I don't believe Noah had sex with his children wow how disgusting and what a great form of slander to try and elevate Jesus.
What? Its slander to elevate Jesus to being Perfect? I believe you slander Jesus by saying others were perfect, but we know that even in your own Holy Text these Prophets werent truly sinless. Your religion has this very weird method of calming perfection while the person clearly exhibits Sin, like Muhammad who lied stole murdered ect...
Why would God send Noah to his nation, to try and warn them if they don't worship God alone and leave their sinful ways otherwise there'll be a flood?
Why did God aid him in his mission to build an ark and save the people who accept him as their prophet?
Can't you see that man has corrupted the word of God and altered the events that happened to corrupt the reputation of God's prophets?
So I guess you have never read the Bible, but claim to know of its corruption. And I am sorry it wasnt Noah it was Lot got drunk after the flood and his daughters came in and took advantage of him because they were afraid that there would be no one to reproduce with after the Flood. Noah got drunk and his children walked in on him naked. Noah followed God, and was the only one who followed God in a time where all of creation was being corrupted by the Fallen Angels. That is why God chose him, because he had Faith and was undefiled by the Fallen Angels.
The one I see altering the Word of God and the events that happened to Gods Prophets is Muhammad, trying to retell what actually happened to fit his made up Religion.
My point is, the bible seems to be full of hate for all these prophets and none of us were alive at the time of these people, so as a truth seeker I can only go on what the scriptures say. The bible is too conflicting for me to accept and too slanderous of these prophets. If we're honest with ourselves why would men sent by or chosen by God be so sinful?
The Bible absolutely has zero hate for these men, they are beloved men and fathers of the Faith, they speak to the fact that they are Humans just like you and me. Therefore why does God send or chose such men? To show that God is above man and that God is able to take a broken man like you or me and perform great and wonderful things thru them!!! What a powerful and wonderful God I serve, one who understands my brokenness but still says I want to use you for my plan, I can still use you to glorify my name, that you in your brokenness is exactly what I want and need, turn to me and I will strengthen you, guide you, and bring you to do things you never ever thought were possible!!! Praise the Lord!!!
Yes Moses killed a man, yes Adam and Eve at the apple but they were human.
Exactly, you just proved my point, Moses was a murderer, thus he wasnt perfect now was he? But somehow in your religion people who murder steal lie r*pe and whatnot are still considered perfect. News Flash they arent...
It's like Christians set themselves this unreleastic standard of perfection and condemn everyone for being sinful, but then Jesus came and died for the sins?
Its like Muslims set an unrealistic meaning of the word Perfect, throwing it anyone even when they murder lie r*pe steal and break every single point of the Law...
Christians acknowledge the facts, the fact that you are a sinner, that you break the Law, that you even break your own made up moral Law apart from any Religious mandate. This alone exposes the fact that you are not perfect. The founder of your Religion was far from Perfect when looking at him from an objective standpoint, he murdered, stole, lied, coveted, raped, pillaged and basically broke every one of the 10 Commandments, let alone the rest of the Law of Moses, yet you all elevate him to be perfect and the absolute blueprint of how men should live.
Christians look objectively at all humans, including prophets and say well they broke the Law therefore they are Guilty of Sin, so how does one attain Redemption of Sin? The god of Islam is not a god of justice whatsoever, you can break his law all day long apparently and he in no way requires justice for the sins committed before him. Say your sorry supposedly your good (but anyone who slightly studies the basic tenets of Islam knows thats not at all whats required to be possibly accepted by Allah, there are more stipulations, like acknowledging Allah as the only god and Muhammad as his prophet for starters. Or that one must be a Muslim, you and I both know no one really has a change to get to heaven by your Religion unless they are a follower of Islam.)
The facts are saying your sorry doesnt rectify the need for justice for the Sins one commits before a Perfect and Holy God. If I go to trial for IDK stealing $10,000 dollars from a bank and I stand before the judge, since there is a LAW that mandates a sentence, I can say I am sorry but that doesnt matter. If the Judge is a Truly Just Judge then he must sentence me to the penalty of the Law.
If we were to believe that we both serve the same God (we dont) then we ought to be able to agree He gave Moses a Law and contained in that Law was the penalties for breaking the Laws, and the method of bringing Justice. If we look at the Law He gave Moses, Sin is only covered by the Blood of the Innocent, otherwise Death is the Punishment. Jesus came to cover Sin and meet the Requirements so that God can still be fully Justified and Holy in His Justice and Redemption of mankind.
