With the world’s eyes on Afghanistan, how does the Taliban represent Islam?

weskrongden

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Dude

You are just pushing Fox News talking points. FEAR FEAR FEAR.

Fox News the most popular Mainstream Media in America.

Thanks for the corporate MSM message.
Most of Fox is on board with Afghan refugees. Tucker and Ingraham vs 99% of the MSM lol. Do you deny there's a replacement agenda in America? Have these Afghan "refugees" not proven to be perfect drones to a corrupt elite? That's my own point btw, haven't seen anyone else make it.
 
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Most of Fox is on board with Afghan refugees. Tucker and Ingraham vs 99% of the MSM lol. Do you deny there's a replacement agenda in America? Have these Afghan "refugees" not proven to be perfect drones to a corrupt elite? That's my own point btw, haven't seen anyone else make it.
Ingrahm, Tucker, Hannity, Levin are all against refugees.

Thats pretty much Fox's entire editorial staff.

your white supremacist shit is entirely being messaged by the elites down to Fox's Low IQ viewers for them to consume.

the Afghan refugees will join the rest of the american "drones to a corrupt elite"

Like the drones eating up your "white replacement" fear porn like the useful idiots they are.
 

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Ingrahm, Tucker, Hannity, Levin are all against refugees.

Thats pretty much Fox's entire editorial staff.

your white supremacist shit is entirely being messaged by the elites down to Fox's Low IQ viewers for them to consume.

the Afghan refugees will join the rest of the american "drones to a corrupt elite"

Like the drones eating up your "white replacement" fear porn like the useful idiots they are.
Except the dissident right, white nationlists, ect are the most anti elite people in the country and are also the targets of that elite. They're the ones getting their bank accounts frozen, being spied, about to be targets of the domestic war on terror. They're refusing vaccines and pushing back on government restrictions, time to get some obedient easy to control immigrants. Again do you deny that there is an agenda from elites to change the demographics to something they prefer?
 
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Except the dissident right, white nationlists, ect are the most anti elite people in the country and are also the targets of that elite. They're the ones getting their bank accounts frozen, being spied, about to be targets of the domestic war on terror.
They were the ones being protected while Trump was in office. The one's the Trump network was provoking week in week out, and the ones treated with kid gloves after attempting an insurrection. It isn't anti-elite to base your whole ideology on the elites DIVIDE AND CONQUER agenda. If they were so anti-elite their message wouldn't be echoed by the biggest news network in America.

They're refusing vaccines and pushing back on government restrictions,
and when Trump was in power (the man who rushed the vaccines through by the way) they were supporting Government totalitarian measures to criminalize protest, militarize the police, and strip people's voting rights. Your white nationalist clowns are the definition of elite useful idiots.
time to get some obedient easy to control immigrants
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LOL, yeah 20,000 Afghans is going to change politics in America. Thats if they even take in that many.

Again do you deny that there is an agenda from elites to change the demographics to something they prefer?
Yes I deny it.

Obama was labelled "deporter in chief"

Biden and Harris told refugees to "go back where they came from"

The idea that there is some big conspiracy to bring in hoards of brown people so the Democrats can win elections is ridiculous and not supported by reality.

Here's a secret. That white racist shit doesn't work anymore as an electoral strategy. The numbers are not there anymore. The Democrats don't need to bring in any more supporters. Unless the Republicans come up with a much better strategy than "white man be angry" they will always lose, UNLESS THEY CHEAT and suppress mass waves of voters, which they are currently trying to do.
 

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They were the ones being protected while Trump was in office. The one's the Trump network was provoking week in week out, and the ones treated with kid gloves after attempting an insurrection. It isn't anti-elite to base your whole ideology on the elites DIVIDE AND CONQUER agenda. If they were so anti-elite their message wouldn't be echoed by the biggest news network in America.
Protected? They have a right to their views. Their free speech wasn't being protected as the tech monopolies began their purge with no help from Trump or Republicans. Kid gloves=6 months in jail for trespassing including indefinite detainment. The DoJ is going after them hard. People are tribal by nature. Conflict was inevitable. I (like most people in the world) want to be around people who look and act similar to me. That's why immigrants always want more of their own people. Tell me a region in the world besides the west where immigrants can be as ungrateful and disrespectful to the majority's culture, history and traditions as here? You ignore that point everytime I make it.


