Why The Truth About Daniel 9:25-27 Is Crucial Knowledge

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In trying to think with My old Christian mindset, I discovered one of the hang ups that prevents Christians from understanding this rather enigmatic set of verses in the Book of Daniel, as well as the revelation of the True Messiah.

Christians have been taught that Daniel 9:25 is a fulfillment of prophecy regarding Jesus' first coming. They are told that Jews (Hebrews) were even kept from reading these verses so they would not discover the truth. But what is the truth? I will show what theologies are out there to help explain why confusion exists regarding these scriptures and will point to which one effectively communicates the revelation of Yahuwah.

Let's look at the verses together:

Daniel 9:25-27King James Version (KJV)

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Right away I see a difference in the text between the Tanakh (The Jewish Bible), the NKJV that I am used to using (modified mostly to a KJV), the Young's Literal Translation (YLT), and the latest New Living Translation (NLT). It is the word "unto" in verse 25. The Tanakh and the others all say, "the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem "until" or "till" Messiah," not "Unto."

This is a problem, because this whole set of verses has a temporal meaning. By that I mean time is a factor. So which version is correct? The KJVist's of course would argue their version is correct and that the Jews were engaged in some sort of conspiracy, but why would the NKJV and all the others (especially the YLT) change this to reflect the same word as the Tanakh? The writers of the NKJV and the rest want you to be fooled about the temple just as badly as the KJV writers did.

What has happened to this verse, because of the KJV translation, is that the building of the Temple has been confused with the second temple rather than the third temple that will be built in the future by the Prince. This is how the Christians can figure that they don't really need to understand Daniel 9:25-26, because in their minds that has already been fulfilled by Jesus' first coming.

This is how every Christian can then say that the Temple that is described in Ezekiel is either figurative or will be built in the Millennium. These two theories are absolutely incorrect.

The first theory of a figurative Temple is incorrect, because there is always a literal interpretation of scripture. Always. It is called the Peshat. That theory is so bogus that it is almost not worth mentioning, except it is widely believed, since many cannot explain why Yahwuah spent nine chapters (Ezekiel 40-48) detailing a temple being built and having sacrifices. Even more, these sacrifices are being conducted by the Messiah (who supposedly was the Final sacrifice 2,000 years before). So a figurative believer says that these ENTIRE chapters must be just filler chapters that we can just skip over.

Does that seem like something the Father would do? Waste nine chapters on fluff? No.

The second theory that the Temple and sacrifices will take place in the Millennium is equally absurd and here's why...

First off, to accept this theory the believer has to allow for a 2,000 year gap between Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 9:27, even though the topic of these verse hasn't changed from Daniel 9:25-27.

Not only that, but in order to believe the theory that the Temple will exist as well as sacrifices in the Millennium, the believer would have to accept that mankind was given nine chapters that he really doesn't have to worry about (just like the figurative temple people say), until after Jesus comes. Right?

I mean really who would study it, because hey, Ezekiel 40-48 is all going to happen in the Millennium right? Unfortunately that's precisely what has happened to this set of chapters.

What gets worse for Christians who advocate that the temple will be built and the sacrifices will take place in the Millennium is that they are rejecting Hebrews 10:1-18, that points to Jesus being the final sacrifice. I had one person try and just talk around this yesterday, but it makes no sense. Was Jesus the sacrifice to end all sacrifices "once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) or not?

Again, some try to suggest that Jesus will be doing the sacrifices in the rebuilt temple after the Millennium starts. He nor any other Christian who advocates this understands what Saul meant about Jesus "taking away the first that He may establish the second" (Hebrews 10:9). If Jesus took away the first to establish the second, then there would be no need for any more sacrifices according to this theology.

Doing away the first and establishing the second effectively means that any sinner that exists in the Millennium would simply need to say a prayer (as they are supposedly able to do now) in order to excuse their sin. Correct? I mean why would Jesus tell his prophet Saul to tell us that he was "take away" sacrifices, effectively ending them for 2,000 years, only to restart the sacrifices again after his second coming?

