Why Is Mgtow Growing?

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Actually no, the vast majority is men who have never ever been in a relationship.
Not from what I've read and those I've talked to. Most seem to have been divorced. But even if they werent I can see what they mean about marriage but its not really the marriage per se, more the american laws about it. And it IS very unfair for the man.
 





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Not from what I've read and those I've talked to. Most seem to have been divorced. But even if they werent I can see what they mean about marriage but its not really the marriage per se, more the american laws about it. And it IS very unfair for the man.
Even still, if some guy tells me he's MGTOW and means it in more than a camping/hunting/fishing/road trip, I will revoke his man card and have nothing to do with him.
 





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Even still, if some guy tells me he's MGTOW and means it in more than a camping/hunting/fishing/road trip, I will revoke his man card and have nothing to do with him.
Humh, well I've seen what women can do to men so I'd completely understand him and would even give him a hug. They're trying to protect themselves and shouldnt be hated for it.
 





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Humh, well I've seen what women can do to men so I'd completely understand him and would even give him a hug. They're trying to protect themselves and shouldnt be hated for it.
You clearly haven't been in some of those MGTOW forums. Most of them hate women and would most likely not even speak to you. Level-headed men would either choose to seek out and vet traditional, sincere and compatible women, or choose to be single and live with enough self-confidence and security to not have to create buzz words like "fembots" and echo chambers talking about how horrible the female species is. Some of them are exceptionally toxic, I've seen them label ALL females as intrinsically self-serving, dishonest whores. ALL females. Also, it's called a prenup. Or just find a woman who isn't financially dependant on you, yet many men feel offended when a woman wants to pursue a career and earn her own money. Their extremists are literally the other side of the coin to modern feminism extremism, it's Newton III at work.
 





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You clearly haven't been in some of those MGTOW forums. Most of them hate women and would most likely not even speak to you. Level-headed men would either choose to seek out and vet traditional, sincere and compatible women, or choose to be single and live with enough self-confidence and security to not have to create buzz words like "fembots" and echo chambers talking about how horrible the female species is. Some of them are exceptionally toxic, I've seen them label ALL females as intrinsically self-serving, dishonest whores. ALL females. Also, it's called a prenup. Or just find a woman who isn't financially dependant on you, yet many men feel offended when a woman wants to pursue a career and earn her own money. Their extremists are literally the other side of the coin to modern feminism extremism, it's Newton III at work.
No I've talked to them in other places and at first it's all torns out but after some time they open up and guard's down since we get along. They seemed perfectly fine to me, as I said I can understad their hatred. The elite created feminism (or should I say femiNAZI) and movements for men have emerged as a counter pole because they're sick of it, which I really can relate to. I've also seen how women around treat men and wow.. NOT good! Just take something as a man approaching a woman out and she instantly goes NO! FUCK OFF, YOU DIPSHIT! Bot he and I were stunned and he turned to me and said "I dont know why they cant just let you down easy or say no thanks? Why do they have to be so harsh? I didn't do anything, I just wanted to ask her for a dance" So I nodded and said "There IS no need for such behaviour, I don't get it either" So we just stood there for a while, noone could really grasp this..

I've also had guy friend after guy friend crying in my kitchen over their women being pregnant and having the kid against their will. The guys not emotionally or financially ready at all and is panicing but who's helping him? "You should have worn a condom, idiot!" is what he gets.. We all know it doesnt work that way. he should have been able to trust his woman since they agreed to not becoming pregnant.

I get the whole MGTOW movement, I REALLY do.
 





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Not from what I've read and those I've talked to. Most seem to have been divorced. But even if they werent I can see what they mean about marriage but its not really the marriage per se, more the american laws about it. And it IS very unfair for the man.
Yeah vixy you've "met" everyone but the fact is that one of the main reasons mgtow and incels hate women is because women won't sleep with them. Marriage is just an unattainable dream that is further insulted by them or criticized because they can't have it. Thats the core of this movement.
 





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No I've talked to them in other places and at first it's all torns out but after some time they open up and guard's down since we get along. They seemed perfectly fine to me, as I said I can understad their hatred. The elite created feminism (or should I say femiNAZI) and movements for men have emerged as a counter pole because they're sick of it, which I really can relate to. I've also seen how women around treat men and wow.. NOT good! Just take something as a man approaching a woman out and she instantly goes NO! FUCK OFF, YOU DIPSHIT! Bot he and I were stunned and he turned to me and said "I dont know why they cant just let you down easy or say no thanks? Why do they have to be so harsh? I didn't do anything, I just wanted to ask her for a dance" So I nodded and said "There IS no need for such behaviour, I don't get it either" So we just stood there for a while, noone could really grasp this..

