Why Feminism isn't needed anymore (except in 3rd world countries)

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So who raped who if two people are both drunk and have sex?
If both people are drunk it's just a bad decision.
They both go to the police and accuse each other of r*pe?
No... has anyone ever done that? It would not make sense.
But even if that was the case what do we say about the women's decision making to where she would get black out drunk around men who could potentially assault her?
The rapist should be blamed, not the victim.
A sentiment, that isn't really being said by modern feminists...
Everyone including feminists understands the common sense of keeping oneself safe to the best of their ability... But people shouldn't have to be afraid to go out because other people are rapists, the rapists should be the ones who are controlled.
 





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you think this only happens when alone? or with people u dont know and trust? that is a bit naive.. date r*pe is a thing, its way way more common for a woman to be assaulted by someone she knows then stranger r*pe.

yeah we have to teach our girls some things too but personal responsibility ends where criminal behavior begins.
Men and women who aren't related can't be friends and thus shouldn't be hanging around together.

Personal responsibility never ends. Criminal behaviour will always be around no matter what and the best defense is to stay aware and stay away from places where you know you can be hurt. For example, you as a female shouldn't be walking down a dark alleyway at 1 in the morning in a bad area knowing that you can be possibly raped. People do bad things regardless of what the law says and the only thing that will keep you safe first and foremost is yourself.
 





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Everyone including feminists understands the common sense of keeping oneself safe to the best of their ability... But people shouldn't have to be afraid to go out because other people are rapists, the rapists should be the ones who are controlled.
But rapists and other criminal behaviour can't be controlled and never will be. And this is where personal responsibility comes into play. You have to be smart and vigilant and know to stay away from places where there's lots of alcohol consumption, drugs, and etc.
 





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that is where we disagree... violent stranger rapes may be completely oyt of our control but there are definately things we could be doing as a society to decrease the more common types of r*pe, things that dont require limiting womens freedoms.
 





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Well, if you have sex with someone who is too intoxicated to remember what they are doing... That's r*pe, chief. No matter what she saying while she's drunk and not in full control of what she's doing, or what she said was okay before she got that drunk. Would you be cool with someone having sex with your sister or daughter, who got so drunk she couldn't remember what happened? I'd wager you wouldn't...
My scenario didnt include the details you are adding in. I said two drunk people having consensual sex to where the next day the female regrets or doesn't remember the act and cries r*pe. When are the feminists going to speak out against that? Should men create an ism to combat that ill that is DEFINITELY prevalent in society or are we going to pretend that it doesn't happen that much if at all? Asking if I'd be cool with r*pe is feminazi 101. Which is why I continually repeat that no one deserves to be raped.
 





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yoir going to have to prove that is prevalent tbh. because as far as i can tell its not.
 





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If both people are drunk it's just a bad decision.

No... has anyone ever done that? It would not make sense.
This is why you should have left it at what I said (2 drunks) and not changed it to what you said (sober male/drunk female)

The rapist should be blamed, not the victim.
Yes I didn't say any different. But a rapist is going to r*pe no matter what laws you put in place. So women should be taking responsibility to not make poor decisions that increase the chances of an assault happening (no dark alleys late at night, don't get blackout drunk around strangers etc...)

I have gold, but you won't see me in certain areas with it on at certain times of day. Why? Because I'm taking personal precaution so that I'm not a victim of a crime. In a perfect world, I'd be able to wear whatever I wanted, where ever I wanted, whenever I wanted. But we're not in a perfect world so I take precaution. It seems feminists don't stress taking precaution as much as they do pretending as if there's a r*pe or sexual assault culture amongst all or even most men..
Everyone including feminists understands the common sense of keeping oneself safe to the best of their ability... But people shouldn't have to be afraid to go out because other people are rapists, the rapists should be the ones who are controlled.
There's a difference between fear and precaution.
 





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I said two drunk people having consensual sex to where the next day the female regrets or doesn't remember the act and cries r*pe.
But when does that happen? You make it seem like a widespread epidemic but it doesn't seem very common. If it were such a prevalent problem then you would see more people and feminists speaking out about it. If you want more people to talk about it then you should be raising awareness and providing statistics that demonstrate there is such a problem.
When are the feminists going to speak out against that?
Individually on a case by case basis I'm sure they do. If they hear of someone ever doing something like that, surely most people including feminists would be against it.
 





