Women Vs Male Birth control

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They've actually done it. They conducted a study on 320, a two-hormone injection designed to lower sperm count.
Guess what? They started whining and bitching about the minor side effects. They were given an opportunity to take back control and didn't take it, they would rather let women deal with the discomfort.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/03/500549503/male-birth-control-study-killed-after-men-complain-about-side-effects
For years, people have tried to create birth control for men. The World Health Organization commissioned what sounded like a promising trial, a two-hormone injection designed to lower sperm count. Initial results looked like it would be 96 percent effective in preventing pregnancy in the participants' partners.
so much this, the female pill form the get go has caused numerous deaths, caused hormonal issues, weight gain, mood changes, blood clots and a number of other issues, the IUD can cause severe pain, my sister had one fitted and ended up in hospital, the newest female contraceptive requires a womans arm to be cut open, and an implant placed inside her arm, yet when there are minor side effects for male contraceptives they care suddenly.
 






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Men have always been terrified about the innate power that women possess: their ability to give birth, they would gladly reinstaure harems to exert control over women if possible. To ensure women don't sleep around, to own them, to make sure their kid is for certain theirs, etc...
To the words of Camille Paglia, in her book Sexual Personae: “The female body’s unbearable hiddenness applies to all aspects of men’s dealings with women. What does it look like in there? Did she have an orgasm? Is it really my child? Who was my real father? Mystery shrouds women’s sexuality. This mystery is the main reason for the imprisonment man has imposed on women. Only by confining his wife in a locked harem guarded by eunuchs could he be certain that her son was also his.”
exactly mens egos are so fragile they have to control women, a woman only has worth as long as their bodies are used and for the benefit of men, breast are ok for advertisement and porn, but not for breast feeding, women's clitorises are chopped off, or omitted from medical text books, women are ignored or expected to suffer when they are in pain, medical trials for womens health arent even done on women, such as a trial for a cancer drug for uterine cancer, which was done on 12 men, because the medical industry dont trust women, women have died because doctors wont take their symptoms seriously, women's bodies are treated like a commodity for men and some men like kung fu see women having agency as victimhood for men.
 






kerrichinchilla

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Thanks for admitting that you don't want to share the choices available to you. If not than live with the responsibilities. As long as woman have all the reproductive rights than just stop your whining and continue doing whatever helps with not getting pregnant. You want it all but in this life you can't have it all.

Yes, sperm is the father's but yet he doesn't get a choice. If the Father doesn't get a choice than why bother with any of the responsibilities.

Good luck with your endeavors. Too bad what you're asking will never happen as long as you want your cake and to eat it as well :)
your rights end at my body, pregnancy does not effect mens bodies just the women, so yes women get to chose, until men carry the child then men are omitted from the discussion, you have a choice, you have a choice not to let your sperm enter a vagina.

if you get to decide on the pregnancy you are removing women's autonomy so no you dont get a choice when it comes to what she does with her body or what grows in it
 






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your rights end at my body, pregnancy does not effect mens bodies just the women, so yes women get to chose, until men carry the child then men are omitted from the discussion, you have a choice, you have a choice not to let your sperm enter a vagina.

if you get to decide on the pregnancy you are removing women's autonomy so no you dont get a choice when it comes to what she does with her body or what grows in it
Continue crying. As long as you hold all the choices and reproductive rights you're also, going to have burden the responsibilities which come with those rights and choices.
 






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Well, as a woman you have the power to decide who gets to have sex with you, or not.
As a prerequisite to sleeping with you, that person is at your mercy for whatever birth control system you intend to use.
So, it is ultimately up to the woman to decide what method of BC is used for the sexual encounter.

* Of course with the exception of r*pe or incest (then, like I said, off with their heads, lol).
 






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Continue crying. As long as you hold all the choices and reproductive rights you're also, going to have burden the responsibilities which come with those rights and choices.
again with this victimhood, you do have choices, wear a condom, get a vasectomy, use spermicide, work with your partner to understand her cycle so you know when she is at her most fertile, dont have sex at all. these are all options, they all give you the power to control where and if your sperm enters a vagina.
you even have the right to start studies and experiments/medical studies to create new forms of contraceptives for men.
Your just using women's autonomy and rights as an excuse to not take responsibility, to pass the buck and to play the victim.
 






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Well, as a woman you have the power to decide who gets to have sex with you, or not.
As a prerequisite to sleeping with you, that person is at your mercy for whatever birth control system you intend to use.
So, it is ultimately up to the woman to decide what method of BC is used for the sexual encounter.

