Yahweh or Jehovah?

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1) the very people who own, have built and are controlling Israel as those same ppl.
The Balfour declaration was written to Lord Rothschild.
You continuously diss muslims for opposing those people.
As i said i'm sure there are ungodly Jews as well... and i'm sure God got their number.

2) the God of Abraham and Isaac and Ismael and Noah and Moses and David and Jesus etc is "Lucifer" ? Even though in isaiah 14 that verse was not even about satan but the king of Babylon.
You must mean the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

And speaking for Him is the prophet Isaiah prophesying about an impostor translated as Lucifer who would also sit on Mount Zion but will end up in the lowest bowels of the Pit. And that's the god of the two mosques on the Temple Mount... the idol of Islam.


3) Hebrew letters like Arabic are derived from earlier phonician which came from Egyptian heiroglyphs. However by that point they had evolved. Hebrew never contained images.
Moses wrote in the Proto-Sinaitic script (known as Proto-Canaanite when found in Canaan) which was the ancestor of the Phonician or PaleoHebrew script which came into use later around the time of king David.

And in that script the Proto-Sinaitic script (Proto-Canaanite) the actual Name of God was written or drawn as...

 





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As i said i'm sure there are ungodly Jews as well... and i'm sure God got their number.


You must mean the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

And speaking for Him is the prophet Isaiah prophesying about an impostor translated as Lucifer who would also sit on Mount Zion but will end up in the lowest bowels of the Pit. And that's the god of the two mosques on the Temple Mount... the idol of Islam.



Moses wrote in the Proto-Sinaitic script (known as Proto-Canaanite when found in Canaan) which was the ancestor of the Phonician or PaleoHebrew script which came into use later around the time of king David.

And in that script the Proto-Sinaitic script (Proto-Canaanite) the actual Name of God was written or drawn as...

@PlaneJane i'm sorry for derailing your thread...but i have to point out the nonsense some of your people come out with.


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As i said i'm sure there are ungodly Jews as well... and i'm sure God got their number.
No, you're here trying to diss islam/muslims for being opposed to the state of Israel and can't openly admit that israel is satanic. It is owned by luciferians. The city of jerusalem has gay pride events and satanic symbolism all over it...because of 'israel' not because of muslims.


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And speaking for Him is the prophet Isaiah prophesying about an impostor translated as Lucifer who would also sit on Mount Zion but will end up in the lowest bowels of the Pit. And that's the god of the two mosques on the Temple Mount... the idol of Islam.

Isaiah 14, is about the king of babylon.

3 On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoiland from the harsh labor forced on you, 4 you will take up this tauntagainst the king of Babylon:


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proto-sinaitic wasn't what you could call an 'alphabet' but more like hieroglyphs. proto-canaanite adapted from that and was the first proper alphabet and arguably, paleo-hebrew came from that.

proto-sinaitic script
Yod=Arm
He=praise/jubilation
Waw=mace

what you're doing is picking the core meanings from any of those scripts/alphabets to fit into your position. it doesnt work like that...eg you kept repeating the word 'peg' before, but that's for another letter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samekh
(sin, pronounced seen) in arabic. Funny, i didnt know that.

Now going back to Yod as Arm, in it's original form it was an arm/hand but that's really because certain words symbolise a letter. For exmaple A for Apple, imagine English was based on an ancient script where Apple symbolised..do we really want to assume an A in any name/word suddenly must inc a context linked to an apple?

it's desperation man, you come up with new type of arguments as faux christians in order to try and put something on islam after failing time and time again with theological or relevant arguments.

In Surah 17 verse 104, it tells us that the land is promised to the israelites eg that they will be gathered as a 'mingled crowd' eg mixed, from all over the world. However that is a messianic prophecy.
i've shown you types before that Jews even had a jewish state in the 7th century that they considered messianic at the time and jews were 'returning' there.
Yet would christians back then, the byzantines, have considered the jews to be 'fulfilling prophecy'? back then the christians were their enemy.
This type of hypocrisy can't be brushed under the carpet. God is going to expose every single thing within us one day..
The finest example of what you're really about, is perfectly displayed in my second point. You don't even realise Isaiah 14 was about the babylonian king despite that being in the chapter..and Christians already knowing/accepting that.

seriously your only job in life was to be a christian and learn your scriptures, but you couldnt even get that right.
 





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Neither, both are myths.

"God" is something else entirely. Spinoza was in the right lane.

God is :
the sum of the natural and physical laws of the universe and certainly not an individual entity or creator"



"Whatever is, is in God, and nothing can be or be conceived without God"

Baruch Spinoza
 





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As i said i'm sure there are ungodly Jews as well... and i'm sure God got their number.
No, you're here trying to diss islam/muslims for being opposed to the state of Israel and can't openly admit that israel is satanic. It is owned by luciferians. The city of jerusalem has gay pride events and satanic symbolism all over it...because of 'israel' not because of muslims.
I diss everybody man. It's what i do.L0L. No seriously Islam and Muslims don't need my help to diss themselves with terror knife stabbing and car ramming. You're in a death cult man.


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And speaking for Him is the prophet Isaiah prophesying about an impostor translated as Lucifer who would also sit on Mount Zion but will end up in the lowest bowels of the Pit. And that's the god of the two mosques on the Temple Mount... the idol of Islam.

Isaiah 14, is about the king of babylon.

3 On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoiland from the harsh labor forced on you, 4 you will take up this tauntagainst the king of Babylon:

There is a prophetic modern Babylon as well and Lucifer is the king of not only old and new Babylon but most if not all nations except Israel where Jesus Christ is King although the Jews have no idea about that fact.