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I'm sorry but I don't see why I'd need to prove to you that there are women who make false or misguided r*pe accusations.
because the acyual rate of false claims is something like 3% and includes claims that arent necessatily false but lack corroboration or the victim was inconsistant (which happens with trauma).

if you are going to assert something which contradicts legal and academic consensus, you are going to have to back up your claim.

for the record every rapist i ever met says the victim wanted it, even when the victim in question is 5 years old. just like every inmate in prison is innocent.
 





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So women should be taking responsibility to not make poor decisions that increase the chances of an assault happening (no dark alleys late at night, don't get blackout drunk around strangers etc...)
Yes, people do those things to protect themselves.
It seems feminists don't stress taking precaution as much as they do pretending as if there's a r*pe or sexual assault culture amongst all or even most men..
Feminists stress that both are important. But feminism is concerned with women's freedom so they will talk more about how to actually stop rapists and fix society rather than placing the burden upon women to have to take a bunch of precautionary measures to protect themselves from r*pe.
 





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I'm sorry but I don't see why I'd need to prove to you that there are women who make false or misguided r*pe accusations.
most rapes do not happen in dark alleys. they arent perpetrated by strangers.

what you are basically saying is men cant be trusted, live in fear. i personally have more faith in men in general.
 





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its like people are completely unaware that every little girl is taught these things, and then again as teenagers... why do they think we dont even pee alone?

we shouldnt have to reduce our freedom at all to prevent being raped or assaulted.. but people clearly still think the majority of the burden lies on us..

this alone should demonstrate why feminism is still needed
 





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I agree. I think it starts with cutting back on alcohol consumption. Because there is hardly ever security anywhere. And when they are, they are terrible. There's not much to keep the bros in check.

People should be able to go out and have fun in a safe environment. I mean why is this even a question? People need to start looking in the mirror. Because we are getting the world we apparently want. One that isn't really that safe for anyone. We have to resort to not going out in public much. And it's dumb, like that's not a solution.

We might as well give everyone magic bullets. But that's forbidden in the Bible.
Some can handle alcohol. Some end up loud and douchey
 





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But when does that happen? You make it seem like a widespread epidemic but it doesn't seem very common. If it were such a prevalent problem then you would see more people and feminists speaking out about it. If you want more people to talk about it then you should be raising awareness and providing statistics that demonstrate there is such a problem.
All you have to do is google it or watch the news. There's plenty of stories about it if you'd look into it. You can't bring statistics on these kinds of things so just look up the stories yourself and see how men can get convicted of r*pe based of the word of a female. That was my point. That a drunken consensual night between two people can turn to a r*pe accusation the next day because the female either regrets or doesn't remember what happened. This is one example of how, unlike feminism would lead us to believe, society caters to females more so than men

And I'm not here to make this society a better place so I don't care about spreading awareness to the majority.
 





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Yes, people do those things to protect themselves.
Yes so responsibility lies in the female to not increase the chances of a potential sexual assault by making poor decisions

Feminists stress that both are important. But feminism is concerned with women's freedom so they will talk more about how to actually stop rapists and fix society rather than placing the burden upon women to have to take a bunch of precautionary measures to protect themselves from r*pe.
Child support laws/custody battles benefit women moreso than men. Divorce/alimony same thing. Welfare same thing. An accusation of sexual assault can get a person jailed/punished even with no proof and feminists still want us to believe that women are being held back...
 





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because the acyual rate of false claims is something like 3% and includes claims that arent necessatily false but lack corroboration or the victim was inconsistant (which happens with trauma).

if you are going to assert something which contradicts legal and academic consensus, you are going to have to back up your claim.
I don't believe there is a solidified way to get stats on how many women have falsely accused someone of r*pe so I definitely question that 3% number. On the flip side you can google and find story after story of false/misguided r*pe accusations from high and low profile men

for the record every rapist i ever met says the victim wanted it, even when the victim in question is 5 years old. just like every inmate in prison is innocent.
Your personal and anecdotal experiences are relevant to you but shouldn't be relevant to the public when trying to come to a consensus about something.
 





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most rapes do not happen in dark alleys. they arent perpetrated by strangers.

what you are basically saying is men cant be trusted, live in fear. i personally have more faith in men in general.

its like people are completely unaware that every little girl is taught these things, and then again as teenagers... why do they think we dont even pee alone?

we shouldnt have to reduce our freedom at all to prevent being raped or assaulted.. but people clearly still think the majority of the burden lies on us..

this alone should demonstrate why feminism is still needed
If you're equal to men then the burden of protecting yourself to the best of your ability DOES rely on you.

