Judge Jeanine: Trump is fulfilling End Times prophecy!

[Thunderian]

I just went through Cenk's seven points one by one and showed why Christians don't and can't hold the views he says we do, and by your responses I can tell that neither of you know any more than Cenk does about Bible prophecy.

There is really not much variety in popular interpretation of Bible prophecy about the end times. Sure, there's some variance on the timing of things, but there are no widely held streams of interpretation that promote Armageddon as a means of forcing the return of Jesus Christ. Please understand that.

It's the height of ignorance to dismiss Cenk's seven points as some sort of amalgamation of prophetic interpretations, especially after I showed point by point how he was out to lunch. Out of all the interpretations, at least the ones adhered to by the vast majority of Bible-believing Christians, which are the Christians in question here, none of them -- not a single one -- hold the view what you two and idiot Cenk are casually assigning to them. It's a lie, and people need to stop telling it.

It's not wishing for Armageddon to call attention to the prophetic significance of world events.

 

[DesertRose]

Cenk has almost everything wrong, and the things he has right have nothing to do with Christian Zionism.

I just went through Cenk's seven points one

Let me give you a run down from what I understood about Cenk's 11 points (your should watch the whole video):

Are you saying he is lying about the prophecies of war near the Euphrates (Iraq region) that have been supported by evangelicals backing Bush?
The disasters in Palestine including the West-bank that have been aided and abetted by US armaments and pro-Israeli policies?
That Israel is being built up so that they can war against Muslims (check)
That it appears that you worship a God who will kill all humans that are not from your select group which will be taken up at the right moment to heaven?
That Israel goes to war with Muslims and will take the Temple mount/Masjid al Aqsa?
They cherry on top of this cake has to be number 1. That the people who recognize Israel are the anti-Christ. (Agreed, they are definitely anti-Christian.)
Then and this has got to be the icing on the cake, that you also expect Israel to get destroyed by Russia and Iran.

"With friends like these who needs enemies?" You Zionists have got to be the worst buddies.

It appears that many of these prophecies are actually being implemented by the US government on behalf of 25% Zionists in the US.
The US government and military are under the thumb of neocons and Christian Zionists who push for war in the Middle East.
This is quite unfortunate for humanity especially for those who want to live with their families in peace!

As a human being I am horrified that people can aid and abet corruption and then turn around and say these policies are being fulfilled outside of their will.
Own it and tell the truth. You have twisted your faith and have interpreted you prophecies to support discord and corruption on earth.
This is shameful and has nothing to do with how people perceive Christianity as a faith.
Prophet Jesus peace be upon him would not support these actions they have nothing to do with righteousness.

 

[Awoken2]

There is nothing anyone can do to affect, bring about, or stop prophecy from being fulfilled.

And there we have it, the epitome of religeon in one golden statement.

It's not in our hands, everything that happens is Gods work.....The biggest lie ever told right there.

I can't believe intelligent people still buy this rubbish.

 

[Vytas]

If you don't believe in prophecies it's ok. But if you believe and you are saying that you can influence/change outcome you have some serious delusions about your abilities...

 

[Awoken2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

There is only one thing that followers of religion have in common, irrespective of their denomination. They have all bought into somebody else's story.

 

[Awoken2]

If you don't believe in prophecies it's ok. But if you believe and you are saying that you can influence/change outcome you have some serious delusions about your abilities...

When you study predictive programming like I have for any amount of time it does kind of make a mockery of all prophecies.

I can tell you this. Whatever catastrophic event befalls us, it will not be an act of God, it will be an act of man.

The fact that all these religious types will believe it will be an act of God will only prove that religeon was just a construct to serve a purpose.

In my eyes blind faith is far far more dangerous than apathy.

 

[Vytas]

I like to think i know just enough about predictive programming and i do not concern myself with it further...Whats the point ? I made some decisions based on things i learned, such us turn of TV forever. Ignore MSM and so on. If anything they are trying to mimic prophecies. With symbolic language , obscured information etc...
To put it simply humans are always owned and decisions they like to think are their own are always influenced...But in wider sense i agree whatever happens it's our own fault.
Another things about prophecies.... Then i read bible and see God speaking about future events in past tense definition of prophecy changes drastically...black/white approach doesn't work here, not everything is as simple as it look...

 

[Awoken2]

I like to think i know just enough about predictive programming and i do not concern myself with it further...Whats the point ?

Well for me the point is I object to having my subconscious mind influenced by any organisation who feels they need to employ this sinister tactic in the first place to somehow gain my tacit consent.

Trying to affect people's unconscious minds is fundamentally and morally wrong, why do you think subliminal advertising was banned in 1974? For the very reason I just mentioned, that's why.

https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/marlboro-coke-kfc-used-subliminal-advertising/1383489

https://www.subliminal-messaging.com/when-and-why-was-subliminal-messaging-banned/

It's fine that you are able to detach yourself from this by not watching tv or listening to the MSM but a very important point to make here is... the vast majority of people are totally unaware this is even happening to them.

