Why Feminism isn't needed anymore (except in 3rd world countries)

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Like I said, this is not possible under capitalism, if you have to sell your labor to someone and they make a profit off of you, that's exploitation. If you go to a better job, you still won't have full control over it, you will still be used to make someone else a profit. Unless those workers form a cooperative where they personally own and control the means of production, they can't fully liberate themselves.

Humans build up their own societies, we can have one that is based around positive values instead of negative ones. We can organize into a more just society, it does not have to be perfect but it can certainly be better.

No, I am always concerned with my own personal freedom and the freedom of humanity.
Ok, dumbass- I mean Mecca. And under communism, thats not exploitation. Plus how will items get from point A to Point B. Capitalism has a way of doing that. And also, Communism and Democracy doesn't work. They're both conflicting ideologies.
 
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Like I said, this is not possible under capitalism, if you have to sell your labor to someone and they make a profit off of you, that's exploitation. If you go to a better job, you still won't have full control over it, you will still be used to make someone else a profit. Unless those workers form a cooperative where they personally own and control the means of production, they can't fully liberate themselves.

Humans build up their own societies, we can have one that is based around positive values instead of negative ones. We can organize into a more just society, it does not have to be perfect but it can certainly be better.

No, I am always concerned with my own personal freedom and the freedom of humanity.
And of course, you're right, right? Because you feel morally superior.
 
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Like I said, this is not possible under capitalism, if you have to sell your labor to someone and they make a profit off of you, that's exploitation. If you go to a better job, you still won't have full control over it, you will still be used to make someone else a profit. Unless those workers form a cooperative where they personally own and control the means of production, they can't fully liberate themselves.

Humans build up their own societies, we can have one that is based around positive values instead of negative ones. We can organize into a more just society, it does not have to be perfect but it can certainly be better.

No, I am always concerned with my own personal freedom and the freedom of humanity.
And riddle me this, if Capitalism is so evil, then why is communism so hated by many people? And don't give me the government bullshit, give me your reason for this? Goodbye.
 
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Like I said, this is not possible under capitalism, if you have to sell your labor to someone and they make a profit off of you, that's exploitation. If you go to a better job, you still won't have full control over it, you will still be used to make someone else a profit. Unless those workers form a cooperative where they personally own and control the means of production, they can't fully liberate themselves.

Humans build up their own societies, we can have one that is based around positive values instead of negative ones. We can organize into a more just society, it does not have to be perfect but it can certainly be better.

No, I am always concerned with my own personal freedom and the freedom of humanity.
And. You have freedom in this country. We all do, regardless of class. We're all privileged. You've never even lived in a socialist country. So quit lecturing me on a system you've never lived in. I live in a Capitalist society, so I understand what it really is. Apparently you don't, and think its all "exploitation", sad.
 
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I'm reporting you, you don't know how to have a respectful conversation. And the things you say have no basis.
Really? Idk I learned what I said. Not referring to Wikipedia articles all the time. And please, report me so I can delete my account.
 

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She cited one wiki which was a summary of a book. Wow.. you cae back hard at her for no reason at all.

If capitalism is working out for you, great. It doesnt for many people. Historically when we were closest to pure capitalism it didnt work out for the overwhelming majority of people and thats an understatement.

Your grandfather became a scientist when higher education was subsjdjzed grearly by the government - ienitnwas affordable. And unions were strong so wages across the board were more fair. Neither of those thungs came fron capitalism.
 
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Hmm, I think the line is still a little blurred because your position seems to be trying to create a standard, but this could be because of the way the conversation has been led in the direction where defending your position somehow starts to require something you didn’t intend. I hate when that happens.

As far as the issue with getting drunk, it is like you are trying to suggest that a standard should be created where we assume that the women had consensual sex if she was drunk at the time before we assume or accept her testimony of being raped.

The problem is that neither should be a standard. The scenario you are suggesting should be considered on an individual basis and we should not assume that women say they are raped as a way to abuse the privileges they have gained from the women’s movement or that they are never making a false accusation because women never lie about being raped.

Therefore, I can sympathize to some extent the direction this is going because there is no way to create a standard on either side and so the conversation starts to run out of substance and spin in circles.

The subject of oversexualization has a lot more substance and I would personally like to see more women discussing it. I have thought this since I was 20 years old and realized that most of the peer based sexual harassment I have experienced was the result of media oversexualization of women. It is another reason I don’t support modern feminism. They don’t seem to defend anything that would actually improve my quality of life as a woman. So I think you have made a good point bringing this subject into the discussion. It is unfortunate that the women’s movement does lose much of its effectiveness because it’s fails to take responsibility for things that are within our control as women.
I never said we should assume anything with a r*pe accusation or that we should automatically not believe a persons accusation. I gave a certain scenario and asked a question that never got answered. And now or when this post was made, we were running off on tangents.

So to be clear I don't disagree with anything in your post. It's just your last sentence is something I personally believe modern feminists look over for complaining about men. The aspect of personal responsibility.
 

