Why is MGTOW growing and getting much stronger today since Feminism is everywhere?

[justjess]

Do you think what you look like is the only deciding factor in getting laid? Your bank account? No... none of those things in and of themselves are the issue. You can be the hottest guy driving a Lamborghini but if your a socially inept jackass the pool of women who are going to be willing to sleep with you or be with you is shallow.

You end up with a gold digger or someone entirely narcissistic and then wonder why things went bad. And hate all women for it when they do.

I have no problem with men bettering themselves. I’m not mad at it. But let’s not pretend that’s what this movement is about. It isn’t. It’s about hating women, pure and simple.

 

[Scars512]

Many aspects of feminism and the #metoo movement are oppressive towards men.
Just like male misogyny is oppressive towards females.

MGTOW isn't misogynistic, it doesn't demand anything from women or trouble them. It's about men looking out for their own well being, doing their own thing. In many ways it is a spiritual movement...it's no different to celibacy in christianity. instead of monk's rejecting 'the flesh' it is men seeking something deeper in life than standard social norms like having a wife/gf and kids.

The same way you see men angry towards women, you see men angry towards most social norms/expectations. The same way you see many people with spiritual ideals rejecting and angry towards the day to day material life.

Now when people turn to a religion and are angry towards their former life..they're usually coming from disappointment.
it's like saying 'haha that guy turned to religion because he had a shit life'. is that okay?




here's the fucking irony
if these men go it alone....the emphasis on self improvement, physical, mental, emotional and career/money wise, will only make them more desirable wouldnt it?
yet you're mad at them?
you know what happens when a guy doesnt ejaculate for a prolonged period of time? magic....
androgen receptor sensitivity goes through the roof, which makes us pretty beastly (that only works if we actually produce testosterone to go with the receptor sensitivity, ie through exercise and diet). That's why fighters don't have sex for 10-12 weeks before a fight. Yes i've been through it..i was afraid my hair would thin, but it got thicker too.

Now imagine a load of 'undesirable' and poor men, going through some radical change like that, fixing their bodies...inc the dick. improving their confidence aswell as focusing on their career/job in that time?
you have a problem with that?


check out these folk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrWq5AEOpiY

they all look like fat lonely people hating because they can't get laid.

So, they are completely celibate? Including not watching porn and jacking off? Is this advocated in MGTOW? Really? Somehow, I find that pretty hard to believe. I mean, good for them if they are actually doing that. But, honestly, most of the problem is in the attitude of a lot of these guys -- not the superficial stuff like their bodies, dicks, or hairlines.

If some of them are the "nice guys always finish last" types, I have sympathy for them. It sucks to be a nice person in this world -- male or female -- because everyone today thinks being nice = sucker. We don't respect anyone who isn't looking out for #1. But, basically what the MGTOW movement is telling guys is to stop being nice and start looking out for #1. Maybe that is pragmatic advice, but it certainly isn't the path that is going to actually fix anything that is currently wrong with society any more than feminists advocating we sexually exploit ourselves so men can't sexually exploit us is going to help women. Heck, the "sexual liberation" of women has actually resulted in a lot of female porn stars losing their careers because girls are posting that stuff for free on the daily. Men, the majority of the viewers of porn, don't even have to pay for it anymore. Those feminists really won the fight against the sexual objectification of women, lol. Sometimes the "cure" is just as bad the problem itself.

MGTOW is much the same. Sure, they have some points and maybe some of what they say is reasonable (as is the case with feminism as well), but things always get hijacked by the fringe and that's how we end up with some of the craziness we have regarding sex and gender. As if the only choices we have are caveman values and "I can be 37 genders in the space of a day if I say so". And it is also why men are retreating to their safe MGTOW spaces and women are retreating to their safe feminism spaces instead of actually finding common ground and respecting that our differences complement one another instead of making us mortal enemies.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Do you think what you look like is the only deciding factor in getting laid? Your bank account? No... none of those things in and of themselves are the issue. You can be the hottest guy driving a Lamborghini but if your a socially inept jackass the pool of women who are going to be willing to sleep with you or be with you is shallow.

You end up with a gold digger or someone entirely narcissistic and then wonder why things went bad. And hate all women for it when they do.

