Who do Muslims really worship?

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this image in particular from the linked website got me thinking.(and its not the naked women)

its the text...

i did mention earlier in this thread the thing about two mothers from the time of Solomon, Neith and Sophia

Neith = Mother of Ra

Ra = Sun

SOPHIA = mother

anyone have any more info on this matter?
Woman predate men? And who impregnated them? Idiot.
 






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Can you even read?
You claimed that woman could reproduce without males. Not my claim but yours. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because archaeologists didn't find male bones does not mean they didn't exist. That's a foolish assumption and I question the sanity of anyone who accepts such a preposterous theory.

أنت أحمق كبير وأجهل من الحمار
 






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You claimed that woman could reproduce without males. Not my claim but yours. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because archaeologists didn't find male bones does not mean they didn't exist. That's a foolish assumption and I question the sanity of anyone who accepts such a preposterous theory.

أنت أحمق كبير وأجهل من الحمار
looks like you never read the following threads....

Scientists have found you can make sperm cells from bone marrow....

maybe thats how Jesus was brought into being?
 






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looks like you never read the following threads....

Scientists have found you can make sperm cells from bone marrow....

maybe thats how Jesus was brought into being?
i mean if you think about it, Jesus has no father, and Mary was a virgin, maybe she used some of her bone marrow and got herself pregnant...

Perfect virgin birth! :)
 






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i mean if you think about it, Jesus has no father, and Mary was a virgin, maybe she used some of her bone marrow and got herself pregnant...

Perfect virgin birth! :)
i do think, that technology was available at the time of Jesus...to do such a thing as a bone morrow transplant of sorts....

The Annunaki came way before Jesus, they were nuclear and had spaceships too...

just a thought anyways....
 






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As above - So below

Surah Najm

Allah Talla

Reversal

= Sirius - Above the horizon and Below the horizon


What do you think guys?

am i right?
i searched for the number eight...which if the number in question when converting Allah to Allat...

and this is what i found

Sirius is always easy to find. It’s the sky’s brightest star! Plus, anyone familiar with the constellation Orion can simply draw a line through Orion’s Belt to find this star. Sirius is roughly eight times as far from the Belt as the Belt is wide

maybe it has something to do with nothing ...i dunno, there is definitely a link though.
 






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i searched for the number eight...which if the number in question when converting Allah to Allat...

and this is what i found

Sirius is always easy to find. It’s the sky’s brightest star! Plus, anyone familiar with the constellation Orion can simply draw a line through Orion’s Belt to find this star. Sirius is roughly eight times as far from the Belt as the Belt is wide

maybe it has something to do with nothing ...i dunno, there is definitely a link though.
Sirius – A Rising Star

Step through the Lion’s Gate on 8/8 to receive infinite empowerment! The Lion’s Gate opens every year around July 26 and stays open until about August 12 – reaching its peak on August 8, activating a tremendous amount of star power energy. From the sky perspective, this event is marked by the heliacal rising of Sirius, the brightest star in the sky. This means that during this time, Sirius will rise (be visible) above the eastern horizon just before sunrise (rising just before the Sun).

Sirius is a star of legends, known for bestowing wealth, honor, devotion, passion, and powerful creative talent. In ancient Egypt, the rising of Sirius was directly associated with the rising of the Nile River, which would nourish the land and crops, sustaining life. Lion’s Gate is a portal for accelerated ascension and major shifts on all levels. You’re always creating your reality, but when the Gate is open, everything moves faster and with intensified energy. Bottom line is that using the Gateway will multiply your efforts and keep them burning until full fruition.

Infinity 8

The Lion’s Gate is at maximum power on the eighth day of the eighth month, activating the energetic power of 8/8. In numerology, 8 embodies balance and equalization in and across all realms. 8 brings shifts and changes that bring harmony and alignment. When under the influence of 8, being willing to let go of things tipping the scales out of balance is key to success and peace. Far-reaching ideas, achievement, financial security, leadership, organization, and ambition are all expressions of the number 8 vibration.

The infinity symbol is an 8 on its side, representing limitless power and infinite immortality. It’s a symbol that flows forever without end. It encompasses going in and out and continuous cycles within cycles. 8 holds the same shape as our DNA structure and stores codes that we can access, especially at times like Lion’s Gate opening.