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proto-sinaitic wasn't what you could call an 'alphabet' but more like hieroglyphs. proto-canaanite adapted from that and was the first proper alphabet and arguably, paleo-hebrew came from that.
It's really not that hard to understand man.

Here is how Moses wrote the personal Name of God.



So the personal Name of God looks like... a hand and a person and a nail and a person.
 





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I diss everybody man. It's what i do.L0L. No seriously Islam and Muslims don't need my help to diss themselves with terror knife stabbing and car ramming. You're in a death cult man.

You're a real hard bastard, I can tell.

When you get pmc's like blackwater owned by Erik Prince talking about crusading in the middle east, killing 'hajis' etc. The christian right are very influential in the US. They fund and shape US foreign policy..and we know what the US is, everyone knows. So you're out of luck with those arguments.


2) There is a prophetic modern Babylon as well and Lucifer is the king of not only old and new Babylon but most if not all nations except Israel where Jesus Christ is King although the Jews have no idea about that fact.

you just make it up as you go along and make a tit of yourself. In Revelation 2, Jesus says "i will give him the morning star". Morning star is a symbolic reference to Wisdom. It is only used in a sarcastic tone in Isaiah 14 where it is talking about the actual king of Babylon. Hence there really is no 'lucifer' in the way you're using. Satan, was never called lucifer directly. it is a fairly modern name attributing to satan.
Trying to insinuate it means anything other than that is idiotic.

Also, yes, there is a modern babylon, it's modern Israel, or more like the people who own it. The whore/adulteress in Jeremiah 2&3, the woman in the basket taking to Babylon 'to set her house there' in Zechariah 5.
my knowledge of the bible is impeccable. You barely understand it.

3) You have tried and failed with this argument already. The paleo-hebrew doesn't contain images..and the meanings derived from the proto-sinaitic hieroglyphs do not match with what you said as I have already proven.

proto-sinaitic script
Yod=Arm
He=praise/jubilation
Waw=mace
 





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1) isn't that like today where modern Israel with satanic symbolism and masonic lodges in Jerusalem along with gay pride events. Like it said in revelation 11 "like sodom and Egypt"
Wasnt like that before.

2) "give it to Muslims" erm yeh because when Jesus is here Muslims Christians and Jews are still going to be arguing over the trinitarian doctrine or whether Jesus was the messiah right?

Qur'an chapter 17
104 And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) عليهما السلام on the earth], We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd (gathered out of various nations). (Tafsir Al-Qurtubi,).

This is the original promise of Zion. Through and for the messiah, not the imposter mystery Babylon version.
That time hasn't come yet.

In fact I have talked about the above verse 4-5 diff times on this forum.

3) YHWH
Yad doesn't mean hand like "palm of the hand" but in the context of pointing/finger. Hence it also refers to a pointer. Or rather the pointer is called the Hand.

I actually believe in the crucifixion. It's the fact you're wrong on this I'm pointing it out
Yod... the hand or finger of God. That is my understanding too, but it still works in that context, I think.
 





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I diss everybody man. It's what i do.L0L. No seriously Islam and Muslims don't need my help to diss themselves with terror knife stabbing and car ramming. You're in a death cult man.

You're a real hard bastard, I can tell.

When you get pmc's like blackwater owned by Erik Prince talking about crusading in the middle east, killing 'hajis' etc. The christian right are very influential in the US. They fund and shape US foreign policy..and we know what the US is, everyone knows. So you're out of luck with those arguments.
The US was founded by Masons who slowly but surely swelled til they were strong enough to run the US as their own personal Corporation. Masons are according to the writings of their own grand masters serving Lucifer... who in the English translation is mentioned in Isaiah 14. That being was prophecied to also sit on the mount of the congregation which is Mount Zion... and there on the Temple Mount are two mosques with the inscription...God has no son.

So Lucifer as he is called in English is the same as Allah.

And that's why the ruling Masons in the West have flooded the US and Europe with Muslims... because they serve the same god who is an adversary to Jews and Christians in particular... but in reality an adversary of all people or human beings in general.

Now there is a serpent seed... who are the top of the chain of command... who are not exactly human. They can trace their line back to a fallen angel and are in enmity with human beings. They used to be kings and queens... and probably still are.


2) There is a prophetic modern Babylon as well and Lucifer is the king of not only old and new Babylon but most if not all nations except Israel where Jesus Christ is King although the Jews have no idea about that fact.

you just make it up as you go along and make a tit of yourself. In Revelation 2, Jesus says "i will give him the morning star". Morning star is a symbolic reference to Wisdom. It is only used in a sarcastic tone in Isaiah 14 where it is talking about the actual king of Babylon. Hence there really is no 'lucifer' in the way you're using. Satan, was never called lucifer directly. it is a fairly modern name attributing to satan.
The being in Isaiah 14 is named Heylel in Hebrew... which was translated as Lucifer in English. It is a real being who would also sit on Mount Zion. And that's the god of Islam whom you call Allah which is just the semitic generic term for god.


Also, yes, there is a modern babylon, it's modern Israel, or more like the people who own it. The whore/adulteress in Jeremiah 2&3, the woman in the basket taking to Babylon 'to set her house there' in Zechariah 5.
In Zechariah 5 the prophet is shown a vision of a flying (sc)roll with the length 30 feet and the width or circumference of 15 feet and is told... This is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole earth.

And it is God himself who will send forth this curse to consume both timber and stone of the house of thieves and perjurers.