And no you shouldn't have to restrict yourself to go about. But you have to because the world is an effed up place. It'd be cool if I could wear whatever colors I wanted in gang infested areas. It'd be cool if I could wear as much jewelry or have as much money on me as I wanted in low income high crime areas. It'd be cool if in some foreign countries I could shake their hand with my left or right or give a peace/ thumbs up sign without offending anyone. But since this isn't a perfect world I have to recognize my reaponibility to not increase the chances of certain things happening to me. Is it fair? No not really. But it is life so I can either deal with it or run away from the reality of things.
 





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we shouldnt have to reduce our freedom at all to prevent being raped or assaulted.. but people clearly still think the majority of the burden lies on us..
This makes no sense. There will always be a compromise in freedom no matter the situation. Are you saying if an employee leaves the store with no one else tending to it and there are no other security measures, they're not the ones at fault if things are stolen because everyone is expected to abide by the law? Things don't work that way. You have to lock your door when you sleep, you watch out for cars on the road when you walk across it, because you can't expect everyone to act perfectly. This goes to both men and women. Personal measures are a thing, you're always expected to protect yourself first.
 





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I think we can all agree that someone trying to influence you into getting drunk while they don't is pretty nefarious but whatever happened to personal responsibility? Women should teach other women to learn how to not get into situations where they can be taken advantage of and this goes for boys as well. Before my wife became a Muslim she used to drink but she knew better than to be in a club alone and surrounded by guys while drunk.

If I was black I wouldn't be walking into bars owned by the KKK.

Since we have FEMINism we should also have MASCULISim. You know so the gender playing field can be equalized.
Personal responsibility is a thing, sure. If I'm so drunk and leave my wallet at the bar and walk off, and it gets stolen, I'm an idiot... But just because I'm an idiot doesn't mean I deserve to have my wallet stolen and the person that stole it shouldn't still be arrested for a crime. If Jenny is drunk off her ass and Johnny exploits for sex, he's a rapist. Jenny might be stupid, for getting drunk when Johnny's around... But Johnny's did the crime.

My scenario didnt include the details you are adding in. I said two drunk people having consensual sex to where the next day the female regrets or doesn't remember the act and cries r*pe. When are the feminists going to speak out against that? Should men create an ism to combat that ill that is DEFINITELY prevalent in society or are we going to pretend that it doesn't happen that much if at all? Asking if I'd be cool with r*pe is feminazi 101. Which is why I continually repeat that no one deserves to be raped.
If both people are equally drunk, it isn't r*pe, and I can't think of any case were someone was arrested. There's certainly been a few cases where the dude was drunk, but in almost every case he's be significantly less drunk.

And you're right; feminists usually don't speak up against false r*pe claims. They absolutely happen, and its awful... But consider it from the perspective of a feminist. r*pe is still a crime where women feel like they have to fight to prove. "You shouldn't have got drunk with him." "You shouldn't have worn a shirt that short or a top that showed that much cleavage." "You shouldn't have been there alone at night." If they acknowledge false r*pe claims, that gives their attack more ammunition against them. "How do we know you're not list lying because you regret it?"


Almost every r*pe victims asks themselves if it was their fault. They question themselves, wonder if they did something to deserve. Some never come forward, because the amount of shame and pain they feel... And really, it's something most men will never understand. And then men that do understand are usually the sort that understand why sometimes a woman waits twenty fucking years before she comes forward because even sharing such a violation of self with someone you love and trust, let alone a stranger, is one of the hardest things you can ever do.

r*pe isn't just sex. It's one of the worst crimes that a any victim can suffer, because it's a complete loss of power. It's forcefully stripping someone down to their most vulnerable position, and violating that person to their core. I know people who experienced sexual assault, who decades later, still feel pain from it. They swear that it will never happen again, even if they have to die, and it's harmed every relationship they've been in since. Since it's nothing you heal from. It's nothing you forget. It's nothing that you forgive. It's something you live with and try to keep from consuming you and there isn't a single victim, male or female, of sexual assault/r*pe that ever lives normally after it.

I feel that people like you and Kung Fu don't really understand the severity of the crime.