Would you date a broke man?

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morita

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No need to lie and try to back paddle. Your hypocrisy is duly noted.
I think it, but I don't remember saying it.

Okay, if they can why are you complaining about women getting with broke men? If feminism gave you the freedoms that you wanted than move on and stop complaining about men. You are responsible for your own life. But if you still want to live a life where a man has to take care of you financially but can't because of the day and age we live in please direct your complaints to the feminists of the 60s. Surplus labour equals lower wages.
Ever notice that rich men often settle for women who aren't rich but the opposite is rarely true?
Again men designed the institution of marriage, let's not act like women aren't doing most of the emotional labor, child rearing, housework, etc...that's what men are paying for. Any woman on earth will be hard pressed to find a man who can cook himself dinner. So to any woman reading: if you gonna get you a household dependant, be smart and choose one who makes at least more money than you do.
 






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I think it, but I don't remember saying it.


Ever notice that rich men often settle for women who aren't rich but the opposite is rarely true?
Again men designed the institution of marriage, let's not act like women aren't doing most of the emotional labor, child rearing, housework, etc...that's what men are paying for. Any woman on earth will be hard pressed to find a man who can cook himself dinner. So to any woman reading: if you gonna get you a household dependant, be smart and choose one who makes at least more money than you do.
Tell us why rich men settle for women who aren't rich but the opposite to be rarely true? I want to know your reasons before I address it.

The institution of marriage, at least from an Islamic point of view, was not created by man but God. Also, women doing housework in the past might be true but that's not the society we live in at the moment, at least for a good chunk of people. Men do just as much housework now or at least more than they used too. Perhaps the men you have been with couldn't cook but that doesn't apply to all men.

In this day and age if you want a man to be able to take care of you financially you better be a supermodel or have some other valued traits because if he's well off he can just hire a maid so what would he need you for lol?
 






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Just to digress, would women date a man who doesn't have a car?
I've never had one because i've never needed one, perhaps that's one reason why i've been single all my life?..;)
 






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@Tidal well if you have lived in the city all your life, a car isn't that necessary, imo.
Also, anyone marrying* anyone based on money is shallow.
You should be marrying* for love.
DUH!

*ETA: "marry", date, etc.
 






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Tell us why rich men settle for women who aren't rich but the opposite to be rarely true? I want to know your reasons before I address it.
There are many reasons, which I've already expanded on that in my previous posts.

The institution of marriage, at least from an Islamic point of view, was not created by man but God. Also, women doing housework in the past might be true but that's not the society we live in at the moment, at least for a good chunk of people. Men do just as much housework now or at least more than they used too. Perhaps the men you have been with couldn't cook but that doesn't apply to all men.

In this day and age if you want a man to be able to take care of you financially you better be a supermodel or have some other valued traits because if he's well off he can just hire a maid so what would he need you for lol?
I also listed most of the child rearing and emotional labor which you conveniently ignored but can't be overlooked.


And I didn't say I would become entirely dependant on a man's income. Just that I don't think women should settle for broke men or men who earn less. And honestly my chance for a rich husband (if I wanted one, but I don't) are rather slim. Like someone said on reddit, I have too strong opinions.
 






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There are many reasons, which I've already expanded on that in my previous posts.
Whatever you say :rolleyes:

I also listed most of the child rearing and emotional labor which you conveniently ignored but can't be overlooked.
I didn't ignore it I just missed it. Like I said in this day and age both parents pitch in. I take care of my daughter just as much as my wife does and I think most of the men in the West do because both parents work. Also, if you're sitting at home all day you better be doing something so I don't know why you even would bring it up like it's something dreadful you have to do.


And I didn't say I would become entirely dependant on a man's income. Just that I don't think women should settle for broke men or men who earn less. And honestly my chance for a rich husband (if I wanted one, but I don't) are rather slim. Like someone said on reddit, I have too strong opinions.
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That's exactly what you mean when you talk about a man making more than you. You want to leech off of him while wanting to do nothing yourself but that's not how life works. If you can't settle than good luck on finding anyone lol.

The reddit post is correct. If you want a man that makes more than you and can take care of you financially than you better have some qualities of value otherwise he can, like I said before, hire a maid.

Your problem is you want everything. You want feminism, you want your cake, and you want a rich man. Well sorry to break it to you but that's never going to happen. No successful well off men who holds some kind of status in society is going to want a woman like that and never will.
 






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Whatever you say :rolleyes:
Come on, the reason is simple: there are fewer rich women. I've already mentionned the wage gap, the fact that men have more access to jobs especially high-earning jobs and leadership positions, which makes it easier for them to have a lot of money. Because if you hadn't noticed we live in a male dominated society. So it's fucking comical to me that men still manage to be broke with all their male privilege.

I didn't ignore it I just missed it. Like I said in this day and age both parents pitch in. I take care of my daughter just as much as my wife does and I think most of the men in the West do because both parents work. Also, if you're sitting at home all day you better be doing something so I don't know why you even would bring it up like it's something dreadful you have to do.




That's exactly what you mean when you talk about a man making more than you. You want to leech off of him while wanting to do nothing yourself but that's not how life works. If you can't settle than good luck on finding anyone lol.

The reddit post is correct. If you want a man that makes more than you and can take care of you financially than you better have some qualities of value otherwise he can, like I said before, hire a maid.

Your problem is you want everything. You want feminism, you want your cake, and you want a rich man. Well sorry to break it to you but that's never going to happen. No successful well off men who holds some kind of status in society is going to want a woman like that and never will.
You know someone can make more than me without being rich.
I'm a student and still manage to work part-time, my boss is always commending me for my work ethic. I'm on my way to get a degree in a field where there are many jobs available. I most certainly won't be broke or sit at home all day. Please don't use that patronizing tone with me as if you're gonna teach me how life works or something.
I'm done with this convo, have a nice day.
 






