What is spirituality?

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You posted the exact same thing, pretty much this time last year right here: https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/what-is-spirituality.4271/page-2#post-194888. If you have nothing new to add, or furthering the online conversation, why bother posting? However, feel free to bump my thread by continuing to do so.
You just don't get it...You must be born again...Christ said you Must. Just as I and many others were. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit, you are just acting Christianity from a carnal reasoning. Do you not believe Christ?
 






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You just don't get it...You must be born again...Christ said you Must. Just as I and many others were. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit, you are just acting Christianity from a carnal reasoning. Do you not believe Christ?
Congrats, Douglas. You're the first person I'm putting on ignore.

Later, dude!
 






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If a particular teacher turns out to be not so good, it really doesn't matter—his or her incomplete or erroneous teachings will slowly fade away, and all that will be left will be the solid knowledge that, by its own intrinsic virtue, has remained consistent for generations.
Salam, infact this seems not right. Teacher is like role model, not only you learn by hearing from him/her but firstly you learn from his/her acts. Hmm has trinity fade away slowly, this corrupt teaching has... or priests and priestess not having marriage at least they can marry to each other and even rise proper children and be role models. In short historically the quote does not have the ability to be proven.
 






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Interesting read:

Relationship Between Spirituality and Science
The relationship between spirituality and science is not necessarily contentious but has certainly had its difficulties.

Scientifically tracking emotions can be like searching for meaning in the shapes we see in the clouds. While the experience of emotions varies from person to person, the experience of transcendent emotions can be seen as more universal and is connected to spirituality.

Self-transcendent emotions connect us all through prosocial behavior (Stellar, et al., 2017). Emotions like gratitude, compassion, and awe connect us all through their prosocial capacity. Transcendent emotions promote behaviors that connect human beings and stabilize prosocial connection (Haidt, 2003).

Self-transcendent emotions:
  • compassion
  • awe
  • gratitude
  • appreciation
  • inspiration
  • admiration
  • elevation
  • love
These emotions have a particular capability of bonding individuals together. They are linked with higher levels of spirituality. As self-transcendent emotions are others-focused, more meaningful, purpose-filled interactions are possible.

Many positive psychology interventions are grounded in ancient religious and spiritual teachings, which are not typically included in treatment for psychopathology. There are empirically validated interventions for the following four virtues: hope, gratitude, forgiveness, and self-compassion (Rye, M.S. et al., n.d.).

By exploring the psychological theory behind these four virtues, science and spirituality can collectively serve more people.

The psychology of hope began in the 1950s. The explanation of hope was, at that time, focused on one’s goal attainment. In positive psychology, it has expanded to explain the process of goal attainment better.

The theory includes both pathways to goal attainment and agency. Hopeful thought reflects the belief that one can find pathways to desired goals and become motivated to use those pathways (Snyder, C.R. et al., 1991). Hope, by this definition, drives the emotions and wellbeing of human beings.

Depending on one’s world view, hope interventions can help find pathways to connect with the divine and improve one’s wellbeing. It will differ by religion and one’s understanding of the role of the divine in the agency of hope. Interventions that respect the individual’s worldview will clearly be more accepted and helpful.

The psychology of gratitude is conceptualized as a higher emotion connected to morality. Gratitude has been described in science as a prosocial moral emotion that serves:

a) As a moral barometer because it indicates when an interpersonal interaction is perceived as beneficial and

b) One’s power is limited (McCullough & Tsang, 2004).

The benefits of the practice of gratitude are far-reaching, regardless of religious ideation.

The psychology of forgiveness has various definitions. The broadest definition is an adaptive human instinct activated in certain social situations (McCullough, 2008). By this definition, forgiveness does not require a future relationship with someone who has wronged you. It frees you instead of the instinct for vengeance.

The psychology of self-compassion has been empirically backed through the work of Kristin Neff. Self-compassion is conceptualized in three components (Neff, 2003):

  1. Expressing kindness toward oneself and viewing one’s shortcomings with a non-judgemental attitude.

  2. Connecting one’s experience of suffering with that of the collective human experience.

  3. Become mindful of suffering without becoming attached or making it a part of one’s identity.
These four virtues of hope, gratitude, forgiveness, and self-compassion are found in all areas of religion in various ways. Spirituality and science overlap in foundational ways to allow for the human experience to bond us in a collective experience. Interventions that value the unique world view of each individual will be more impactful, as they allow for individual belief systems to be enhanced by science.


