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[Forever Light]

Lol the actual goal of communism is to remove capitalism and the monetary system in favor of collective ownership of the means of production where goods are produced based on need instead of profit. Communism is a stateless, moneyless and classless society... it's not a "new world order", there is no ruling class.

That's how communism is advertised and it sounds nice, but it's not the reality and it has never actually worked that way in any country it was implemented because as soon as it becomes organised into a political party or government, it becomes evil and a dictatorship because there are always people (the pigs - like in "Animal Farm") who are selfish and evil and go on to establish themselves as the upper class.

Communism also eventually builds walls to keep people in because if they didn't, then the place becomes deserted. Capitalism is also evil and teaches the wrong values, but at least it allows people the freedom to leave, if they didn't want to be a capitalist, so it is probably the lesser of the evils. Everyone should individually help his neighbours, from personal choice (like Christ taught).

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

 

[enderpotato00]

That's how communism is advertised and it sounds nice, but it's not the reality and it has never actually worked that way in any country it was implemented because as soon as it becomes organised into a political party it turns evil because there are always people (the pigs - like in "Animal Farm") who are selfish and evil and go on to establish themselves as the upper class.

Communism also eventually builds walls to keep people in because if they didn't, then the place becomes deserted. Capitalism is also evil and teaches the wrong values, but at least it allows people the freedom to leave, if they didn't want to be a capitalist, so it is probably the lesser of the evils. Everyone should individually help his neighbours, from personal choice.

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
― George Orwell, Animal Farm

I agree with you about communism. But Capitalism ain't evil. You have more freedom under capitalism then you would under communism.

 

[mecca]

That's how communism is advertised and it sounds nice, but it's not the reality and it has never actually worked that way in any country it was implemented because there are always people (the pigs - Animal Farm) who are selfish and evil and establish themselves as the upper class.

Communism has not been implemented in any country yet. It has been subverted in many countries by the US government or by dictators. But societies resembling the ideal communist one have existed since the beginning of humanity, that's the way humans used to organize themselves before a group of people violently robbed the rest of us of our land and privatized the commons, forcing everyone else into working for them. Communism is certainly possible and achievable, people just have to put in the work to make it happen so we don't allow these wealthy capitalists to control us anymore. Communism works if the people make it work, it is based on self government. People also have to defend themselves. If communism is worked towards in an anti-authoritarian way, there will be less room for someone to take power.

as soon as it becomes organised into a political party or government

It should not be organized into a political part or a government because it is supposed to be against the current political and economic system of exploitation and the end goal is a stateless society, therefore it should be achieved in a stateless way without any governments taking over.

Communism also eventually builds WALLS... to keep people in because if they didn't, then the place soon becomes deserted.

Communism is based on voluntary association... since it is decentralized, people can leave and join communities as much as they want. It can't be deserted, that doesn't make sense.

Capitalism is also evil and teaches the wrong values, but at least it allows people the freedom to leave, if they didn't want to be a capitalist.

We cannot leave the capitalist system... if we do not participate, we will starve on the street and die. Every human born into a capitalist country is forced to partake in the exploitative systems, either we have to sell our labor to be exploited by a rich landowner or we are born into a rich family and we own land to exploit others labor.

here are always people (the pigs - Animal Farm) who are selfish and evil and establish themselves as the upper class.

Selfish and evil people will not always win, the majority of humans could easily prevent them from dominating if we band together. That's why the elite employ their divide and conquer techniques to keep us fighting each other instead of them. But it won't work forever.

 

[Forever Light]

I agree with you about communism. But Capitalism ain't evil. You have more freedom under capitalism then you would under communism.

Agree that you have more freedom under Capitalism than under Communism, which is why Capitalism is probably less evil, but Capitalism is evil too because it teaches worldly values, greed and competition and so you end up with runaway consumerism and a very wasteful "throw away society" that ends up trashing the planet.

"Individual-socialism" from an individual and personal choice standpoint and without being forced, within a free and open society would be the ideal, but for that to happen people would need to be developing themselves spiritually. Jesus taught The Way, i.e. “individual socialism” and if everyone was like Jesus, there would be no need for governments, because everyone would be helping his neighbours out of free-will.

 

[mecca]

Agree that you have more freedom under Capitalism than under Communism

How? Under communism there is no oppressive state, society is organized democratically in a decentralized manner, human relationships are based on mutual aid instead of competition, you don't have to sell your labor and be a wage slave to a capitalist, and goods will be produced based on need so you will have access to your basic necessities instead of living in poverty because you weren't lucky enough to be born rich. That is considerably more freeing than being a worker under capitalism where greed is encouraged and people compete against each other for survival instead of working together.

"Individual-socialism" from an individual and personal choice standpoint and without being forced, within a free and open society would be the ideal, but for that to happen people would need to be developing themselves spiritually. Jesus taught The Way, i.e. “individual socialism” and if everyone was like Jesus, there would be no need for governments, because everyone would be helping his neighbours out of free-will.

That's the same thing as anarcho-communism, anarchists are strongly against coercion. There is no "individual socialism", it's just called communism.

 

[enderpotato00]

How? Under communism there is no oppressive state, society is organized democratically in a decentralized manner, human relationships are based on mutual aid instead of competition, you don't have to sell your labor and be a wage slave to a capitalist, and goods will be produced based on need and you will have access to your basic necessities instead of living in poverty because you weren't lucky enough to be born rich. That is considerably more freeing than being a worker under capitalism where greed is encouraged and people compete against each other for survival instead of working together.

That's the same thing as anarcho-communism.

How? Because in Capitalism, you can move up, plus it encourages competition b/c there is an incentive to innovate and produce.

