Anti-Muslim ranters ganged up on a Muslim man at a town hall meeting

[Etagloc]

Psychopaths.

 

[enderpotato00]

Psychopaths.

They have every right to be angry. Building a mosque on a 9/11 site literally means victory for them. I would tolerate Islam if I actually saw any good people in it. Don't give me this crap that "stop watching Fox News", I don't even watch that shit. This is all see in Muslims (not all muslims ok). We're tired of this shit where Islam is always innocent and that Christianity and Judaism is the problem.

 

[Golden Age]

Both sides seem to be taking stridently unreasonable positions as if they wish to replay the Crusades, all over again.

The Muslim World must confess that they're destabilising the world and need to get their act together. Political and institutional failure is at the heart of the crisis.
As a result, terror and refugees are flooding into Europe and North America. The net result is a sense of fear and alienation on the part of the West.

Those currently peddling Goebbels(esque) caricatures in order to demonise all Muslims are playing with fire. This is a nihilist tendency that leads to gas ovens and the collapse of an entire culture.

Nobody is suggesting Muslims are always innocent and Jews/Christians are always the villains of the peace. But believe me, there is plenty of guilt and iniquity to go around!

Now knock it off!

 

[Etagloc]

Both sides seem to be taking stridently unreasonable positions as if they wish to replay the Crusades, all over again.

The Muslim World must confess that they're destabilising the world and need to get their act together. Political and institutional failure is at the heart of the crisis.
As a result, terror and refugees are flooding into Europe and North America. The net result is a sense of fear and alienation on the part of the West.

Those currently peddling Goebbels(esque) caricatures in order to demonise all Muslims are playing with fire. This is a nihilist tendency that leads to gas ovens and the collapse of an entire culture.

Nobody is suggesting Muslims are always innocent and Jews/Christians are always the villains of the peace. But believe me, there is plenty of guilt and iniquity to go around!

Now knock it off!

Destabilizing the world? By minding their own business and getting invaded and being murdered for oil?

By getting bombed by Western countries? Being invaded is destabilizing the world?

I guess all the third world countries which were invaded were destabilizing the world by being invaded by that logic. Fortunately, my logic is not pro-colonialist.

 

[manama]

. I would tolerate Islam if I actually saw any good people in it.

Stop thinking so high of yourself, Not a single thing needs you to be "tolerate" of them for them to exist.

 

[manama]

Nothing new tbh,not that it matters. Those people can clap and cheer at a language like that when the man showing the plan is so civil and calm. "ill do anything in my power to stop it"... do what? shoot people up?

At the end of the day all this video shows is an educated man who wanted to build something, and a bunch of degenerates

 

[polymoog]

Both sides seem to be taking stridently unreasonable positions as if they wish to replay the Crusades, all over again.

The Muslim World must confess that they're destabilising the world and need to get their act together. Political and institutional failure is at the heart of the crisis.
As a result, terror and refugees are flooding into Europe and North America. The net result is a sense of fear and alienation on the part of the West.

Nobody is suggesting Muslims are always innocent and Jews/Christians are always the villains of the peace. But believe me, there is plenty of guilt and iniquity to go around!

Now knock it off!

i agree. i dont think the average muslim on the street is thinking 3 steps ahead like the elites who are creating this friction. theyre just a pawn in the game. the controllers are opening the borders, allowing the migrants in to overrun and change the population dynamics and the culture. this guys anger, which i understand, should be directed at them. this presenter is caught in the crossfire and taking the heat, and he may be one who actually has embraced american culture and assimilated into society.

 

[Annonymous_Damsel]

They have every right to be angry. Building a mosque on a 9/11 site literally means victory for them. I would tolerate Islam if I actually saw any good people in it. Don't give me this crap that "stop watching Fox News", I don't even watch that shit. This is all see in Muslims (not all muslims ok). We're tired of this shit where Islam is always innocent and that Christianity and Judaism is the problem.

Dude wtf is this?