Furthermore the angel is showing Zechariah what now goes forth... and it is an ephah or container with a volume of about 5 gallons in which is a lead disc... and a woman ? sitting inside this epaha or container/basket. And according to the angel this woman ? is wickedness and so he thrust her down into the basket and threw the led cover over its mouth.

Well that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Now the Hebrew word for woman is ish and the Hebrew word for fire is esh. So if not a wicked woman but a wicked fire is ment it all makes perfect sense. The angel is describing a nuclear warhead which also goes forth from a ballistic missile.


Also, yes, there is a modern babylon, it's modern Israel, or more like the people who own it. The whore/adulteress in Jeremiah 2&3, the woman in the basket taking to Babylon 'to set her house there' in Zechariah 5.
my knowledge of the bible is impeccable. You barely understand it.
Well that's your words and i do not concur. I was about to say you're a delusional in a death cult... but what's the point ?

So it's not two women seen lifting the basket but two fire stages of a ballistic missile.

And for the basket or nuclear warhead... a house or silo will be built for it in Babylon.


3) You have tried and failed with this argument already. The paleo-hebrew doesn't contain images..and the meanings derived from the proto-sinaitic hieroglyphs do not match with what you said as I have already proven.

proto-sinaitic script
Yod=Arm
He=praise/jubilation
Waw=mace
I see a hand/arm and a person and a nail/peg and a person... for the personal Name of God in the ProtoSinaitic script.

 





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I’ve been calling “Jesus” by His real name Jeshuah for several years now.
I thought I had it figured out that the true name of God was Yahweh for a few years too. It has come to my attention that Yahweh May have been the name of that jerk god Jupiter that the tribe of Judah took over from the Caananites.
Has anyone truly studied up on this?
My study seems to show that Jehovah may be what our Father wants us to call him. What are your thoughts on this?
What’s wrong with calling God “God”, and Jesus “Jesus”?

Are you not an English speaker?

Do you not believe the Word of God has been translated into the English language accurately?
 





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The US was founded by Masons who slowly but surely swelled til they were strong enough to run the US as their own personal Corporation. Masons are according to the writings of their own grand masters serving Lucifer... who in the English translation is mentioned in Isaiah 14. That being was prophecied to also sit on the mount of the congregation which is Mount Zion... and there on the Temple Mount are two mosques with the inscription...God has no son.

So Lucifer as he is called in English is the same as Allah.

And that's why the ruling Masons in the West have flooded the US and Europe with Muslims... because they serve the same god who is an adversary to Jews and Christians in particular... but in reality an adversary of all people or human beings in general.

Now there is a serpent seed... who are the top of the chain of command... who are not exactly human. They can trace their line back to a fallen angel and are in enmity with human beings. They used to be kings and queens... and probably still are.
1) Isaiah 14 is about the KING of Babylon. He conquered Jerusalem. The prophecy was about that.
2) Muslims on the temple mount, the mosques etc. It's right there in Revelation 11. The gentiles on the outer court. 1260 days (days=years in prophecy). The 2 witnesses symbolise islam and christianity. the 1260 days represent the time the muslims have controlled the temple mount.
3) In the parable of tenants, Jesus Christ spoke of the vineyard (JERUSALEM!!) and told the jews they will be kicked out by the landowner (God), the land would be given to more deserving tenants who will produce the fruit.
As soon as islam came, christians lost it. Muslims took it and apart from the crusades where the city was full of blood spilt by crusaders, the city of jerusalem has been peaceful until the colonial era/zionism.
They want to rebuld the temple of Solomon. The KNIGHTS TEMPLARS, they crusaded against muslims. How dumb are you?

So the longest time Jerusalem/the holy land has had peace, came because of muslims.
In the history of jews, they didnt bring peace to jerusalem. The old testament and the new testament are full of evidence against them.

4) God doesn't beget a son or 'sons'. The terminology is not literal, but only metaphorical/symbolic of God's Expression via the LOGOS/WORD/IMAGE of God. The problem with christianity really is that this term 'son' was divorced from it's original judaic/hellenised context and instead taken literally by dumb people. As it happens, nothing has changed, most christians think the Son=baby Jesus, rather than the universal Logos.
5) none of your argument's prove Allah is 'lucifer'. You haven't even began adressing the context behind lucifer and the fact that the MORNING STAR=LUCIFER anyway, hence in Rev 2 Jesus Christ is saying he will give the morning star/lucifer....
in reality, lucifer/the morning star is a symbolic term to describe the light of Wisdom. It was only used in jest towards the king of babylon due to his own perceived sense of wisdom.
6) wtf, the masons are the reason why modern israel exists..and last time i looked they're at war with real muslims, other than house saud which is in bed with them.
As for immigration...again this reflects your crap knowledge of the bible. Daniel 2's 'feet of iron and clay' are about the plan to build a globalised world. The 'image of the beast' represents the global thoughtform/hive mind. It is effectively shaping up as an entity in it's own right that is served/worshipped and provides those who feed it, with some rewards. It is a product of sin, that relies on the energy of sin (our seed and blood), hence the 2 world wars, bolshevism, the holocast, the ongoing wars in the middle east/afghanistan etc and the many blood sacrifice ritual, the sexual deviant shit inc spreading pornography, is their game. It is more against islam than it is any other religion. Christianity has supported it, afterall they have sprang up from christian civilisation. ROME/THE BEAST's latter day reemergence came about primarily because of the protestant movement and led to the rise of roman colonies to become conquerers/colonialists. Everything/country they conquered became commonwealth nations and extentions of themselves, hence all became part of Rome. Just like Paul the apostle was a 'roman citizen' despite being a jew from judea.




