Why is MGTOW growing and getting much stronger today since Feminism is everywhere?

[Robin]

trash.

Lmao . . . "Dog ugly whales" . . . How much you wanna bet this is one of those guys who are "choosing" to be single.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Lmao . . . "Dog ugly whales" . . . How much you wanna bet this is one of those guys who are "choosing" to be single.

you missed the point of that post but that doesnt surprise me, your head isnt all there is it? it had nothing to do with feminism or dissing females.
in fact it had nothing to do with mgtow either. i was responding to someone else on the horrors of prostitution. yet you're choosing to play the victim card from it.

did you even watch the video/documentary i posted? the girl is a crack addict in liverpool selling SEX for £4!!!!
i was just adding that you have this girl on crack in such dire conditions and yet you're getting DOG UGLY WHALES glamming up escorting/sex work for money (shown on similar documentary series). i'm pointing out how absurd the whole thing is. Again, it had fuck all to do mgtow or feminism.

fyi, i'm in a relationship...im just slow with actual commitment because i lose interest/cba when i see double standards.

oh and i don't actually 'follow' mgtow, i mean i have a few vids on my feed because im subbed to elliot hulse, but that's work out/fitness/mind related. I saw a few of milo's videos too (owning feminists), since then mgtow stuff pops up on my feed.
if you scrolled back and ready my posts from the start, i was defending the attacks against mgtow aswell as stating mgtow is good.
there are men who've literally been saved from suicide because of the mgtow community online.
You can't deny the conditions out there for men in DIVORCE/CUSTODY are unfair.

trash.
This is ironic because this thread is really starting to look like a MGTOW forum.

you don't get women whining and nagging whilst missing the entire fking point, on those mgtow forums though do you?
look at the shit ive had to respond to, eg you.

it makes me laugh how you feminists are mad at men for "choosing" to be single by insisting "no no it's because they can't get a girl" yet you were mad at me for referring to 'dog ugly whales' glamorizing prostitution.



there's absolutely nothing wrong with mgtow though/
a lot of good stuff on here
https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/
eg

Only took 10 years but finally happened

So I’m an oddball in the world and I absolutely know it for a fact. 11 years ago I had a one night stand. The girl contacted me about 5 months later to tell me she was pregnant but not to worry because it wasn’t mine. About a year after that she calls me to tell me that the baby girl was possibly mine and that I needed to have a dna test done because the guy who signed the birth certificate was challenging her claim to child support. Turns out I was the blue ribbon winner of that dna test and was now a father. I took her to court and after a long fight and a few great occurrences that had happened she lost. I was able to strip parental rights away from her and have them granted to me. She was ordered to pay me child support of $230 a month (tiny amount I know) and all visitation was now up to me. I did everything in my power to keep her apart of my daughters life but she chose to chase random bad guys with criminal records than to be stable in my daughters life. She also never got a job. Fast forward to today. She owes almost $30000 in back child support and I received a letter from the state prosecuting attorney stating that they need my testimony for them to pursue felony non support charges against her. It’s taken 10 years for them to finally say enough is enough so I signed it to give them the go ahead. I know so many guys out there that suffer from this shit but it does feel good for a woman to finally get the ban hammer for once

and someone responded
It’s 5,000 that gets men sent to jail, even when they can’t pay because of reasonable circumstances but it takes 30,000 for a woman, great

that's a solid point, that.
even under a fairer system, the law still favours women.

anything else?

i dont even get why you're all so mad..you just like to fking whine all the time.

 

[manama]

fyi, i'm in a relationship.

LMAO

 

[AspiringSoul]

LMAO

you don't really know me though do you? you've probably got an image in your mind...and im nowhere close to it.