Allah just lets billions of people who are breaking the Law go with absolutely no justice being maintained, save the ones he throws in hell, because that is the punishment for Sin even in your religion, Hell. But all of you who were to go to Allahs heaven if it existed, were to be getting there without any Justice for your sins, Allah is a corrupt and unrighteous judge...
Why didn't he come before? What's so special about us that he died for? What happens to the people that have lived since Adam ? The bible doesn't answer any of these questions it just veils its gaps by affirming that Jesus is the way. I don't understand how Christians conclude he's god or god in the flesh and I don't accept there's sufficient evidence that suggests this
Why didnt He come before?
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
He was slain from the foundation of the World, foreordained before the foundation of the World, God created the World already knowing how Redemption was to be found in Christ, in Himself.
Whats so special about us that He died?
He loves us and doesnt wish to see anyone have to pay the price for their Sins, so He came and made the way that no one ever has to endure the Punishment their Sins deserve, which is Hell...
What about those who came before Jesus?
Ive already answered that in detail, you are free to read the response here if you like:
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/all-ancient-gentiles-will-go-to-hell-heres-the-reason.540/#post-23569
Everyone is Judge equally, we all know there is a God, we all know we are Sinners, we all know we cant make up for our Sin. If one prior to Jesus coming have Repented (changed his mind) about Sin, knowing he is guilty and unable to make up for Sin, and cry for Salvation then I believe they would have accepted the Gospel if preached to them, thus the Blood is applied.
All of your questions are thoroughly answered in the Word of God, I dont believe you have ever tried to read it, not once...
As for the Quran, if you took the time to actually read it you'd understand it explains the story of existence, the fall of man, the role of God, why we're here, who created us, how God is ONE and did not come to earth to experience how it was to be human. Why would God need to experience it?he created us! If that's the case let him come as a cat or a chicken so he can find out what it's like to be an animal...
Ive read and studied Islam, the Koran and large portions of the Hadiths, all I see is it wants to corrupt the Word of God and was given by a False Prophet, with a god that doesnt comprehend justice...
So you want to tell me your god Allah, understands the temptation of Sin? Your god knows what its like to be sad? Knows what its like to be angry? Please dont lie, we both know that the god taught in Islam is wholly apart from Creation with absolutely no transcendence into creation itself. Your god doesnt know what its like for you to be heartbroken and lonely, to be upset and betrayed, to be depressed and full of anxiety. You can not actually identify with your god and your god cant actually identify with you..
My God 100% knows about every single emotion, and feeling I have or will ever experience, He knows just what its like to face temptation, and can identify with me in every single way.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
My God can identify with me, and all He wants is a Personal Relationship with me, Jesus knows and I can identify with Him when I am going thru struggles, when I am tempted, when I am afraid, when I am lonely, I have a Personal Relationship with my God. That doesnt exist in Islam, Allah is above you and cant transcend to your level, nor can you transcend to his level, you can just have a relationship where you externally worship him in hopes he hears or cares for you...
No thanks I will worship the One True God, who came into Existence, that Identifies with me in all ways, who can and does have a Personal Relationship with me, and who holds to being a Righteous Judge caring out and keeping Justice when people break His Law...
People have a problem with Mohammed because he was either Arab or he married a young girl despite not consummating his marriage until she was older. Character assassination is the only choice you guys have, please explain where an illiterate man got the extensive information explicitly described and clarified in the Quran? He could read or write it's impossible that he copied previous scripture...and most of the Quran is a continuation of previous books which were corrupted by man
I have a problem with Muhammad because he was a warlord, murdering, coveting, lying, stealing, raping, pillaging, barbarian, who has lead billions of people into hell with him by going directly against the main theology of Christ, that He died and resurrected for the Salvation of mankind.
Where did Muhammad get his information? First off his wifes cousin, Waraqah ibn Nawfal was a Catholic, I am sure he explained Catholicism to him, which explains why Muhammad doesnt understand the Trinity at all. And more over, I 100% believe he was visited by a Spirit in that cave, but that Spirit definitely wasnt Gabriel, Satan transforms himself as an angel of light. We know its not Gabriel because Gabriel wouldnt be telling others to deny the Atonement and Salvation found in Christ. Whether an Angel or a Man denies the Gospel they are to be accursed, that Spirit that came to your false prophet is accursed and Muhammad is accursed. I hope you repent and come to know the One True God and the only possibility of Salvation, thru the Blood Atonement of Jesus Christ...