The being in Isaiah 14 is named Heylel in Hebrew... which was translated as Lucifer in English. It is a real being who would also sit on Mount Zion. And that's the god of Islam whom you call Allah which is just the semitic generic term for god.
I've already addressed this in point 1 above. Very very poor from you.


In Zechariah 5 the prophet is shown a vision of a flying (sc)roll with the length 30 feet and the width or circumference of 15 feet and is told... This is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole earth.

And it is God himself who will send forth this curse to consume both timber and stone of the house of thieves and perjurers.

Furthermore the angel is showing Zechariah what now goes forth... and it is an ephah or container with a volume of about 5 gallons in which is a lead disc... and a woman ? sitting inside this epaha or container/basket. And according to the angel this woman ? is wickedness and so he thrust her down into the basket and threw the led cover over its mouth.

Well that doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Now the Hebrew word for woman is ish and the Hebrew word for fire is esh. So if not a wicked woman but a wicked fire is ment it all makes perfect sense. The angel is describing a nuclear warhead which also goes forth from a ballistic missile.

So it's not two women seen lifting the basket but two fire stages of a ballistic missile.

And for the basket or nuclear warhead... a house or silo will be built for it in Babylon.
u wot m8?
that made no sense whatsoever, are you interpreting it literally and then purposely substituting the word for Woman, with Fire? have some shame.

It shows how limited you are in connecting dots. Timber/stones and the curse prophecy, is directly linked to Habakkuk 2

“‘Woe to him who piles up stolen goods
and makes himself wealthy by extortion!

this is a reference to usury, practiced by the chaldeans in babylon. Usury is something the jews are most famous for. hence it's connection to Zechariah 5 which is about jews. The one who swears=the one making the pledge/taking the loaned money. The theif is the money lender.

“Woe to him who builds his house by unjust gain,
setting his nest on high
to escape the clutches of ruin!
10 You have plotted the ruin of many peoples,
shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.
11 The stones of the wall will cry out,
and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

“Of what value is an idol carved by a craftsman?
Or an image that teaches lies?
For the one who makes it trusts in his own creation;
he makes idols that cannot speak.
19 Woe to him who says to wood, ‘Come to life!’
Or to lifeless stone, ‘Wake up!’


this all directly connects with Jeremiah 2 and 3, the jewish nation, the whore, the adulterness etc...all of the terminology is in those chapters inc the stones/trees part of it. This is all connected to jews and to the chaldeans of babylon.
as it happens, Abraham was a chaldean...
the jews are chaldeans as are arabs, so it is all amusing to me.
The jews even follow the babylonian talmud. Kabballah came from babylon.


I see a hand/arm and a person and a nail/peg and a person... for the personal Name of God in the ProtoSinaitic script.

repeating it doesnt make it true, the proto-sinaitic hieroglyphs influenced the paleo-hebrew/caananite alphabets, without carrying the same inherent meaning or direct imagery, as you can see, they differ.

for example...
suppose your name was Derek
and I was to attach an image to the first sound of your name....and it was a monkey.

then a long time later, someone else created an alphabet but kept the same sounds....and in this particular example, created the latin alphabet inc the letter D.
Does that mean, D also means monkey?


that reminds me of this

a scholar was once touring a village.

a village idiot asked him, "sir, what benefit did knowledge give you?"

scholar: it taught me to think with logic and reasoning.
village idiot: what are logic and reasoning?
scholar: let me show you by example. do you have a dog?
village idiot: yes.
scholar: does the dog guard your home?
village idiot: yes it does.
scholar: from this i can deduce that you want to protect your home. is that correct?
village idiot: correct.
scholar: from this i can deduce that you probably have a family whom you would like to protect. do you have a wife?
village idiot: yes.
scholar: from this i deduce that you're straight and not gay.
village idiot: yes, of course.
scholar: this is the benefit of logic and reasoning. notice how i came all the way from the dog to saying you're a straight man.
village idiot: thank you. i now understand what logic and reasoning are.

the village idiot then starts going around his village telling people he knows logic and reasoning. another person takes him up on it.

other villager: what's logic and reasoning?
village idiot: let me show you by example. do you have a dog?
other villager: no.
village idiot: (baffled) hmm, ok. you're gay.
other villager: no, i'm not. you speak rubbish.
village idiot: yes, you are. this is based on the principles of logic and reasoning. if you don't have a dog, you're gay."

in this case, you are the village idiot.

By repeating yourself, you're trying to dilute the answers ive given which delved deeper on the meaning of the letters in the judaic context. Even those meanings are subjective to 'rabbinic wisdom' via kabballah. Gematria itself is a highly questionable branch of knowledge in that it attaches meanings/numbers to letters inc in your name. in black magic, they use numerology/gematria to counter the positive aspects in your name/your mothers name with the belief that certain spirits rule a certain letter/number and for each good spirit there's a shadow aspect/bad spirit which they evoke.

This is a subjective branch of knowledge that only gains potency through collective belief that spans generations eg the letters/meanings actually become thoughtforms that are basically evoked. The 'spirits' are really human created thoughtforms...by believing in them, you lend power to that system which serves evil.
it isnt something i wish to follow/believe in.

astrolology works along the same lines, it is a subjective system created by people thousandsof years ago, to be used at will by those who posess knowledge of it. the more people believe in it, the more those people are able to inflence you by it.
still, i honestly doubt you posses the intellect to understand any of this though so i know my time has been wasted.
 