* Of course with the exception of r*pe or incest (then, like I said, off with their heads, lol).
men also have the right to decide if they have sex with someone, i dont get this argument, men arent sex robots that cant control themselves, the same goes for rapist excuses, if you dont want sex say no, if your worried she is being vindictive or faking being on birth control dont have sex, go to the bathroom have a cold shower or masturbate. no man is obligated to have sex.

and yes women do have the power to decide who has sex with them its called consent, however some women do not get the choice, after all it was in the 1990s that marital r*pe was finally made illegal in America and The United Kingdom, in some countries women are still forced onto sexual situations, sex trades, harems, and husbands force sex on women, in human society women are the ones treated as property and nothing but breeding machines or sex dolls.

Why are you turning men into victims, they are not at the mercy of women, they have options, condoms, spermicides, vasectomies, and the bog one no sex at all. Men are not victims, they can say no they can work their own contraceptives tehy are not at the mercy of sexual desires or women's vaginas. again women are not ultimately in control, men are just passing the buck so they can not only play the victim but also use it as an excuse for not taking responsibility for where their body fluids go
 






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I'm not taking sides.
I see both sides, here.
I don't think either party is blameless.
And as I've mentioned...r*pe and incest are definitely "off with your head" scenarios for men.
Let's be real.
Women are superior at linguistics and social intelligence.
They learn to talk sooner, and manage social interactions more smoothly, than their less adept counterparts.
In some ways I see men as lacking the refined social skills and nuances that women intrinsically possess.
You have to ask yourself, do you spend half of your day frittering your time away worrying about where you are going to "release" yourself?
I really believe that many men waste an inordinate amount of their time thinking about carnal things...
It is assumed that most women do not, and have more useful thoughts to occupy their minds with.
It is my observation that women generally hold the cards with how their power dynamic plays out within their own relationships and society.
As the saying goes...
Behind every great man, there's a great woman.
Why do you think that is?
And if you are to argue the opposite, I find that behind a great woman is usually a weaker man...
Strong women tend to pick weaker men, and weaker men, strong women. Or the reverse, weaker women, strong man. The yin and yang.
We need each other to make the world go round....
 






kerrichinchilla

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I'm not taking sides.
I see both sides, here.
I don't think either party is blameless.
And as I've mentioned...r*pe and incest are definitely "off with your head" scenarios for men.
Let's be real.
Women are superior at linguistics and social intelligence.
They learn to talk sooner, and manage social interactions more smoothly, than their less adept counterparts.
In some ways I see men as lacking the refined social skills and nuances that women intrinsically possess.
You have to ask yourself, do you spend half of your day frittering your time away worrying about where you are going to "release" yourself?
I really believe that many men waste an inordinate amount of their time thinking about carnal things...
It is assumed that most women do not, and have more useful thoughts to occupy their minds with.
It is my observation that women generally hold the cards with how their power dynamic plays out within their own relationships and society.
As the saying goes...
Behind every great man, there's a great woman.
Why do you think that is?
And if you are to argue the opposite, I find that behind a great woman is usually a weaker man...
Strong women tend to pick weaker men, and weaker men, strong women. Or the reverse, weaker women, strong man. The yin and yang.
We need each other to make the world go round....
isnt that just babying men though, maybe girls and women are more adapt because they have to be, girls are taught from a young age they have to be grown up, they have to think about caring for others from a young age, are expected to grow up sooner and not act childishly. boys are told ''boys will be boys'' and are not forced into domestic servitude from a young age, girls are often taught cleaning and cooking as soon as they walk while boys go off and play.
perhaps stop treating boys and men like children and make them take responsibility for once
 






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Trying to regulate illicit sex is like trying to regulate the black market Not gonna happen.
simple, gove children a proper sex education, non of this shame, taboo, wrong, its sinful, sex is bad, abstinence only crap. give them the facts, teach them to use condoms, show them the realities of td's, pregnancy and costs, teach them sex is natural but you should take precaution, show them that enjoying masturbation is normal for boys and girls not something shameful, its private but natural. Also teach boys the facts about periods, cycles and how women's bodies work, not just men's bodies, this is an issue, so many men do not understand periods and women's cycles, stop treating women's periods like a shameful taboo.

in the UK we have an extensive sex education, it starts from the final year of primary school and goes through every year of secondary, it starts off basic, such as men and women are different and they grow hair and women have babies, to year 11 where children are taught how to put a condom on properly, using penis models and real condoms, they are taught the mechanics of sex, how to get contraceptives, relationship advice, but there is no shame, no taboo, no you will go to hell. we also have free contraceptives on the NHS and guess what sex is talked about openly, std's are at a lower rate, abortions are at a lower rate, men and women have the information and training to understand contraceptives are a two way road. sex isnt some hush hush taboo thats also treated like some magical experience, its just sex, there is no illicit sex, sex out of wedlock is just normal sex, no ones whipped in the streets for having natural urges, no ones shamed, killed or ostracized for having sex, and people have healthier attitudes towards sex.
 