It just doesn't make sense.

So why were Christians mislead about Daniel 9:25-27 in the first place?

Here's why...

Christians were taught that Daniel 9:25 was the second temple to remove these verses from serious study, just like Ezekiel 40-48. Even more they were taught that there is a 2,000 year magical gap between Daniel 9:26 and 9:27 to effectively remove "the Prince" (Michael) from the equation. This is why so many have given the "deer and the heads look" when I proposed (correctly) that Michael (from Daniel 12:1) is the Messiah.

The interesting thing is that Daniel 10:13 and 10:20 talk about guess who right after Daniel 9 mentions Messiah the Prince in Daniel 9:25? You guessed it.. Daniel 10 talks about Michael. So it seems as though Michael will play a role in the end times and it seems that all of the Christians (me included when I was one) were led astray in these chapters.

Digging even deeper one has to ask themselves, "Why would Michael be mentioned in Daniel 12 if he is insignificant to the end times?" I mean if Michael is not supposed to play a key role, then why is he even mentioned? You have to account for that. And if He's simply just an angel, then why would Yahuwah mention an angel for no reason? Just to comfort us that an angel is out there somewhere ready to stand up?

Even more Michael is mentioned "stand[ing] for the sons of [His] people." Daniel 12:1 Does it make Any sense that Michael will not play a significant role in the end times since He is mentioned so prominently here?

Jesus believers will say, "Yes." Because if they say, "No," then they wasted a whole lot of time and money at cemetery school studying the hymns of Zeus and the "Rapture theory." So no, they're going to come up with what ever they can to disprove that Michael means anything in scripture and they are going to do their best to convince you of the same. Heck, they'll even try to throw the Book of Daniel out completely (like some have tried to do), but not until after they tell everyone that Daniel was already fulfilled in the time of Alexander the Great.

The Truth about Daniel 9:25-27 is exactly as I have been saying...

Daniel 9:25 has yet to happen. That temple is Not the second temple, but the Third Temple. The sacrifices that are mentioned were not the ones performed in the second temple, but are the sacrifices that will be performed in the future by Messiah the Prince, of Daniel 9:25.

The Prince in Ezekiel 40-48 who builds the Temple and performs the sacrifices is Michael, not Jesus, because Michael was not and does not claim to be the Final Sacrifice for anything. Having Michael appropriately as the "Messiah the Prince" in Daniel 9:25 also takes away the mythical gap that Christians say exists between Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 9:27, because the Temple will be built in the end times (as the other prophets all point to). Therefore this third temple that is built will have the sacrifices taken away and the abomination of desolation set up consecutively with no gap.

If you believe that Jesus is the Prince who does the sacrifices in Ezekiel, then you believe that he died for nothing, because the sacrifices are coming back and he wasn't the final sacrifice, nor did he take away anything that the Father has done.

I sincerely hope that these truths reach someone someday...

Who will believe Our report? To whom has the Arm of Yahwuah been revealed?

Shalom
 
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The Messianic Time Table According to Daniel the Prophet

jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/issues-v05-n01/the-messianic-time-table-according-to-daniel-the-prophet/

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The Start of the 70 Sevens
Daniel 9:25a


Daniel was clearly told when the 70 sevens would begin their countdown. Gabriel said, “Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem.…” The 70 sevens would begin with a decree involving the rebuilding of the city of Jerusalem. Not everything in Persian chronology is as clear as we would like to have it, and there are still some gaps in our knowledge of history. But from what biblical and historical records we do have, there are four possible answers to the question of which decree the passage refers to.