I have no problem with men bettering themselves. I’m not mad at it. But let’s not pretend that’s what this movement is about. It isn’t. It’s about hating women, pure and simple.

it's okay when you're hating on men, dissing their looks, finances and then their social skills though right?
damn hypocrite.

 

[AspiringSoul]

So, they are completely celibate? Including not watching porn and jacking off? Is this advocated in MGTOW? Really? Somehow, I find that pretty hard to believe. I mean, good for them if they are actually doing that. But, honestly, most of the problem is in the attitude of a lot of these guys -- not the superficial stuff like their bodies, dicks, or hairlines.

If some of them are the "nice guys always finish last" types, I have sympathy for them. It sucks to be a nice person in this world -- male or female -- because everyone today thinks being nice = sucker. We don't respect anyone who isn't looking out for #1. But, basically what the MGTOW movement is telling guys is to stop being nice and start looking out for #1. Maybe that is pragmatic advice, but it certainly isn't the path that is going to actually fix anything that is currently wrong with society any more than feminists advocating we sexually exploit ourselves so men can't sexually exploit us is going to help women. Heck, the "sexual liberation" of women has actually resulted in a lot of female porn stars losing their careers because girls are posting that stuff for free on the daily. Men, the majority of the viewers of porn, don't even have to pay for it anymore. Those feminists really won the fight against the sexual objectification of women, lol. Sometimes the "cure" is just as bad the problem itself.

MGTOW is much the same. Sure, they have some points and maybe some of what they say is reasonable (as is the case with feminism as well), but things always get hijacked by the fringe and that's how we end up with some of the craziness we have regarding sex and gender. As if the only choices we have are caveman values and "I can be 37 genders in the space of a day if I say so". And it is also why men are retreating to their safe MGTOW spaces and women are retreating to their safe feminism spaces instead of actually finding common ground and respecting that our differences complement one another instead of making us mortal enemies.

I don't think mgtow is some spiritual order/institution one joins and partakes in celibacy. It's all personal choice inc defining what mgtow should be.
The ones who want to up their game to pull better looking girls, are some other shit, they aren't mgtow.
the mgtow types who replace women with porn or worse are defeating the whole point aren't they? that is hardly 'going it alone' although it is less damaging than being with the wrong type of woman or trying to gain the attention of one.

About 'stop being nice', that's more a case of, stop being white knights and kissing women's arses. White knights are sad individuals. I'm all about fairness, treat people fairly and equally.

i'll give you an example. One winter i was walking in the town, dropped my wallet and a homeless girl called me out. After doing some shopping i saw her again, it was freezing outside and i felt bad for her, so I handed her a bunch of money without looking/counting it, just quickly handed it and got out of there.
then i wondered, would i have done the same if it was a man? maybe a note, maybe some change...but my head always thinks 'he'll spend it on booze'. that's a double standard in society as a whole, against men.
the otherday i read about a 34 yr old father who commit suicide because he had about £4 in his pocket and had nothing coming in, with 3 kids to raise, waiting for universal credit.
it goes without saying if that was a woman, she could beg on the streets and get money, a guy can't do it, most people won't help out.
it's just a small example of a double standard because we tend to feel sorry for women more than men....and that's wrong.

what happens is over time you're going to get a bunch of men who've experienced those double standards and said 'ok we're tired of this shit'. the #metoo movement esp sent men over the edge.

From what ive seen, men are hating on fucked up women, not 'decent' ones, but it's a gamble since no one knows who is decent and who isn't. is it worth the gamble?
it's only when they analyse things deeper they realised what they've been chasing, status, money, was all about impressing females, was it worth it? did it make them happy personally?

This dumb notion that they're all just socially inept ugly losers, is totally false.