 

[enderpotato00]

How? Under communism there is no oppressive state, society is organized democratically in a decentralized manner, human relationships are based on mutual aid instead of competition, you don't have to sell your labor and be a wage slave to a capitalist, and goods will be produced based on need and you will have access to your basic necessities instead of living in poverty because you weren't lucky enough to be born rich. That is considerably more freeing than being a worker under capitalism where greed is encouraged and people compete against each other for survival instead of working together.

That's the same thing as anarcho-communism.

And yea you have to compete for survival. Same thing for other animals. Cooperation isn't just some natural part, yes we are more social animals, but then why would there be competition if we're strictly cooperative?

 

[enderpotato00]

Agree that you have more freedom under Capitalism than under Communism, which is why Capitalism is probably less evil, but Capitalism is evil too because it teaches worldly values, greed and competition and so you end up with runaway consumerism and a very wasteful "throw away society" that ends up trashing the planet.

"Individual-socialism" from an individual and personal choice standpoint and without being forced, within a free and open society would be the ideal, but for that to happen people would need to be developing themselves spiritually. Jesus taught The Way, i.e. “individual socialism” and if everyone was like Jesus, there would be no need for governments, because everyone would be helping his neighbours out of free-will.

I didn't say Capitalism was perfect, but it works a hell of a lot better than Communism or Socialism.

 

[mecca]

Cooperation isn't just some natural part

It is a natural aspect of humanity and nature as is competition... but we do not need a society based on competition, it promotes negative values and oppresses people who end up less fortunate. A society based on cooperation is more beneficial to all.

b/c there is an incentive to innovate and produce

Money and competition are not the sole incentives for anything. Before money and capitalism ever existed, people still had the desire to create and invent things. A better incentive for production is need rather than profit. Profit encourages waste.

 

[enderpotato00]

It is a natural aspect of humanity and nature as is competition... but we do not need a society based on competition, it promotes negative values and oppresses people who end up less fortunate. A society based on cooperation is more beneficial to all.

Money and competition are not the sole incentives for anything. Before money and capitalism ever existed, people still had the desire to create and invent things. A better incentive for production is need rather than profit. Profit encourages waste.

That was because they had to in order for humanity to continue. Capitalism has encouraged cooperation. Have you ever looked at Apple's history and really computer history in general.

 

[enderpotato00]

It is a natural aspect of humanity and nature as is competition... but we do not need a society based on competition, it promotes negative values and oppresses people who end up less fortunate. A society based on cooperation is more beneficial to all.

Money and competition are not the sole incentives for anything. Before money and capitalism ever existed, people still had the desire to create and invent things. A better incentive for production is need rather than profit. Profit encourages waste.

We don't live in ancient Egypt anymore.

 

[enderpotato00]

It is a natural aspect of humanity and nature as is competition... but we do not need a society based on competition, it promotes negative values and oppresses people who end up less fortunate. A society based on cooperation is more beneficial to all.

Money and competition are not the sole incentives for anything. Before money and capitalism ever existed, people still had the desire to create and invent things. A better incentive for production is need rather than profit. Profit encourages waste.

Yea and Communism would be better. Even though you'll still stay poor. You can't give equal resources. We have unlimited wants but limited resources.

 

[justjess]

Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.​

Ronald Wright, A Short History of Progress

 

[mecca]

We have unlimited wants but limited resources.

Humans currently produce enough food to completely eliminate world hunger, the only thing standing in the way is capitalism. The food is available but people are too poor to afford it so it is just wasted. In the US alone, 30-40% of food is thrown away and wasted. In a need based system, the people would be prioritized over profit. No one would be starving because no one would have to pay money for basic necessities, they would be provided to everyone. A lot of things will no longer need to be mass produced and resources won't have to be wasted on things that people don't need.

 

[enderpotato00]

Humans currently produce enough food to completely eliminate world hunger, the only thing standing in the way is capitalism. The food is available but people are too poor to afford it so it is just wasted. In the US alone, 30-40% of food is thrown away and wasted. In a need based system, the people would be prioritized over profit. No one would be starving because no one would have to pay money for basic necessities, they would be provided to everyone. A lot of things will no longer need to be mass produced and resources won't have to be wasted on things that people don't need.

No. Why do you think money was created? Ancient civilization DID have a currency.

 

[enderpotato00]

Humans currently produce enough food to completely eliminate world hunger, the only thing standing in the way is capitalism. The food is available but people are too poor to afford it so it is just wasted. In the US alone, 30-40% of food is thrown away and wasted. In a need based system, the people would be prioritized over profit. No one would be starving because no one would have to pay money for basic necessities, they would be provided to everyone. A lot of things will no longer need to be mass produced and resources won't have to be wasted on things that people don't need.

I hate having to say you're stupid to really think that world hunger will be solved this way. Its a bit more complicated than that.

 

[mecca]

We don't live in ancient Egypt anymore.

Lmao, yeah... and?

 

[enderpotato00]

Lmao, yeah... and?

We're different than we were 2500 years ago. Yes we're the same species, but society and shit has changed.

 

[enderpotato00]

But we're getting off topic here.

 

[mecca]

No.

Yes, I stated facts, you can look it up yourself. You can't just say "no" lol...

Why do you think money was created? Ancient civilization DID have a currency.

Ancient civilizations were first gift economies. Here is a good resource on the emergence of money: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt:_The_First_5000_Years

I hate having to say you're stupid to really think that world hunger will be solved this way. Its a bit more complicated than that.

Excuse you, you can't go around calling people stupid for stating facts. The simple fact is that we produce enough food, but people are too poor to eat it, so it is wasted. This can be resolved.