One is the decree of Cyrus, issued somewhere between 538-536 B.C.E., which concerned the rebuilding of the Temple (2 Chronicles 36:22-23, Ezra 1:1-4,6:1-5) and of the city of Jerusalem (Isaiah 44:28,45:13). Another option is the decree of Darius Hystaspes (Ezra 6:6-12), issued in the year 521 B.C.E.; it was a reaffirmation of the decree of Cyrus. A third possibility is the decree of Artaxerxes to Ezra (Ezra 7:11-26) issued in 458 B.C.E., which contained permission to proceed with the temple service. The last option is the decree of Artaxerxes to Nehemiah (Nehemiah 2:1-8), issued in the year 444 B.C.E. This decree specifically concerned the rebuilding of the walls around Jerusalem. Of these four possibilities, only the first and fourth are valid in fulfilling the wording Gabriel gave to Daniel. It goes beyond the purpose of this article to deal with the various arguments of either option, but one thing is certain: by the year 444 B.C.E., the countdown of the 70 sevens had begun.

The First 69 Sevens
Daniel 9:25b


The 70 sevens are divided into three separate units—seven sevens, 62 sevens and one seven. During the first time period (49 years) Jerusalem would be “built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.” The second block of time (62 sevens, a total of 434 years) immediately followed the first for a total of 69 sevens, or 483 years.

It is at this point that we are told what the ending point is of the 69 sevens: “unto Messiah the Prince.” As clearly as Daniel could have stated it, he taught that 483 years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem had been issued, Messiah would be here on earth.

The obvious conclusion is this: If Messiah was not on earth 483 years after a decree was issued to rebuild Jerusalem, then Daniel was a false prophet and his book has no business being in the Hebrew Scriptures. But if Daniel was correct and his prophecy was fulfilled, then who was the Messiah of whom he spoke?

The Events Between the 69th Seven and the 70th Seven
Daniel 9:26


Whereas the second subdivision of the 70 sevens was to immediately follow the first, the third subdivision was not immediately to follow the second. Daniel pointed out (in verse 26) that three things would occur after this second subdivision and before the third one.

Stepping back in time and looking ahead from Daniel’s perspective in verse 26, we see first that “the Messiah shall be cut off and shall have nothing.” The Hebrew word translated “cut off” is the common word used in the Mosaic Law and simply means “to be killed.” The implication of the term is that the Messiah would not only be killed, but he would die a penal death by execution. The Hebrew expression translated “and shall have nothing” has two meanings. It may mean “nothingness,” emphasizing Messiah’s state at death. It can also be translated “but not for himself,” and the meaning would then be that he died for others rather than for himself, a substitutionary death. The latter meaning would be much more consistent with what the Prophets had to say about the reason for Messiah’s death (e.g. Isaiah 53:1-12). The first three purposes of the 70 sevens—to finish transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity—have to be accomplished by an atonement. The Law of Moses decreed that atonement is made by blood (Leviticus 17:11). It appears that Messiah’s death “not for himself” but for others would be the means by which Israel’s transgression, sins and iniquity would be atoned for. The point of this phrase is that between the end of the second subdivision (the 69th seven) and before the start of the 70th seven, Messiah would be killed and would die a penal, substitutionary death.

Secondly, during this interim period it would also happen that “the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood.…” The city and the temple that were to be rebuilt because of the decree by which the 70 sevens began would now be destroyed. So sometime after the Messiah was cut off, Jerusalem and the temple would suffer another destruction. Our knowledge of history during this period is extremely clear: the people responsible for this deed were the Romans, and Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in year 70 C. E. Based upon this verse, it is also clear that the Messiah should have both come and died prior to the year 70 C.E. If such an event did not take place, then Daniel was a false prophet. If such an event did occur, then the question must be answered, who was that Messiah who was killed before 70 C.E.?

The third thing to take note of would be, “and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined.” For the remainder of the interval between the 69th seven and the 70th seven, the land would be characterized by war, and its resulting condition would be desolation. All this would set the stage for the final, or 70th, seven.

