. The group's early musical style and image was influenced by hip hop, as seen in "N.O." and "No More Dream".They later branched out into R&B and rock music with "Danger" and "Boy in Luv". The members' solo songs in Wings incorporated a diverse range of genres, with neo soul for V's "Stigma", gospel for J-Hope's "Mama" and piano-rap for Suga's "First Love". BTS has been complimented for "speak[ing] honestly about topics they deem important, even in a conservative society" by Jeff Benjamin from Fuse Magazine. Tamar Herman from Billboard magazine noted that the septet often have recurring themes in their materials. Their "school trilogy" series - 2 Cool 4 Skool (2013), O!RUL8,2? (2013), and Skool Luv Affair (2014) – explored "the troubles and anxieties of school-age youth.". "Not Today" from You Never Walk Alone has an anti-establishment anthem, with messages advocating for minority groups while Wings (2016) touched upon mental health and female empowerment."
Source: Wikipedia

Right, so just to unpack this a little, it's clear that there are some similarities with regard to how not only their music, but their sociocultural influence has been perceived. Both BT$ and the Beatles have produced music that is considered eclectic in style and draws on a variety of similar genres. No big deal, many artists have done this. But look at the social messages encoded in their music. Both the Beatles and BT$ have released music that was said to carry sociocultural significance and challenge societal norms. Both groups expand on the topic of youthful rebellion and angst in their music, both have promoted anti-establishment themes and both have declared solidarity with support for social equality movements (LGBT, feminism, etc.). Both groups broke boundaries with their music, the Beatles broke through the "constraints of their time period" while BT$ broke through cultural constraints, becoming one of the, if not the, most popular Kpop groups with fans spanning continents and winning international awards. It's also important to note that the Beatles were considered the face of UK culture, they became the thing most outsiders most associated with their country. Most new ARMYS probably never stanned or even listened to Kpop before BT$, look at how all the celebrities and corporations hyped them up to the point where they were advertised in random places . . .it's safe to say that for many outsiders, BT$ will be the face of Kpop and what many will associate with Korean culture. "The Beatles felt considerable pressure to say the right things and "began a concerted effort to spread a message of wisdom and higher consciousness" -so sort of like R*M and his occultic literature and song recommendations? Also, several of their lyrics sounds based on this principle of a higher sense of enlightenment and wisdom. e.g. in DNA:

Our meeting is like a mathematical formula
Commandments of religion, providence of the universe;
The evidence of destiny given to me

And as for Beatlemania . . . what was 2017 if not for the year of BT$-mania?

Awards and praise
The Beatles: "In 1965, Queen Elizabeth II appointed Lennon, McCartney, Harrison and Starr Members of the Order of the British Empire(MBE).The recipients of seven Grammy Awards and fifteen Ivor Novella awards, the Beatles have been awarded six Diamond albums, as well as 24 Multi-Platinum albums, 39 Platinum albums and 45 Gold albums in the United States. In the UK, the Beatles have four Multi-Platinum albums, four Platinum albums, eight Gold albums and one Silver album, They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1988."


BT$: "The boys were also acknowledged by their South Korean president Moon Jae-In for reaching the #1 spot on Billboard 200. BTS has a large presence on social media, subsequently winning the Top Social Artist award at the 2017 Billboard Music Awards after receiving over 300 million vote to become the first Korean group to win a BBMA. BTS also won the Top Social Artist award at the 2018 Billboard Music Awards. They were the most tweeted about celebrity in 2017, being "liked or retweeted over half a billion times (502 million)" worldwide. The group charted for the first time in the 2016 edition of the Bilboard-Year-End charts specifically on the World Albums Artist and World Digital Song Artists. They placed again on the 2017 edition ranking 10th on the Top Artists, second on the Top Artists - Duo/Group, and first on the Social 50 Artist and World Albums Artists."
Source: Wikipedia

I am sure that with time BT$ will accumulate many more music awards. Weird how both groups were acknowledged by the leaders of their countries.


Symbolism and the Occult
One of the things the Beatles are most known for, is their ties to the occult. John Lennon in particular was very vocal about his infuences. Reminds me of some dude I know with a chronic fly problem . . .

What has to be one of the most blatently obvious signals provided by the Beatles would have to be their Sgt. Pepper album cover. There is an actual pic of Crowley on there:

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BT$ has similarly not shied away from their obvious symbolism and link to occultic inspiration, particularly in BST:

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Add to that that Ta3 has been spotted sporting a scarf or bandana or something of the sort with the phrase: "Doing what I want" on it. A take on Crowley's "Do what thou wilt." The links between Ta3 and Lennon is also very clear. It's been noticed that Ta3 has been wearing looks very similar to what John Lennon looked liked back in the day (long hair, glasses, etc.).

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Lennon was shot to death on the night of Monday, 8 December 1980. Many people are said to feel a sense of danger surrounding Vee, as though something bad is going to happen to him (it was predicted that he would get hurt because of a fan or something like that, right? I could be wrong here.)

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Why the target on Ta3?


Anyways, my point is that the Beatles were a powerful influence over an entire generation's moral and cultural convictions. Much in the same way BT$ is heading. Only the Beatles were in my opinion even more blatent with their ties while BT$ is still sort of on the DL subliminal side of things (at least to the sheeple). It feels like the powers that be are using the same formula (Satan has no new strategies) to control the masses in the form of an iconic music group. BT$ has many similar attributes to that of the Beatles, only they're more hush hush about their occult practices (no wonder the name changed to Behind the Scen3).


Phew ok. I need a need a drink.
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Great post...thanks :) for the analysis/observation.
fly boi's problem is indeed chronic
The similarity and oddity why tea looked like lennon could be a hint... it feels like it could be another alter...
And they both have the backing of the elite.
Really bey0nd the sce``ne
 
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