What is spirituality?

Alanantic

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I'm not considering myself religious but let's suppose that being Christian make me religious I'd like to highlight some of the thing you said


Question is why we accept an Authority rather than our own counsel when it comes to Spirituality? Simply because we're relying on the author of life's ability to guide us for our own good as He's himself a fully spiritual being who made our spiritual essence thus is in the known of our spiritual needs. We trust Him as He's leading us to the whole truth of the spiritual realm He made.


Religion is Obedience, that's right but obedience to a moral authority isn't a bad thing if it's the right thing to do. In comparison, would you say obeying laws in society is wrong and criminals are right to question the moral order?



I find the expression 'Blind Faith' faulty : the way i see it, you only have faith when you know you can rely on a truth. And when the truth you hold onto is rational for you, it makes sense that you have faith in the premises that comes with it.
For example when you see a complex algorithm on a computer we're not doubting it was designed/coded by a person who exist independently of that computer although you may ignore said person.
Well when it comes to God, we've rationalized that the algorithm of Life that is our DNA, genes ect was made/coded by an Intelligent maker existing outside of this material reality designed by Him as it couldn't have come to existence by itself. I know some just want to believe it can (without proofs so that means they have a materialistic belief they refuse to admit) or they talk about ETs instead because it may be unpleasant to admit God is behind all that. At the end of the day, scientists of the past were somewhat religious and it's possible to see their point of view when we dig a little bit. For them as for me, it is just reasonnable faith.


The issue here is that your version of Spirituality is void of the notion of Objective Truth. When you believe there is an objective truth, you cant accept 'lesser truths' or 'semi-lies' as part of the whole Truth.
If you trust Jesus saying He is the way, the truth and the life indeed it's very exclusive because you have to deal with the idea that not every path leads to God.


It's strange when you say Spirituality is logical conclusions and at the same time, you say it's questionning and staying 'Open minded'. A logical conclusion leads you to accept an objective/absolute truth which exclude any other propositions. If you keep questionning your Spirituality you can't say you have logical conclusions you can rely on, it's contradictory.
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32


In reality, most religions follow men rather than God but Spirituality without God that's basically making yourself your own god. So you imagine the spiritual realm as a sandbox in which you experiment stuff without knowing if it's safe or good for you while it well may be harmful and dangerous, you ignore what doors you're opening.


Religion has strict codes, various spirituality use mantras. Jesus told us that none of that leads to salvation though.



Pharisees were unhappy that Jesus didn't observed the sabbath. God expect discipline but Jesus taught us it's far from being compulsory
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath" Mark 2:27


Religion as it exist today is under the guidance of men and because a large group follow certain practices or nomalized some men made traditions, we assume it's what God commanded yet that's not how it should be. God seek an individual fellowship with those who rely on Him.

'But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.' Matthew 6:6
People believe what they want to believe.
 

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People believe what they want to believe.


For sure people want to choose what to believe, but seeking and following the truth can't have the same value as going after deception.
Like when you're proposed two paths, the path of life and the path of death would you say both paths are equivalent or you'd rather choose the wise one?

"I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live"
Deuteronomy 30:19

I've met multiple persons having their own vision of spirituality and there was everytime this belief that if they just followed what they desire the most, somehow it would ultimately lead them to the right path and/or attract good things to their life.
But is it wise to say the right path and the truth can only be what I prefer or give credence though?
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
Jeremiah 17:9

I believe God taught us the importance of prayer because we're always in need of guidance. It's true for every facet of human life that we often need to be helped and even more so in a vital topic such as spirituality.
 

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"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"
Jeremiah 17:9
"Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart -- and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains ... an unuprooted small corner of evil." -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
 
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Sort of breaking my own rule for the thread, but at least I'm not quoting the bible, and it is relevant :). An excerpt from the article below:

"Giving to the poor is not about throwing money at them so they’ll go away and we’ll feel better. It is about entering into the life and needs of another person, sharing the burden, and giving what we can—whether that’s a loan or a gift, practical help, counsel, friendship, a coat, a pair of shoes, a job, or a word of encouragement."

The Spiritual Discipline of Giving to the Poor
 

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In Christ man is perfected. He came to destroy the works of the devil and undo what had happened at the fall when the nature of man had become corrupted by the sin code. People think of sin as an act, but sin is also a virus or spiritual disease that has spread into all men. Where do evil lusts come from? Where does hatred come from? Bitterness? Its like an infection that has taken hold of us .

We are most often referred to as Christians, but God also calls us luminaries and priests, the saints. The spiritual man is one who has been freed and delivered from the power of sin that he may walk in true holiness, purity, righteousness, and light. We reflect the image of God on earth. This is accomplished in Christ through the power and working of the holy spirit when God regenerates the human heart.
 

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Religion Vs Spirituality-Difference

Religion is Accepting Authority, Spirituality is Freedom of Choice
Religion is Obedience, Spirituality is Questioning
Religion is Blind Faith, Spirituality is Rationalism
Religion is for Close Minded, Spirituality is for Open Minded
Religion is Organized Belief, Spirituality is Logical Conclusions
Religions follow Designated Gods, Spirituality need not
Religion has strict codes, Spirituality has self made codes
Religion Forces people, Spirituality is self Discipline
Religion has Group Identity, Spirituality is Individuality
Religion suits all, Spirituality suits only Evolved
Religion is Single System, Spirituality Multi System derived
Religious people are Spiritual, Spiritual people need not be Religious
Religion is Religion, Spirituality is beyond all Religions
Religions may create Divisions, Spirituality is for one and all
Not all religions accept other religions, Spirituality embraces all
By birth one takes up a Religion; By birth you don't take up Spirituality
 
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