 

[Annonymous_Damsel]

This is sickening.I couldn’t continue watching this video.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

Psychopaths.

It’s sad to see how far the US has fallen intellectually and critically when watching this. Or, maybe it’s always been like this, and this it’s revealing itself?

Since you seem to like Christopher Bollyn, I’ll post this lecture. I’m truly fascinated how he can talk about this information in such depth exposing what’s really at the heart of terrorism, and I admire him for it. At approximately 1:25:34, Chris discusses how an enemy is required for this so-called “war on terror”. The man filmed in the video has fallen for it, hook, line and sinker. As he says “Muslims is terrorists” – lol! Sigh!

 

[Golden Age]

@Etagloc: "Destabilizing the world? By minding their own business and getting invaded and being murdered for oil?
By getting bombed by Western countries? Being invaded is destabilizing the world?
I guess all the third world countries which were invaded were destabilizing the world by being invaded by that logic. Fortunately, my logic is not pro-colonialist"

Why can't you admit that the Muslim World is full of failed political institutions and leaders that are an assortment of incompetents, collaborators and degenerates!?
Such institutional sclerosis invites invasion and intervention. Its like opening the reptile tank in a zoo and then complaining that there is an epidemic of snake bites!

Its not the fault of snakes that people have been bitten, (thats what snakes do, its their nature). The problem is that the reptile tank is insecure and needs to be fixed.

Muslims should manage their affairs better and stop complaining about Western intervention. Weakness, sterility and incompetence invite attacks. That is a geopolitical reality. It is also historical fact.
Qatar, Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq and Jordan all host US military installations on their soil. If Muslims are getting invaded by outside forces, its because their own leaders are facilitating it.

Its much harder to admit that the problem is close to home. So much easier to point the finger at others. Pathetic behaviour.

 

[manama]

@Etagloc: "Destabilizing the world? By minding their own business and getting invaded and being murdered for oil?
By getting bombed by Western countries? Being invaded is destabilizing the world?
I guess all the third world countries which were invaded were destabilizing the world by being invaded by that logic. Fortunately, my logic is not pro-colonialist"

Why can't you admit that the Muslim World is full of failed political institutions and leaders that are an assortment of incompetents, collaborators and degenerates!?
Such institutional sclerosis invites invasion and intervention. Its like opening the reptile tank in a zoo and then complaining that there is an epidemic of snake bites!

Its not the fault of snakes that people have been bitten, (thats what snakes do, its their nature). The problem is that the reptile tank is insecure and needs to be fixed.

Muslims should manage their affairs better and stop complaining about Western intervention. Weakness, sterility and incompetence invite attacks. That is a geopolitical reality. It is also historical fact.
Qatar, Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq and Jordan all host US military installations on their soil. If Muslims are getting invaded by outside forces, its because their own leaders are facilitating it.

Its much harder to admit that the problem is close to home. So much easier to point the finger at others. Pathetic behaviour.

Please don't say anything else, there is only so much second-hand embarrassment i can tolerate before the cringe becomes too much.

 

[enderpotato00]

Dude wtf is this?

See you people don't seem to get it. They have every right to be pissed off b/c the dude wants to build a mosque on a 9/11 site.

 

[elsbet]

Didn't they end up landing on some middle ground, making this whole affair a non-issue, at this point?

 

[Etagloc]

It’s sad to see how far the US has fallen intellectually and critically when watching this. Or, maybe it’s always been like this, and this it’s revealing itself?

Since you seem to like Christopher Bollyn, I’ll post this lecture. I’m truly fascinated how he can talk about this information in such depth exposing what’s really at the heart of terrorism, and I admire him for it. At approximately 1:25:34, Chris discusses how an enemy is required for this so-called “war on terror”.

Yes, these folks have fallen for the propaganda.

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

-Surah 49:6

so they've already fallen for the false news. They will have be held to account on the Day Of Judgement.

As far as the US having fallen intellectually.....