The 70th Seven
Daniel 9:27


From where we stand in time today, the last seven years of Daniel’s prophecy are still prophetic, still future, but it is with their conclusion that all six purposes of verse 24 will reach their fulfillment. The verse’s main points are as follows: First, the 70th seven will begin only with the signing of a seven-year covenant or treaty between Israel and a major gentile political leader. Secondly, in the middle of that period, that is, after 3 1/2 years, this gentile leader will break his treaty with Israel and cause a cessation of the sacrificial system. The implication here is that by this time a temple in Jerusalem will have been rebuilt again and the sacrificial system of Moses re-instituted, but then will be forcefully ceased. Thirdly, the result of the breaking of this covenant is that the temple will now be abominated. The ” abomination” refers to an image or an idol. As it was in the days of Antiochus Epiphanes, so it will be again in the future when a gentile ruler will abominate the temple by means of idolatry. Fourthly, the abomination is to be followed by wrath and desolation, persecution and warfare, for the remaining half of the 70th seven (the final 3 1/2 years). This is similar to the trials and tribulations the rabbis spoke of as preparation for the establishment of the messianic kingdom. These terrible days were referred to as “the footsteps of the Messiah.” But once those days have run their course, the last three things predicted in verse 24 will occur: After this period the age of righteousness will be brought in, in which the most holy place will be anointed and every vision and prophecy be fulfilled. At this point the messianic kingdom for which the prophet Daniel yearned will be set up.

Obviously, the messianic kingdom requires the Messiah to rule as king. This means the Messiah will come after the 70th seven. Yet earlier Daniel stated that the Messiah would come and be killed after the 69th seven. This would appear to be a contradiction unless Daniel was speaking of two comings of the Messiah. The first time was to be after the 69th seven, when he would die a penal, substitutionary death for the sins of Israel and accomplish the first three purposes listed in verse 24. The second time was to be after the 70th seven (still future), when he will establish the messianic kingdom and accomplish the last three things of verse 24. There is also an important implication here that should not be missed. The Messiah would be killed after his first coming. Yet he would be alive at his second coming. The implication is that the Messiah would be resurrected from the dead after he was killed.
 

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Using the term 'messiah' implies that this person is good - if we just go by the original word meaning of 'anointed one' it will make more sense.

Yes, Daniel 9 has a futurist meaning as the OP suggests, but the 'anointed one' is not Michael, it is what people popularly call the 'antichrist'. This anointed one is referenced here in John 5:43

I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him.
That person 'coming in his own name' is the 'anointed one', and the 'prince to come' is the false prophet.

24 “Seventy '7's are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy .

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the call to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a ruler, there shall be seven '7's. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
Compare the KJV, which describes the building of the 'wall' (which should ring a bell with US readers and Israeli readers too)​

26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”​

Read Dan 9:24-27 in a purely futurist sense and it will be completely clear: there is the 'call to restore Jerusalem'. This started the end time clock right here and is commemorated with the national holiday, Jerusalem Day in Israel. (28 Iyyar, 5727 or June 7, 1967, the basis of the original 'Jerusalem Day'). Please read the link about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Day

7 '7's from this starting point is the coming of the anointed one (antichrist) and after 62 weeks the antichrist will receive his mortal head wound. 7 '7's is 49 years, and 62 weeks are literal weeks.

Putin is the modern Cyrus, and Trump is the modern Zerubabbel (hence the Russian 'hacking scandal', Russia/ cyrus is 'installing' the puppet governor Zerubabbel). Both are involved in rebuilding the 3rd temple. https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/78372/bin-exclusive-sanhedrin-asks-putin-trump-build-third-temple-jerusalem/
On June 7, 2016 (49 solar years later) the Israeli chief rabbi went on TV to say that the temple should be rebuilt.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-chief-rabbi-urges-rebuilding-jerusalem-temple/
Also, Netanyahu was meeting with Putin same day.

49 solar years later, June 7, 2016, the Republican primaries end and Trump is the nominee officially.