 

[Robin]

you missed the point of that post but that doesnt surprise me, your head isnt all there is it? it had nothing to do with feminism or dissing females.
in fact it had nothing to do with mgtow either. i was responding to someone else on the horrors of prostitution. yet you're choosing to play the victim card from it.

did you even watch the video/documentary i posted? the girl is a crack addict in liverpool selling SEX for £4!!!!
i was just adding that you have this girl on crack in such dire conditions and yet you're getting DOG UGLY WHALES glamming up escorting/sex work for money (shown on similar documentary series). i'm pointing out how absurd the whole thing is. Again, it had fuck all to do mgtow or feminism.

fyi, i'm in a relationship...im just slow with actual commitment because i lose interest/cba when i see double standards.

oh and i don't actually 'follow' mgtow, i mean i have a few vids on my feed because im subbed to elliot hulse, but that's work out/fitness/mind related. I saw a few of milo's videos too (owning feminists), since then mgtow stuff pops up on my feed.
if you scrolled back and ready my posts from the start, i was defending the attacks against mgtow aswell as stating mgtow is good.
there are men who've literally been saved from suicide because of the mgtow community online.
You can't deny the conditions out there for men in DIVORCE/CUSTODY are unfair.

Lmao. I pointed it out because you're stupidly hypocritical. Last time you went off on a tangent because you thought someone here referred to MGTOW as "ugly fat broke losers" where they didn't even do that and yet you (even in passing) refer to women as "Dog ugly whales" and whores. I'm not offended, I just find it funny. You're the one playing victim and are a blatant example of how pathetic many men have become and how quick you are to shirk responsibility. I never backed down from saying there are unfair conditions for men, which is why I don't think you read anything I write because I mentioned it a few times. But oh yeah . . . That was too much for you to read apparently . And sure you're in a relationship. Such a wonderful personality, I'm sure you're never without company lol. Get out of your basement every once in a while.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Lmao. I pointed it out because you're stupidly hypocritical. Last time you went off on a tangent because you thought someone here referred to men as "ugly fat broke losers" whether didn't even do that and yet you (even in passing) refer to women as "Dog ugly whales" and whores. I'm not offended, I just find it funny. You're the one playing victim and are a blatant example of how pathetic many men have become and how quick you are to shirk responsibility. I never backed down from saying there are unfair conditions for men, which is why I don't think you read anything I write because I mentioned it a few times. And sure you're in a relationship. Such a wonderful personality, I'm sure you're never without company lol. Get out of your basement every once in a while.

you're working overt ime to make a point, but it's just not there.

you were dissing mgtow guys as being undesirable (which obv inc looks..and i don't remember saying paraphrasing the word 'fat'), broke losers...why? because they dont want to be with a woman. there was no cause for you to suggest that.

that's like me dissing a female because she wants nothing to do with guys, neither a relationship, help, money etc, just wants her independence...why would i hate that? even if a girl like that was dissing guys, i would side with her IF she had credible arguments.

Whereas when i referred to 'dog ugly whales' i literally mean big fat obese literally gross looking women 'glamorising' escorting and their gains, WHILST there are girls like that one in liverpool, crying and selling sex for £4 to feed her crack addiction.
in that context, my disgust towards those type of females is primarily because they're about 'look how easy it is, even 'I', a fat whale can do it and earn big'.
it's hard for you to follow since you clearly don't know what angle i was coming from.


there's nothing wrong with my personality. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some of you females on here when you judge guys but get mad when i use the same language towards women.

eg
it's okay when you're hating on men, dissing their looks, finances and then their social skills though right?
damn hypocrite.

About 'stop being nice', that's more a case of, stop being white knights and kissing women's arses. White knights are sad individuals. I'm all about fairness, treat people fairly and equally.

From what ive seen, men are hating on fucked up women, not 'decent' ones,

again, you don't even know me. Don't assume shit.

 

[Robin]

you're working overt ime to make a point, but it's just not there.

Or you just don't see it.

you were dissing mgtow guys as being undesirable (which obv inc looks..and i don't remember saying paraphrasing the word 'fat'), broke losers...why? because they dont want to be with a woman. there was no cause for you to suggest that.

