BTS discussion thread

[HappyAlfredo]

The truth is stronger because it's real. It is in you. The truth is that you're smart, the truth is that you can discern, the truth is your'e good, truth is you're safe. I love all the members of this group, there is hope. Hope in your heart.
The biggest lie is life is meanigless. If you beleive that lie they can do anything to you. There is lie behind this lie, if you want to know real justice, real "karma", the truth about the goodness in you. I can see now, so can you. If you want to know the greatest lie ever told, message me. The perfect peace in your very soul. If you want to know the complete lie, message me there's hope for you. There is life in you.
Bad is weak for it pretends. Truth is truth. No duality in the truth. No confusion in the truth. You will see, you have seen, you have light, you have hope. The world is in good hands, it all has meaning.

And that's the truth.

 

[HappyAlfredo]

I didn't reply to your last response because I'm not trying to start an argument but since you've challenged my opinion again, I'll answer you. For those who are sensitive and easily offended when it comes to an opinion from a non-religious person, don't read.

Spoiler

No it wasn't a choice for myself and the majority of people involved with religion. Like I said, I was born into it. I didn't ask to be 'baptized', have my first 'communion', nor my 'confirmation' (that's supposed to be your own choice btw) that your parents didn't decide for you but I was told it was mandatory if I wanted to go to heaven.

Religion is used as a scare tactic to keep masses controlled. It's nothing but a cult yet Christians are quick to judge and point their fingers at others if they have different beliefs that don't reflect theirs. Someone mentioned how every person outside of Christianity has problems with only their religion which is ironic because they're the exact same way when it comes to others beliefs. Who are they to deem their ways as the correct one? That's extremely ignorant.

If you don't repent and serve God, you're deemed a sinner and a "lost soul" who is damned unless you find salvation within the holy spirit. Everyone who doesn't worship your beliefs is automatically wrong because they've apparently strayed from the light and ultimately, the "true/pure" way that is God's love. The only way to be saved is to accept God and every belief that comes with it because his love is pure and unconditional for everyone despite that it's actually only for those that are deemed worthy enough for it in his eyes.

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That is the lie that torments. What you have shared is the lie behind the lie. The first lie says that life is meaningless. The second lie reveals the truth.

 

[HappyAlfredo]

That's fine. I accept your opinion - see the difference?

I also accept your opinion. Because your opinion is the truth.

 

[Bae Yeon Hee]

I didn't reply to your last response because I'm not trying to start an argument but since you've challenged my opinion again, I'll answer you. For those who are sensitive and easily offended when it comes to an opinion from a non-religious person, don't read.

Spoiler

No it wasn't a choice for myself and the majority of people involved with religion. Like I said, I was born into it. I didn't ask to be 'baptized', have my first 'communion', nor my 'confirmation' (that's supposed to be your own choice btw) that your parents didn't decide for you but I was told it was mandatory if I wanted to go to heaven.

Religion is used as a scare tactic to keep masses controlled. It's nothing but a cult yet Christians are quick to judge and point their fingers at others if they have different beliefs that don't reflect theirs. Someone mentioned how every person outside of Christianity has problems with only their religion which is ironic because they're the exact same way when it comes to others beliefs. Who are they to deem their ways as the correct one? That's extremely ignorant.

If you don't repent and serve God, you're deemed a sinner and a "lost soul" who is damned unless you find salvation within the holy spirit. Everyone who doesn't worship your beliefs is automatically wrong because they've apparently strayed from the light and ultimately, the "true/pure" way that is God's love. The only way to be saved is to accept God and every belief that comes with it because his love is pure and unconditional for everyone despite that it's actually only for those that are deemed worthy enough for it in his eyes.

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If you're referring to what I said earlier about not having a problem with any other religion except christianity, I was talking about every section of OCCULTISM. Not every person. I respect every persons opinions and beliefs even if they are not like mine. I know exactly where you are coming from as I have felt the same way at one point in my life as you do now. . When I talk about christianity it is solely on my own experience and how I escaped the occult. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone, just sharing my own experience. It's hard to not talk about the religious aspects of things when the it comes to the occult & illuminati.

