I am glad you highlighted the word BELIEVERS. Yes, those who believed from Bani Israe'eel. How that has anything to do with Paul is beyond me! Yeah, sounds like you got this one from David Wood. That guy makes all sorts of errors.
Anyway, you have misinterpreted the verse. None of the mufasireen (those who explain the Qur'aan) understood it this way. We take our interpretation of the Qur'aan from the Qur'aan itself, from the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam and from his disciples who learned directly from him and their students. It is not based on what we THINK it means. Based on this methodology the verse can be understood as follows.
Abdullah ibn Abbas (a prominent disciple) mentioned that there were 3 groups at the time of Jesus. One group believed Jesus was God himself. The second group believed that Jesus was not God but the son of God. The third group believed that Jesus was the Prophet of God and this was the 12 disciples and they were Muslims. The Muslim group was fought against and they were killed. Others who adhered to the true teachings of Jesus i.e (that he was a Prophet of God and not God Himself) were also persecuted. There are other verses about how the true followers of Jesus were persecuted as well.
What is meant by Allah giving victory to those who believe is by the sending of the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasllam and Islam becoming dominant over all other religions as Allah says in the same Surah "it is he who has sent His messenger with guidance and the religon of truth that it may prevail over all other religions even if the disbelievers dislike it". This is why the story is mentioned in the same chapter. This is the context based on what Abdullah ibn Abbas said. Anyone who contradicts Ibn Abbas and says it means something else are idiots. Who understands the verse the best the disciple of the Prophet or David Wood???!!!!
"and we aided those who believed (meaning the Muslims who believed he was a Prophet and they were small in number until the sending of the Prophet) and they become dominant". Meaning, Allah aided them and Islam spread over the world.
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just to make it clear, im a muslim.
so dont mention david wood to me ever again. i may diss and mock you, but that doesnt mean im like that guy.
i think for myself and im true in my intentions
david wood is a clown who just begs for acceptance from the masses
i speak my mind knowing it'll piss off pseudo muslims like yourself.
if i was like David Wood, i would be pushing your narrative even further, praising you and pming you to tell you how great 'we are'.
i know who on here is like that..it isnt me..but there are guys like that on here amongst the muslims who just trying to make friends and be popular online (sad as that is).
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you said
"Abdullah ibn Abbas (a prominent disciple) mentioned"
no, no he didn't
ibn kathir's tafsir took from another tafsir
en.wikipedia.org
this text was written in the lifetime of ibn kathir, how very convenient...
it's a forgery, basically made up..and the link itself shows you im not alone in that opinion.
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you wrote
None of the mufasireen (those who explain the Qur'aan) understood it this way. We take our interpretation of the Qur'aan from the Qur'aan itself, from the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam and from his disciples who learned directly from him and their students. It is not based on what we THINK it means.
None of the mufasireen (those who explain the Qur'aan) understood it this way.
that's total nonsense, how would you know if they did or didnt?
it used to be the tradition in islam for the learned to have at least 9 possible (valid) interpretations for the Quran..
to have 1 was considered ignorant.
that means, they had to be open minded to see different possible ways of understanding the Quran.
that was just tradition amongst the learned.
i for one, appreciate multiple opinions...but what i dont appreciate are those that use fabricated sources..to me that's satanic. i mean that's intentional right? read the wiki link above again...it's pretty damning in what it says about that fabricated tafseer and yet everywhere i see muslims going to that one. Who is pushing it? seriously...ibn kathirs tafsir has the highest google search results too, that tells me there's foul play at work.
in fact if you do your research you'll find various early islamic sources accepted Paul.
still ill answer that
- In Surah al-Isra, Allah reminds us that the bani israel(in the context, jews) were given 2 warnings and were punished twice (that is, the events that resulted in the destruction of the jewish temple in jerusalem).