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Salam, infact this seems not right. Teacher is like role model, not only you learn by hearing from him/her but firstly you learn from his/her acts. Hmm has trinity fade away slowly, this corrupt teaching has... or priests and priestess not having marriage at least they can marry to each other and even rise proper children and be role models. In short historically the quote does not have the ability to be proven.
I'm not really sure what you're stating here. Could you please clarify?
 






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Interesting read:

Relationship Between Spirituality and Science
The relationship between spirituality and science is not necessarily contentious but has certainly had its difficulties.

Scientifically tracking emotions can be like searching for meaning in the shapes we see in the clouds. While the experience of emotions varies from person to person, the experience of transcendent emotions can be seen as more universal and is connected to spirituality.

Self-transcendent emotions connect us all through prosocial behavior (Stellar, et al., 2017). Emotions like gratitude, compassion, and awe connect us all through their prosocial capacity. Transcendent emotions promote behaviors that connect human beings and stabilize prosocial connection (Haidt, 2003).

Self-transcendent emotions:
  • compassion
  • awe
  • gratitude
  • appreciation
  • inspiration
  • admiration
  • elevation
  • love
These emotions have a particular capability of bonding individuals together. They are linked with higher levels of spirituality. As self-transcendent emotions are others-focused, more meaningful, purpose-filled interactions are possible.

Many positive psychology interventions are grounded in ancient religious and spiritual teachings, which are not typically included in treatment for psychopathology. There are empirically validated interventions for the following four virtues: hope, gratitude, forgiveness, and self-compassion (Rye, M.S. et al., n.d.).

By exploring the psychological theory behind these four virtues, science and spirituality can collectively serve more people.

The psychology of hope began in the 1950s. The explanation of hope was, at that time, focused on one’s goal attainment. In positive psychology, it has expanded to explain the process of goal attainment better.

The theory includes both pathways to goal attainment and agency. Hopeful thought reflects the belief that one can find pathways to desired goals and become motivated to use those pathways (Snyder, C.R. et al., 1991). Hope, by this definition, drives the emotions and wellbeing of human beings.

Depending on one’s world view, hope interventions can help find pathways to connect with the divine and improve one’s wellbeing. It will differ by religion and one’s understanding of the role of the divine in the agency of hope. Interventions that respect the individual’s worldview will clearly be more accepted and helpful.

The psychology of gratitude is conceptualized as a higher emotion connected to morality. Gratitude has been described in science as a prosocial moral emotion that serves:

a) As a moral barometer because it indicates when an interpersonal interaction is perceived as beneficial and

b) One’s power is limited (McCullough & Tsang, 2004).

The benefits of the practice of gratitude are far-reaching, regardless of religious ideation.

The psychology of forgiveness has various definitions. The broadest definition is an adaptive human instinct activated in certain social situations (McCullough, 2008). By this definition, forgiveness does not require a future relationship with someone who has wronged you. It frees you instead of the instinct for vengeance.

The psychology of self-compassion has been empirically backed through the work of Kristin Neff. Self-compassion is conceptualized in three components (Neff, 2003):

  1. Expressing kindness toward oneself and viewing one’s shortcomings with a non-judgemental attitude.

  2. Connecting one’s experience of suffering with that of the collective human experience.

  3. Become mindful of suffering without becoming attached or making it a part of one’s identity.
These four virtues of hope, gratitude, forgiveness, and self-compassion are found in all areas of religion in various ways. Spirituality and science overlap in foundational ways to allow for the human experience to bond us in a collective experience. Interventions that value the unique world view of each individual will be more impactful, as they allow for individual belief systems to be enhanced by science.


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Thanks for your post. It's certainly a worthwhile subject to discuss.

There's really no separation between true science and true spirituality, because both are founded upon a genuine and sincere search for the truth, whatever it may be.

Unfortunately, we are living in a world filled with pseudo-science and pseudo-spirituality, both of which are money-driven industries.

A good example of the pseudo-science playing out right now is western medicine, where they created a boogeyman that doesn't exist (contagious germs/viruses) so they could sell us the supposed cure that nobody needs (drugs/chemicals/vaccines and radiation). And they've been selling that snake oil for so long that virtually everyone feels addicted to it.


