Zionism: Is it Biblical?

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A very interesting observation. Like a computer Zip file, there are a number of things that need unpacking from this....

What did the Biblical Jews understand by the word “Zionist”?

Were the “ideals” theirs or Gods

What concept hijacked this original “godly” Zionism?

Is the idea that the Biblical promises of a return to Israel following a diaspora are automatically far removed from these prophetic visions?
that u cant tell the diff between whats in the bible and what israel is, says it all

you're lost man.

the same bible foretold mystery babylon and the wothless shepherd in zech 11
ezekiel 38 paints the total opposite version of how the remnant will return to the holy land

u should know this stuff but of course you dont.
 

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A very interesting observation. Like a computer Zip file, there are a number of things that need unpacking from this....

[1] What did the Biblical Jews understand by the word “Zionist”?

[2] Were the “ideals” theirs or Gods

[3] What concept hijacked this original “godly” Zionism?

[4] Is the idea that the Biblical promises of a return to Israel following a diaspora are automatically far removed from these prophetic visions?
[1] Biblical jews didn't have the word "Zionist", it is a modern invention. Orthodox Judaim and most other Jewish Sects teach that Zionism contrary to Torah. There are a much greater percentage of Christians that support the Zionism then Jews, but the Illuminati don''t want you to know that. The first hard core Zionist supporters were the Rothschild Family, the public "head" family of the Illuminati. (They aren't the primary family, but they appear to be).

[2] The "ideals" of Zionism are definitely not God's.

[3] Zionism wasn't ever "godly", it originated in the minds of the Illuminati, and they use their secular "Jewish" in name only puppets to push it on the world.

[4] That is a matter up for debate, even amongst knowledgable Christian & Jewish scholars. The key here is that the Bible has clear commandments to be obeyd, Zionism contradicts these commandments which is another one of the reasons why religious Jews believe that Zionism is evil. When you're in Israel, you might be surprised to find that thousands of Orthodox Jews demonstrate side by side with the Palistinians against Zionism. However, the Illuminati news services that control the Western news hide that from you.
 
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Don't you move the goal post to suit your purposes.
I didn’t move anything. You said the Bible has been corrupted from the original revelations, remember?

The message of the Quran is that the books that are with the people of the book do not conform with the original revelations given to the prophets Moses, Jesus and David peace be upon them.
But the Quran says that the Bible is the truth. When I asked you about that, you started talking about contradictions in the Bible, so if anyone moved the goalposts, it's you.

If the Bible has been corrupted from the original revelations, as Muslims these days claim it has, and considering that at the time the Quran was supposedly transmitted Muhammad said that the Bible was the truth, at what point after Muhammad affirmed the Bible did it become corrupted? You should have an answer to that, if that's what you believe.
 

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You clearly don't even know what Zionism is. It has nothing to do with the Bible.
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Isaiah 2:3 not only affirms that Israel (the House of Jacob) will inhabit Zion, but that God himself will rule from there.

Jeremiah also prophecies about Jerusalem being the seat of the Lord.

Then shall there enter into the gates of this city kings and princes sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, they, and their princes, the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: and this city shall remain for ever.

And we read about it in Luke.

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

God made a promise to David that the Lord would sit on his throne. I'm not sure why some Christians are so eager to deny that God will fulfil his word.
 

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. The first hard core Zionist supporters were the Rothschild Family, the public "head" family of the Illuminati. (They aren't the primary family, but they appear to be).
What do you mean ? The Rothschild seems to be head of illuminati. Who is the primary family for you??
 

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A few spanners to thow in the mix:
- Jews by definition didn't exist until Jesus was crucified, the Israelites were a specific bloodline for God's purpose of bringing Jesus into the world. After Jesus died and rose again, any Israelite who believed Jesus was the son of God became 'born again'. A Jew is someone of Israelite bloodline who doesn't believe Jesus is the Son of God.
- The word Israel in the OT refers to the cohort of the 12 tribes, but in a prophetic sense, Israel and Zion refers to the body of Christ aka 'the Church'. ( Not the religious system of church).
- Zionism is a luciferic religion that capitalises on the Old testament bloodline of the Israelites, yet does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as King of Kings.

Yes there are all sorts of universal principles of morals, values, numbers, Hebrew words and the like, all contained within the Old Testament that have their part to play in coming to an understanding of Truth, but with Zionism, the elements of truth are disconnected from the person of Jesus Christ and so the elements of truth become peverted and only function to serve a foundation of selfishness!
 

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The Bible can and has been used to support many things, Slavery, racism, killing Palestinians because they are Amalek and Zionism. Now imagine how silly it would be if there was a group of Christians who called themselves 'Christian Anti Christs' and yet, they could, just like 'Christian' Zionists who are looking forward to the 3rd temple, explain it as being Godly because the Bible mentions the 'Anti Christ' ..Ridiculous!