 

[Marcelina123]

Guys let's avoid discussing religion, it's a delicate topic and each person has his own we are here because we know what is right and what is wrong and sacrifices and rituals are not part of the "good side"

 

[whitetable]

I wish your work reaches the armies out there and i personally believe ... There are many new who watch us daily.. Read our posts silently..
Hopefully all this will have a good impact on many people.. Let's keep doing what we can... An ocean can be made from the drops...

Yes yes yes! I am one of them, who read this thread silently and found it is really helpful and informative for me. I spare my time everyday to keep in touch with this thread. Just want to say thank you to all of you who share your knowledge and experience regarding this whole illuminati thing. I am really glad I found this website. I believe many armys will found this thread sooner or later

 

[MochiAmour]

If you're referring to what I said earlier about not having a problem with any other religion except christianity, I was talking about every section of OCCULTISM. Not every person. I respect every persons opinions and beliefs even if they are not like mine. I know exactly where you are coming from as I have felt the same way at one point in my life as you do now. . When I talk about christianity it is solely on my own experience and how I escaped the occult. I'm not trying to force my beliefs on anyone, just sharing my own experience. It's hard to not talk about the religious aspects of things when the it comes to the occult & illuminati.

Not everything in the occult is evil/bad as with everything in this world. For instance, you mentioned the New Age belief system being used to "lure" those who don't believe in Christianity. It implies that they're victims of something that should be considered wrong and corrupt. Whether you fully believe in that or not, is another thing.

Also, you stating that you've "felt the same way" at one point in your life makes it seem as though I'm going through a phase. Maybe you don't mean it as condescending as it sounds but I'll still respect your opinions regardless.

 

[whitetable]

"Their fingers, they were so thin, SO THIN, and their hand skin was extremely soft, I never felt such a silky hands, their eyes were so deep (in contact lenses), and the hair so shiny, I couldn't breath looking at their luscious lips, like...how is it possible.. their faces looked Godlike, Michelangelo would be amazed, and their skin was shining in the dark".......and then I check the photos and see just asian dudes, yes attractive but like any other attractive man, armys going crazy

LOL. Where did you read it? I am interested to read these things

 

[Bae Yeon Hee]

Not everything in the occult is evil/bad as with everything in this world. For instance, you mentioned the New Age belief system being used to "lure" those who don't believe in Christianity. It implies that they're victims of something that should be considered wrong and corrupt. Whether you fully believe in that or not, is another thing.

Also, you stating that you've "felt the same way" at one point in your life makes it seem as though I'm going through a phase. Maybe you don't mean it as condescending as it sounds but I'll still respect your opinions regardless.

I did not mean to imply it as a phase or condescending. Just that I have felt the same way before so I understand what you are saying.I respect your thoughts and opinions!

 

[HappyAlfredo]

We are victorious in the truth. DD

 

[Cocomj]