 

[TC1968]

They are undesirable and blame their failure with women and relationships on feminism. If women didn’t have choice or say over their own lives they THINK they’d be doing better. Most likely they still wouldn’t cuz they couldn’t afford a dowry... either way if you have to rely on a system where women have to sleep with/marry you even if they don’t want to that’s pathetic

I think you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Infinityloop]

In contrast to my last comment in this thread, I do think that MGTOW does have a positive advantage of passing through the very intense nihilism left in the wake of feminism/metoo. It's best aspects are establishing a true sense of identity (in a more selfless sense), virtue and strength which tends to have otherwise become void in the contemporary social sphere.
While there definitely is still room for psyops within such a movement (and related ones), there is still a therapeutic element which could be strongly beneficial to the world's Western men.
The biggest thing though that could often be missed, particularly if a community such as that becomes a 'circlejerk' is if there is a failure to diagnose the problem (which is deeper than just feminism/metoo) at it's root. If the root problem (which is an arch starting back in the 19th century) isn't tackled and things are learnt - then what erupts is the 'eye for an eye' mentality of repeating the toxicity from the opposite pov.
Basically, on further thought, I do think there is more light at the end of the tunnel for MGTOW than for feminism/metoo but only if it rejects antagonism. The essence of the name itself, in and of itself "men going their own way" taken on it's own merits is actually a great message but I find serves it's best purpose as a means to an end and not an end to means.

 

[Robin]

Do you think what you look like is the only deciding factor in getting laid? Your bank account? No... none of those things in and of themselves are the issue. You can be the hottest guy driving a Lamborghini but if your a socially inept jackass the pool of women who are going to be willing to sleep with you or be with you is shallow.

You end up with a gold digger or someone entirely narcissistic and then wonder why things went bad. And hate all women for it when they do.

I have no problem with men bettering themselves. I’m not mad at it. But let’s not pretend that’s what this movement is about. It isn’t. It’s about hating women, pure and simple.

This.

 

[AspiringSoul]

some petty feminazis in here man.

 

[Robin]

From what ive seen, men are hating on fucked up women, not 'decent' ones, but it's a gamble since no one knows who is decent and who isn't. is it worth the gamble?
it's only when they analyse things deeper they realised what they've been chasing, status, money, was all about impressing females, was it worth it? did it make them happy personally?

This dumb notion that they're all just socially inept ugly losers, is totally false.

 

[Robin]

 

[DavidSon]

That's quite a symbol there

 

[Robin]

some petty feminazis in here man.

Yeah, coz thinking these men referring to women as "useless oxygen thieves" and worth only their fertility and appearance is problematic = being a feminazi.

 

[Infinityloop]

^ IMO, that's why sex and romance need to be re-evaluated in contemporary society. On both sides you've got such an attachment to "I am my body" (which directly correlates with "I am my Ego", "My Ego is Me") and addiction to pleasure (for women it's the advantages of their beauty and the over-valuing of their sex-organs, for men it is a spiritual part of us that is missing).
Society should be compelling and promoting more meaningful and deeper human relations, values and sources of existential pursuit rather than relying so much on romance and sexual acts. In the 'pre-modern' world, marriage itself wasn't even about sex or even romance per se. Sure it was there but not so excessively.
In this modern world, irregardless of these movements, we have flipped it on it's head where marriage is not valued and unmarried sex (+ romance), aka fornication are taken as default behaviors.

In this case both women AND men have a massive existential void caused through the excretions out of post-protestant/humanist/liberal/secularist "morality" which pushes vulgarity and hedonistic worldviews onto the masses as ipso facto 'rights' and expectation. In the long run, this only creates psychological fragmentation, identity loss and a chaotic unbalance between the sexes.
I'm sure this very much an intended thing by the 'powers that be'. The rift that these movements (feminism and opposite men's movements) cause become a mode of re-programming societal functions further.

The result is terrible on both sides. What really needs to be proclaimed is ethics and purpose, in the face of the Nihilism caused by the above.
Even though there is room for toxicity to fester (I'm sure it has in many areas of the MGTOW community), it still remains that the mentality of MGTOW happens to have more positivity in the long-run than feminism, which is far more materialistic. MGTOW, from what I know, does have a more constructive mentality (on the basis of re-evaluating why we let ourselves be used and so on, in that sense trying to overcome the Ego) than feminism (which is rather destructive through it's materialistic identification with the Ego over all else).
The cause for emergence of both however really show on display the general herd mentality of the masses and how far detached we are from our natural disposition we've really been conditioned.

 

[DevaWolf]

Yeah, coz thinking these men referring to women as "useless oxygen thieves" and worth only their fertility and appearance is problematic = being a feminazi.

I guess I can proclaim being a feminazi now, even though I am male.