'Idiocracy' writer: I never expected my movie 'to become a documentary'

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/270642-idiocracy-writer-i-never-expected-my-movie-to-become-a

that video just demonstrates that the US is living the movie Idiocracy

and it has been for some time. Look at George Bush. His appearing to be dumb was actually a big selling point for him. Trump is merely the same trend to a further extreme. The US is just moving more extremely in the direction of Idiocracy.

Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) saw it coming 1,400 years ago

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Years of treachery will come over people in which liars are believed and the truthful are denied, the deceitful are trusted and the trustworthy are considered traitors, and the al-Ruwaybaḍah will deliver speeches.” It was said, “Who are the al-Ruwaybaḍah?” The Prophet said, “Petty men with authority over the common people.”

While the Prophet () was saying something in a gathering, a Bedouin came and asked him, “When would the Hour (Doomsday) take place?” Allah’s Messenger () continued his talk, so some people said that Allah’s Messenger () had heard the question, but did not like what that Bedouin had asked. Some of them said that Allah’s Messenger () had not heard it. When the Prophet () finished his speech, he said, “Where is the questioner, who inquired about the Hour (Doomsday)?” The Bedouin said, “I am here, O Allah’s Apostle .” Then the Prophet () said, “When honesty is lost, then wait for the Hour (Doomsday).” The Bedouin said, “How will that be lost?” The Prophet () said, “When the power or authority comes in the hands of unfit persons, then wait for the Hour (Doomsday.)”

Hudhaifa repotted: We were one day in the company of 'Umar that he said: Who amongst you has preserved in his mind most perfectly the hadith of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) in regard to the turmoil as he told about it? I said: It is I. Thereupon he said: You are bold (enough to make this claim). And he further said: How? I said: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would (first) be turmoil for a person in regard to his family, his property, his own self, his children, his neighbours (and the sins comnaitted in their connection) would be expiated by fasting, prayer, charity, enjoining good and prohibiting evil. Thereupon 'Umar said: I do not mean (that turmoil on a small scale) but that one which would eme-ge like the mounting waves of the ocean. I said: Commander of the Faithful, you have nothing to do with it, for the door is closed between you and that. He said: Would that door be broken or opened? I said: No, it would be broken. Thereupon he said: Then it would not be closed despite best efforts. We said to Hudhaifa: Did Umar know the door? Thereupon he said: Yes, he knew it (for certain) just as one knows that night precede the next day. And I narrated to him something in which there was nothing fabricated. Shaqiq (one of the narrators) said: We dared not ask Hudhaifa about that door. So we requested Masrdq to ask him. So he asked him and he said: (By that door, he meant) 'Umar.​

When the old have no compassion for the young, when the young show no respect to the old … when children grow angry … Judgment is at hand.

more details here:

http://www.signsofthelastday.com/hadiths_07.html

What we are seeing is precisely the sort of thing that Islam has taught to expect

@Etagloc: "Destabilizing the world? By minding their own business and getting invaded and being murdered for oil?
By getting bombed by Western countries? Being invaded is destabilizing the world?
I guess all the third world countries which were invaded were destabilizing the world by being invaded by that logic. Fortunately, my logic is not pro-colonialist"

Why can't you admit that the Muslim World is full of failed political institutions and leaders that are an assortment of incompetents, collaborators and degenerates!?
Such institutional sclerosis invites invasion and intervention. Its like opening the reptile tank in a zoo and then complaining that there is an epidemic of snake bites!

Its not the fault of snakes that people have been bitten, (thats what snakes do, its their nature). The problem is that the reptile tank is insecure and needs to be fixed.

Muslims should manage their affairs better and stop complaining about Western intervention. Weakness, sterility and incompetence invite attacks. That is a geopolitical reality. It is also historical fact.
Qatar, Oman, UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq and Jordan all host US military installations on their soil. If Muslims are getting invaded by outside forces, its because their own leaders are facilitating it.

Its much harder to admit that the problem is close to home. So much easier to point the finger at others. Pathetic behaviour.