Leo the Lion

Now imagine all the vitality and radiance of the Sun in this mix and you’re a little closer to understanding what this experience can offer. This is the Lion’s time – the month when the Sun is in the zodiacal sign of Leo. Leo, Child of the Sun, is the individualized expression of Divine Light. Leo rules the heart and is filled with pride, sense of purpose, generosity, and an enduring passion for creating and expressing life in all forms. Stepping through the Lion’s Gate is to awaken to the Divinity within you and fully embody your goddess-self!

Leo is a fixed fire sign that infuses everything with fortified and resilient life force. Leo rules the heart, teaching us to lead from the heart, motivate from the heart, and live from the heart. Its ruling planet is the Sun, the center of our solar system. Leo and the Sun are both archetypes of self-importance and self-centeredness, but in perfect proportion with the rest of creation. The Sun sustains life as we know it. It’s the God of Light who faithfully rises every morning and it represents the spirit-center in each of us. The Lion’s Gate beckons us to enter a new dimension of living where our brilliance and the brilliance of all other beings can rise, be seen, shared, and fully received. If we’re open and have the courage to cross the threshold, the Lion’s Gate will pull us into Divine alignment, from which our true power can be accessed and used in all the ways we were created to shine.

I’m a Leo and this is my personal time of power, so I’m extra excited to share this with all of you. While everyone has access to this portal, we Leos resonate on a cellular level with Lion’s Gate energy, and in a sense, its opening unlocks the doorway to our own mysteries.

Solar Plexus Superpower

The Sun and Leo are naturally associated with the Solar Plexus Chakra, the energy center that sits about three inches above the navel and is the seat of our personal power. The Lion’s Gate opening is an invitation to accept and amplify your own power and use it in ever-expanding ways. A balanced Solar Plexus Chakra manifests as self-confidence, healthy self-control, and willpower. It directly correlates to prosperity and the entire cycle of manifestation. If you’ve been struggling with finances, you can use this energy portal to guide your stream of thought in the direction of abundance and tap into the frequency and flow of money and resource.

By now, you’re probably getting the idea that the Lion’s Gate is a vortex of serious power and should be engaged with conscious intent for positivity. Big Solar Plexus energy can trigger issues around authority and your purpose in life, and it’s easy to become aggressive and bossy when this energetic center is overactive. Solar power can be like a punch to the stomach when unrestrained and in the absence of kindness, so act in and from love. There’s no need to be afraid of your power or to play small when you’re following your heart and Higher Guidance.

 






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Shugborough_inscription.jpg

can anyone work this out?

I already did...but I want to see someone else's workings out?
 






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Muslims often make the point that Christian Arabs also refer to God as "Allah" (including in this thread) as a way to refute the claim that Allah is an idol, or pagan deity, but they do not mention the fact that these Christians call Jesus "Yasu'a" instead of "Isa/Eesa", that is, the Judaized Antichrist of the Qur'an. This shift in spelling is inexplicable except when we consider that Eesa (عيسى, 'aeesa) is the biblical Esau (عيسو, 'aeeso), the brother of Jacob (called Israel).

This claim is not a novel one, nor is it one that only non-Muslims make: the Islamic prophet of the modern age, Ahmed Deedat, confirms this in his book "Christ in Islam" (ch. 2). He claims that "[Jesus'] proper name was Eesa (Arabic), or Esau (Hebrew); classical Yeheshua, which the Christian nations of the West latinised as Jesus." His reasoning as to why the Hebrew name of Jesus is Esau is completely foolish, but he nonetheless confirms this Judaic belief.

In the rabbinic mythology, Esau is believed to represent the eternal enemy of the Jews, generally this means the Gentiles, but particularly it means Jesus Christ. Johann Eisenmenger (d. 1704) in his book "Rabbinical Literature, or, the Traditions of the Jews, Vol. II" wrote: "it is said that the soul of Esau passed into Christ; and that we, who believe in him, and whom they therefore call Esau and Edomites, are no better." Islam also teaches some kind of transmigration of souls or likenesses when it comes to Jesus' crucifixion. In the Qur'an, in Sura 4, Ayah 157 we read: "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts..."

The Tafseer of Ibn Abbas offers the following explanation for this confusion: "Allah wanted to kill their man Tatianos" so he made him look like Jesus and this is who the Jews crucified instead. But this only raises more questions, such as: Who in the world is Tatianos? And why did Allah want to kill him? Or why did he not kill "their man" by other means and instead fomented this grand deception? Also, how did Allah make the switch? It is not for nothing that another verse referring to this event (Sura 3, Ayah 54) says that "Allah deceived them". The verb used there is مكر (makar) which translates to "cunning, wiliness, deceit, guile", but which Muslims falsely translate as "Allah planned" to minimize the insidious nature of the Judeo-Islamic god.