The same goes for organized religion, which globally is a multi-trillion dollar a year industry. In the U.S. alone, it's bigger than Google and Apple combined according to a 2016 article in the Guardian, and that's likely a conservative estimate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/15/us-religion-worth-1-trillion-study-economy-apple-google

How could any of that possibly square with Christ's true statement that we cannot serve God and materialism (mammon)? And doesn't that by itself prove how anti-spiritual the top two “healing” industries really are?

Spirituality MUST begin by addressing who and what we are, why we are here and what we really should be doing with every precious moment that remains.

We are, in fact, spiritual-energy Beings of Light (spirit-Beings/Souls), who are temporarily having an Earthly experience, incarnated inside one of these human-animal bodies. The spirit-Being is connected to our Creator, and the human body, with all of its animal urges and selfish instincts, is connected to Satan (the Opposer).

Every single thought that comes into our minds is from one of those two sources. It's either from our Creator, showing or guiding us toward the truth, toward doing what's just and right, and toward the optimum path to love and serve our fellow spiritual-Beings. Or it's from Satan, using our egos to tempt us with some selfish, worldly pleasure, which usually benefits no one, and makes the world a more selfish, evil place in the process.

The difficulty is we've been listening to that seductive voice for so long that we believe it to be us, instead of recognizing that it is Satan, pulling the puppet strings on our own egos, to get us to do his bidding, instead of what our Creator would have us do: love one another (spiritually) as much or more than we love ourselves.

There is a film that does a nice job of introducing the spiritual concept of the ego “self”: the 2005 film “Revolver”. If you haven't seen it, it's well worth the watch. And there are some short, relevant video clips that can be shared from it later.

Hopefully this is enough to get a productive discussion on this subject started.
 






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Personally I think spirituality is closer to carnality than what is realized, because there is no objectivity in anything spiritual so to me the idea and definition and end of it all seems infinite and left to the discretion of the seeker . There is no accountability and in this concept of no accountability it also welcomes in mans carnality which will always be his governing state of existence in his fallen condition. Men suppress the truth of God and the idea of moral absolutes in their unrighteousness.
 






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Personally I think spirituality is closer to carnality than what is realized, because there is no objectivity in anything spiritual so to me the idea and definition and end of it all seems infinite and left to the discretion of the seeker . There is no accountability and in this concept of no accountability it also welcomes in mans carnality which will always be his governing state of existence in his fallen condition. Men suppress the truth of God and the idea of moral absolutes in their unrighteousness.
That seems like a sad way to live. However, I appreciate your input and perspective.
 






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Truthfully I think the world would be happier if everyone acknowledge moral absolutes.
 






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The reason that doesn't happen is because most have bought into Satan's LIE that they are "only human after all" instead of realizing they are a spiritual-Being.

Our Creator's Law is THE absolute final word on morality, as it defines what is right and wrong in His Eyes. That's why it is completely foreign to humans, because it was created for spiritual-Beings by The Supreme Spiritual-Being.

John 4:23-24
4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and in Truth.
 






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I like these excerpts:

"When you experience God, you discover that God is not a physical being who lives somewhere, who is here but not there, or there but not here. God is the subtlest essence of everything. God is found within. That is why all religions have traditions of repetitive prayers, or repetitive movements, or mantras, or breathing exercises. The purpose of all of these is to slow down the mind. The closer you get to your center, the closer you get to God. But most of us, scientists and even clergy, have never been relaxed enough, indwelling enough, have never slowed our minds down enough, to experience the Divine essence within. We are too busy battling each other over who believes in the 'right' God, who is doing the 'right' thing, etc. All our desires, including the desire to win arguments, moves our attention toward the physical world around us and away from the spiritual world within us. Not that there is anything wrong with that. We all are here to accomplish something. But imagine a world where people were able to pursue their goals, but also, to, on a regular bases, go within to reaffirm the understanding that the Divine essence is within all of us. If that were the case, there would be no need for endless discussions about right and wrong, about how to treat our children, our friends, our competitors. It would all become automatically clear when we realize the true preciousness of every life including our own."...