49 Hebrew calendar years ends on 28 Iyyar, 5776 (our dusk June 4, 2016)

At the end of the 69 weeks from dusk June 4, 2016 (28 Iyyar, 5776) is Yom Kippur/ 10 Tishri 5778. (note that there are 2 sets of time being used, the solar calendar and the Hebrew Biblical calendar - 49 years later ends June 7, 2016 on the solar calendar, but 49 years from 28 Iyyar 5727 is on the solar calendar dusk June 4, 2016/ 10 Tishri 5778 .) Yom Kippur is when the Mosaic covenant is read, and this is the 'covenant' that is broken in the middle of it. The Mosaic covenant deals with sacrifices and is read every 7 years (Deuteronomy 28-32, aka the song of Moses/ law of Moses referenced in Daniel 9:11 and Revelation 15:1-3

The antichrist & a false prophet are anointed (the anointed one and the prophet is sealed in Dan 9:24) and this starts the 7 years covenant.

In essence, the 'call to restore Jerusalem' from verse 25 starts June 7, 1967 or 28 Iyyar, 5727. 49 years later (Dan 9:25's 7 '7's) comes the anointed one, start 70 literal weeks, 70 literal weeks ends with the antichrist and false prophet being anointed, they confirm the Mosaic covenant on Yom Kippur / 10 Tishri 5778 (which is at the end of 69 weeks.
62 weeks after dusk June 4, 2016 (7 '7's // 49 Hebrew calendar years after 28 Iyyar 5727 aka June 7, 1967, the original 'call to restore Jerusalem') the anointed one is 'cut off'. This is where the antichrist receives his mortal head wound (Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

Dusk August 12 - 15, 2017 is that after '62 weeks' where the anointed one is cut off. Then he makes the 7 year covenant (confirms the Mosaic covenant)

just read the verses as they go: he's cut off, then he makes the 7 year covenant.
 

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The second temple was not a fulfillment of Daniel's prophesy, because Jesus was not a builder, like Zechariah said he (Zerubbabel) would be...

Also the second temple did not take place in the latter days or the end times the way Daniel 10:4 and 12:9 point to.

Cyrus is another name for Michael the Messiah (See Isaiah 45:13-15), who will "stand up in righteousness" (a reference to Daniel 12:1). Read carefully Isaiah 45:15 - it Cannot be talking about Cyrus and neither can Most of the chapter that speaks of Yahuwah the Creator...
 
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I just spent another hour and half trying to fully respond and I got another error. This time it said my message was too long. I'm done with this.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Proverbs 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord.

Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

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Read Dan 9:24-27 in a purely futurist sense and it will be completely clear: there is the 'call to restore Jerusalem'.
Just out of curiosity, why can't the call to restore Jerusalem be the one from Cyrus, the one from Darius, or either of the ones from Artaxerxes?
 

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Just out of curiosity, why can't the call to restore Jerusalem be the one from Cyrus, the one from Darius, or either of the ones from Artaxerxes?
That's why this "argument" set-up is such as waste of time for all of us...

You only see what you want to see so you can validate what it is you were brainwashed with. You have no intention of seeing any Truth, but instead hold tight to the lies you've already been shown.

You overlook the entirety of the vision given by Gabriel; the vision that I Already stated says in the latter days and in the end times these things will take place (Daniel 10:4 and 12:9). You'd rather accept that there is a ridiculous 2,000 year gap between 9:26 and 9:27.

This is what Christian theology teaches - it breaks apart the entirety of the Hebrew Scriptures to validate their pagan deity. This is what I referenced with trauma based mind control. Like your doctrine, your minds have been splintered apart and because of your pride will Never be put back together.
 
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Just out of curiosity, why can't the call to restore Jerusalem be the one from Cyrus, the one from Darius, or either of the ones from Artaxerxes?
Do you hear alot of Jews say, 'I paid 6 and 17 dollars for a haircut'?

"I will see you in 4 and 25 minutes"?

"My doctor charged me 61 and 200 dollars"?

