Conviction rates have nothing to do with rate of report @rainerann .. we can go back and forth over why women dont report, but the conviction rate is seperate from that since it only reflects reported cases.
Are these very credible sources?Research, statisrics, personal experience..
Raineran - conviction rates only consider crimes that have been reported so your off base with that.. they are dismal, r*pe kits frequently arent even tested, and female victims are commonly treated like theyre the criminal themselves - this is a seperate issue from under reporting but its usually a big part of the reason people dont report
I think you are exaggerating where I would get that comparison considering the rampant evidence of crimes being committed by people capturing things on their cell phones. I don't know how you are not seeing the reality that being a witness and victim in r*pe is completely different than it would be for just about every other crime. I will expand, if someone steals your bag in front of the store and tries to run away, how many people do you think could serve as witnesses to support your statement. The likelihood of at least one other witness in just about every other crime is increased by at least 50% conservatively.Also yes, if someone steals your bag you are both victim and witness. There are plenty of crimes where you can be both victim and witness. How are you even saying that?
Ok maybe we men aren't laughed at, but still women TEND to get it easier for charges like that.I think you are exaggerating where I would get that comparison considering the rampant evidence of crimes being committed by people capturing things on their cell phones. I don't know how you are not seeing the reality that being a witness and victim in r*pe is completely different than it would be for just about every other crime. I will expand, if someone steals your bag in front of the store and tries to run away, how many people do you think could serve as witnesses to support your statement. The likelihood of at least one other witness in just about every other crime is increased by at least 50% conservatively.
When you are a victim of r*pe who is considering reporting the crime to the authorities, there is additional social pressure from people who may know the perpetrator to consider as well. This can cause a person to passively approach getting justice for what was done to them. When a person wants justice because someone has robbed them, there is a possibility that they will have to fight to have someone take this seriously as well. Even if they do fight, in the most basic crimes, there is a possibility that the person who has stolen from you or wronged you in some way will get away with it because in order to convict someone of something there is criteria that has to be met. It isn't just victims that struggle with the legal system.
Many people never get their cars back after they were stolen. They never find the person who killed their family member. The conviction rate does not provide an argument that the community does not care about crimes committed against women in comparison to crimes committed against men. It does not demonstrate bias created by gender.
Then, you consider the way the crime of r*pe violates the victim in a spiritual way, how likely do you think they are to advocate for themselves the way someone could if they were a victim of theft, and if victims can't advocate for themselves in the same way, this is contributing to the problem.
What really needs to happen even more than increasing the rate of convicting perpetrators is that we need to create social pressure that prevents this from happening. Social pressure will increase as the victim community increases and finds methods to overcome their tendency to passively address the crimes committed against them. This is more than likely what will happen before the rate of conviction increases. That is because of the complex dynamics involved in being a victim of this crime. There are many hats that a person has to wear in trying to have this prosecuted as a crime and a feminist can make a lot of noise, but noise is not the only thing a victim needs to motivate them to stand up for themselves.
Because most rapes still aren't reported. And when they are, the chances of a perpetrator being tried and/or found guilty are still shockingly low. No one here would argue that men don't get raped, but it's more likely to be by another man than a woman. And they don't report it, likely for the same reasons that most women don't: shame, economic necessity and a lack of faith in the legal system.And how to you know that?
So do we need masculism for the males who have consensual sex when drunk before being accused of r*pe the next day because the girl doesn't remember/like what she did?We need feminism because some people don't understand that if someone is blackout drunk or passed out, they can't content to sex, no matter what they while they were sober. We need feminism, because we have people who still believe that little girls have to be protected and little boys should be left to fend for themselves, either though a healthy child needs a balance. We need feminism because people seem to forget that men and women are both human and entirely equal.
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no.. you need to teach boys that plying women with alcohol to get in their pants isnt ok. u need to teach boys what consent is and to control their impulses until they get it. u need to teach boys that some things are off limits no matter what, like drunk females, just like we already teach them underage girls and for our teenagers that prepubescent children are off limits. we need to teach them that sharing someones nude pics is a sex crime. we need to teach them a lot of things we currently arent.. (theres many things we need to teach our girls too)So do we need masculism for the males who have consensual sex when drunk before being accused of r*pe the next day because the girl doesn't remember/like what she did?
How can a person consent when they are drunk (under a mind altering substance)? Sometimes people use alcohol to get people drunk and have sex with them. The best thing to do is to not have sex with a drunk person... especially if they're drunk and you're not, that's blatantly taking advantage of someone.consensual sex when drunk
Well, if you have sex with someone who is too intoxicated to remember what they are doing... That's r*pe, chief. No matter what she saying while she's drunk and not in full control of what she's doing, or what she said was okay before she got that drunk. Would you be cool with someone having sex with your sister or daughter, who got so drunk she couldn't remember what happened? I'd wager you wouldn't...So do we need masculism for the males who have consensual sex when drunk before being accused of r*pe the next day because the girl doesn't remember/like what she did?
Always good to avoid clubs/drinks and the like.How can a person consent when they are drunk (under a mind altering substance)? Sometimes people use alcohol to get people drunk and have sex with them. The best thing to do is to not have sex with a drunk person... especially if they're drunk and you're not, that's blatantly taking advantage of someone.
you think this only happens when alone? or with people u dont know and trust? that is a bit naive.. date r*pe is a thing, its way way more common for a woman to be assaulted by someone she knows then stranger r*pe.I think we can all agree that someone trying to influence you into getting drunk while they don't is pretty nefarious but whatever happened to personal responsibility? Women should teach other women to learn how to not get into situations where they can be taken advantage of and this goes for boys as well. Before my wife became a Muslim she used to drink but she knew better than to be in a club alone and surrounded by guys while drunk.
If I was black I wouldn't be walking into bars owned by the KKK.
Since we have FEMINism we should also have MASCULISim. You know so the gender playing field can be equalized.
I agree. I think it starts with cutting back on alcohol consumption. Because there is hardly ever security anywhere. And when they are, they are terrible. There's not much to keep the bros in check.honestly that whole bro culture is disgusting but very much ingrained. so easier said then done.
Let me clarify. I was speaking on a man and a women having a drunken night and having consensual sex. Then the next day the girl either regrets or doesn't remember the night and screams r*pe. Should men come up with an ism to fight these type of cases that are definitely prevalent in society? And when are feminists going to speak up and out against this behavior?no.. you need to teach boys that plying women with alcohol to get in their pants isnt ok. u need to teach boys what consent is and to control their impulses until they get it. u need to teach boys that some things are off limits no matter what, like drunk females, just like we already teach them underage girls and for our teenagers that prepubescent children are off limits. we need to teach them that sharing someones nude pics is a sex crime. we need to teach them a lot of things we currently arent.. (theres many things we need to teach our girls too)
honestly that whole bro culture is disgusting but very much ingrained. so easier said then done.
why do u think having sex with someone too intoxicated to know what they are doing is okay?
So who raped who if two people are both drunk and have sex? They both go to the police and accuse each other of r*pe?How can a person consent when they are drunk (under a mind altering substance)? Sometimes people use alcohol to get people drunk and have sex with them. The best thing to do is to not have sex with a drunk person... especially if they're drunk and you're not, that's blatantly taking advantage of someone.