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1) Isaiah 14 is about the KING of Babylon. He conquered Jerusalem. The prophecy was about that.
He is specifically prophecied to also sit on the mount of the congregation... which is Mount Zion where the Israelites congregated for about a thousand years. And since the 7th century a foreign god has been squatting on Mount Zion... a god who contradicts the Bible inwhere God indeed has a Son.


2) Muslims on the temple mount, the mosques etc. It's right there in Revelation 11. The gentiles on the outer court. 1260 days (days=years in prophecy). The 2 witnesses symbolise islam and christianity. the 1260 days represent the time the muslims have controlled the temple mount.
1260 days is 3.5 years and not 1260 years.

The Scriptures seem to suggest that Israel will give up or loose control over the Old City at the start of the great tribulation which will last 3.5 years.


3) In the parable of tenants, Jesus Christ spoke of the vineyard (JERUSALEM!!) and told the jews they will be kicked out by the landowner (God), the land would be given to more deserving tenants who will produce the fruit.
Jesus spoke about the Kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

And that's the first Christians... named after Jesus Christ himself.


4) God doesn't beget a son or 'sons'. The terminology is not literal, but only metaphorical/symbolic of God's Expression via the LOGOS/WORD/IMAGE of God.
God and Son... are found in both the Old and the New Testament.

The author of the Quran is the squatter on Mount Zion who will eventually end up in the Pit according to the prophet Isaiah.


5) none of your argument's prove Allah is 'lucifer'. You haven't even began adressing the context behind lucifer and the fact that the MORNING STAR=LUCIFER anyway, hence in Rev 2 Jesus Christ is saying he will give the morning star/lucifer....
in reality, lucifer/the morning star is a symbolic term to describe the light of Wisdom. It was only used in jest towards the king of babylon due to his own perceived sense of wisdom.
Morning stars is the English translation of the transliterated Hebrew Boqer kowkab as in Job 38:7.

Job 38 7When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?



Lucifer son of the morning is the English translation of the transliterated Hebrew Heylel ben shachar as in Isaiah 14:12.

Isaiah 14 12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!


13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;


14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’


15Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.



As one can see Lucifer is the English translation of the Hebrew personal name Heylel. He is prophecied to also sit on Mount Zion but is destined for Hell. Notice the similarity between his personal name in Hebrew and the English our lingua franca name for Hell. And know that Hell was prepared for the Devil and his angels.


6) wtf, the masons are the reason why modern israel exists..and last time i looked they're at war with real muslims, other than house saud which is in bed with them.
A handful of Holocaust survivors were not supposed to survive the Arab-Israeli War in 1948. The Final Solution was supposed to be finished in 1948 when the Arabs attacked the two day old State of Israel. And again in 1967 and in 1973 Islam tried to finalize the Final Solution with the help of Soviet Union while the world stood watching and doing nothing but hoping that the Final Solution was at hand.


As for immigration...again this reflects your crap knowledge of the bible. Daniel 2's 'feet of iron and clay' are about the plan to build a globalised world.
Millions of Muslims have been mass imported by Masons into the US and Europe. And that is because they serve the same god. Masons call him Lucifer because he is the one who was prophecied to squat on Mount Zion in Isaiah 14.


u wot m8?
that made no sense whatsoever, are you interpreting it literally and then purposely substituting the word for Woman, with Fire? have some shame.
When reading Zechariah 5 from start to finish it is crystal clear that the prophet watched a ballistic missile and the angel explained a nuclear warhead. You can take your wicked woman in a basket interpretation back to kindergarten.

Yes nuclear war is promised by God !
 





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I’ve been calling “Jesus” by His real name Jeshuah for several years now.
I thought I had it figured out that the true name of God was Yahweh for a few years too. It has come to my attention that Yahweh May have been the name of that jerk god Jupiter that the tribe of Judah took over from the Caananites.
Has anyone truly studied up on this?
My study seems to show that Jehovah may be what our Father wants us to call him. What are your thoughts on this?
Yahovah is a hybrid that came into existence when the Masoretes vocalized the Tetragrammaton (YHVH) with the vowels of the Greek "Adonai" for pronounciation purposes. There's nothing more to it.
 





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He is specifically prophecied to also sit on the mount of the congregation... which is Mount Zion where the Israelites congregated for about a thousand years. And since the 7th century a foreign god has been squatting on Mount Zion... a god who contradicts the Bible inwhere God indeed has a Son.

1260 days is 3.5 years and not 1260 years.
I think you need to get a grip and realise you've lost this argument. All you're doing now is further digging your own hole. it is an absolute embarassment for any truth seeking christian to have you representing their religion.

To answer you
https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Mount-Assembly
MOUNT OF ASSEMBLY (הַר־מﯴעֵ֖ד). The prophet Isaiah contrasted the once haughty boastings of the king of Babylon with his present weak and helpless condition. He aspired to sit upon the mount of congregation—apparently some fancied Babylonian Olympus of the gods, but he has been cast down to the depths of Sheol (Isa 14:12-15; KJV, ASV MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION).

I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon


This isn't the temple Mount or Zion. Though he did also destroy the Temple of God in Jerusalem. Muslims never did that.


a day is a year in daniel's prophecies
eg 7 days=7 years, seventy 70s =490 years
1260 days=1260 years.

Muslims took jerusalem in the year 637 and held it to 1099=462
after the first crusade, the second conquest in 1187 to 1948 (creation of israel)=761
Total 1223 years. Converted to jewish years (354 days in a jewish yr) that 1223x1.03=1260yrs
You could not make it up.