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It’s not rare for women to be raped if they don’t go out late, go to clubs, or have male friends. I actually think the chances are of being assaulted are slimmer because your guard is more up in those situations. Most women I’ve met have been sexually assaulted by family members or “friends”. Predators can be meticulous and will befriend victims with foul intentions. Women can be raped by husbands too. I don’t think you realize just how common it happens and how many men don’t even consider themselves rapists when that’s exactly what they are.
Sorry, I don't believe this for even a second. I'm willing to bet my life that the chances of you getting raped is a lot higher when you're around males that are non-family members and when alcohols involved and when you're out in places you know you shouldn't be than you would be with family members doing family oriented activities.

The recipe to reducing your chances of getting raped is really easy. Don't have non-family male friends, don't be alone with males unless they're your husband, brother, and or father, don't go to clubs, stay away from alcohol, dress modestly, and don't be out late. It's common sense but common sense isn't so common nowadays.
 
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if these men dont want to be alone with women anymore i dont really see how thats a loss for women. i dont think you are going to see too many women upset about that.
It is when it comes to hiring. Eventually all that me too stuff will trickle down to HR where at least at times, they'll second guess hiring females into certain positions. My opinion of course but everything done in the media is for social engineering of the public

thats the thing, i personally do not feel the majority of sexual assaulters are sociopathic career criminals. i think they are jist regular guys who dont know any better, dont realize what their doing is r*pe or assault or even wrong.
This is why feminism is laughable. No matter the fear mongering, r*pe is not normal among most men in this society. Nor is sexual assault.
 

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really? ask pretty much any woman if shes been assaulted and how often and i think youll feel differently.
 

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I never said we should assume anything with a r*pe accusation or that we should automatically not believe a persons accusation. I gave a certain scenario and asked a question that never got answered. And now or when this post was made, we were running off on tangents.

So to be clear I don't disagree with anything in your post. It's just your last sentence is something I personally believe modern feminists look over for complaining about men. The aspect of personal responsibility.
i answered it bro.. look again
 

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Sorry, I don't believe this for even a second. I'm willing to bet my life that the chances of you getting raped is a lot higher when you're around males that are non-family members and when alcohols involved and when you're out in places you know you shouldn't be than you would be with family members doing family oriented activities.

The recipe to reducing your chances of getting raped is really easy. Don't have non-family male friends, don't be alone with males unless they're your husband, brother, and or father, don't go to clubs, stay away from alcohol, dress modestly, and don't be out late. It's common sense but common sense isn't so common nowadays.
Then you live in a much different reality than the rest of us. You can do all those things and still get sexually assaulted. It’s common sense to not have with someone who can’t/doesn’t consent yet here we are. You can get raped by your father, brother or husband. Kids typically don’t get abused by strangers either. Elder people get raped too. Literally anyone who’s in a position to be easily silenced or overpowered are the main targets of abuse. The only person to blame for r*pe is the rapist, period.
 
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i answered it bro.. look again
I don't think so but I'll ask again just in case I skipped over it. If a women and a man get drunk, and the women wakes up the next day forgetting,regretting, or misremembering what happened the night before and cries r*pe, who will generally be believed by police? And I mean with no other pieces of evidence like texts or witnesses. An answer would mean the man, the woman, or neither.

And if men have to be represented by the minority of men that r*pe/sexually assault, why don't women have to be repped by the women who make false accusations?
 

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Then you live in a much different reality than the rest of us. You can do all those things and still get sexually assaulted. It’s common sense to not have with someone who can’t/doesn’t consent yet here we are. You can get raped by your father, brother or husband. Kids typically don’t get abused by strangers either. Elder people get raped too. Literally anyone who’s in a position to be easily silenced or overpowered are the main targets of abuse. The only person to blame for r*pe is the rapist, period.
r*pe statistics show that the majority of women who get raped are raped by non-family members. The chances of you getting raped by your brother and or father is extremely slim compared to the chances of you getting raped by a non-family member.

The kids issue is a whole other ball game, I'm specifically talking about grown women and how virtually most of the r*pe cases can be prevented if this society wasn't free mixing and alcohol so readily available. Would it reduce your chances of getting raped to 0, of course, not but it will minimize it that's for sure.

No one ever claimed that rapists aren't to blame.
 

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r*pe statistics show that the majority of women who get raped are raped by non-family members. The chances of you getting raped by your brother and or father is extremely slim compared to the chances of you getting raped by a non-family member.

The kids issue is a whole other ball game, I'm specifically talking about grown women and how virtually most of the r*pe cases can be prevented if this society wasn't free mixing and alcohol so readily available. Would it reduce your chances of getting raped to 0, of course, not but it will minimize it that's for sure.

No one ever claimed that rapists aren't to blame.
No one claimed it but you seem very fixed on victim blaming and I think that’s a pretty negative mentality tbh. I’m sure r*pe victims are traumatized enough by being violated, there’s no need to shame them for whatever actions that happened leading up to it regardless of your opinions on the matter. You seem to lack empathy towards women. Like I said before women are more vigilant when going out because of the potential dangers of getting assaulted. They go out in groups, carry pepper spray, don’t accept drinks from strangers, etc. Alcohol and being around the opposite sex isn’t the number one reason people get raped. Our society breeds degenerates through toxic masculinity and a hyper sexual society.
 