I never even used the word undesirable. You're confusing me with another poster and even so that's a big leap for you to automatically assume she meant physical attributes even after clarifying for you. Several times. You're the one assuming shit.

that's like me dissing a female because she wants nothing to do with guys, neither a relationship, help, money etc, just wants her independence...why would i hate that? even if a girl like that was dissing guys, i would side with her IF she had credible arguments.

I highly doubt that considering you buy MGTOW's claim of the vast majority of women being gold-digging promiscuous sluts as a credible argument. And the difference is the hypothetical female in your scenario isn't joining a circle jerk of woman taking shit about men. Question, if this woman said that due to her experience, men are sex-crazed, superficial, abusive assholes and therefore not worth pursuing, would you say that is a credible argument?

there's nothing wrong with my personality.

Of course not.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of some of you females on here when you judge guys but get mad when i use the same language towards women.

eg
it's okay when you're hating on men, dissing their looks, finances and then their social skills though right?
damn hypocrite.

About 'stop being nice', that's more a case of, stop being white knights and kissing women's arses. White knights are sad individuals. I'm all about fairness, treat people fairly and equally.

From what ive seen, men are hating on fucked up women, not 'decent' ones,

Where did anyone here judge guys? You're the one making gross generalisations about women and then backtrack when you get called out on it.

again, you don't even know me. Don't assume shit.

No I don't know you, thank god. But I can make certain assumptions based on the way you post.

 

[manama]

you don't really know me though do you? you've probably got an image in your mind...and im nowhere close to it.

I had an image then this thread killed it.

 

[AspiringSoul]

I had an image then this thread killed it.

i have a 10 inch





beard.

 

[manama]

i have a 10 inch





beard.

Don't. It reminds me of that politician who said that 5 inches of his beard is Sunnah, rest is his "begharati" lol.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Or you just don't see it.


I never even used the word undesirable. You're confusing me with another poster and even so that's a big leap for you to automatically assume she meant physical attributes even after clarifying for you. Several times. You're the one assuming shit.


I highly doubt that considering you buy MGTOW's claim of the vast majority of women being gold-digging promiscuous sluts as a credible argument. And the difference is the hypothetical female in your scenario isn't joining a circle jerk of woman taking shit about men. Question, if this woman said that due to her experience, men are sex-crazed, superficial, abusive assholes and therefore not worth pursuing, would you say that is a credible argument?


Of course not.


Where did anyone here judge guys? You're the one making gross generalisations about women and then backtrack when you get called out on it.


No I don't know you, thank god. But I can make certain assumptions based on the way you post.

Where did anyone here judge guys?
are you having a laugh?

anyway i'm not acting high and mighty about anything.and i dont remember backtracking on anything. i only remember just not having the energy to bother going back and dissecting posts enough to make my point.
it's too early in the day for me to reply back to he said she said shit coherently. Tbh, you want to just argue. you live off it.

this is why men mgtow in the first place, cuz of females like you.

 

[Robin]

Where did anyone here judge guys?
are you having a laugh?

anyway i'm not acting high and mighty about anything.and i dont remember backtracking on anything. i only remember just not having the energy to bother going back and dissecting posts enough to make my point.
it's too early in the day for me to reply back to he said she said shit coherently. Tbh, you want to just argue. you live off it.

this is why men mgtow in the first place, cuz of females like you.

No, I'm serious. Can you quote one? You keep pulling these points about posters dissing men out of your ass. Yeah I should've rephrased . . . You don't backtrack you just ignore.

Wait, I thought MGTOW was supposedly just a way of men putting personal growth above relationships? Not being too much of a bitch to handle a simple debate.

 

[AspiringSoul]

No, I'm serious. Can you quote one? You keep pulling these points about posters dissing men out of your ass. Yeah I should've rephrased . . . You don't backtrack you just ignore.