and when Trump was in power (the man who rushed the vaccines through by the way) they were supporting Government totalitarian measures to criminalize protest, militarize the police, and strip people's voting rights. Your white nationalist clowns are the definition of elite useful idiots.
The more dissident right and white nationalist people don't like Trump. His legal immigration rates were around the same as Obama until covid hit. And no I don't think lazy retards on welfare and drug dealers should vote.
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LOL, yeah 20,000 Afghans is going to change politics in America. Thats if they even take in that many.
It's more drops in a downpour, they add up. And they could certainly impact a state.


Yes I deny it.

Obama was labelled "deporter in chief"

Biden and Harris told refugees to "go back where they came from"

The idea that there is some big conspiracy to bring in hoards of brown people so the Democrats can win elections is ridiculous and not supported by reality.

Here's a secret. That white racist shit doesn't work anymore as an electoral strategy. The numbers are not there anymore. The Democrats don't need to bring in any more supporters. Unless the Republicans come up with a much better strategy than "white man be angry" they will always lose, UNLESS THEY CHEAT and suppress mass waves of voters, which they are currently trying to do.
Biden and Harris said that but their policies don't reflect it. I don't say it's a Democrat issue, it's an elite issue. Reagan and HW Bush were big immigrant Presidents. Dubya shills for more immigration all the time, has a political organization for it. You have guys like the Koch bros constantly pushing for immigration.
 

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To the people that post on here from the middle east. Is the taliban as bad as portrayed or is our American media propagandizing us to fear muslims?
 

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Come on dude, it's propaganda.
I know, but it’s best to get this info out to americans. We have too many yes men. Maybe some random lurker will decide to be the change we all desire. Wishful thinking. But it doesn’t hurt to ask
 
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If you know anything about Sharia Law, that's your answer.
Who started this war? Was it Islam? Or was it the US et al. waging its crusade on everything that talks, walks and breathes?

If you know anything about the nasty, brutish tactics the US has used to impose control over Afghansistan over the past twenty years, you will know everything you need to know about who the bad guys are here.

The media are going into overdrive about "women's rights", "democracy", "freedom" -- the holy grails that they have used to sell their murderous war to the gullible public --, portraying the Taliban as the worst calamity that could ever have afflicted Afghanistan, all the while conveniently ignoring that, for the past twenty years, they have murdered and carpet bombed the Afghan people; propped up the fiefdoms of criminal warlords; allowed bribery, corruption, extortion, trafficking, r*pe, drug use to flourish; and tortured and killed many in Bagram and other prisons.

It's funny that you decry our morality now but you had nothing to say about the bloodshed and havoc wreaked by NATO in Afg for 20 years, and all across the Middle East, as if that is not the real barbarism.

Islamic law does not judge via an aesthetic paradigm of evaluation, but via a moral paradigm. The European can decry the allegedly barbarity of the Islamic penal code, while at the same time engaging in the most atrocious transgressions of human rights against non-Europeans in their colonial ventures. And because you are increasingly doing it from a distance (you are far-removed from the actual violence, it doesn't hurt you, it hasn't made you bleed), and now via clandestine means, killing using drones, you don't see it. You just see the final product: your comfortable lives and the final state of the third world after usurping its resources, and then you call them barbaric for the way they live and do things. You say "ThEY haTE Us fOr oUR fReeDom." If it doesn't look good, if it doesn't seem nice, if it doesn't look beautiful, you don't accept it. "God is dead and we have killed him, what must we do now, we must become God ourselves." This aesthetic morality is based on making yourself a god, above God's own laws. Those are your standards. Where 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable to hang someone for sodomy, now, you allow them to be paraded them through the streets and in your churches like trophies to virtue signal your progress. 100 years ago women used to cover from head to toe, now, your entire society is sexualised, and you have problems with abuse, r*pe and sexual perversion. Your standards are not consistent, and now, as a result of the morality you are espousing, your societies are entering a period of precipitous moral decline. Homosexuality and effeminacy appear in decadent societies that are on the verge of collapse, according to the likes of the great historians like Arnold Toynbee. Your countries are all secularised, while our countries still hold on to God. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto God, that which is God's" your Bible says. The Taliban are attempting to espouse morality as defined by divine revelation - the Quran and the Sunnah. (If you want me to prove its divine revelation, please let me know, I am happy to explain; the more you ask, the more people will realise.)

