@TokiEl I just want to pull you up on a disgusting remark you made...i only noticed it now.
Here is my original post.
2) the God of Abraham and Isaac and Ismael and Noah and Moses and David and Jesus etc is "Lucifer" ? Even though in isaiah 14 that verse was not even about satan but the king of Babylon.
This is your response
You must mean the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
So basically, your 'God' is not the God of Ismael, but is most def the God of Isaac (and the rest)?
It shows you're selective with the Biblical story, in a manner that serves your little ego, that's why it's a disgusting comment.
There aren't many people in history who have this said about them
17 God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there.
18 Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”
19 Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water. So she went and filled the skin with water and gave the boy a drink.
20 God was with the boy as he grew up. He lived in the desert and became an archer. 21 While he was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt.
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. Twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
I think you're a fake christian, you aren't a real one. You're only christian in terms of identity which you see through the lens of your ego. A real christian would have no reason to make such a sly comment or to even claim islam is a luciferian religion. If you were really bible-conscious, ie aware and wary of what is in the book, you would examine your criticism of islam in light of the fact it is a religion that bases itself off God's relationship with Ismael whilst believing in ALL the prophets.
in islam, there is also the concept of caliphs, vicegerents of God on earth..from which there would be a total of 12 belonging to Quraysh, who descend from Ismael through Kedar.
It is my understanding those 12 represent the '12 princes' promise
Here is how some fake christians have interpreted the related verses from Genesis 17
20 And as for Ishmael, I’ve heard you. I’ll bless him, and he’ll have many descendants.[m] I will multiply him greatly, he’ll father twelve tribal leaders, and I’ll cause his descendants[n] to become a great nation.
instead of
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. Twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
12 tribal leaders is an insignificant statement...eg in the mind of any false christian like yourself, it would mean
'oh yeh some 12 random guys in history'..
but the arabs were never a 'great nation' before islam. They had barely any history and were pagan, hardly 'great'.
(1) Narrated Jabir bin Samura: I heard the Prophet saying, "There will be twelve Muslim rulers (who will rule all the Islamic world)." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, "All of them (those rulers) will be from Quraish." (Book #89, Hadith #329)
That is significant...and it is the only indicator in history that's worthy of that promise from God.
if God really made such SIGNIFICANT statements about Ismael...then was it through islam or before islam or a future context?
if it was 'before' then when? when God makes a statement like that 'make them a great nation' that is a huge deal.
i would be pissed off if this was fulfilled by some historical fart in the wind that no one ever knew of. It also cannot refer to the 12 sons of Ismael...they lived in the wilderness probably with hardly any population, hardly great and hardly significant in history.
When God has raised 4 beasts who were VERY significant in history, then in my view, a 'GREAT NATION' (in God's own words) through someone He has BLESSED must be a flipping mammoth of an empire that would last centuries.
I've read before, another idiotic statement by faux christians, that
"that will happen when JESUS CHRIST comes down and he rules the world, then the arabs will follow him and become christian and then become a great nation". However, that just doesnt add up.
Paul said about the jews
"by their tresspass the gentiles are reckoned", so when the messianic kingdom comes, that won't be the time of gentiles. The time of gentiles is as i said previously, mentioned in Revelation 11, the 1260 days, which is fulfilled in islam. This is the period muslims have ruled over jerusalem. This is significant given the 4 beasts are only relevant in history because they at some point had conquered Jerusalem. So it goes without saying a 'great nation' (in God's words) would be greater than those 4 beast.
Now even if you do manage to disagree with me, you would have to invent some type of magical argument in your head that answers the points i've made significantly, or do you what do best...just sprinkle about a bit of BS like you normally do, make daft statements and refuse to acknowledge real context.
to me, it all fits perfectly, God made a promise to Abraham and Hagar concerning Ismael and it came true through islam. The jews 'disbelieved' in Jesus and therefore the period of gentiles began. Christianity was the true religion, then it lost the way through church doctrines in Rome. God sent a new prophet, a gentile...also an ismaelite to fulfill the promise made to Ismael.
you're the guy who's been trying to argue with me using hieroglyphs just because the original hebrew alphabet was based off a shared language, even though hebrew contained no imagery in it's original form despite 'knowing' God has said "You shall not make Images"...instead attaching images in the actual name of God. It is fucking stupid beyond belief.
You've then gone on to claim islam is luciferianeven though lucifer is the name used in the latin vulgate for Morning star
{1:19} Et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem: cui benefacitis attendentes quasi lucernæ lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies elucescat, et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris:
{1:19} And so, we have an even firmer prophetic word, to which you would do well to listen, as to a light shining within a dark place, until the day dawns, and the daystar rises, in your hearts.
lucifer=phosphorus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorus_(morning_star)
you're honestly pretty dumb...and it annoys me we have guys like you on this forum. You won't learn from it either. I've seen too many like you.