Hi everyone!
I posted a comment some months ago in the "kpop satanic/illuminati influence". In that comment I asked for some suggestions about what to do regarding this kind of music I was becoming interested in, and I never had the chance to thank who answered me properly. I'm sorry about it.
Now that I've logged in after all this time, I discovered the main topic has been split into another topic - this one- that is specifically about BTS. So I'm here now because it's always about them I'd like to talk about.
My history until now is: after that previous comment of mine, I tried to detach myself from them, eventually failing after some days because, as some of you said, I thought it's important to recognize the propaganda behind these songs for not being influenced by it. Since I'm Christian I thought to be exempt from that influence, and so I could just focus on their appealing songs without worrying too much.
But some weeks ago, as you noticed, the big scandal of their pre-comeback, the BTS glitch party, came out... and let me tell you, it scared the hell out of me. I browsed some Twitter tags about this thing, and I learned about the glitches in their videos that apparently weren't there before, the strange Instagram profiles and subs that contained some codes that, if translated, are about creepy and evil things, songs that are reversed, etc... It was in that moment that I immediately quit listening to them, and even now I'm having thoughts about it. I'm afraid they've poisoned me in some ways, because right now I'm almost suffering from this detachment. I mean, I think it's quite normal because it has been an abrupt thing; it's as if you quit smoking without the right and slow pace you'd need.
I admit I've grown fond of the 7 of them especially for their personality. I followed them not really because of their music, but because of them as humans. I loved to watch their funny and general videos about their life aside music. Now that I detached myself from them, I admit I really miss browsing about their news/interviews/reality shows, 'cause I enjoyed their entertaining side.
I know what's behind them, but I'm torn between the affection for them and their agenda. Sometimes I wonder: "Am I exaggerating? Am I doing the right thing, totally leaving them and suffering like that because of a creepy trend that I don't even know if it's 100% true?"
I see that some of you, even if you leave comments in these discussions, still have avatars of BTS members, probably meaning that you still "like" them(?). And because of that, I'd like to ask you: even after these creepy informations that are being exposed, do you still follow them? Do you still listen to their music? If yes, then I'm being too "afraid" of them(?).
I don't know what to do. I'm not listening to them right now, but I always feel that slight nostalgia that's making me mad. I don't really think it's their fault for, like, hypnotising me or something like that; the fact is that I don't have a good replacement of them. Some months ago I was into anime/manga; now I admit these things don't have my attention like before. Something about it vanished, I think because I'm growing up and tastes can't always stay the same. I like to do many other things like reading, writing... but in my life there has always been a particular thing that I tended to dream about the most, that would make me fangirl more. Months ago, for example, "that thing" was a specific anime; in this period it was BTS, 'cause I started to be interested in "real people's lives" and singers... and I simply got to know them; and now I find more "entertaining" to follow them rather than any other thing. Not because it's them, not because they're wizards; it's simply because I started listening to kpop, I got to know them, they were fun and interesting people and I grow interested.
But the problem is: unfortunately that world is corrupted and you can't be sure if, following them, you're doing the right thing or not. It's a thing that constantly makes me feel worried and rather nervous, and I can't let go of that thought because I keep repeating myself "Why can't I enjoy some artists in peace? Why do they always have to be involved in some creepy things?".
That's why I'm accepting any of your suggestions. I'm- again - reaching out to you for some answers that will maybe help me understand what's better to do.
Have you ever felt like that? What did you do, then? Do you still listen to them? How seriously do you think I should take these things that happen around them? How should I behave? Is it normal that I'm missing them like that? Is it ok to suffer and be scared like that or did I do the wrong choice and I shouldn't "hurt" myself like this?
I'm human, I'm naive, I know. God knows. I don't know what's the right thing to do anymore. That's why I keep praying, searching for some answers. But I also know you are very good people, who are indirectly helping me a lot; so I thought it'd be ok if I spoke about this problem with you, hoping not to bother you in any way.
Thanks in advance for any answer. You'd help me a lot!

To be honest with you i was growing affection to those guys wondering if they were really "kind" but now i backed away seeing all this creepy things (i'm not a fan but their lyrics inspired me to write )
Sorry i'm drifting from my point XD
: You shouldn't worry too much and stop listening to any type of songs if some are therapeutic for you
It's just God way to test your faith in him and trust his divine protection
Keep the faith <3

 

[dibidibidibs]

Check out @ctrIbeat’s Tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1006190979513061376

This actually makes sense now. Before, i never really got into voting for them for the mama awards or anything like that because I always knew that it wouldn't mattet if I vote for them or not, they'll still win. Even if ex0 had more votes then them on the final day of voting. It kinda doesn't make any sense to even support them if they're fame is already planned out. And idk why but it always erked my nerves the way @rmys would stream their videos, like someone posted on fb going to the @pple store and playing bt$ MVs on all of the laptops at the same time. Like you could be putting that same amount of energy in your school work or other taking care of other responsibilities. Sometimes I wouldn't even know what to do with myself, like "should I study or should I watch all of their post vlive videos all over again. " It really feels like your in a trap.