Daniel Haqiqatjou explains: Thomas Hobbes believed that the only way to establish social order is through the top-down control of the state, and without it, society will collapse into a war of all against all, where life is "nasty, brutish and short." But as Daniel Haqiqatjou has pointed out, Thomas Hobbes' model, the model that is currently in use by your nation-states, was wrong; there is another way to generate social order and cohesion in an organic way that doesn't involve a mass imposition of a mass surveillace, technocratic, bureacratic state.

Humans are instictively social creatures which allows the bottom up establishment of social order and cohesion, and Islam strengthens these social instincts as opposed to liberalism and other ideologies, which erodes them. Islam fosters relationships that are important for humans instinctually, and that lead to social order: kinship - you are more likely to co-operate and not harm your blood relatives, stong ties of kinship creates solidarity and social order; male-female/heterosexual pair bonding fosters social cohesion via feelings of love, companionship and commitment; reciprocity - helping others leads to social cohesion; similarity - you and I share something, like culture, ethnicity, religion, way of dress, so we will treat each other more altruistically. Islam fosters these social linkages, and stops or punishes those practices and behaviours which erode them, in order to establish bottom up social cohesion and order. So a bureacratic surveillance modern nation-state where every person is scrutinised and observed, is not necessary as in the Hobbesian worldview. Humans are happier and more fulfilled under such states. In contrast, under liberalism, philosophical naturalism and utilitarianism, it is believed that your personal autonomy and ability to choose, is what leads to happiness. Social ties impose duties and reponsibilities on a person, and these are a detriment to one's personal autonomy and liberty. Why not simply not get married, or have children, and be promiscuous or experiment with your sexuality? - that's more pleasurable than duty and responsibility, but it less conducive to societal order and cohesion. Islam prescribes a system of life that is in perfect accord with the natural human instincts, and limits destructive human tendencies.

This standard of morality does not change, because human nature does not change, and God does not change. So my questions to you are very simple:

Why do you think its okay to bomb and murder people who committed no crime, but its not okay to stone adulterers and sodomites, and flog fornicators, who are contravening divine laws?

Why do you think its okay that Macron in France and the ECJ can tell women how to dress, but the Taliban can't tell women they need to wear the hijab?

How can a system that has produced the likes of Bagram, Guantanamo and Abu Ghuraib think it has any business taking the moral high ground?

It is the most pernicious propaganda, and an expression of the West's hubris, that it thinks it can enter a country, bomb its people into submission, and in the meantime, convince everyone that this their intentions are in fact noble and moral. They have accomplished this via a systematic and all-encompassing programme of propaganda, misinformation and dehumanization, characterizing the Afghans, and the people of other countries they have occupied, as savages who must be liberated and saved from their backwardness, and from Islam, by the light of Western civilization. It is their unspoken belief: "if only we bomb, occupy and pillage them in just the right way, they'll accept democracy and feminism." But these buzzwords that the public fawn over, are only continued fodder for the military-industrial complex, and are tossed aside, when they become an inconvenient obstruction to its interests.
 
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And whose fault is this? Is it Islam? Or is it the West waging its crusade on everything that talks, walks and breathes?

If you know anything about the nasty, brutish tactics the US has used to impose control over Afghansistan over the past twenty years, you will know everything you need to know about who is the bad guy here.

The media are going into overdrive about "women's rights", "democracy", "freedom" -- the holy grails that they have used to sell their murderous war to the gullible public --, portraying the Taliban as the worst calamity that could ever have afflicted Afghanistan, all the while conveniently ignoring that, for the past twenty years, they have murdered and carpet bombed the Afghan people; propped up the fiefdoms of criminal warlords; allowed bribery, corruption, extortion, trafficking, r*pe, drug use to flourish; and tortured and killed many in Bagram and other prisons.