The verses are very brief and touch on some of that history..
but the only way to gain insight on that history, is by studying the bible. You won't find any detail in the hadith..and certainly not in islamic sources. For example the first punishment was through Babylon. To appreciate that, you'd have to read texts like Habakkuk, Daniel, Zechariah Jeremiah especially
the second punishment came from the romans, also relies heavily on Daniel, Zechariah,
Another example is that in the Quran, Hell is called 'Jahannum' and yet no muslim can explain the origins of this term by only using islamic sources alone.
Jahannum comes from Gehenna which was a valley in Jerusalem. It was the place where jews used to sacrifice their children to a pagan idol (molech). After that, the place became a representation of evil. The jews used to burn their waste there...and it was the worst possible place to them. So...it became a symbol of hell...and hence hell got the name 'Gehenna' and hence the arabic Jahannum.
it is necessary to understand the bible, christian and jewish history, to understand the Quran better.
another example is that in the Quran, surah 18, the 'sleepers of the cave' story is told..yet this was a christian story..and btw they (who are considered awliya in islam) were PAULINE CHRISTIANS
and likewise in the hadith, St George (called juraij) is mentioned...and he too was an awliya and a pauline christian.
- related to the above, the Quran directly confirms the 'truth and guidance' in the OT and NT in the time of the prophet SAW. It is rather sad that somehow id need to spoonfeed you this info. As if you couldnt form those conclusions by actually paying some attention tot he Quran.
-relate to the above, since the Quran has confirmed the authenticity, truth, guidance etc of the OT and NT and refers to them as 'The Word of Allah'
and likewise the prophet SAW placed the Torah on a cusion and said to it "I BELIEVE IN THEE"
so of course your original point is totally wrong..
still, what point were you even trying to make? you were attacking Paul and i used the Quran to support him..only for you to quote a fabricated source claiming it's 'ibn abbas' (showcasing your own ignorance), to contradict the Quran itself.
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so you then wrote
What is meant by Allah giving victory to those who believe is by the sending of the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasllam and Islam becoming dominant over all other religions as Allah says in the same Surah "it is he who has sent His messenger with guidance and the religon of truth that it may prevail over all other religions even if the disbelievers dislike it".
i actually quoted the Quranic verse directly..and you have spat at it and gone to your fabricated interpretations
here's the verse again
O you who believe! be helpers (in the cause) of Allah, as~ Isa son of Marium said to (his) disciples: Who are my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the cause) of Allah. So a party of the children of Israel believed and another party disbelieved; then We aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became uppermost.
(سورة الصف, As-Saff, Chapter #61, Verse #14)
this doesnt mention prophet Mohammad, it has nothing to do with him. There isnt a single credible source in islam that relates this verse to the prophet SAW.
This verse speaks for itself...it is exactly what it says
The group that were uppermost/successful in preaching their message, were the 'believers'
and yet that was the Pauline doctrine....
if the romans were from the wrong camp from the very beginning...as in paul was under satanic influence, then Allah would not even refer to them as 'Nasara', they would not be nasara at all.
actually it gets worse, you said
"and we aided those who believed (meaning the Muslims who believed he was a Prophet and they were small in number until the sending of the Prophet) and they become dominant". Meaning, Allah aided them and Islam spread over the world.
so the Quran was speaking in past tense? and at the time islam was 'spread all over the world'?
but before that you wrote
The Muslim group was fought against and they were killed. Others who adhered to the true teachings of Jesus i.e (that he was a Prophet of God and not God Himself) were also persecuted. There are other verses about how the true followers of Jesus were persecuted as well.
if they were killed/persecuted then they werent victorious/uppermost were they?
what actual message spread the farthest? it was pauline christianity..
and in the Quran the pauline christians are the ones who are called the nasara.
So clearly since Allah says He made the 'believers from bani israel' uppermost, this clearly means Pauline christianity and Paul were on the right track.
trinitarianism came later, in the 4th century..you can criticise that...
but Paul is off limits..as per Quranic logic, not your psuedo islamic, satanic version using forged works.