 

[Sugar23_]

Ughh.. P3dos don't deserve to live... How cruel can a human be... The mere thinking gives me shivers ..
Children and so innocent and pure.. How can someone be so cruel to them...

And its like in the movie eyes wid3 shut.. First he casts a spell on the cloaked women.. To make them do what he wants...
So basically it's magick.. Black one.. Maybe they wouldn't even remember the next day what they had done ...
But those who take advantage of women under spell.. Do know very well what they're doing.. So they're the sinners..

Do you know about spirit c00king? These celebrities join this cooking themselves being in their senses and eat and drink blood there ...

Yeah I’ve seen videos and pictures talking about the spirit cooking and artists like L@dy G@g@ attending them and speaking highly of the artist M@rina Abr@mović work. It still baffles me that when people see these things they don’t question or think anything of it like how can all of that just go over your head and you say it’s a concept for a fun dinner party like what. Seeing things like that as well as all of the other weird things I notice have always let me know things are not as they appear and there is more going on that we don’t know about.

 

[dibidibidibs]

It's photoshopped.

And J!n's foot are on the cards. He's amongst elderly men, wouldn't that be disrespectful and unhygienic (aren't those the cards that you slap on your head; Im not sure of the mechanics of the game but I've seen players do that before...

 

[dibidibidibs]

I've heard the bible was written (or tweaked?) by someone who used it to win a war against the opposing side. And when you think about it, religion is still the main reason for wars and hate. I may not have the answer to what's real, but I know that book is full of contradictions.

Hi. I think you're referring to the King James Version?? Because God's name waa completely taken out of there because KingJames himself wanted to be seen as the only LORD or something. No one can make yoy believe anything and even God (the true God, there are different named for Him but i personally refer to Him as Jehovah ) doesn't want you to aimlessly worship him. I've been studying the Bible since I was young and didn't really take it seriously until I reached my preteens '(so I kinda dont know exactly which parts of the Bible it is referenced, sorry still studying ) but I think in the book of Ephesians it talks about how the Ephesians didn't just receive the Word of God because the apostle Paul told them to, but they did some studying and examination of the Bible on their own to see if it is really the truth. They would study it day and after day to see if its really the truth and Jehovah God wants us to test these things and see if it is true. Im sad to hear that many of you readers/participaters on this thread were forced or felt like you were forced to believe in Christianity when in fact Jesus didn't not force anyone to accept anything. We are not supposed to convert anyone but we're suppose to teach them the Word of God and when they are ready, help them get baptised. Because at the end of the day, its YOUR relationship with God.No one can build that relationship for you except YOURSELF. He gives/is giving all of us plenty of time to learn about Him and grow in love and faith. I hope everyone makes postive advancements in your spirituality. For those who have expressed their religious views and opinions here, thank you and i applaud you especially since you've taken notice of the satanic acts and signs being shoved in our faces by the. music industry and media and are trying to find out the truth. It shows that your not ignorant to the crafty acts of Satan . (sorry if this was SO lenghty I dont usually post about religious topics online since it would be easier and more understable to say all of this in person. I'll go back to lurking now. Bye~)

 

[dibidibidibs]

You see them pushing the God agenda too with the flag thing they do in almost all of the schools in the us
WHAT DOES GOD HAVE TO DO WITH AMERICA THAT ISN'T IN OTHER COUNTRIES???
Its blantly obvious that they're just forcing us to follow an agenda or at least in northern america
Sometimes it feels like i'm part of a cult when its required to do the "pledge"