Wait, I thought MGTOW was supposedly just a way of men putting personal growth above relationships? Not being too much of a bitch to handle a simple debate.

you realise this shit isnt as important to me as it is to you? you're literally dying over this exchange right now.

justjess on mgtowers
They are undesirable and blame their failure with women and relationships on feminism. If women didn’t have choice or say over their own lives they THINK they’d be doing better. Most likely they still wouldn’t cuz they couldn’t afford a dowry... either way if you have to rely on a system where women have to sleep with/marry you even if they don’t want to that’s pathetic



my response

here's the fucking irony
if these men go it alone....the emphasis on self improvement, physical, mental, emotional and career/money wise, will only make them more desirable wouldnt it?
yet you're mad at them?

i posted videos of random mgtow youtubers and said
they all look like fat lonely people hating because they can't get laid.

so what was her response?

Do you think what you look like is the only deciding factor in getting laid? Your bank account? No... none of those things in and of themselves are the issue. You can be the hottest guy driving a Lamborghini but if your a socially inept jackass the pool of women who are going to be willing to sleep with you or be with you is shallow.

problem is she'd already pointed out that they're undesirable (of which looks is the most important factor) and poor. then saying 'no no money and looks doesnt matter, but if you're a socially inept jackass


literally, 'dissing men'


Wait, I thought MGTOW was supposedly just a way of men putting personal growth above relationships? Not being too much of a bitch to handle a simple debate

mgtow is about men reading the above comment and thinking 'this bitch is crazy' and walking away because cba with it.



so that's a big leap for you to automatically assume she meant physical attributes even after clarifying for you.
physical attributes are easily the most important factor in desirability.
she claimed a guy can be the hottest guy, driving a lambo, but a socially indept jackass, then
the pool of women who are going to be willing to sleep with you or be with you is shallow.
that's just empty talk, we know that's not true at all.
hottest guy with a lambo
fking hell...he'd have women lined up for sure.

it's just a load of swings and roundabouts really. you're obv triggered hard.

 

[Robin]

you realise this shit isnt as important to me as it is to you? you're literally dying over this exchange right now.

justjess on mgtowers
They are undesirable and blame their failure with women and relationships on feminism. If women didn’t have choice or say over their own lives they THINK they’d be doing better. Most likely they still wouldn’t cuz they couldn’t afford a dowry... either way if you have to rely on a system where women have to sleep with/marry you even if they don’t want to that’s pathetic



my response

here's the fucking irony
if these men go it alone....the emphasis on self improvement, physical, mental, emotional and career/money wise, will only make them more desirable wouldnt it?
yet you're mad at them?

i posted videos of random mgtow youtubers and said
they all look like fat lonely people hating because they can't get laid.

so what was her response?

Do you think what you look like is the only deciding factor in getting laid? Your bank account? No... none of those things in and of themselves are the issue. You can be the hottest guy driving a Lamborghini but if your a socially inept jackass the pool of women who are going to be willing to sleep with you or be with you is shallow.

problem is she'd already pointed out that they're undesirable (of which looks is the most important factor) and poor. then saying 'no no money and looks doesnt matter, but if you're a socially inept jackass


literally, 'dissing men'


Wait, I thought MGTOW was supposedly just a way of men putting personal growth above relationships? Not being too much of a bitch to handle a simple debate

mgtow is about men reading the above comment and thinking 'this bitch is crazy' and walking away because cba with it.



so that's a big leap for you to automatically assume she meant physical attributes even after clarifying for you.
physical attributes are easily the most important factor in desirability.
she claimed a guy can be the hottest guy, driving a lambo, but a socially indept jackass, then
the pool of women who are going to be willing to sleep with you or be with you is shallow.
that's just empty talk, we know that's not true at all.
hottest guy with a lambo
fking hell...he'd have women lined up for sure.

it's just a load of swings and roundabouts really. you're obv triggered hard.

Your stupidity is what's triggering.

"problem is she'd already pointed out that they're undesirable (of which looks is the most important factor) and poor. then saying 'no no money and looks doesnt matter, but if you're a socially inept jackass"

You are literally the only person drawing that conclusion.