Furthermore, Islam's ties to rabbinism in its early history is firmly established by the evidence. Muhammad had a "pact" with the Jews of the Banu Qurayzah which they eventually violated, prompting Muhammad to effectively massacre the whole tribe. The Qur'an itself has references to Talmudic traditions such as in Qur'an 5:31-32, Qur'an 21:51-70 (Abraham smashing the idols), and Qur'an 28:76. In fact, one of the earliest historical sources referencing Muhammad and his religion explicitly discusses this relationship in some detail. In Sebeos the Priest's "A History of Heraclius", he says the following:
Twelve peoples representing all the tribes of the Jews assembled at the city of Edessa. When they saw that the Persian troops had departed leaving the city in peace, they closed the gates and fortified themselves. They refused entry to troops of the Roman lordship. Thus Heraclius, emperor of the Byzantines, gave the order to besiege it. When the Jews realized that they could not militarily resist him, they promised to make peace. Opening the city gates, they went before him, and Heraclius ordered that they should go and stay in their own place. So they departed, taking the road through the desert to Tachkastan Arabia to the sons of Ishmael. The Jews called the Arabs to their aid and familiarized them with the relationship they had through the books of the Old Testament. Although the Arabs were convinced of their close relationship, they were unable to get a consensus from their multitude, for they were divided from each other by religion. In that period a certain one of them, a man of the sons of Ishmael named Mahmed, became prominent. A sermon about the Way of Truth, supposedly at God’s command, was revealed to them, and Mahmed taught them to recognize the God of Abraham, especially since he was informed and knowledgeable about Mosaic history. Because the command had come from on High, he ordered them all to assemble together and to unite in faith. Abandoning the reverence of vain things, they turned toward the living God, who had appeared to their father–Abraham. Mahmed legislated that they were not to eat carrion, not to drink wine, not to speak falsehoods, and not to commit adultery. He said: “God promised that country to Abraham and to his son after him, for eternity. And what had been promised was fulfilled during that time when God loved Israel. Now, however, you are the sons of Abraham, and God shall fulfill the promise made to Abraham and his son on you. Only love the God of Abraham, and go and take the country which God gave to your father Abraham. No one can successfully resist you in war, since God is with you."
As the comment on Wikipedia states: "This section describes how Mahmed first established a community comprising Ishmaelites and Jews based on their common descent from Abraham; the Arabs via Ishmael, and the Jews via Isaac." For context, you can read about the Jewish revolt against Heraclius which lead to their exile and subsequent cajoling of the pagan Arabs to work towards their "Zionist" ambitions. This was quite effective as it resulted in the capture of Jerusalem and the building of the Dome on the Rock a few decades after Sebeos wrote his account.

TL;DR - The Islamic counterfeit docetic Jesus called Eesa is in fact Esau, the brother of Jacob, who in rabbinic literature represents the enemies of the Jews and is associated by them with the real Jesus of the Gospels. Esau being the name for Jesus is confirmed by Ahmed Deedat.
 






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Muslims often make the point that Christian Arabs also refer to God as "Allah" (including in this thread) as a way to refute the claim that Allah is an idol, or pagan deity, but they do not mention the fact that these Christians call Jesus "Yasu'a" instead of "Isa/Eesa", that is, the Judaized Antichrist of the Qur'an. This shift in spelling is inexplicable except when we consider that Eesa (عيسى, 'aeesa) is the biblical Esau (عيسو, 'aeeso), the brother of Jacob (called Israel).

This claim is not a novel one, nor is it one that only non-Muslims make: the Islamic prophet of the modern age, Ahmed Deedat, confirms this in his book "Christ in Islam" (ch. 2). He claims that "[Jesus'] proper name was Eesa (Arabic), or Esau (Hebrew); classical Yeheshua, which the Christian nations of the West latinised as Jesus." His reasoning as to why the Hebrew name of Jesus is Esau is completely foolish, but he nonetheless confirms this Judaic belief.