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Come on, the reason is simple: there are fewer rich women. I've already mentionned the wage gap, the fact that men have more access to jobs especially high-earning jobs and leadership positions, which makes it easier for them to have a lot of money. Because if you hadn't noticed we live in a male dominated society. So it's fucking comical to me that men still manage to be broke with all their male privilege.
The wage gap has been debunked by many scholars. There are fewer rich women for several reasons. They work shorter hours than their male counterparts, they don't occupy higher end paying jobs (engineering, software programming, and etc.), and because of biology such as maternity leave. Careful your hypocrisy is showing again. You're talking about a male dominated society in regards to jobs and money but yet want to continue the patriarchy by wanting to be with a man that makes more than you. Collect your thoughts first and then come back to me.

You know someone can make more than me without being rich.
I'm a student and still manage to work part-time, my boss is always commending me for my work ethic. I'm on my way to get a degree in a field where there are many jobs available. I most certainly won't be broke or sit at home all day. Please don't use that patronizing tone with me as if you're gonna teach me how life works or something.
I'm done with this convo, have a nice day.
So what you work part time? Is that supposed to be an accomplishment? I went to school full time, worked 30 hours a week, competed in various combat sports, and still managed to graduate with a 4.0 gpa. But that's not because I'm special but because I worked hard for it. If you're not majoring in STEM you might be jobless for a while ;)
 






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So what you work part time? Is that supposed to be an accomplishment? I went to school full time, worked 30 hours a week, competed in various combat sports, and still managed to graduate with a 4.0 gpa. But that's not because I'm special but because I worked hard for it. If you're not majoring in STEM you might be jobless for a while ;)
lol...I was responding to your claim that I was sitting at home all day. No need to post your life story no one cares.

if you're not a broke man why are u that triggered by this thread?
 






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lol...I was responding to your claim that I was sitting at home all day. No need to post your life story no one cares.

if you're not a broke man why are u that triggered by this thread?
Im not triggered. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy because you're too slow to see it yourself. You cry about a patriarchal society but yet want a man that makes more than you lol. Make up your mind already.

If anything it seems like you're the one who is butthurt. Instead of crying about men in every thread go do something productive and then you might attract a man of stature and status lol.
 






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It's always the elites fault tough. Men have always claimed to be the providers so they gotta deliver if they want to be resepected and taken seriously. Not being able to provide renders men obsolete.
Exactly.
I think obsolescence was the point, morita. And what a horrible world that would be. It is not just a claim, though-- more like hard wiring. Of course, the other extreme-- though it would look very different-- would be equally horrible. Each one has a different primary motive, which is kind of useless or meaningless, without the other.

Personal accountability is huge-- I agree with you, there. But when the entire landscape has been (cleverly and completely) engineered to look and encourage otherwise, it is more difficult to define exactly what personal accountability means--> that is, they (and we) are set up for failure. Imho, anyway.
 






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Im not triggered. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy because you're too slow to see it yourself. You cry about a patriarchal society but yet want a man that makes more than you lol. Make up your mind already.

If anything it seems like you're the one who is butthurt. Instead of crying about men in every thread go do something productive and then you might attract a man of stature and status lol.
You do sound triggered. You sound as if you have somethign to prove.
So what if I wouldn't settle with a man who makes less?? I'm just someone on the internet saying things. Would that make you feel better if I said I would settle for some broke loser, is that what going against the patriarchy means?
Men should be happy we value them for anything. Money is the only thing they can bring to the table.
Alas, women are more than happy to have some useless prick around the house who doesn't contribute shit.
 






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You do sound triggered. You sound as if you have somethign to prove.
So what if I wouldn't settle with a man who makes less?? I'm just someone on the internet saying things. Would that make you feel better if I said I would settle for some broke loser, is that what going against the patriarchy means?
Men should be happy we value them for anything. Money is the only thing they can bring to the table.
Alas, women are more than happy to have some useless prick around the house who doesn't contribute shit.
Exactly you're just another hypocrite on the internet that can't get their thoughts straight.

Men of status and who are worth something will decide YOUR value. Don't get it twisted. Either you bring something to the table or he hires a maid.
 






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Either you bring something to the table or he hires a maid.
Interesting! I've made that suggestion, myself.

It seems, though, like you are you are saying a woman should bring something to the table, or-- you're going to find someone else to do your laundry?

lol I wouldn't suggest that
No one likes a tease.

:p
 






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Kung fu is pretty dead on.
Wealthy guys have an abundance of options....
Why on Gods green earth would they pick an unpleasant, defensive, and angry woman who despises their sex to pair with?
I mean they have the options of choosing beautiful, pleasant, and/or subordinate women who satisfy their emotional and sexual needs.
As misogynistic as that is, its just the power of wealth.
Don't underestimate the power of a beautiful woman, either.
She's got tremendous advantages over the regular, average, woman.
And combine looks with brains, she's a force to be reckoned with!
A woman with brains and beauty doesn't need a man to succeed in life. If she is clever enough, navigating the terrain of patriarchal society isn't that challenging. She knows how to wield her power when needed, and how to play her cards accordingly.
Any beautiful successful woman I've observed, knows it.
That, in itself, is power.
 






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Interesting! I've made that suggestion, myself.

It seems, though, like you are you are saying a woman should bring something to the table, or-- you're going to find someone else to do your laundry?

lol I wouldn't suggest that
No one likes a tease.

:p
LMAO!
 






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