The world is full of messed-up governments. Are you responsible for the government of your country? The president of the US is an idiot and a psychopath but if you live in the US, we can't judge you by the president.

You are falling for exactly the trap that Malcolm X describes here and furthermore what you are saying could be said about pretty much any Third World country.

I'm not some "might makes right" theorist... if some guy robs a convenience store, I don't go and attack the guy who got robbed

Since you know so much more than the people in Third World countries, why don't you take yourself to Africa, Middle East, Latin America or Asia and go overthrow the corrupt leaders? Why don't you go there and do it? Why don't you go to one of those countries where you can be "disappeared" and tortured and you go get yourself "disappeared"? You're talking from some comfortable place but try going to one of those places where you can be "disappeared" and when people find your severed head, I wonder if your severed head will deliver such talk.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

Yes, these folks have fallen for the propaganda.

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

-Surah 49:6

so they've already fallen for the false news. They will have be held to account on the Day Of Judgement.

As far as the US having fallen intellectually.....

'Idiocracy' writer: I never expected my movie 'to become a documentary'

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/270642-idiocracy-writer-i-never-expected-my-movie-to-become-a

that video just demonstrates that the US is living the movie Idiocracy

and it has been for some time. Look at George Bush. His appearing to be dumb was actually a big selling point for him. Trump is merely the same trend to a further extreme. The US is just moving more extremely in the direction of Idiocracy.

Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him) saw it coming 1,400 years ago

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Years of treachery will come over people in which liars are believed and the truthful are denied, the deceitful are trusted and the trustworthy are considered traitors, and the al-Ruwaybaḍah will deliver speeches.” It was said, “Who are the al-Ruwaybaḍah?” The Prophet said, “Petty men with authority over the common people.”

While the Prophet () was saying something in a gathering, a Bedouin came and asked him, “When would the Hour (Doomsday) take place?” Allah’s Messenger () continued his talk, so some people said that Allah’s Messenger () had heard the question, but did not like what that Bedouin had asked. Some of them said that Allah’s Messenger () had not heard it. When the Prophet () finished his speech, he said, “Where is the questioner, who inquired about the Hour (Doomsday)?” The Bedouin said, “I am here, O Allah’s Apostle .” Then the Prophet () said, “When honesty is lost, then wait for the Hour (Doomsday).” The Bedouin said, “How will that be lost?” The Prophet () said, “When the power or authority comes in the hands of unfit persons, then wait for the Hour (Doomsday.)”

Hudhaifa repotted: We were one day in the company of 'Umar that he said: Who amongst you has preserved in his mind most perfectly the hadith of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) in regard to the turmoil as he told about it? I said: It is I. Thereupon he said: You are bold (enough to make this claim). And he further said: How? I said: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would (first) be turmoil for a person in regard to his family, his property, his own self, his children, his neighbours (and the sins comnaitted in their connection) would be expiated by fasting, prayer, charity, enjoining good and prohibiting evil. Thereupon 'Umar said: I do not mean (that turmoil on a small scale) but that one which would eme-ge like the mounting waves of the ocean. I said: Commander of the Faithful, you have nothing to do with it, for the door is closed between you and that. He said: Would that door be broken or opened? I said: No, it would be broken. Thereupon he said: Then it would not be closed despite best efforts. We said to Hudhaifa: Did Umar know the door? Thereupon he said: Yes, he knew it (for certain) just as one knows that night precede the next day. And I narrated to him something in which there was nothing fabricated. Shaqiq (one of the narrators) said: We dared not ask Hudhaifa about that door. So we requested Masrdq to ask him. So he asked him and he said: (By that door, he meant) 'Umar.​

When the old have no compassion for the young, when the young show no respect to the old … when children grow angry … Judgment is at hand.

more details here:

http://www.signsofthelastday.com/hadiths_07.html

What we are seeing is precisely the sort of thing that Islam has taught to expect



The world is full of messed-up governments. Are you responsible for the government of your country? The president of the US is an idiot and a psychopath but if you live in the US, we can't judge you by the president.