If you call out hate you'll always encounter those who slur at you. I call out hatred on both sides of the spectrum, but I won't let off a MGTOW more easily than a radical feminist just because I am male.

 

[Robin]

I guess I can proclaim being a feminazi now, even though I am male.

If you call out hate you'll always encounter those who slur at you. I call out hatred on both sides of the spectrum, but I won't let off a MGTOW more easily than a radical feminist just because I am male.

The funniest thing about this movement is that it applies the same logic extreme feminists use in concluding that all men are abusive or violent or inclined to r*pe. And in spouting the kind of rhetoric they do like in the screenshots I posted, they're single-handedly causing the sort of women (genuine, who also believe in fairness and can recognise bullshit on both sides) they claim dont exist to start becoming opposing reactionaries. It's one big mess.

 

[AspiringSoul]

Yeah, coz thinking these men referring to women as "useless oxygen thieves" and worth only their fertility and appearance is problematic = being a feminazi.

Context....the shit you posted...comments on a video. Perhaps we ought to check out the video to see what it is they're commenting on?

Instead you types are claiming "they got no money or looks so they mad"
Followed by
"Weee don't care about money and looks...only personality"
Followed by
"Dey got no social skillz"

Why? Because they are calling out women who do and say dumb shit?

 

[AspiringSoul]

The funniest thing about this movement is that it applies the same logic extreme feminists use in concluding that all men are abusive or violent or inclined to r*pe. And in spouting the kind of rhetoric they do like in the screenshots I posted, they're single-handedly causing the sort of women (genuine, who also believe in fairness and can recognise bullshit on both sides) they claim dont exist to start becoming opposing reactionaries. It's one big mess.

men in those comments were saying was "these wimmin are crazy...we don't want you" "dem Muslims can have you" lmfao.

That's a far cry from the #metoo movement where men get done for even breathing in the presence of a woman. "He sexually assaulted me with his breath"

 

[Robin]

Context....the shit you posted...comments on a video. Perhaps we ought to check out the video to see what it is they're commenting on?

Instead you types are claiming "they got no money or looks so they mad"
Followed by
"Weee don't care about money and looks...only personality"
Followed by
"Dey got no social skillz"

Why? Because they are calling out women who do and say dumb shit?

Turd Flinging Monkey. That's the name of the channel, most of his videos got taken down but you can search that name and get the videos. And those comments are nothing more than a glimpse of what gets said on their forums. What exactly is my type? If you search up my comments in the r*pe thread you'll see I called out 3rd wave feminism and the myth of r*pe culture MANY times. I acknowledged the unfair legal and social advantage women have over men. Did I post anything like what you're claiming "my type" does?

 

[Robin]

men in those comments were saying was "these wimmin are crazy...we don't want you" "dem Muslims can have you" lmfao.

That's a far cry from the #metoo movement where men get done for even breathing in the presence of a woman. "He sexually assaulted me with his breath"

You wanna know why so many MGTOW forums got pulled down from platforms like Reddit and YouTube? Because comments were overrun with commentary that ran along the lines of "women deserve to be raped", women are nothing more than cum buckets, we should force women to have sex and give birth. They would even trash talk each other, rating one another's looks and they were incredibly racist as well to non-white members. There should still be videos commenting on this if you look it up. And you say that as if every woman joined the #MeToo movement. For someone on a conspiracy theory site you really drank the kool-aid huh? They've won their war of the sexes.

 

[manama]

You wanna know why so many MGTOW forums got pulled down from platforms like Reddit and YouTube? Because comments were overrun with commentary that ran along the lines of "women deserve to be raped", women are nothing more than cum buckets, we should force women to have sex and give birth. They would even trash talk each other, rating one another's looks and they were incredibly racist as well to non-white members. There should still be videos commenting on this if you look it up. And you say that as if every woman joined the #MeToo movement. For someone on a conspiracy theory site you really drank the kool-aid huh? They've won their war of the sexes.

Lets not forget that reddit took down the original subreddit because a guy made a thread asking how he can he r*pe his "female bestfriend" and get away with it and people actually responded by giving him tips because the "bitch deserves it" and kudos to the guy "for getting out of the friendzone".

Anyone who defends mgtow is either a part of it or completely ignorant about it.