Its funny that you decry our morality now but you had nothing to say about the bloodshed and havoc wreaked by NATO in Afg for 20 years, and all across the Middle East, as if that is not true barbarism.

Islamic law does not judge via an aesthetic paradigm of evaluation, but via a moral paradigm. The European can decry the allegedly barbarity of the Islamic penal code, while at the same time engaging in the most atrocious transgressions of human rights against non-Europeans in their colonial ventures. And because you are increasingly doing it from a distance (you are far-removed from the actual violence, it doesn't hurt you, it hasn't made you bleed), and now via clandestine means, killing using drones, you don't see it. You just see the final product: your comfortable lives and the final state of the third world after usurping its resources, and then you call them barbaric for the way they live and do things. And you say "ThEY haTE Us fOr oUR fReeDom." If it doesn't look good, if it doesn't seem nice, if it doesn't look beautiful, you don't accept it. "God is dead and we have killed him, what must we do now, we must become God ourselves." This aesthetic morality is based on making yourself a god, above God's own laws. Those are your standards. Where 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable to hang someone for sodomy, now, you allow them to be paraded them through the streets and in your churches like trophies to virtue signal your progress. 100 years ago women used to cover from head to toe, now, your entire society is sexualised, and you have problems with abuse, r*pe and sexual perversion. Your standards are not consistent, and now, as a result of the morality you are espousing, your societies are entering a period of precipitous moral decline. Homosexuality and effeminacy appear in decadent societies that are on the verge of collapse, according to the likes of the great historians like Arnold Toynbee. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto God, that which is God's." Your countries are all secularised, while our countries still hold on to God. The Taliban are attempting to espouse morality as defined by divine revelation - the Quran and the Sunnah. (If you want me to prove its divine revelation, please let me know, I am happy to explain; the more you ask, the more people will realise.)

Daniel Haqiqatjou explains: Thomas Hobbes believed that the only way to establish social order is through the top-down control of the state, and without it, society will collapse into a war of all against all, where life is "nasty, brutish and short." But as Daniel Haqiqatjou has pointed out, Thomas Hobbes' model, the model that is currently in use by your nation-states, was wrong; there is another way to generate social order and cohesion in an organic way that doesn't involve a mass imposition of a mass surveillace, technocratic, bureacratic state.

Humans are instictively social creatures which allows the bottom up establishment of social order and cohesion, and Islam strengthens these social instincts as opposed to liberalism and other ideologies, which erodes them. Islam fosters relationshipss that are important for humans instinctually, and that lead to social order: kinship - you are more likely to co-operate and not harm your blood relatives, stong ties of kinship creates solidarity and social order; male-female/heterosexual pair bonding fosters social cohesion via feelings of love, companionship and commitment; reciprocity - helping others leads to social cohesion; similarity - you and I share something, like culture, ethnicity, religion, way of dress, so we will treat each other more altruistically. Islam fosters these social linkages, and stops or punishes those practices and behaviours which erode them, in order to establish bottom up social cohesion and order. So a bureacratic surveillance modern nation-state where every person is scrutinised and observed, is not necessary as in the Hobbesian worldview. Humans are happier and more fulfilled under such states. In contrast, under liberalism, philosophical naturalism and utilitarianism, it is believed that your personal autonomy and ability to choose, is what leads to happiness. Social ties impose duties and reponsibilities on a person, and these are a detriment to one's personal autonomy and liberty. Why not simply not get married, or have children, and be promiscuous or experiment with your sexuality? - that's more pleasurable than duty and responsibility, but it less conducive to societal order and cohesion. Islam prescribes a system of life that is in perfect accord with the natural human instincts, and limits destructive human tendencies.

This standard of morality does not change, because human nature does not change, and God does not change. So my questions to you are very simple:

Why do you think its okay to bomb and murder people who committed no crime, but its not okay to stone adulterers and sodomites, and flog fornicators, who are contravening divine laws?

Why do you think its okay that Macron in France and the ECJ can tell women how to dress, but the Taliban can't tell women they need to wear the hijab?