The Scriptures seem to suggest that Israel will give up or loose control over the Old City at the start of the great tribulation which will last 3.5 years.
Daniel 7 and 9, are about Rome. fulfilled by Titus. Has absolutely no bearing for any future context. Yes i know you guys attempt desperatel to mix it up with Matthew 24, even though in daniel 7 it foretold the 'year of 4 emperors' and the rise of the little horn 'titus' who destroyed jerusalem and the temple. in daniel 7 it jumps directly from that event to the second coming. Everything inbetween is not told. This si left to the book of revelation.


Jesus spoke about the Kingdom of God would be taken from them and given to a people who will produce its fruit.

And that's the first Christians... named after Jesus Christ himself.
That was a statement about the future...in general eg whoever gets the 'vineyard' long term is a tenant put there by God. As soon as islam came, christians lost it. As if that wasnt a sign from above..
you took it by force via the 'knights templars' and the catholic church you now call 'satanic/pagan' and then accuse islam of being masonic. that's the level of stupidity i'm having to respond to.
you're embarassing yourself really.





Morning stars is the English translation of the transliterated Hebrew Boqer kowkab as in Job 38:7.

Job 38 7When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?



Lucifer son of the morning is the English translation of the transliterated Hebrew Heylel ben shachar as in Isaiah 14:12.

Isaiah 14 12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!


13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;


14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’


15Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.



As one can see Lucifer is the English translation of the Hebrew personal name Heylel. He is prophecied to also sit on Mount Zion but is destined for Hell. Notice the similarity between his personal name in Hebrew and the English our lingua franca name for Hell. And know that Hell was prepared for the Devil and his angels.
f 'sitting on mount zion'. I've already refuted this, Isaiah 14 was talking about the king of babylon.
Heylel ?
wow hark at you using the hebrew term to magically prove a point...Haylel just means 'the morning star' and as i have already proven, The morning star=Revelation 2, from Jesus Christ.
it is a reference to higher wisdom..but using it to describe angels or used in jest, is possible. You do not understand basic context.





A handful of Holocaust survivors were not supposed to survive the Arab-Israeli War in 1948. The Final Solution was supposed to be finished in 1948 when the Arabs attacked the two day old State of Israel. And again in 1967 and in 1973 Islam tried to finalize the Final Solution with the help of Soviet Union while the world stood watching and doing nothing but hoping that the Final Solution was at hand.]
no idea what the hell you're on about.
muslims are not angels. I've even shown you Surah 17:104 as evidence the Quran supports the 'messianic kingdom' because in it, Allah tells us the ISRAELITES will be gathered together as a sign of the last hour.
So i'm not fundamentally against the idea of a jewish state...however, when it comes to modern israeli zionism..a racist ideology founded by marxist/athiestic thugs with intent to wipe out arabs..yh fuck that version, fuck mystery babylon and all the people 'drunk on the wine of her adulteries' eg you.


Millions of Muslims have been mass imported by Masons into the US and Europe. And that is because they serve the same god. Masons call him Lucifer because he is the one who was prophecied to squat on Mount Zion in Isaiah 14.
still repeating the original shit point that's already been refuted easily and yes ive answered this point. colonialism, commonwealth nations, globalisation...how is that proof against islam? all you're doing is telling me what the Beast system and mystery babylon have done/are doing.
so they've imported millions of muslims? eh ive answered that, there are many reasons why, cheif of all...they are creating a globalised world culture, putting religions together etc.

the next time you try to bring up shit points without even acknowledging my previous response, im putting you on ignore. you're wasting my time.


When reading Zechariah 5 from start to finish it is crystal clear that the prophet watched a ballistic missile and the angel explained a nuclear warhead. You can take your wicked woman in a basket interpretation back to kindergarten.
lmfao no it isnt. You have isolated this text from all surrounding contexts which ive mentioned to you. ive spoonfed you valuable information but you are too thick to absorb it.

'it's a nuclear warhead'
and you even previously said it was GOD's nuclear warhead

what on earth is wrong with this kid?
 





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https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Mount-Assembly
MOUNT OF ASSEMBLY (הַר־מﯴעֵ֖ד). The prophet Isaiah contrasted the once haughty boastings of the king of Babylon with his present weak and helpless condition. He aspired to sit upon the mount of congregation—apparently some fancied Babylonian Olympus of the gods, but he has been cast down to the depths of Sheol (Isa 14:12-15; KJV, ASV MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION).

I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon


This isn't the temple Mount or Zion. Though he did also destroy the Temple of God in Jerusalem. Muslims never did that.
You are using the dubious New International Version (NIV) which are missing Bible verses and whose publisher also publish the Satanic Bible. So how can you not be a troll ?

Besides the NIV is the only Bible version which translates the Hebrew word tsaphown as Mount Zaphon. And that's a red flag in itself because tsaphown is used several times in the Bible and always everywhere is translated as north except this one time in the NIV.

The mount of the assembly or congregation is where the Israelites assembled or congregated for about a thousand years... and that was at the Temple on Mount Zion. The prophet Isaiah said someone else... Heylel in Hebrew and Lucifer in English...would also sit there on Mount Zion... but he would end up in Hell.



a day is a year in daniel's prophecies
eg 7 days=7 years, seventy 70s =490 years
1260 days=1260 years.