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No one claimed it but you seem very fixed on victim blaming and I think that’s a pretty negative mentality tbh. I’m sure r*pe victims are traumatized enough by being violated, there’s no need to shame them for whatever actions that happened leading up to it regardless of your opinions on the matter. You seem to lack empathy towards women. Like I said before women are more vigilant when going out because of the potential dangers of getting assaulted. They go out in groups, carry pepper spray, don’t accept drinks from strangers, etc. Alcohol and being around the opposite sex isn’t the number one reason people get raped. Our society breeds degenerates through toxic masculinity and a hyper sexual society.
Well if they don't want to get raped then they shouldn't be going out to night clubs, staying out late, and free mixing with men that aren't their immediate family members.

I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't go to places late at night, and I don't free mix with women that aren't my family members and I have fun. This also goes for my wife.

I do agree with you that this society is degenerate but just as men play a role in that so do women. You seem to think I'm only focused on women while you yourself are only focused on men. The difference between you and I is you're a dreamer and I'm a realist. You'll never be able to get rid of r*pe or get rid of crime but you can minimize it. I've brought actual solutions to the table but feminists don't like it because they feel like they should be able to to get drunk, be around men that aren't their brothers, dads, and etc. while not be violated but sadly that's not how the world works and it never will. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want to participate in decadence then you'll have to accept the consequences. It's as simple as that.
 

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Well if they don't want to get raped then they shouldn't be going out to night clubs, staying out late, and free mixing with men that aren't their immediate family members.

I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't go to places late at night, and I don't free mix with women that aren't my family members and I have fun. This also goes for my wife.

I do agree with you that this society is degenerate but just as men play a role in that so do women. You seem to think I'm only focused on women while you yourself are only focused on men. The difference between you and I is you're a dreamer and I'm a realist. You'll never be able to get rid of r*pe or get rid of crime but you can minimize it. I've brought actual solutions to the table but feminists don't like it because they feel like they should be able to to get drunk, be around men that aren't their brothers, dads, and etc. while not be violated but sadly that's not how the world works and it never will. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want to participate in decadence then you'll have to accept the consequences. It's as simple as that.
This is a thread about why we supposedly don’t need feminism yet you’re arguing why women are partially to blame for being raped. Alcohol isn’t the issue...maybe men shouldn’t feel entitled to women’s bodies???? The difference between you and I is definitely our perspectives. I’m a woman so of course I’m going to defend women. I don’t see how I’m a dreamer when I’m sure I’ve experienced this more than you ever have. I believe men are perfectly capable of not raping anyone regardless of the other participants actions. Women have literally been murdered or physically assaulted just for rejecting men’s advances. A lot of us start getting noticed sexually around 11-13. There is something wrong with our society and liquor isn’t the main reason.
 
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Well if they don't want to get raped then they shouldn't be going out to night clubs, staying out late, and free mixing with men that aren't their immediate family members.

I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't go to places late at night, and I don't free mix with women that aren't my family members and I have fun. This also goes for my wife.

I do agree with you that this society is degenerate but just as men play a role in that so do women. You seem to think I'm only focused on women while you yourself are only focused on men. The difference between you and I is you're a dreamer and I'm a realist. You'll never be able to get rid of r*pe or get rid of crime but you can minimize it. I've brought actual solutions to the table but feminists don't like it because they feel like they should be able to to get drunk, be around men that aren't their brothers, dads, and etc. while not be violated but sadly that's not how the world works and it never will. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want to participate in decadence then you'll have to accept the consequences. It's as simple as that.
Wow if us men folk are really so dangerous, wouldn't it be much more fair if we were the ones who were told we shouldn't go anywhere late at night etc? Makes sense to me.
 

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This is a thread about why we supposedly don’t need feminism yet you’re arguing why women are partially to blame for being raped. Alcohol isn’t the issue...maybe men shouldn’t feel entitled to women’s bodies???? The difference between you and I is definitely our perspectives. I’m a woman so of course I’m going to defend women. I don’t see how I’m a dreamer when I’m sure I’ve experienced this more than you ever have. I believe men are perfectly capable of not raping anyone regardless of the other participants actions. Women have literally been murdered or physically assaulted just for rejecting men’s advances. A lot of us start getting noticed sexually around 11-13. There is something wrong with our society and liquor isn’t the main reason.
I never said liquor was the only reason or main reason but one of several. Regardless, I have actually brought solutions or at least possible solutions that would, I feel, greatly minimize r*pe but since feminists want to have their cake and eat it too they don't want to hear and that's fine but just remember until things such as free mixing, alcohol, sexual promiscuity, the dress code (for both men and women), popular culture, and etc. are addressed accordingly incidents of r*pe will never decrease and in fact will only keep on increasing if the things I mentioned are magnified even further. This isn't rocket science. You can't control the actions of others (no matter how hard you try) but you as a woman can control you're own and thus this is where personal responsibility comes to play.

If I was a black man, I wouldn't go to a bar operated and owned by people that belong to the KKK because I know there's a high probability that I would get into a situation where I could potentially lose my life even though I could be doing nothing wrong.
 
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