I've also had guy friend after guy friend crying in my kitchen over their women being pregnant and having the kid against their will. The guys not emotionally or financially ready at all and is panicing but who's helping him? "You should have worn a condom, idiot!" is what he gets.. We all know it doesnt work that way. he should have been able to trust his woman since they agreed to not becoming pregnant.

I get the whole MGTOW movement, I REALLY do.
Look, I've called out feminazi-ism MANY times, even on this forum. But I always said it was because I acknowledge where ideology becomes problematic. That's the case here. What makes you think the elites haven't also created MGTOW to further perpetuate the war of the sexes? I have a family friend who is a very sweet guy who is also part of the movement . . . . He is not an extremist, just a guy who thought that aligning himself with what they supposedly stood for would help him recover and not get hurt again. He is miserable and lonely. I'm not saying any individual who identifies hinself as MGTOW is automatically a woman-hater, just like how not everyone who calls themselves a feminist is automatically a man-hater. But if I am going to identify modern feminism as an evil because of the loud and radical voices within then I have to be fair and apply the same judgements to them. I dare you to go and look up ANY video about MGTOW and browse through the comments. These are not just hurt men trying to better themselves. Some of them actively express disgust and hatred for women, call for the genocide of half the human race and talk about how once sexbots and artificial wombs become mainstream, women will become obsolete. Some have called for r*pe to be legal. I'm not kidding. And they're not all poor, broken little men who have been through hell. There are some guys as young as me (early 20s) who have not been divorced-raped or emotionally abused. I'm sorry for those men but ALMOST EVERYONE has a story like that. There are many women I know who were put through hell by the men in their lives. The problem with both of these groups is that they use personal experience to project fault onto 50% of the human population. They don't make allowances for the possibility that not every member of the opposite sex is not evil, so why should I differentiate amongst them and pick out cases like the ones you mentioned?
 





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This is not fantasy and this movement is not made up of bunch of bad boys with sad pasts who will change by a hug or true female friend. This is a movement that has again and again bred murderers, rapists, stalkers and mass shooters. Try to separate your fetishes from reality and don't romanticize toxicity. Also when lying, at least TRY to make it sound realistic.
 





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Some have called for r*pe to be legal. I'm not kidding.
Not only that but they believe that its their right to impregnate women. These people have often went after r*pe victims who were slightly overweight or not traditionally pretty telling them that they were lucky that someone even bothered to r*pe them. This is also the SAME movement that said that the mgtow men who can sleep around should try to have female children so they can be used as slaves for other mgtow men after being "raised right". How can someone justify this? I don't understand.
 





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Humh, well I've seen what women can do to men so I'd completely understand him and would even give him a hug. They're trying to protect themselves and shouldnt be hated for it.
Awe, how sweet. One question though:

By "protecting themselves" did you mean protecting their fragile egos?

I mean these are some severely fragile male egos we're talking about, some so fragile that they are legit narcissists. and those who aren't truly narcissists are the men who have deep-seated feelings of weakness, inadequacy, guilt, etc. and they have difficulty facing these feelings so they end up psychologically projecting their own self-hatred into a particularly spiteful and hostile brand of brazen misogyny.
 





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So. Regrettably it is me in this video. Granted, I was young and immature - but this video is the reason I found out about MGTOW. I will see if I have some screenshots of the abusive comments ranging from "I hope you get raped and die" to "your only value as a human is in beauty and sex, your looks will fade and you will die alone".


This movement or group is extremist in many ways and I do not think they have fround to stand on
 





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So. Regrettably it is me in this video. Granted, I was young and immature - but this video is the reason I found out about MGTOW. I will see if I have some screenshots of the abusive comments ranging from "I hope you get raped and die" to "your only value as a human is in beauty and sex, your looks will fade and you will die alone".


This movement or group is extremist in many ways and I do not think they have fround to stand on
Everybody is stupid in high school. All throughout elementary, middle and high school I had a gigantic crush on a guy who was initially my friend but considered me below him, like he was out of my league. A guy came along who was crazy for me, but because he was super extroverted and a bit embarrassing, I dissed him. He grew up to be hot. My loss, right?

Anyway, those comments you said were made on your video do sound cruel and sorry for the terrible intro to M gtow that way. But some of what you said is true of teens. And not all self proclaimed nice guys are actually nice. I think real nice guys don't have to proclaim their niceness so much.
 





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I think real nice guys don't have to proclaim their niceness so much.
This is a quote from a serial killer. Also lots of mass killers inspired by the MGTOW and incel movements consider themselves nice guys, like Elliot Rodger.
That's because they lack self reflection and empathy, and one of the traits of an abuser is that they always consider themselves the victim.
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I think real nice guys don't have to proclaim their niceness so much.
It's because some men think of being a "nice guy" as some great achievement or as making some heroic compromise that they deserve a prize or recognition for. They are delusional and don't understand that being a "nice guy" really is the bare minimum, which speaks to the true character of those who feel that it's something to brag about.