In the rabbinic mythology, Esau is believed to represent the eternal enemy of the Jews, generally this means the Gentiles, but particularly it means Jesus Christ. Johann Eisenmenger (d. 1704) in his book "Rabbinical Literature, or, the Traditions of the Jews, Vol. II" wrote: "it is said that the soul of Esau passed into Christ; and that we, who believe in him, and whom they therefore call Esau and Edomites, are no better." Islam also teaches some kind of transmigration of souls or likenesses when it comes to Jesus' crucifixion. In the Qur'an, in Sura 4, Ayah 157 we read: "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts..."

The Tafseer of Ibn Abbas offers the following explanation for this confusion: "Allah wanted to kill their man Tatianos" so he made him look like Jesus and this is who the Jews crucified instead. But this only raises more questions, such as: Who in the world is Tatianos? And why did Allah want to kill him? Or why did he not kill "their man" by other means and instead fomented this grand deception? Also, how did Allah make the switch? It is not for nothing that another verse referring to this event (Sura 3, Ayah 54) says that "Allah deceived them". The verb used there is مكر (makar) which translates to "cunning, wiliness, deceit, guile", but which Muslims falsely translate as "Allah planned" to minimize the insidious nature of the Judeo-Islamic god.

Furthermore, Islam's ties to rabbinism in its early history is firmly established by the evidence. Muhammad had a "pact" with the Jews of the Banu Qurayzah which they eventually violated, prompting Muhammad to effectively massacre the whole tribe. The Qur'an itself has references to Talmudic traditions such as in Qur'an 5:31-32, Qur'an 21:51-70 (Abraham smashing the idols), and Qur'an 28:76. In fact, one of the earliest historical sources referencing Muhammad and his religion explicitly discusses this relationship in some detail. In Sebeos the Priest's "A History of Heraclius", he says the following:

As the comment on Wikipedia states: "This section describes how Mahmed first established a community comprising Ishmaelites and Jews based on their common descent from Abraham; the Arabs via Ishmael, and the Jews via Isaac." For context, you can read about the Jewish revolt against Heraclius which lead to their exile and subsequent cajoling of the pagan Arabs to work towards their "Zionist" ambitions. This was quite effective as it resulted in the capture of Jerusalem and the building of the Dome on the Rock a few decades after Sebeos wrote his account.

TL;DR - The Islamic counterfeit docetic Jesus called Eesa is in fact Esau, the brother of Jacob, who in rabbinic literature represents the enemies of the Jews and is associated by them with the real Jesus of the Gospels. Esau being the name for Jesus is confirmed by Ahmed Deedat.
I wonder (and this is in line with what I have been wondering)...

Islam uses the same characters (plus of minus a few) to the Bible, yet the actual stories and message are very different indeed. Could the confusion between YHVH in the Bible and Allah in the Qur’an under the word “God” in fact turn out to be a major Jingle/Jangle fallacy?

 






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Islam uses the same characters (plus of minus a few) to the Bible, yet the actual stories and message are very different indeed. Could the confusion between YHVH in the Bible and Allah in the Qur’an under the word “God” in fact turn out to be a major Jingle/Jangle fallacy?
I think that's the case. The Qur'an refers to people and circumstances recorded in the traditions of other religions, sometimes with subtle differences, but oftentimes it proposes vast contradictions of the histories in order to suit its own purposes. That is why when it is set apart from them it becomes a confusing mess. In the case of Eesa for example, the majority of accounts deal with his childhood because the stories are arbitrarily lifted from Christian infancy literature and thus have no apparent theological purpose. However, when the Qur'an does make its own theological speculations, it turns Jesus into some kind of docetic phantom who is never situated in any particular time or place but is instead a disembodied voice. In the Qur'an, Jesus is not a historical person but some imperceptible ideal of the Messiah, and the same goes for the accompanying cast of characters such as John the Forerunner. Basically, there is no reason to actually care about them because they are just gimmicks, or juvenile caricatures of real people.
 






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@recure
your post is a load of crap lol.

1) muslims say 'eesa' therefore derpedy antichrist
???
what? please have some goddamn shame you raving lunatic.

'therefore eesa = esau'
erm no.

Isa is derived from the greek Iesous.

From wiki
Also, the classical theologians Clement of Alexandria and Cyril of Jerusalem both stated that the Greek name Iesous was allegedly Jesus' original name itself and that the name was not a transliteration of a Hebrew form.[1]

you just got SPANKED


2) so esau is now the antichrist?