How can a system that has produced the likes of Bagram, Guantanamo and Abu Ghuraib think it has any business taking the moral high ground?

It is the most pernicious propaganda, and an expression of the West's hubris, that it thinks it can enter a country, bomb its people into submission, and in the meantime, convince everyone that this their intentions are in fact noble and moral. They have accomplished this via a systematic and all-encompassing programme of propaganda, misinformation and dehumanization, characterizing the Afghans, and the people of other countries they have occupied, as savages who must be liberated and saved from their backwardness, and from Islam, by the light of Western civilization. It is their unspoken belief: "if only we bomb, occupy and pillage them in just the right way, they'll accept democracy and feminism." But these buzzwords that the public fawn over, are only continued fodder for the military-industrial complex, and are tossed aside, when they become an inconvenient obstruction to its interests.
Feel free to put yourself under Sharia Law. I'll pass on the man-made abuse, oppression, and degradation of women.
 

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Inshallah.

Btw, you have not addressed a single point I made. You're posturing and fake moralizing isn't going to work here. Sodom was selling, but the Taliban ain't buying.
There is nothing to address. You chose to point to 'what about...' to distract and cover up for Sharia Law. You obviously support it and the Taliban. So... what else is there to say? I choose not to bow down to a false god, false laws, and a terrorist group. You, unfortunately, do. Enough said.
 

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There is nothing to address. You chose to point to 'what about...' to distract and cover up for Sharia Law. You obviously support it and the Taliban. So... what else is there to say? I choose not to bow down to a false god, false laws, and a terrorist group. You, unfortunately, do. Enough said.
If you read the post you'd see there's alot to address.
Such as
Why do you think its okay to bomb and murder people who committed no crime, but its not okay to stone adulterers and sodomites, and flog fornicators, who are contravening divine laws?
or
Why do you think its okay that Macron in France and the ECJ can tell women how to dress, but the Taliban can't tell women they need to wear the hijab?
Sharia law is literally Gods law. The 10 commandments are Gods law. If memory serves you are Christian so saying you're against "shariah" is hypocritical.

You're just propagandized and brainwashed, while Pescatarian perfectly highlights this.
 
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Islamic law does not judge via an aesthetic paradigm of evaluation, but via a moral paradigm. The European can decry the allegedly barbarity of the Islamic penal code, while at the same time engaging in the most atrocious transgressions of human rights against non-Europeans in their colonial ventures. And because you are increasingly doing it from a distance (you are far-removed from the actual violence, it doesn't hurt you, it hasn't made you bleed), and now via clandestine means, killing using drones, you don't see it. You just see the final product: your comfortable lives and the final state of the third world after usurping its resources, and then you call them barbaric for the way they live and do things. You say "ThEY haTE Us fOr oUR fReeDom." If it doesn't look good, if it doesn't seem nice, if it doesn't look beautiful, you don't accept it. "God is dead and we have killed him, what must we do now, we must become God ourselves." This aesthetic morality is based on making yourself a god, above God's own laws. Those are your standards. Where 100 years ago, it was perfectly acceptable to hang someone for sodomy, now, you allow them to be paraded them through the streets and in your churches like trophies to virtue signal your progress. 100 years ago women used to cover from head to toe, now, your entire society is sexualised, and you have problems with abuse, r*pe and sexual perversion. Your standards are not consistent, and now, as a result of the morality you are espousing, your societies are entering a period of precipitous moral decline. Homosexuality and effeminacy appear in decadent societies that are on the verge of collapse, according to the likes of the great historians like Arnold Toynbee. Your countries are all secularised, while our countries still hold on to God. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and render unto God, that which is God's" your Bible says. The Taliban are attempting to espouse morality as defined by divine revelation - the Quran and the Sunnah. (If you want me to prove its divine revelation, please let me know, I am happy to explain; the more you ask, the more people will realise.)