"literally, 'dissing men'"

Dissing men? By saying that the ones crying about women being sluts are most likely undesirable (due to a number of factors) and that is why they don't have success I dating? Project much?

"mgtow is about men reading the above comment and thinking 'this bitch is crazy' and walking away because cba with it."

Lmao.

"that's just empty talk, we know that's not true at all.
hottest guy with a lambo
fking hell...he'd have women lined up for sure."

No, he'd have gold-diggers lined up for sure. You and the other sad men like you act as if poor experiences with horrible women are some fault of women in general and not your poor taste. Not every women is superficial enough to have looks and wealth be the only important attributes. Again, I'm not triggered. You're the one who brought this back up with me when I wasn't even talking to you.

 

[justjess]

“Looks are the most important factor”

The fact that this is where your brain goes says more about you then me - or women generally. You know what’s attractive/desirable to me?? A man that is good with children, that loves his family, that is kind and generous and reliable and honest.

I’ve never once chosen to date a man based on his looks or bank account. That doesn’t mean those things don’t matter at all but they are secondary and not as important.

They call this whole situation PROJECTING. And yes there are women out there who think like that, but there are just as many women who don’t. These men just don’t want those women because they themselves think like that too.

And no ones mad at men not wanting to be in relationships or prioritizing working on themselves. They are mad at the anti woman rhetoric. The reduction of women to their looks and genitals. The violence being romanticized and encouraged.

You never answered my question, no one did...

If feminism never existed how would these men’s lives improve?

As for the child support issue - the vast majority of single moms never see a dollar. That’s a fact easily corroborated by a google search. Or a search of these forums for where I posted all of it previously.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Your stupidity is what's triggering.

"problem is she'd already pointed out that they're undesirable (of which looks is the most important factor) and poor. then saying 'no no money and looks doesnt matter, but if you're a socially inept jackass"

You are literally the only person drawing that conclusion.

"literally, 'dissing men'"

Dissing men? By saying that the ones crying about women being sluts are most likely undesirable (due to a number of factors) and that is why they don't have success I dating? Project much?

"mgtow is about men reading the above comment and thinking 'this bitch is crazy' and walking away because cba with it."

Lmao.

"that's just empty talk, we know that's not true at all.
hottest guy with a lambo
fking hell...he'd have women lined up for sure."

No, he'd have gold-diggers lined up for sure. You and the other sad men like you act as if poor experiences with horrible women are some fault of women in general and not your poor taste. Not every women is superficial enough to have looks and wealth be the only important attributes. Again, I'm not triggered. You're the one who brought this back up with me when I wasn't even talking to you.

"No no we don't care about looks and money...just haff a nice personality please"

Justjess was saying they wouldn't be able to afford the dowry.

Your post is laughable. Desirability = looks money status for the majority of women. I didn't say that was wrong either.

Whether you look at China, or India or the west or the middle east or Russia it's the same.

Mgtowers are angry at the double standards most women exhibit whilst demanding equality. We men don't judge women on their bank balance and possessions. Men are more likely to get divorce raped and lose the custody battle.

You can't get over this basic truth so just want to argue over trivial shit "buh buh no wun said anyfink about being fat...proof it you pussy."

Lol forget mgtow, you clearly have bigger things to worry about.

 

[AspiringSoul]

“Looks are the most important factor”

The fact that this is where your brain goes says more about you then me - or women generally. You know what’s attractive/desirable to me?? A man that is good with children, that loves his family, that is kind and generous and reliable and honest.

I’ve never once chosen to date a man based on his looks or bank account. That doesn’t mean those things don’t matter at all but they are secondary and not as important.

They call this whole situation PROJECTING. And yes there are women out there who think like that, but there are just as many women who don’t. These men just don’t want those women because they themselves think like that too.

And no ones mad at men not wanting to be in relationships or prioritizing working on themselves. They are mad at the anti woman rhetoric. The reduction of women to their looks and genitals. The violence being romanticized and encouraged.

