You should believe in the Quran. It is the word of God.[/COLOR]
Of course I don't believe in the Quran.
Since my beliefs are based solely on what Jesus said I will not have anything to “take up” with him at the judgement. I hope to hear Jesus say to me “take up your inheritance. When you did it to the least of these you did it unto me”. (Matthew 25:31-46).Hey Todd,You can take your interpretations and teaching up with the Lord At the Judgment .
No I do not. A Judaizer is someone who advocates following Jewish laws and customs. I have no interest in “Jewish” laws or customs, only God’s perfect guidance and instruction (the Torah).Non judgemental question. Would you consider yourself a Judaizer?
The Liberals LOVE Ehrman.You should believe in the Quran. It is the word of God.
The books of the Bible have been tampered with. Read Misquoting Jesus (PBUH) by Bart Ehrman. The books of the Bible have been altered.
So, yes.No I do not. A Judaizer is someone who advocates following Jewish laws and customs. I have no interest in “Jewish” laws or customs, only God’s perfect guidance and instruction (the Torah).
The Ten Commandments (as intrepretated by Christ) and the observance of the feasts of Israel being the foundation of God’s perfect guidance and instruction.
I am what is called a sojourner in the OT , so the portions of Torah that applied to the sojourner are applicable for me today.
No offense but this whole discussion kind of highlights the problems I was talking about. I was born Lutheran and even though my family wasn't religious, I learnt religion and it's history in school. I have also always been interested in religions. But still all this makes me confused. The basic message: "believe in Jesus as your personal savior and you are saved" is simple but it doesn't seem to be enough. And people don't agree what then is enough. What are the rules you are supposed to follow. How can you claim that you know the truth if it's difficult to find even two people who agree about something?
Etagloc has an advantage in this discussion because he is the only one here who is trying to convince people about the truth of Quran. At least his message seems coherent. Of course there are different views within Islam but they are somehow less discussed than the differences of Christianity.
If you understood the difference between the guidance and instruction of God and the doctrines of man you would understand what I am saying.So, yes.
What does the concept of "rightly dividing" mean to you? I think it has been much confused with "Acts 28 Dispensationalism" but there idefinitely appears to be a right and a wrong way to understand scriptural application.Since my beliefs are based solely on what Jesus said I will not have anything to “take up” with him at the judgement. I hope to hear Jesus say to me “take up your inheritance. When you did it to the least of these you did it unto me”. (Matthew 25:31-46).
You on the other hand will have to “take up” your disregard for the Torah and all your beliefs based on Paul’s writing with Lord. I hope that goes well for you. Do you think Paul will be there, ready to advocate for you?
What are you seeking in even asking these questions here? There's plenty of Christian forums that could address all these question.No offense but this whole discussion kind of highlights the problems I was talking about. I was born Lutheran and even though my family wasn't religious, I learnt religion and it's history in school. I have also always been interested in religions. But still all this makes me confused. The basic message: "believe in Jesus as your personal savior and you are saved" is simple but it doesn't seem to be enough. And people don't agree what then is enough. What are the rules you are supposed to follow. How can you claim that you know the truth if it's difficult to find even two people who agree about something?
Etagloc has an advantage in this discussion because he is the only one here who is trying to convince people about the truth of Quran. At least his message seems coherent. Of course there are different views within Islam but they are somehow less discussed than the differences of Christianity.
The spiritual equivalent....What are you seeking in even asking these questions here? There's plenty of Christian forums that could address all these question.
VC isn't the place to get your biblical or doctrinal knowledge from and you don't know who might be aiming to lead you astray. We've had people like you come on here and ask these questions, confuse themselves, and because the Muslims aren't arguing over doctrine or highlighting biblical 'discrepancies' people will revert to Islam.
If you don't know your bible this isn't the place and that is what a good church or at the least a Christian oriented forum is for. You won't find a clear answer here and what you're asking demonstrates you don't know your bible well and people like to take advantage of that ignorance on this forum.
That's a loaded question for someone who questions the inspriation of Paul isn't it? LOL!What does the concept of "rightly dividing" mean to you? I think it has been much confused with "Acts 28 Dispensationalism" but there idefinitely appears to be a right and a wrong way to understand scriptural application.