3) 'the tafseer of ibn abbas'
it wasnt even ibn abbas. it was attributed to him by other people..and ive covered this topic.
the crucifixion is something i believe in...
the verse 4:157 can easily be understood in light of what Jesus taught about the body vs the spirit in contrast with the sadducee jewish beliefs.
the verse addresses the sadducee perspective and challenges it
'they said in boast we killed Christ'
'they neither killed him nor crucified him BUT SO IT WAS MADE TO APPEAR TO THEM'
ie they were looking at the flesh and thinking 'we've killed Jesus' (which directly implies it was the body of Jesus).
in fact if you read the book of Wisdom chapter 1-3 this same thing is written (pre-Jesus), the exact thing ive just said is what was told would happen. They would put him to death but he would only appear dead to those who are blind concerning human nature.
it explains that true death is a spiritual death (as in to be bound to hades according to the extent of your attachments to the physical world). A martyr in islam is not dead but living.

you are trying to attack islam based on dogsh1t arguments and only the dogsh1t variety of xtian on here is celebrating your dogsh1t posts.

this forum is an embarassment to me i cant believe im still responding to low class people like you.
 






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I think that's the case. The Qur'an refers to people and circumstances recorded in the traditions of other religions, sometimes with subtle differences, but oftentimes it proposes vast contradictions of the histories in order to suit its own purposes. That is why when it is set apart from them it becomes a confusing mess. In the case of Eesa for example, the majority of accounts deal with his childhood because the stories are arbitrarily lifted from Christian infancy literature and thus have no apparent theological purpose. However, when the Qur'an does make its own theological speculations, it turns Jesus into some kind of docetic phantom who is never situated in any particular time or place but is instead a disembodied voice. In the Qur'an, Jesus is not a historical person but some imperceptible ideal of the Messiah, and the same goes for the accompanying cast of characters such as John the Forerunner. Basically, there is no reason to actually care about them because they are just gimmicks, or juvenile caricatures of real people.
i know none of the christians on here are really 'believers' in anything since everything you believe in and state is built on blatant lies. you guys just lie to yourselves both about your own beliefs aswell as islam. The only reason you guys join this forum is to diss islam out of nothing but contempt. it must suck to be you.


We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87)

Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)."
(سورة آل عمران, Aal-i-Imraan, Chapter #3, Verse #84)

And in their footsteps We sent jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
(سورة المائدة, Al-Maaida, Chapter #5, Verse #46)

Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of Allah; but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors.
(سورة الحديد, Al-Hadid, Chapter #57, Verse #27)



When (jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!
(سورة الزخرف, Az-Zukhruf, Chapter #43, Verse #57)

^^
context
the arab pagans used to worship the jinns and angels (who they held as deities or extentions of God in a panthiestic sense). When they would boast about the supposed miracles of their 'dieties', Mohammad with give them the example of Jesus.

Try to picture that..
this guy was standing upto pagans by giving them the example of Jesus eg 'well, Jesus did better than that'
and as a consequence the pagan arabs hated both islam and christianity and saw the apparent failure of the roman/christian world as a diss at Mohammad.
When the sassanids and jews defeated the byzantines, this led to Surah ar-Rum (The Romans).
it's ironic it's islam your dissing given how Jesus was the stand out example MOHAMMED was using to counter polythiests.


And (jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
(سورة الزخرف, Az-Zukhruf, Chapter #43, Verse #61)



'he not da historical figure doe, he just a phantom'
you low class imbecile.
 






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I wonder (and this is in line with what I have been wondering)...

Islam uses the same characters (plus of minus a few) to the Bible, yet the actual stories and message are very different indeed. Could the confusion between YHVH in the Bible and Allah in the Qur’an under the word “God” in fact turn out to be a major Jingle/Jangle fallacy?

remember when you used to blag it about 'the real mecca was in petra'?
you'd post videos from that guy dressed in arab garb in order to try and legitimise your low class opinions..


srsly dressed in arab garb lmfao
it is actually embarassing.
there isnt another religious group on this level of pathetic.


the funny thing is that ISRAELIS found the 'earliest dated mosque' and it happened to point to the city of Mecca.


so what did you do? did you once openly accept 'i was wrong?' EVER mention it again?
nope..

if i was saying shit on this forum and then found i was wrong on a matter, id own upto it.
 






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remember when you used to blag it about 'the real mecca was in petra'?
you'd post videos from that guy dressed in arab garb in order to try and legitimise your low class opinions..
Hi @AspiringSoul

I believe you refer to Al Fadi from CIRA International? I think he wears Arab dress because he is an Arab (!). He is a Saudi ex-muslim


As far as the information on early Islamic Qiblas, Al Fadi was featuring the work of Dan Gibson.


