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Undertaker

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You can indeed see it at 2:30



And soyboy phenomenon is a very real threat.

https://www.rt.com/viral/397538-sperm-low-western-men/
"Chemicals, diet, stress, and lifestyle choices have caused the sperm levels of Western men to plummet to less than 50 percent of what they were four decades ago, a new study has found.
The research found that sperm in the ejaculate of men from Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand fell by 1.4 percent every year between 1973 2011, leading to an overall drop of just over 52 percent.
“The results are quite shocking,” said study co-author Hagai Levine, an epidemiologist from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, according to Reuters. He called the results an "urgent wake-up call" and told the BBC: "Eventually we may have a problem, and with reproduction in general, and it may be the extinction of the human species."
Levine added that while fertility treatments such as IVF can sometimes offer solutions to the procreating problem, little is being done to address the root of the issue - an overall general decline in men's health.
Poor sperm counts have also been associated with testicular cancer, increased male mortality rates, children born with one or both testicles missing, and the onset of male puberty, according to the researchers.
Environmental influences, heat, lifestyle factors, diet, stress, smoking, and obesity - both prenatally and in adult life - have all been “plausibly associated” with the decline, according to the study.
“Therefore, sperm count may sensitively reflect the impacts of the modern environment on male health throughout the life course,” the paper reads.
In particular, the paper notes, chemical exposures or maternal smoking “during critical windows of male reproductive development may play a role in prenatal life, while lifestyle changes and exposure to pesticides may play a role in adult life.”
Published in the medical journal Human Reproduction Update, the “rigorous and comprehensive” research analyzed data from 185 studies. Researchers from Israel, Denmark, the US, Brazil, and Spain took part in the study.
The trend has not been recorded among men in Africa, Asia, or South America, though the authors concede that fewer studies have been carried out in those regions.
The study’s authors have called for urgent work to narrow down the causes for the decline in sperm levels among Western men.
“This definitive study shows, for the first time, that this decline is strong and continuing,” said one of the study’s authors, Professor Shanna Swan of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai."
 

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Soy is terrible for women. Iirc it mimics estrogen. That would explain the incredibly stupid SoyBoy reference in Katy's equally stupid performance art.
 

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Soy is terrible for women. Iirc it mimics estrogen. That would explain the incredibly stupid SoyBoy reference in Katy's equally stupid performance art.
Soy is crazy healthy for people. The issue is that many Western people and food product producers refuse to recognize that the forms its produced and eaten in here are drastically different than those in Asia, particularly Japan. There Soy is often ingested in its healthiest forms, due to their centuries of cultivation and experience. This experience also allows for them to enjoy it in tastier forms as well. So I agree, Westerners guzzling Soy milk by the gallon on the daily, especially males and even organically produced Soy milk...... probably aint in our best interests. But Edamame, Natto, natural tofu's/tempeh's & etc...... very healthy.
 

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Soy is a plant and it is not harmful to men or women. It's just a bean. Phytoestrogens aren't the same as human estrogen, it is only produced by plants. Pretty much all plants have phytoestrogens and isoflavones.

Here is a good/informative source on soy: Is Soy Bad For You?
 
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So I agree, Westerners guzzling Soy milk by the gallon on the daily, especially males and even organically produced Soy milk...... probably aint in our best interests.
Organic soy milk is not harmful. Just like almond milk or rice milk... it is made from a plant and is not unhealthy. Inorganic might be a problem though. And you definitely shouldn't have gmo soy.

Interestingly, drinking real cow's milk could actually pose a problem because it exposes you to real mammalian estrogen from the female cow. This could actually have a real affect.
 
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Soy is crazy healthy for people. The issue is that many Western people and food product producers refuse to recognize that the forms its produced and eaten in here are drastically different than those in Asia, particularly Japan. There Soy is often ingested in its healthiest forms, due to their centuries of cultivation and experience. This experience also allows for them to enjoy it in tastier forms as well. So I agree, Westerners guzzling Soy milk by the gallon on the daily, especially males and even organically produced Soy milk...... probably aint in our best interests. But Edamame, Natto, natural tofu's/tempeh's & etc...... very healthy.
Exactly.
But most people don't know anything about that.
*impressed*

Ninety one percent of the soy grown in the United States is genetically engineered to impart resistance to the toxic herbicide Roundup, with which it’s heavily sprayed

"For centuries, Asian people have been consuming fermented soy products such as natto, tempeh, and soy sauce, and enjoying the health benefits. Fermented soy does not wreak havoc on your body like unfermented soy products do.

Unfortunately, many Americans who are committed to healthy lifestyles have been hoodwinked and manipulated into believing that unfermented and processed soy products like soymilk, soy cheese, soy burgers and soy ice cream are good for them."
LINK
 

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"For centuries, Asian people have been consuming fermented soy products such as natto, tempeh, and soy sauce, and enjoying the health benefits. Fermented soy does not wreak havoc on your body like unfermented soy products do.
They also eat tofu and edamame too. The fact that it's unfermented isn't the problem. The genetic modification and the pesticides are the problem, along with processed soy and soy processed with chemicals. Organic soy is good in any form.
 

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They also eat tofu and edamame too.
In very small portions compared to what is consumed here. Their diets are also very different from ours. It isn't as simple as you would like it to be, and it is not a meat substitute like vegan sites (biased) would have you believe.

The fact that it's unfermented isn't the problem. The genetic modification and the pesticides are the problem, along with processed soy and soy processed with chemicals...
Any quantity too?
There is quite a bit of updated info out there on the dangers, even your "phytates" that you think are harmless. They are even more harmful if you're on a vegan-y diet. They can block the absorption of minerals, vitamins etc that you obviously need.
MORE HERE

So.. source?
Sometimes it seems like you're just being contentious for the sake of being contentious. Its an important topic but a little on the dull side. :/
 

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They also eat tofu and edamame too. The fact that it's unfermented isn't the problem. The genetic modification and the pesticides are the problem, along with processed soy and soy processed with chemicals. Organic soy is good in any form.
Traditional cultures developed two major ways to bypass this problem: fermentation and curdling. Both are ancient techniques for changing the fundamental nutritional makeup of foods. These processes are what transform soy (the dangerous food) into the healthful products of tofu, tempeh, miso and soy sauce that have played a major role in the diets of many Asian cultures for hundreds of years.
 

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Traditional cultures developed two major ways to bypass this problem: fermentation and curdling. Both are ancient techniques for changing the fundamental nutritional makeup of foods. These processes are what transform soy (the dangerous food) into the healthful products of tofu, tempeh, miso and soy sauce that have played a major role in the diets of many Asian cultures for hundreds of years.
Special shout out to miso..... TASTY!
 

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Organic soy milk is not harmful. Just like almond milk or rice milk... it is made from a plant and is not unhealthy. Inorganic might be a problem though. And you definitely shouldn't have gmo soy.

Interestingly, drinking real cow's milk could actually pose a problem because it exposes you to real mammalian estrogen from the female cow. This could actually have a real affect.
I drink cows milk like crazy
o_O
 
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