A pastor or Christians accidentally admitting that Jesus was a prophet ?Jesus (PBUH) was a Prophet.... I even have a video I can show you insha'Allah where a pastor accidentally has a slip of the tongue and accidentally admits Jesus (PBUH) was a Prophet.... in fact, Christians often slip and accidentally admit Jesus (PBUH) was a Prophet....
Might I politely suggest that doctrine is rather like interior design. Where there is something fixed (like a pillar in a room) you need to design around it.That's a loaded question for someone who questions the inspriation of Paul isn't it? LOL!
15 years ago if you asked me that, I likely would have answered with something along the line of "understanding the intent and context of the original author, and interpreting passages of the Bible with other passages of the Bible to gain a cohesive, unified understanding" and then probably said something else along the lines of "if the Bible appears to contradict itself, then it's really that our understanding is not correct." Of course this mentality will have the logical and analytical mind spinning in circles if we suppose that everything written in the Bible is truly the word of God.
On the other hand, if you follow the example of the person who actually wrote the phrase "rightly dividing", you would do just the opposite. Paul himself misquoted and used OT verses out of context to support his revelations. Paul seems to have very literal regard for the original context or intent of OT passages and seemingly twisted multiple verses to support the mystical revelations he supposedly receieved from Christ himself. If anyone did that today, most Christians would immediately start crying hersey and false teacher.
Paul also had little regard or need for quoting Christ in the flesh directly (the soul exception being his quoting of Christ words to water down the passover feast, which in turn provided justification for the RCC to change the times of God by replacing the passover feast with the "sacrement of Holy Communion"). Paul never bothered to learn from the disciples what Jesus taught in the flesh. He simply trusted what his "mystical" Jesus revealed to him. In that sense Paul fails the test given in 1 John 4:2 of acknowledging Christ in the flesh. Paul places all his trust and emphasis on his mystical "Christ" rather than Christ in the flesh.
It's really no surprise then, that using bible verses out of context to support ones denominational doctrine. theology or dogma is such an epedemic in the "Pauline" church.
What are you talking about ?What are you seeking in even asking these questions here? There's plenty of Christian forums that could address all these question.
VC isn't the place to get your biblical or doctrinal knowledge from and you don't know who might be aiming to lead you astray. We've had people like you come on here and ask these questions, confuse themselves, and because the Muslims aren't arguing over doctrine or highlighting biblical 'discrepancies' people will revert to Islam.
If you don't know your bible this isn't the place and that is what a good church or at the least a Christian oriented forum is for. You won't find a clear answer here and what you're asking demonstrates you don't know your bible well and people like to take advantage of that ignorance on this forum.
So you believe Man over God then...Problems is, according to your post....You do not know the difference. If you only knew, you would mourn because of your deception.You should believe in the Quran. It is the word of God.
The books of the Bible have been tampered with. Read Misquoting Jesus (PBUH) by Bart Ehrman. The books of the Bible have been altered.
On the other hand, @Damien50 makes the very good point of saying "VC isn't the place to get your biblical or doctrinal knowledge from".What are you talking about ?
This is the place for someone who wants the Scriptures opened up to them and i even have my very own thread here. So i guess you have not taken advantage of that since you complain about the lack of biblical or doctrinal knowledge on the forum.
You are like someone sitting in a pond of fish and complaining about hunger.
This isn't the place at all. This sub forum can be confusing for people. I've watched posters go from religion to religion to sometimes nothing because this wasn't a positive environment. When I wanted to learn about Islam, I went to a mosque, when I wanted to learn the bible and God, I went to a church. This sub forum is toxic with one thread praising God another claiming Zeitgeist to be true and so on. Why would I want to subject anyone to spiritual confusion that is possibly genuinely seeking help? I don't and that is why I said what I said.What are you talking about ?
This is the place for someone who wants the Scriptures opened up to them and i even have my very own thread here. So i guess you have not taken advantage of that since you complain about the lack of biblical or doctrinal knowledge on the forum.
You are like someone sitting in a pond of fish and complaining about hunger.
I'm not so arrogant to assume I can teach or even teach in this environment when verses like the below come to mind. People need fellowship and it isn't on VCOn the other hand, @Damien50 makes the very good point of saying "VC isn't the place to get your biblical or doctrinal knowledge from".
I completely agree with that. If you were to try to grow in your understanding here without having your own private reading and fellowship, you would soon come unstuck!