As to the class of opinions being expressed, they are better discovered through review and analysis than by identity politics.

In his book “Early Islamic Qublas”, the following description gives an idea of what his work covers:-

“New archeological evidence clearly demonstrates that early Islamic mosques were not erroneously oriented as previously thought. Using modern technology and satellite imaging, Canadian historian Dan Gibson has discovered that early Islamic mosques were oriented to four different places. And they are not where Islam expects them to be.
For the first time in history Dan Gibson has undertaken a comprehensive survey of Islamic mosques from the first two centuries of Islam. Using this data, Gibson demonstrates that Muhammad and the first four caliphs all prayed towards a different place! This location was also the focus of their pilgrimage. Gibson believes that Muslims are disobeying their prophet by focusing their prayers on a Black Stone in Saudi Arabia, when the Quran commands them to face the original location.
This book contains all of the data behind the documentary film The Sacred City. Viewers of this film can now check the background data for themselves and investigate further arguments that were not included in the film. Complete with hundreds of images, charts, maps and footnotes, this volume clearly challenges traditionally held Islamic history.”
 






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'he not da historical figure doe, he just a phantom'
you low class imbecile.
I think the point is that the Jesus as presented in the Gospels has more supportive historical evidence than the Jesus of the Qur’an.


“If you ask people about the existence of Christ, they usually fall into one of three camps: the faithful who sing his praises, the atheists who consider him a mythological creation, and the skeptics who fall somewhere in between.

But regardless of your personal feelings about Jesus of Nazareth, little doubt remains that he was a real person who once walked this earth. A wealth of historical accounts exist to assure us of this—with many of the most compelling coming from nonbelievers themselves.

Hostile Witnesses is an examination of the best historical evidence for Christ’s existence, particularly the evidence provided to us by the most unexpected of sources. From the pagans of ancient Rome, to Jewish and Muslim writings, these accounts create a solid fact-based history of Jesus’s life on earth…one that believers and nonbelievers will find equally compelling.”
 






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Hi @AspiringSoul

I believe you refer to Al Fadi from CIRA International? I think he wears Arab dress because he is an Arab (!). He is a Saudi ex-muslim


As far as the information on early Islamic Qiblas, Al Fadi was featuring the work of Dan Gibson.


As to the class of opinions being expressed, they are better discovered through review and analysis than by identity politics.

In his book “Early Islamic Qublas”, the following description gives an idea of what his work covers:-

“New archeological evidence clearly demonstrates that early Islamic mosques were not erroneously oriented as previously thought. Using modern technology and satellite imaging, Canadian historian Dan Gibson has discovered that early Islamic mosques were oriented to four different places. And they are not where Islam expects them to be.
For the first time in history Dan Gibson has undertaken a comprehensive survey of Islamic mosques from the first two centuries of Islam. Using this data, Gibson demonstrates that Muhammad and the first four caliphs all prayed towards a different place! This location was also the focus of their pilgrimage. Gibson believes that Muslims are disobeying their prophet by focusing their prayers on a Black Stone in Saudi Arabia, when the Quran commands them to face the original location.
This book contains all of the data behind the documentary film The Sacred City. Viewers of this film can now check the background data for themselves and investigate further arguments that were not included in the film. Complete with hundreds of images, charts, maps and footnotes, this volume clearly challenges traditionally held Islamic history.”

so not content with ruling out one blatant lie, you have to repeat more
why are you christians so dishonest?



Fadi grew up in the Madrassas or Islamic schools, which thousands of Muslims attend today.

There, he says many were taught an ideology that ISIS members claim is the true form of Islam. "I was [a] very indoctrinated Muslim," he says. "All of my teachings... at the Madrassas, in the Mosque were basically similar to those kinds of ideology ... meaning that you always aspire to have a caliphate. You have one authority, one political and religious authority."


it's obv the man is just feeding you with choice words and wearing arab garb
only stupid christians fall for this shit.

1) if such was the case, the wahabis would have a caliphate not a king. The wahabis don't believe a caliphate is necessary.
2) saudis dont go to 'madrassas' though it is an arabic word, it isnt used in saudi.
it was adopted in the middle ages in persia/central asia and the indian subcontinent where it was developed



yet again ive exposed you for lying.
keep on lying you fake christian.
 






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