The god they are referring to in the pledge of allegiance isnt the God that you are referring to. You also have to understand that America was built on the basis of Masonic symbols and beliefs. Look at the site planning of D.C. All of the streets there form the Head of the Owl God and the star of David. (go to the 50th floor in the Washington Monument and look down at the city. I saw this when I last visited and was appalled. Or you could just look it up online.. )

 

[dibidibidibs]

I saw this in an Instagram comment section. They were talking about the blue side song on the h0pew01rd mixtape.View attachment 9103

There's something that I've heard about demons being put into the music that we listen to. There was this guy (I think a musical spectator or a classical musician??) who listen to @sap r0cky's first album and immediately after listening to the first track, he felt a burning sensation in his chest. Like something was ripping his chest in half. It sounded so scary. That's probably what happen to this person in IG post.

 

[dibidibidibs]

Two things:

I like the idea of actually doing something about all of this. It's a wonderful idea in theory, but where do you even start? How do you reach the masses that make up ARMYs? I'm happy to have a platform where all of us can come together amongst each other and share our own findings and interpretations. And I'm glad @Maggieca thought to start this thread specific to them. So to me, that is a start. But really, how do we go about going further than this? It seems like such an impossible task!

Ideas were given. Idk if you've read that far yet. Someone suggested sending translated letters by way of someone who is attending a fan signing. Another poster suggested creating a YT channel to do something like a video version akin to this thread. And then you have some that are sharing the link to here. Again, good ideas...will it reach the fans? How do you reach them?

I got nothing at this point. I just think it's one of those things that will come with time.

I get you're your own, free will thinker, so you're not "religious" and don't think prayer is effective. I believe words have power. It's been my prayer for ARMYs to wake up from their spell. It's been my prayer for members to leave on their own terms. It's been my prayer for them to fall from their popularity with whatever it takes (with a safe landing of course like YG said). Seriously, I'm a legit fan and yet I want their engine to run out of steam lol.

Second thing is: I have thought about this obsession many times. Although informative, it is a different kind of obsession. It is something that I hate to admit to having. I said much earlier that I had never thought about these kids like I have lately after revisiting this board. It would be nice to actually put a plan in place to tangibly get to them before another life succumbs to the workings of the industry.

Hi~
You've reminded me of something. About prayer for the ARMYS and the boys. I remember during December 2016 (correct me if im wrong pls) that YG and TH both got really sick, like INCREDIBLY sick, that they we're in the hospital for a week or so. And they weren't able to perform with the other members in Osaka. The remaining members looked really down and RM apologized for YG and TH absence . The whole fandom was in chaos and were freaking out. I was so scared for them that I even contemplated on whether or not I should pray for their health and recovery because the way I saw it I thought it would be silly of me to pray for famous people like that. However I realized that they're people too and that we should pray for everybody, no matter their status in society. So I prayed that night. AND i kid you not that day after that (the Osaka concert) there were updates on fb that YG and TH were recovering well. I was so amazed and shocked.

 

[Hopeful]

Yes yes yes! I am one of them, who read this thread silently and found it is really helpful and informative for me. I spare my time everyday to keep in touch with this thread. Just want to say thank you to all of you who share your knowledge and experience regarding this whole illuminati thing. I am really glad I found this website. I believe many armys will found this thread sooner or later

Your are welcome ...glad to know.. I was a silent member for many pages of this thread too... Then i got this urge to talk to the members.. They all seemed very nice . And i joined in

 

[Hopeful]

Yeah I’ve seen videos and pictures talking about the spirit cooking and artists like L@dy G@g@ attending them and speaking highly of the artist M@rina Abr@mović work. It still baffles me that when people see these things they don’t question or think anything of it like how can all of that just go over your head and you say it’s a concept for a fun dinner party like what. Seeing things like that as well as all of the other weird things I notice have always let me know things are not as they appear and there is more going on that we don’t know about.

Yeah.. Such people have elites backing them up.. That's why she did those things with video cams on..
It feel horrified to think how she collects those gallons of filth that she uses... Maybe she buys that stuff .. It's very disgusting and icky