Then you have the sheer hypocrisy that is 'Christian Zionism' 'Anyone who curses a Jew or Israel will be cursed by God' yet these same people have absolutely no trouble in cursing Finkelstein, Pappe, Chomsky etc and therefore, by their own beliefs, are cursed by God. Then there's the hypocrisy relating to anti Semitism. Zionist heroes include Arthur Lord Balfour and Churchill yet both were anti Semites and in more modern times we have John Hagee anti Semite and Zionist hero and champion. I wont go into the hypocrisy concerning dividing the land but i will say that Jesus warned us about such hypocrisy only instead of it being the 'Yeast of the Pharisees' it's now, in its modern form, Yeast of the Zionists.

Be careful Christian Zionists that you're not being led astray.
 
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If the Bible has been corrupted from the original revelations, as Muslims these days claim it has, and considering that at the time the Quran was supposedly transmitted Muhammad said that the Bible was the truth, at what point after Muhammad affirmed the Bible did it become corrupted? You should have an answer to that, if that's what you believe.
The Quran states that the gospel of Jesus (peace be upon him) the actual text which was revealed upon Jesus is not corrupt.
The new testament is composed of the writings of others hence these are corrupt.
The Quran talks about the original Gospel which did not survive, although, we do know that remnants of the original gospel of Jesus peace be upon him exist in the new testament.
All the text of the new testament is not from the original injeel (gospel).

Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah and what has been revealed to us and what has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants [al-Asbat]1 and what was given to Moses and Jesus and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." 2:136

Here are a kist of the differences between Islam and Christianity for your information:

"These are the most significant deviations in their religion, which widen the gap between us Muslims and them:

1.The Christian belief that the Messiah is the son of God.

2.The Christian belief that the Messiah (peace be upon him) is a god alongside God and that he is the second person of the holy trinity, according to their beliefs.

3.The belief that divinity may be incarnated in humanity.

4.The belief that God is formed of three Persons, which is known as the doctrine of the trinity.

5.The Christian belief that the Messiah (peace be upon him) was crucified by the Jews on the command of Pontius Pilate, and that he died on the cross.

6.The Christian belief that the Messiah died on the cross as a ransom for mankind and as expiation for original sin.

7.The Christian attitude towards the Jews who disbelieved in Jesus (peace be upon him) and claimed that they crucified him and killed him, and they accused his mother Mary (Maryam) of fornication – of which she was innocent – yet despite all that their attitude towards them today is one of support and loyalty, and their attitude towards the Muslims who venerate Jesus (peace be upon him) and his mother is one of enmity and disavowal.

8.Their distortion of the Book of God the Gospel (Injeel), whether they distorted the words by changing them or by adding words, or they distorted the meaning, and in doing that they attribute things to God that cannot be attributed to Him.

9.The doctrine of redemption, which is their belief that God sent His only son to redeem mankind from a sin committed by the father of mankind (Adam – peace be upon him), but God was unable to forgive his sin, so He sent His only son who had no sin, to sacrifice himself in order to do away with sin. This is an attribution of imperfection to the Lord of the Worlds and a denial of the fact that Adam (peace be upon him) repented and Allaah saved the Messiah (peace be upon him) from death.

10. Their disbelief in the Prophethood of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), even though he is mentioned in the Old and New Testaments.

11. Their belief in the soundness of the distorted Torah that they have in front of them today, which contains insults against God, describing Him as having shortcomings, and insults against the Prophets and Messengers, saying things that one can hardly dare utter, but we mention them in order to highlight the abhorrent nature of the kufr (disbelief) that they follow. They describe God as weeping with regret for the Flood which drowned the people of Noah, until His eyes became sore, and the angels came to visit Him – exalted be He far above that.

They describe Lot (peace be upon him) as committing incest with his two daughters, and Noah as drinking wine until he became drunk and his ‘awrah (nakedness) became visible. And there are even more foolish stories than that. "

And Allaah knows best.
source: https://islamqa.info
 

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The Quran states that the gospel of Jesus (peace be upon him) the actual text which was revealed upon Jesus is not corrupt.
The new testament is composed of the writings of others hence these are corrupt.
The quran was dictated by an angel... and so the quran are the sayings of that angel.

Your knowledge of God come from the mouth of one angel.


An angel that is outed by a true prophet of God as a false god on the temple mount.
 

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BTW God does not need a son to forgive people.
God is sufficient for forgiveness!
God does not need others!
Good forgives freely without those pagan beliefs about sacrificing an innocent. You just need to repent.
Are there only clown courts in muslim nations ?

If a muslim committs a crime... the muslim judge just forgive him ?
 