You are falling for exactly the trap that Malcolm X describes here and furthermore what you are saying could be said about pretty much any Third World country.

I'm not some "might makes right" theorist... if some guy robs a convenience store, I don't go and attack the guy who got robbed

Since you know so much more than the people in Third World countries, why don't you take yourself to Africa, Middle East, Latin America or Asia and go overthrow the corrupt leaders? Why don't you go there and do it? Why don't you go to one of those countries where you can be "disappeared" and tortured and you go get yourself "disappeared"? You're talking from some comfortable place but try going to one of those places where you can be "disappeared" and when people find your severed head, I wonder if your severed head will deliver such talk.

LOL!!! Okay, I'm going to add the movie "Idiocracy" to my movie list now. I'm watching a movie Christopher has suggested in the lecture called "Brazil". It's like George Orwell's 1984 on steroids, and I have to keep in mind that the movie is 33 years old because some of what's portrayed in it, is becoming commonplace today.

 

[The Zone]

Yeah. Everybody in America is just like those in the video. I could easily find a video that would shock and disrespect any religion, race, etc. I saw it in a video, so it must be true that everyone in a country is like that. I find the gaslighting and attempt at division appalling here. It is as if some are determined to start irrational conversations filled with emotion that continue to divide. If everyone's goal is to insist one believes as they do, then continue...but it is a fruitless exercise.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

Yeah. Everybody in America is just like those in the video. I could easily find a video that would shock and disrespect any religion, race, etc. I saw it in a video, so it must be true that everyone in a country is like that. I find the gaslighting and attempt at division appalling here. It is as if some are determined to start irrational conversations filled with emotion that continue to divide. If everyone's goal is to insist one believes as they do, then continue...but it is a fruitless exercise.

I agree with you to an extent. However, there haven’t been any real rational conversations about Muslims/Islam on these boards for the longest while. Post after post, thread after thread, it’s the same dang thing! Every time when someone posts how “Islam” going to take over the West, a picture likes this comes to mind – LOL:

There are a few Muslims living in my building, I’m pretty sure they’re not taking over... anything. I mean, I could be wrong (lol!), but for the most part, they just say hi and bye to me in the elevator. It’s the same thing with the Muslims in my office building, just going about their business. You've hit the nail on the head regarding it being emotionally driven because that’s all there it lies at a topical level as no one wants to discuss what’s really going on. There are a few on here that do, there were more on the previous boards, but from the 1.6K members, all we've read is how evil Islam is and no one wants to talk to about the real issues as to why it’s been perceived that way. I posted Christopher’s lecture regarding 9/11 with the hope there might be conversations regarding what he mentioned, but for now, there haven’t been any. Perhaps because people feel it’s easier to hate/fear something inanimate rather than getting to the heart of the issue(s) that plague us today? Who knows?!!!? All I know is no revolution is going to happen on these boards with everyone hiding behind their religious armour.

Therefore, the divide and conquer IS working. Well, on these boards, it is.

 

[The Zone]

I just find the baiting tiresome. Attacks on anyone or anything gets old. I mean, they say insanity is to repeat things over and over expecting different results. If that is true, then this forum has jumped the shark. I will call some out on their comments but rarely, if ever, their religion. It is important to realize that I avoid a lot of threads here and miss stuff on purpose, only to occasionally see other comments. I try to remain as objective as possible.

 

[enderpotato00]

I just find the baiting tiresome. Attacks on anyone or anything gets old. I mean, they say insanity is to repeat things over and over expecting different results. If that is true, then this forum has jumped the shark. I will call some out on their comments but rarely, if ever, their religion. It is important to realize that I avoid a lot of threads here and miss stuff on purpose, only to occasionally see other comments. I try to remain as objective as possible.

I means Jews get attacked on here all the time, why are muslims exempt from criticism it seems? Not trying to sound bad, but just wondering.