Muslims took jerusalem in the year 637 and held it to 1099=462
after the first crusade, the second conquest in 1187 to 1948 (creation of israel)=761
Total 1223 years. Converted to jewish years (354 days in a jewish yr) that 1223x1.03=1260yrs
You could not make it up.
No no no this is bullshite.

1260 days are 1260 days.

One sabuwa/seven/week in Daniel 9 is 7 years.

Your god is outed by the prophet Isaiah as a future Hell being troll.
 





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You are using the dubious New International Version (NIV) which are missing Bible verses and whose publisher also publish the Satanic Bible. So how can you not be a troll ?

Besides the NIV is the only Bible version which translates the Hebrew word tsaphown as Mount Zaphon. And that's a red flag in itself because tsaphown is used several times in the Bible and always everywhere is translated as north except this one time in the NIV.

The mount of the assembly or congregation is where the Israelites assembled or congregated for about a thousand years... and that was at the Temple on Mount Zion. The prophet Isaiah said someone else... Heylel in Hebrew and Lucifer in English...would also sit there on Mount Zion... but he would end up in Hell.





No no no this is bullshite.

1260 days are 1260 days.

One sabuwa/seven/week in Daniel 9 is 7 years.

Your god is outed by the prophet Isaiah as a future Hell being troll.
my friend, you are exposing yourself here.

In every version, commentary and context, isaiah 14 is about the king of babylon.
You havent explained to me why in Revelation 2 Jesus said he would give the MORNING STAR?
morning star symbolises the light of wisdom. it is only used in jest/irony in isaiah 14. morning star is not 'bad' and is certainly not satan..that is a modern use of the term.

I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:


MOUNT OF ASSEMBLY (הַר־מﯴעֵ֖ד). The prophet Isaiah contrasted the once haughty boastings of the king of Babylon with his present weak and helpless condition. He aspired to sit upon the mount of congregation—apparently some fancied Babylonian Olympus of the gods, but he has been cast down to the depths of Sheol (Isa 14:12-15; KJV, ASV MOUNT OF THE CONGREGATION).

Now let’s return to the first half of Psalm 89:12. The Hebrew word translated here as “north” is zaphon (צפון). Although this is an accurate translation in most instances, in this verse the word zaphon might not be a reference to a direction but a particular mountain called Zaphon. Mount Zaphon (or Mount Sapan) is the ancient name of a famous peak known today as Jebel Aqraa, which means “Bald Mountain” in Arabic, a reference to the unforested limestone summit visible from great distances. the highest mountain in Syria, located on the Mediterranean coast near the mouth of Orontes River. This was one of the holiest sites for the Canaanites because it was here that the great storm god Baal-Hadad was believed to dwell. Mount Zaphon is also mentioned in Psalm 48:2, where it is referred to as “the distant north” (yarketei zaphon, יַרְכְּתֵי צָפוֹן), a phrase alternatively translated as “the recesses of Zaphon” or “the summit of Zaphon”. Interestingly, Psalm 48 has chosen to take this ancient Canaanite name and move it to Jerusalem where a new mountain, Mount Zion, has become the holiest site in Israel. Another biblical verse that uses the same phrase to refer to this northern mountain is Isaiah 14:13, calling it “the mount of assembly on the summit of Zaphon” (הַר-מוֹעֵד בְּיַרְכְּתֵי צָפוֹן).

https://blog.israelbiblicalstudies.com/holy-land-studies/four-sacred-mountains/

just sharing what is out there.


No no no this is bullshite.

1260 days are 1260 days.

One sabuwa/seven/week in Daniel 9 is 7 years.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-year_principle
it is accurate in the context ive applied this to and you know it.
 





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my friend, you are exposing yourself here.

In every version, commentary and context, isaiah 14 is about the king of babylon.
You havent explained to me why in Revelation 2 Jesus said he would give the MORNING STAR?
morning star symbolises the light of wisdom. it is only used in jest/irony in isaiah 14. morning star is not 'bad' and is certainly not satan..that is a modern use of the term.
It's no point explaining to trolls... but i did explain it.

Boqer kowkab are the Hebrew words for the English morning stars... while Heylel ben shachar are the Hebrew words for the English Lucifer son of the morning. They are not the same ! The former are morning stars while the latter is the personal name of the Devil.

His name is Heylel... although he is also known as Satan Devil Dragon Serpent Lucifer etc etc... his name is Heylel.

And he is the king of Babylon both old and modern and he is squatting on Mount Zion. And you know him as Allah. He is the god of Theosophy and Freemasonry. He is Satan and the Devil and the Dragon... but his true name is Heylel.



Morning stars is the English translation of the transliterated Hebrew Boqer kowkab as in Job 38:7.

Job 38 7When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?



Lucifer son of the morning is the English translation of the transliterated Hebrew Heylel ben shachar as in Isaiah 14:12.

Isaiah 14 12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!


13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;


14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’


15Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.



As one can see Lucifer is the English translation of the Hebrew personal name Heylel. He is prophecied to also sit on Mount Zion but is destined for Hell. Notice the similarity between his personal name in Hebrew and the English our lingua franca name for Hell. And know that Hell was prepared for the Devil and his angels.
 





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It's no point explaining to trolls... but i did explain it.

Boqer kowkab are the Hebrew words for the English morning stars... while Heylel ben shachar are the Hebrew words for the English Lucifer son of the morning. They are not the same ! The former are morning stars while the latter is the personal name of the Devil.

His name is Heylel... although he is also known as Satan Devil Dragon Serpent Lucifer etc etc... his name is Heylel.