I'll reiterate the point with this video once more. Freeze frame at exactly 2.33....and your ok with this?

Give me just one rational explanation for that?

 

[Vytas]

the vast majority of people are totally unaware this is even happening to them.

I got used to idea, that i can't do anything productive about it...Just not the type information people are willing to listen about . Except those who already are somewhat aware, they will listen. It's a topic for those who are already more or less awake. Ant those can take care of themselves without help.

I object to having my subconscious mind influenced by any organisation who feels they need to employ this sinister tactic in the first place to somehow gain my tacit consent.

Trying to affect people's unconscious minds is fundamentally and morally wrong

Yes yes and yes. You deal with it by watching more of it, i deal with it by ignoring it...Knowledge is power, but i sick to my stomach already. I have good basics of subliminal, symbolism and nlp. And im so done, my brain is not a recycle bin. Nor do i think it's good for mental health...

Give me just one rational explanation for that?

Explanations are irrational, thats why people will refuse to listen about it...

 

[rainerann]

Well for me the point is I object to having my subconscious mind influenced by any organisation who feels they need to employ this sinister tactic in the first place to somehow gain my tacit consent.

Trying to affect people's unconscious minds is fundamentally and morally wrong, why do you think subliminal advertising was banned in 1974? For the very reason I just mentioned, that's why.

https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/marlboro-coke-kfc-used-subliminal-advertising/1383489

https://www.subliminal-messaging.com/when-and-why-was-subliminal-messaging-banned/

It's fine that you are able to detach yourself from this by not watching tv or listening to the MSM but a very important point to make here is... the vast majority of people are totally unaware this is even happening to them.

I'll reiterate the point with this video once more. Freeze frame at exactly 2.33....and your ok with this?

Give me just one rational explanation for that?

Do you study the theory of probability?

 

[TempestOfTempo]

There is nothing anyone can do to affect, bring about, or stop prophecy from being fulfilled.

Excellent point. So why do the Zionists keep trying? Even their own, ultra-orthodox scholars have stated that Israel should not even exist now. That is not to say I dont support Jewish people having a homeland, even in Israel. But there is a clear disconnect between what Jewish law and prophecy dictates and what the Zionists are trying to accomplish..... even though what they are working towards is entirely out of their own scriptural laws and prophecy.

 

[Awoken2]

I got used to idea, that i can't do anything productive about it...Just not the type information people are willing to listen about . Except those who already are somewhat aware, they will listen. It's a topic for those who are already more or less awake. Ant those can take care of themselves without help.



Yes yes and yes. You deal with it by watching more of it, i deal with it by ignoring it...Knowledge is power, but i sick to my stomach already. I have good basics of subliminal, symbolism and nlp. And im so done, my brain is not a recycle bin. Nor do i think it's good for mental health...



Explanations are irrational, thats why people will refuse to listen about it...

My mental health is just fine so I'll keep doing what I'm doing.There's too much at stake here not to.

 

[bbsion]

I have zero respect for Cenk Uygur. There are not a lot of people that I disagree with more than him.

 

[Awoken2]

Do you study the theory of probability?

No I don't. I've mainly been studying main stream bullshit.

 

[rainerann]

No I don't. I've mainly been studying main stream bullshit.

I would be interested to know how you determine how something could be considered predictive programming then. Something isn't inherently capable of controlling someone's behavior. Like a checkered floor doesn't automatically make someone inclined to believe in the occult. It is all determined by probability.

If you study the history of mathematics, it is interesting to notice that there are several mathematicians who all worked towards understanding the subject of probability. In particular, several French mathematicians studied the subject in the 17th and 18th century. So there is a lot more complexity to understanding this area of mathematics than most people realize.

Everything that can be considered "predictive programming" is really just a superstitious way of saying that they are using the mathematical principles of probability to their advantage, nothing more. Basically, you always increase the probability that someone will make a decision in a particular direction if you are in control of the number of choices they have and the frequency that they are exposed to this choice, because memory will be a factor in how someone makes a decision as well.

This is why censorship is becoming such a frequent discussion today because controlling someone's choices plays into whether or not you are able to predict their behavior. This is why every good dictator censored the people and why there is a proverb that says that a person is inclined to believe one way until they hear an alternate point of view (Proverbs 18:17).

So, the checkered floor is popular component of the occult, but it actually means nothing by itself; however, according to an understanding of probability. We know that if a person were only given the option between a checkered kitchen floor and a solid gray kitchen floor, they will choose the checkered floor 50% of the time. Let's say they are exposed to pictures of a checkered floor 70% of the time and pictures of the gray floor 30% of the time, they will choose the checkered floor over 50% of the time because they have been exposed to this image more often and it has consequently become the dominant image. Predictive programming becomes very similar to the Punnett square at this point.

This plays into the subject of data science and collecting data as well because when they see how many times a person chooses a checkered floor from a large amount of data, for example, they can use this to make predictions based on the probability that the same conditions will produce a similar result. So the subject of probability is central to the subject of predictive programming, which you claimed was fundamentally and morally wrong. However, it would seem that you are suggesting that something is inherently capable of being used to control a person's behavior if you are not considered the subject of probability, which is not possible. So, I am wondering if you would mind explaining how you determine whether something is used to control the decision making process of an individual or if you have already tried to explain this elsewhere, a link to this thread would be appreciated.