You never answered my question, no one did...

If feminism never existed how would these men’s lives improve?

As for the child support issue - the vast majority of single moms never see a dollar. That’s a fact easily corroborated by a google search. Or a search of these forums for where I posted all of it previously.

So you're in a small minority who would date a short fat broke guy cuz he loves children and is a nice human being. Got it.
I don't think mgtowers would hate you. Until you start arguing over some trivial shit.

I'm talking about the majority..society in general. My brain goes that way in the context of referring to the mgtow perspective whilst a girl in here was referring to mgtowers lack of desirability.
Even if looks money and status weren't in her criteria she did mention how they wouldn't be able to afford a dowry in the old system aswell as refer to their lack of desirability which Inc looks.
I posted random mgtow material/YouTubers to dismiss her claim about them not being deisrable (no homo).
So what happens? Conveniently move the goalposts "we only care about personality".
Except that was contradicted by dissing mgtowers for not able to afford the dowry.

As for the rest..I don't care to discuss this shit with you in depth like you're hoping. 11-12 pages on you can't move on. I'm only.going back because you're bringing it up. Even justjess isn't still bringing it up.
You can't let it go and it's minor.

That post I quoted was a comparison to how men are imprisoned a lot sooner.
Most women don't don't get a penny? That wasn't the point.
See this is what I mean..youre dragging this shit on.
I gave an example of the mgtow community making a valid point when it comes to gender equality.
You claim you're only hating because on mgtowers anti-woman rhetoric...when they're usually pointing out the blatant double standards women hold which men don't.

 

[Awoken2]

Hmmm...looks like somebody got...

 

[Robin]

"No no we don't care about looks and money...just haff a nice personality please"

Justjess was saying they wouldn't be able to afford the dowry.

And? That jibe offend you? My god, how sensitive are you?

Your post is laughable. Desirability = looks money status for the majority of women. I didn't say that was wrong either.

No, it doesn't and @justjess clarified on that yet you keep ignoring that. It says more to YOUR shallowness that you automatically assume the foremost meaning is looks. Most women have their own jobs and don't need to rely on a partner for money although it's always nice to have someone who is financially stable and that goes for both sexes. And again, the wrong type of women focuses on status. Men tend to gravitate towards those and then feign shock and disgust when things don't pan out. Take some responsibility there.

Whether you look at China, or India or the west or the middle east or Russia it's the same.

You been to all those places? Because the gender dynamics are vastly different in each of the countries you mentioned.

Mgtowers are angry at the double standards most women exhibit whilst demanding equality.

There are so many double standards you blatantly ignore when it comes to men. For one, I doubt you'll make any commentary on man whores seeing as you called out women riding the "cock carousel". Or the fact that men are much more prone to being superficial in terms of a potential partner's looks. Or how many men have discarded their wives once they get bored or walked out on their families. No, men are perfect and only men have valid reasons for not wanting to be around women. You're a damn hypocrite.

We men don't judge women on their bank balance and possessions.

No but "you men" have your own standards you judge women against. Let's not play coy about that.

Men are more likely to get divorce raped and lose the custody battle.

Which means jack shit if you pick the right partner or sign a prenup. For the millionth time. There are couples who had an amicable and fair divorce and who are friendly and co-parent their kids well.

You can't get over this basic truth so just want to argue over trivial shit "buh buh no wun said anyfink about being fat...proof it you pussy."

Your opinion and projection is not basic truth. You literally ignore everything you don't or can't answer. Wonderful maturity by the way . . . . You're a real catch.

Lol forget mgtow, you clearly have bigger things to worry about.

Don't we all.

 

[Corvus Metus]

MGTOW arises because powerless men are afraid that women will take what little influence they have so they blame them for their lot in life, rather than real power holders. It's easy to shake your first in rage at someone who's overall in a worse place than you... It's a little harder to turn and bite the hand that feeds you.