Daniel Haqiqatjou explains: Thomas Hobbes believed that the only way to establish social order is through the top-down control of the state, and without it, society will collapse into a war of all against all, where life is "nasty, brutish and short." But as Daniel Haqiqatjou has pointed out, Thomas Hobbes' model, the model that is currently in use by your nation-states, was wrong; there is another way to generate social order and cohesion in an organic way that doesn't involve a mass imposition of a mass surveillace, technocratic, bureacratic state.

Humans are instictively social creatures which allows the bottom up establishment of social order and cohesion, and Islam strengthens these social instincts as opposed to liberalism and other ideologies, which erodes them. Islam fosters relationships that are important for humans instinctually, and that lead to social order: kinship - you are more likely to co-operate and not harm your blood relatives, stong ties of kinship creates solidarity and social order; male-female/heterosexual pair bonding fosters social cohesion via feelings of love, companionship and commitment; reciprocity - helping others leads to social cohesion; similarity - you and I share something, like culture, ethnicity, religion, way of dress, so we will treat each other more altruistically. Islam fosters these social linkages, and stops or punishes those practices and behaviours which erode them, in order to establish bottom up social cohesion and order. So a bureacratic surveillance modern nation-state where every person is scrutinised and observed, is not necessary as in the Hobbesian worldview. Humans are happier and more fulfilled under such states. In contrast, under liberalism, philosophical naturalism and utilitarianism, it is believed that your personal autonomy and ability to choose, is what leads to happiness. Social ties impose duties and reponsibilities on a person, and these are a detriment to one's personal autonomy and liberty. Why not simply not get married, or have children, and be promiscuous or experiment with your sexuality? - that's more pleasurable than duty and responsibility, but it less conducive to societal order and cohesion. Islam prescribes a system of life that is in perfect accord with the natural human instincts, and limits destructive human tendencies.

This standard of morality does not change, because human nature does not change, and God does not change. So my questions to you are very simple:

Why do you think it's okay to bomb and murder people who committed no crime, but it's not okay to stone adulterers and sodomites, and flog fornicators, who are contravening divine laws?

Why do you think it's okay that Macron in France and the ECJ can tell women how to dress, but the Taliban can't tell women they need to wear the hijab?

How can a system that has produced the likes of Bagram, Guantanamo and Abu Ghuraib think it has any business taking the moral high ground?


These questions illustrate the hypocrisy. You cannot seriously think God is alright with sodomy, r*pe, fornication, sodomy, and murder.
 
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Sure... you do you. We will never agree or see eye-to-eye on these issues, hence the waste of time.
I think what you mean to say is your brainwashing will not allow you to answer Pescatarians points. Which begs the question.. whose in the right?

We can highlight and focus if you prefer? Lets start with "coveting thy neighbors wife". Which is shariah.
I believe this is the 10th commandment and found in Deuteronomy 5:21.

“You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor’s house or land, his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

Islam says to kill the adulterer (but demands 4 witnesses that literally seen the penetration)

The Bible agrees.

“’If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10)

So, Is it better to kill someone you never met with a bomb from 1000 miles away or kill one who has broken the bonds of marriage doing massive damage to the family unit?


Lets be honest Lurk, for 20 years you've been fed propaganda on how "evil" Islam is while your own religion has been removed from you. As here in the "west" gay rights are championed while Christians, such as the infamous gay wedding cake, are forced to cater to them.

Lets be honest, i live in the states and Christians drink, gamble, curse... I mean "religion" in the west is incredibly watered down. Many "Christians" like @Tidal openly admit to never going to church. As time goes on it will only get worse as TV and social media do not call to religion, yet where does tomorrows generation flock?

In the west you might hear a "God bless you" when someone sneezes. Compared to say life in Afghanistan and other Aramaic countries, were people commonly say "Alhamdulilah" which translates as "thanks and gratitude is for God". I mean even in the everyday language, God is remembered. Even by Atheists. I watched Disneys Frozen in Arabic some years ago and a character actually says "Alhamdulialh". I was surprised by this because we both know DIsney is satanic.

Feel free to deny it, the west separated Church and state decades, if not a century ago.


As i said, Shariah law is LITERALLY Gods law. When you demonize it, who are you attacking?

Its ok, its clear you've been brainwashed as the mere mention of "Shariah" puts a bad taste in your mouth.

Peace.
 
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