 

[Vytas]

It's not built on chance/probability, it relies on you not recognizing , not noticing, not paying attention. While our subconsciousness notice sees and recognizes everything....literally. Predictive programming is hypnosis lite. People tend to underestimate power of suggestion, but it's a very powerful tool.

 

[Vytas]

My mental health is just fine so I'll keep doing what I'm doing.There's too much at stake here not to.

I wasn't insinuating anything Sorry

 

[rainerann]

It's not built on chance/probability, it relies on you not recognizing , not noticing, not paying attention. While our subconsciousness notice sees and recognizes everything....literally. Predictive programming is hypnosis lite. People tend to underestimate power of suggestion, but it's a very powerful tool.

Which is still subject to the rules of probability because for every message, whether blatant or unconscious, there is a certain probability that people will take the suggestion and a certain probability that they won't. Either way, an object is not inherently capable of influencing behavior outside of whether it exists as an isolated choice and dependent on the amount of exposure it is given.

It is entirely how something becomes a trend. People subconsciously collect data on the how frequently they see a certain behavior, and it influences their decision to behave in the same way. While a certain probability of the population will start a trend and a certain probability of the population will not follow a trend no matter how frequently they see other people engage in the behavior.

It is entirely how advertising works and why name brands become a dominant choice because with a range of choices, they receive the most exposure. Suggesting that probability is not the primary component behind what is called predictive programming is a superstition that is created by the fact that the subject of probability is so broad, and there are too many variables that exist to create any sort of library of formulas that would give any method a guarantee.

There is no way to create that kind of bubble that would make this something that is easy to understand, but at the most basic level, it could be understood with a study of probability. It is entirely built upon this.

 

[Vytas]

Which is still subject to the rules of probability because for every message, whether blatant or unconscious, there is a certain probability that people will take the suggestion and a certain probability that they won't.

If they notice probability is 0%If they don't it's 100%

Obviously im not talking about checkered floor but actual hidden subliminals...

EDIT lets play a little game to illustrate.

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You just saw picture, you also read something, do you know what you read? You don't, unless you find it.

 

[rainerann]

If they notice probability is 0%
If they don't it's 100%

Obviously im not talking about checkered floor but actual hidden subliminals...

That is exactly the point. There is no way that you can guarantee 100% of the time that someone will follow something subconsciously, whether they notice it or not. The hypnotizability of people is a variable in and of itself, so you are missing how this situation becomes a problem of probability.

What you actually have is a whole population exposed to the same media, and a certain percentage of the population have a 100% chance of ignoring the effect that the subliminal had on them. Another percentage will notice this and won't be affected and another percentage will store this as data that will accumulate with increased exposure.

Our minds are continually collecting data and making predictions in the subconscious, so trying to access a person's subconscious mind is attempting to control the way they are making predictions with data that is accumulated through observations made in different states of consciousness that are constantly changing between waking and sleeping.

For example, the sexual subliminal in the Disney movies could be said to only serve to increase the exposure, because there is a certain probability associated with increasing the exposure of sexual situations to increasing sexual behavior. By increasing the exposure, you increase the probability, and there are several nefarious writings that are exposed in conspiracy circles that say that oversexualization is a goal of TPTB. However, you are only going to promote oversexualization for a certain percentage of people with a mechanism like this, and to increase the probability that this effect will result in increased sexual activity, you will have to increase the exposure.

So choice and frequency have to be controlled because these are the only two variables you can really control in order to initiate predictive programming, which is not the study of chance. It is the study of patterns and the way you can use observations of patterns to make predictions.

There is nothing inherently capable of programming someone to behave a certain way. People may confuse the capacity to create a dissociative state with the capacity to initiate exposure to an image that will control their future decision-making process, but they are not the same thing. You can flood the market with prescription painkillers that will make people more likely to succumb to suggestion, but only a certain percentage will.

Therefore, because the probability that drugs will produce an amiable state that is willing to take orders in only a certain percentage, other mechanisms need to be introduced to cover the other variables that influence the probability that someone will make a decision according to the will of another person.

Therefore, there is nothing inherently capable of predicting what a person will do. No symbol, no drug, no nothing has the power to do this 100% of the time. It doesn't matter if it is subconscious even because there is still no certain mechanism that they will be able to affect a person's behavior as an independent entity absent of other variables 100% of the time. Therefore, predictive programming is always a study of probability.

Basically, anytime a decision is present, a study of probability could be done. It is present in so many situations that the subject becomes too broad to be understood. I only noticed this when I realized that it seemed funny for so many mathematicians to study a mathematical subject that is taught as early as prealgebra.

However, this is not because understanding probability is simple, it is because this is how we are limited in our understanding of probability. It has essentially never really graduated in the same way as our understanding of motion.