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sex isnt some hush hush taboo thats also treated like some magical experience, its just sex, there is no illicit sex, sex out of wedlock is just normal sex, no ones whipped in the streets for having natural urges, no ones shamed, killed or ostracized for having sex, and people have healthier attitudes towards sex.
You are mixing apples and oranges.
You were discussing rights and responsibilities not attitudes for sex.
Second, as a believer I believe in rights and responsibilities in all spheres.
Humans enter contracts for all their important affairs this is to ensure that all trusts, responsibilities and rights are understood.
Having children is not less important than having a business or getting your car or body fixed. We have contracts for all these important aspects of life.
If we enter into any endeavor without recognized agreements we should not have any expectations.
You will have a difficult time getting someone to abide by any rules in this realm.
 






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isnt that just babying men though, maybe girls and women are more adapt because they have to be, girls are taught from a young age they have to be grown up, they have to think about caring for others from a young age, are expected to grow up sooner and not act childishly. boys are told ''boys will be boys'' and are not forced into domestic servitude from a young age, girls are often taught cleaning and cooking as soon as they walk while boys go off and play.
perhaps stop treating boys and men like children and make them take responsibility for once
And the most ironical thing about this is women are constantly the ones being patronized and treated like we're ignorant, being told what to do, how to dress, talk, etc. But when it comes time for taking responsibility women have to be the bigger ones and bear the burden (literally and figuratively). A tactic that men use to completely let themselves off the hook and not have to look at themselves. Typical.
this poster is always babbling about the woman experience while knowing absolutely nothing about what it's like. He's said the most ludicrous things, including trying to argue why a 70something year old would go after a young girl who was in her late teens or early twenties. Definitely a creep.

in the UK we have an extensive sex education, it starts from the final year of primary school and goes through every year of secondary, it starts off basic, such as men and women are different and they grow hair and women have babies, to year 11 where children are taught how to put a condom on properly, using penis models and real condoms, they are taught the mechanics of sex, how to get contraceptives, relationship advice, but there is no shame, no taboo, no you will go to hell. we also have free contraceptives on the NHS and guess what sex is talked about openly, std's are at a lower rate, abortions are at a lower rate, men and women have the information and training to understand contraceptives are a two way road. sex isnt some hush hush taboo thats also treated like some magical experience, its just sex, there is no illicit sex, sex out of wedlock is just normal sex, no ones whipped in the streets for having natural urges, no ones shamed, killed or ostracized for having sex, and people have healthier attitudes towards sex.
Even extensive sex education doesn't prevent young boys from getting addicted to porn by the time they're in junior high.
 






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Lol @morita "this poster"
I assume you are referring to me?
And that 70 year old guy was Tidal, whom I didn't necessarily defend, you mistook my words.
He posted some supposedly humorous thread about a young love interest, which I agreed was a bit preposterous considering his age, her beauty, and my assumption of his fixed income, status.
I agreed with you, about that.
Not sure how you misconstrued that?
And truly the ideas I share here are accumulated life experiences, and observations.
Tsk Tsk name calling is so juvenile, but par for the course, for you.
Because I'm rubber and you are glue.....something.. something....:D

@kerrichinchilla
Totally fine with updating sex ed, for teens. Periods should not be shamed. It's a body function. Both males and females need to understand the consequences of their actions. Nobody is putting guns up to peoples heads to go out and have casual sex. It's a choice (with the exception of r*pe/incest).

To anyone:
From what I've learned is that men are fairly simple creatures (no offense guys). Women tend to make situations more unnecessarily complicated for whatever reason.....
Hormones play a major factor with behavior....
Just read up HOW Estrogen and Testosterone affect women/men.
Pitting men versus women is playing exactly into the divisionism that tptb want.
Hey, what do I know, maybe YOU want the NWO?!
 






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