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What do you mean ? The Rothschild seems to be head of illuminati. Who is the primary family for you??
The primary is Satan. The higher families are nameless. Most people who wake up still have to understand that even the "hidden" information is still a trail of breadcrumbs. Guess who leaves them? This "Great Reset" is changing all that.
 

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A few spanners to thow in the mix:
- Jews by definition didn't exist until Jesus was crucified, the Israelites were a specific bloodline for God's purpose of bringing Jesus into the world. After Jesus died and rose again, any Israelite who believed Jesus was the son of God became 'born again'. A Jew is someone of Israelite bloodline who doesn't believe Jesus is the Son of God.
- The word Israel in the OT refers to the cohort of the 12 tribes, but in a prophetic sense, Israel and Zion refers to the body of Christ aka 'the Church'. ( Not the religious system of church).
- Zionism is a luciferic religion that capitalises on the Old testament bloodline of the Israelites, yet does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as King of Kings.

Yes there are all sorts of universal principles of morals, values, numbers, Hebrew words and the like, all contained within the Old Testament that have their part to play in coming to an understanding of Truth, but with Zionism, the elements of truth are disconnected from the person of Jesus Christ and so the elements of truth become peverted and only function to serve a foundation of selfishness!
Jews come from the tribe of JUDAH, they've been around since their father Judah was sired by Jacob, so:
NO to your first point.

"Zion refers to the body of Christ" bullshit. I read, write, and speak Biblical Hebrew. "Zion" in Ivrit ("Hebrew") transliterated is "Tsiyon" and literally means the Mountain of Jerusalem. so:
NO to your second point.

TOTALLY YES to your third point. ( "Zionism is a luciferic religion that capitalises on the Old testament bloodline of the Israelites, yet does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as King of Kings." )
 

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Zionism is the establishment and defence of the jewish homeland.


If anybody got a problem with that... then try do something about it.
 

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Zionism is the establishment and defence of the jewish homeland.


If anybody got a problem with that... then try do something about it.
Zionism is Illuminati run Jews against the rest of us. Those who support Zionism are a traitor to the sons of Israel. You want to fight for our right to Eretz Yisrael? Fine. I'm with you. You want to violate Torah to do it? Go eat a pig.
 

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Zionism is Illuminati run Jews against the rest of us. Those who support Zionism are a traitor to the sons of Israel. You want to fight for our right to Eretz Yisrael? Fine. I'm with you. You want to violate Torah to do it? Go eat a pig.
Shut up munk.
 
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A1) Who does the Bible say that the Land of Israel belongs to? Really? Neither Jews nor Palistinians nor the UN are going to like this one.
A2) If it partially belongs to the Jews, are the people claiming to be Jews really them? (I could go for days alone on this one)
A3) If the modern people claiming to be Jews aren't, then who are the real ones?
A4) The Jews are only a fraction of the Hebrews, so where are the rest? Who do we give most of the land to - nobody?
A5) What if we find out that the Jews living there now really arent Jews? What do we do with them?
A6) What if the Jews living there really are Jews, but they are occupying the lands of the rest of the Tribes of Israel?
Since these questions went unanswered I’ll give them a try.

A) God did say that the land belongs to the Him but He also PROMISED to give that land(s) to the descendants of Abraham thru Jacob for ALL time.

A2) No the people in that land they call Israel are not the people of the book. And all anybody that says they are would have to do is pull out the Bible and prove it. Because the Bible says that when the people of Israel disobey God theyre at the bottom, but when they obey they’re at the top. I don’t think that fits what we see today from the secular “Jews”

A3-6) The real Israelites are whoever have the curses for disobedience(or blessings for
Obedience) mentioned in Deuteronomy 28 on their nation of people. So If there’s a group of people who hold a large amount of power and influence, who got their people their own land thru the aide of foreign govts but they’re not Torah observant? Then the Bible isn’t talking about them....

Which leads to not only the people being off but the land as well. You won’t find ONE reference to Israel being in the Middle East before the 1800s, IF NOT, 1900s. And if you go even further back you can read about a senator named Elijah Haines in the 1800s writing about similarity after similarity (certain) American Indians had with Israelite/Torah culture. Go even further back to Colombus and you’d see that he believed, and got a king/queen to sign off on the idea that Israel was on the other side of the world from Europe. Meaning not a hop skip away south east but in the Americas.

Moses by definition was a Zionist. The difference being that he was doing it, at least according to him (and the way I see it) at the behest of the Creator. And that’s shown by His keeping and him teaching others to keep the Creators laws. The modern day zionists are all secular and that’s further proven when they got their land and started putting Freemason pyramids and obelisks on it while having gay parades. ALL things forbidden in the Torah showing that their “zion” isn’t the biblical one in ideology OR location..
 
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