I am pretty sure even ancient Hebrews did not talk like this... so why is 7 and 62 just assumed to be 69? especially in verse 26, it says 'after 62 weeks' all by its self.

Yes, that ancient 'call' did refer to Jesus. But they rejected Him. And they are still waiting on Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David. (and yes, they expect M. ben Joseph to be killed and resurrected by Mes. ben David. Sound familiar?)

this is how Messiah ben Joseph is recognized.... all these events are scripted out, the anointed one will recieve his mortal head wound at the appointed time, then some shmuck like Jon Kahn will come along and go, 'oh gee, guys, look what I found in Daniel 9!" Like it wasn't always planned that way.
 

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Do you hear alot of Jews say, 'I paid 6 and 17 dollars for a haircut'?

"I will see you in 4 and 25 minutes"?

"My doctor charged me 61 and 200 dollars"?

I am pretty sure even ancient Hebrews did not talk like this... so why is 7 and 62 just assumed to be 69? especially in verse 26, it says 'after 62 weeks' all by its self.
The prophecy says seventy weeks in total are determined for the fulfillment, and then these are broken down into three different sections of weeks. Seven weeks (49 years) to rebuild the Temple and Jerusalem, 62 weeks (434 years) to the coming of the Messiah, and one final week of seven years that is set in motion by the confirmation of a covenant. When you eat at a restaurant and you order an appetizer, a main course, and a dessert, do you get three different bills? No, you get one bill, with one total, but it's always broken down by item.

After the second section and before the third, three things must happen, according to Daniel. The Messiah must be "cut off", or killed, Jerusalem and the Temple need to be destroyed, and the land of Israel will be a place of war and desolation. These things were all fulfilled by 70 AD, and now we wait for the covenant that will begin the final week of the original seventy.
 

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The prophecy says seventy weeks in total are determined for the fulfillment, and then these are broken down into three different sections of weeks. Seven weeks (49 years) to rebuild the Temple and Jerusalem, 62 weeks (434 years) to the coming of the Messiah, and one final week of seven years that is set in motion by the confirmation of a covenant. When you eat at a restaurant and you order an appetizer, a main course, and a dessert, do you get three different bills? No, you get one bill, with one total, but it's always broken down by item.

After the second section and before the third, three things must happen, according to Daniel. The Messiah must be "cut off", or killed, Jerusalem and the Temple need to be destroyed, and the land of Israel will be a place of war and desolation. These things were all fulfilled by 70 AD, and now we wait for the covenant that will begin the final week of the original seventy.
And yet, you still have not refuted anything I've posted.

Key points: Jews will use this prophecy as I have described it (if my hypothesis is correct) to prove that this is their messiah. (the messiah Jesus mentioned in John 5:43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him.)

the 'antichrist' will be this Jewish messiah, yes or no?

next: what is the distinguishing characteristic of this '7 year covenant'? Nation state Israel (or the Pope, or the US, whoever "Israel" is supposed to be) makes treaties all the time. How are people supposed to recognize this 'treaty'? There is nothing that says this treaty will be publicly stated to be 7 years - it is just understood among the parties that it is 7 years.

It is clear from how the timeline works out, that this 7 year covenant is, in fact, the Mosaic covenant, read on Yom Kippur every 7 years.
Yes or no?

This timeline incorporates the Revelation 12:1-2 star sign that occurs on Sept 23, 2017. The 'flood' of Rev 12
15 The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth.​

is the same 'flood' here in Dan 9
26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.​
 

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To specifically address something people might be wondering: is this futurist oriented Dan 9 prophecy just an imitation or really an indicator of a 'holy' place/ person being anointed?

if the 'most holy' (what some would interpret as a new temple) place is anointed, what does that mean? the Hebrew wording of Dan 9:24 says that a 'prophet' is anointed along with a 'most holy' which people would use this to say that the 'mortally head wounded person' is this 'most holy'. (see Rev 13's beast from the sea with the 'blasphemous name' - he's called the most holy)