And he is the king of Babylon both old and modern and he is squatting on Mount Zion. And you know him as Allah. He is the god of Theosophy and Freemasonry. He is Satan and the Devil and the Dragon... but his true name is Heylel.



Morning stars is the English translation of the transliterated Hebrew Boqer kowkab as in Job 38:7.

Job 38 7When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?



Lucifer son of the morning is the English translation of the transliterated Hebrew Heylel ben shachar as in Isaiah 14:12.

Isaiah 14 12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!


13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;


14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’


15Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.



As one can see Lucifer is the English translation of the Hebrew personal name Heylel. He is prophecied to also sit on Mount Zion but is destined for Hell. Notice the similarity between his personal name in Hebrew and the English our lingua franca name for Hell. And know that Hell was prepared for the Devil and his angels.
They are not the same ! The former are morning stars while the latter is the personal name of the Devil.

Let me address this.
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=morning+star&qs_version=CJB
see those

Isaiah 14:12
“How did you come to fall from the heavens, morningstar, son of the dawn?

Job 38:7
when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

2 Peter 1:19
Yes, we have the prophetic Word made very certain. You will do well to pay attention to it as to a light shining in a dark, murky place, until the Day dawns and the Morning Star rises in your hearts.

Revelation 2:28
just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give him the morning star.

Revelation 22:16
“I, Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.


As i said before, the morning star is only a symbolic term to describe the light of Wisdom within.
It is used in jest towards the king of babylon. It is not a personal name of satan or any satanic entity except in subjective terms.

let me clarify
Boqer kowkab=morning star
Heylel ben shachar= "shining one, son of the morning"

They are diff terms for the same thing. Lucifer means 'light bringer'.

In the Book of Isaiah, chapter 14, the King of Babylon is condemned in a prophetic vision by the prophet Isaiah and is called הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (Helel ben Shachar, Hebrew for "shining one, son of the morning").[18] who is addressed as הילל בן שחר (Hêlêl ben Šāḥar),[27][28][29][30][31] The title "Helel ben Shahar" may refer to the planet Venus as the morning star, but the text in Isaiah 14 gives no indication that Helel is the name of a star or planet.[32][33] The Hebrew word transliterated as Hêlêl[34] or Heylel (pron. as Hay-LALE),[35] occurs only once in the Hebrew Bible.[34] The Septuagint renders הֵילֵל in Greek as Ἑωσφόρος [36][37][38][39][40] (heōsphoros),[41][42][43] "bringer of dawn", the Ancient Greek name for the morning star.[44]According to the King James Bible-based Strong's Concordance, the original Hebrew word means "shining one, light-bearer", and the translation given in the King James text is the Latin name for the planet Venus, "Lucifer"

there you go, venus/lucifer was just symbolic of the morning star. where was it the name of satan?

so where exactly was the word 'light bringer' used for a satanic entity in the bible? not at all, yet you have adopted it. Now you're saying Heylel is a demonic/satanic entity, but is it really? nope..it is referring to the king of babylon in jest.



He is prophecied to also sit on Mount Zion but is destined for Hell.
stop making shit up. it has nothing to do with mt zion and nothing to do with 'satan', it was about the king of babylon.
 





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What’s wrong with calling God “God”, and Jesus “Jesus”?

Are you not an English speaker?

Do you not believe the Word of God has been translated into the English language accurately?
Satanists thank God in their dumb Grammy and Oscar speeches all the time. Satan is their god. Their are hundreds of gods, if not thousands. They are demonic and real gods.

The Creator has a True name.
Why would you toss the True Creator’s name in with all that junk?

Jesus is a bad translation, Miss Clornary Raffert.
No disrespect, Miss Claire Rousseau.
You understand what I’m trying to say to you?
 





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I remember the song from this kids programme from when I was little...


I.e.

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On the other hand, there are significances and layers in the Hebrew language that are amazing to dive into. I wouldn't judge anyone for using a name for God that they felt was more "authentic". On the other hand, whilst I am learning at the moment, I wouldn't insist that the Bible can only be understood in Hebrew and Greek.

Perhaps this makes sense?

 





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They are not the same ! The former are morning stars while the latter is the personal name of the Devil.

Let me address this.
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=morning+star&qs_version=CJB
see those

Isaiah 14:12
“How did you come to fall from the heavens, morningstar, son of the dawn?

Job 38:7
when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


2 Peter 1:19
Yes, we have the prophetic Word made very certain. You will do well to pay attention to it as to a light shining in a dark, murky place, until the Day dawns and the Morning Star rises in your hearts.


Revelation 2:28
just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give him the morning star.


Revelation 22:16
“I, Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew.

Isaiah 14:12
How you are fallen from heaven, Heylel ben shachar [Lucifer, son of the morning].

Job 38:7
When the boqer kowkab [morning stars] sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?




The New Testament was written in Greek.

2 Peter 1:19
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and phōsphoros [[the] morning star] rises in your hearts.

Revelation 2:28
And I will give him prōïnos astēr [the morning star].

Revelation 22:16
16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and orthrinos astēr [Morning Star].”




Lucifer is a Latin word. It's just the Latin translation of the Greek Heosphoros used by the Septuagint when translating the Hebrew Old Testament to Greek in the 3rd century BC.

But the original Hebrew in Isaiah 14:12 is Heylel.

That is the personal name of the king of old and prophetic Babylon who was also prophecied to squat on the mount of the congregation which is Mount Zion. It is the personal name of the Devil.

He is very sneaky and wears a lot of masks and names depending on the particular nation culture and language.

The whole world has been deceived by him for a long time.