They are, you can look it up. And gay men are still men so I don't see your point there. My point isn't that men are influencing women to be narcissistic but that narcicism or vanity as inherently female or feminine traits is an incorrect assumption. Why do you think so many spend all of that money on beauty products though? You think it has nothing to do with the standard men put for women that they feel they have to live up to? This ironically is a point that these MGTOW guys emphasise again and again -a woman is only worth her beauty, sex and fertility. Is it really a wonder the beauty industry is that lucrative?