So, to address this: after the great tribulation (sometime within the 1st 5 seals) there comes the 6th seal, then the servants are sealed & explicitly taken out of the great tribulation (the 144,000 & the 'great multitude') What people interpret as a 'whisked away rapture' is in fact, people staying on the earth inheriting the Mosaic covenant blessings for faithfulness.

when Rev 12 says
7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”​

One can see that there are 3 groups mentioned: 'heaven' / earth / sea

Michael will defend the 'heaven' group - the elect, ie the 7th seal 144,000 & the 'great multitude'. Michael will fight and kick Satan out of the heaven group - the people who will be given the Mosaic covenant blessings for faithfulness (not worshipping idols). 'Heaven' here is symbolic of the saints on earth. The earth will be ruled by the false prophet, the sea will be ruled by the beast from the sea.
 

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And yet, you still have not refuted anything I've posted.
To be honest, I find it hard to follow the flow of your argument sometimes, so I can only respond to the parts where I am reasonably sure I understand what you're saying.

Key points: Jews will use this prophecy as I have described it (if my hypothesis is correct) to prove that this is their messiah. (the messiah Jesus mentioned in John 5:43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him.)

the 'antichrist' will be this Jewish messiah, yes or no?
The Bible doesn't say the Jews will accept him as Messiah, and since he won't be a Jew, it's not likely. There are also hundreds of messianic prophecies he would need to fulfill to be the Messiah, and it's very doubtful Jewish religious authorities will sign off on him in that role. However, there is no doubt from scripture that the Jews will accept him as a type of saviour.

next: what is the distinguishing characteristic of this '7 year covenant'? Nation state Israel (or the Pope, or the US, whoever "Israel" is supposed to be) makes treaties all the time. How are people supposed to recognize this 'treaty'? There is nothing that says this treaty will be publicly stated to be 7 years - it is just understood among the parties that it is 7 years.
The distinguishing characteristic of this treaty is that it results in the Temple being rebuilt, which means there must be peace between Jews and Arabs in Israel. Since the antichrist causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease, it must start again at some point, and these things can only be performed in the Temple. Anyone who is aware of the situation in Israel and the unlikely chances of a Temple being rebuilt there at this point can understand what a big deal this would be to the world. Somehow, this guy makes peace between the Jews and Arabs to the point where the Jews are able to build again on the Temple Mount.

It is clear from how the timeline works out, that this 7 year covenant is, in fact, the Mosaic covenant, read on Yom Kippur every 7 years.
Yes or no?
Maybe it's clear to you, but I don't see how reading the Mosaic covenant every seven years results in the antichrist confirming anything or the Temple being rebuilt.

This timeline incorporates the Revelation 12:1-2 star sign that occurs on Sept 23, 2017. The 'flood' of Rev 12
15 The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth.​

is the same 'flood' here in Dan 9
26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.​
Can you spot the difference between those passages? In Daniel, the flood brings the end of Jerusalem and the Temple. In Revelation, the flood is swallowed by the earth and Israel is saved. They are not the same flood.
 

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Just out of curiosity, why can't the call to restore Jerusalem be the one from Cyrus, the one from Darius, or either of the ones from Artaxerxes?
That's why this "argument" set-up is such as waste of time for all of us...

You only see what you want to see so you can validate what it is you were brainwashed with. You have no intention of seeing any Truth, but instead hold tight to the lies you've already been shown.

You overlook the entirety of the vision given by Gabriel; the vision that I Already stated says in the latter days and in the end times these things will take place (Daniel 10:4 and 12:9). You'd rather accept that there is a ridiculous 2,000 year gap between 9:26 and 9:27.

This is what Christian theology teaches - it breaks apart the entirety of the Hebrew Scriptures. This is what I referenced with trauma based mind control. Like your doctrine, their minds have been splintered apart and because of their pride will Never be put back together.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Proverbs 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord.

Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

:)
"Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand." Daniel 12:10
 
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