..."I know that materialists think that they have evolved past the silly superstitions and dangerous beliefs of religion, that has caused so much fear and suffering. But religion is not evil because it is too spiritual. It is evil because it is too material. It materializes God into something that exists apart from you, that you can either believe in (good) or not (bad). But if God permeates everything, then God is at the center of everything, and is not separate from you. In fact the more that you are able to get to the center of your self, the closer you get to God. God is not opposed to anything. Ultimately there is nothing that is not God. So at the center of your neighbors and relatives, of friends and strangers, is something that is unfathomably precious. Whether you believe that or not, imagine a world in which, not only everyone did believe that, but everyone practiced ways of actually experiencing that for themselves. What kind of a world would that be?"...

..."One final word about the highly lauded 'pursuit of pleasure.' I have no problem with pleasure, as long as it is not harming or diminishing in any way another being. My problem is with the 'pursuit.' The frantic pursuit of pleasure is based on the assumption that pleasure, if it is to be found, is located somewhere out there, outside of your self. What is missed in this outward fixation is the pleasure, not of pursuit, but of stillness. It is within, through meditation, prayer, spiritual exercise, that happiness is found at the core of your being. And that happiness spreads out so that you realize that pleasure and true joy exist, not necessarily somewhere else, but right there and with the people and the house and the neighborhood and the country that you are already in. "


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I like these excerpts:

"When you experience God, you discover that God is not a physical being who lives somewhere, who is here but not there, or there but not here. God is the subtlest essence of everything. God is found within. That is why all religions have traditions of repetitive prayers, or repetitive movements, or mantras, or breathing exercises. The purpose of all of these is to slow down the mind. The closer you get to your center, the closer you get to God. But most of us, scientists and even clergy, have never been relaxed enough, indwelling enough, have never slowed our minds down enough, to experience the Divine essence within. We are too busy battling each other over who believes in the 'right' God, who is doing the 'right' thing, etc. All our desires, including the desire to win arguments, moves our attention toward the physical world around us and away from the spiritual world within us. Not that there is anything wrong with that. We all are here to accomplish something. But imagine a world where people were able to pursue their goals, but also, to, on a regular bases, go within to reaffirm the understanding that the Divine essence is within all of us. If that were the case, there would be no need for endless discussions about right and wrong, about how to treat our children, our friends, our competitors. It would all become automatically clear when we realize the true preciousness of every life including our own."...

..."I know that materialists think that they have evolved past the silly superstitions and dangerous beliefs of religion, that has caused so much fear and suffering. But religion is not evil because it is too spiritual. It is evil because it is too material. It materializes God into something that exists apart from you, that you can either believe in (good) or not (bad). But if God permeates everything, then God is at the center of everything, and is not separate from you. In fact the more that you are able to get to the center of your self, the closer you get to God. God is not opposed to anything. Ultimately there is nothing that is not God. So at the center of your neighbors and relatives, of friends and strangers, is something that is unfathomably precious. Whether you believe that or not, imagine a world in which, not only everyone did believe that, but everyone practiced ways of actually experiencing that for themselves. What kind of a world would that be?"...

..."One final word about the highly lauded 'pursuit of pleasure.' I have no problem with pleasure, as long as it is not harming or diminishing in any way another being. My problem is with the 'pursuit.' The frantic pursuit of pleasure is based on the assumption that pleasure, if it is to be found, is located somewhere out there, outside of your self. What is missed in this outward fixation is the pleasure, not of pursuit, but of stillness. It is within, through meditation, prayer, spiritual exercise, that happiness is found at the core of your being. And that happiness spreads out so that you realize that pleasure and true joy exist, not necessarily somewhere else, but right there and with the people and the house and the neighborhood and the country that you are already in. "


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Psalm 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

Thomas 1:6-8
1:6 But The Kingdom is within you and it is without you.
1:7 If you will know yourselves, then you will be known and you will know that you are the sons of the Living Father.
1:8 But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty and you ARE poverty.

James 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and He will draw nigh to you. Cleanse [your] hands, [ye] sinners; and purify [your] hearts, [ye] double-minded.

Sura 6:162-164
6:162. Say: "Truly, my prayer and my (daily) service of "Self" sacrifice (Luke 9:23; 14:26-27), my life (of selflessness) and my death (to "Self"), are (all) for "I AM", the Cherisher of the Worlds:
6:163. No partner hath He: this am I commanded, and I am the first of those who bow to His Will.
6:164. Say: "Shall I seek for (my) Cherisher other than "I AM", when He is the Cherisher of all things (that exist)? Every soul (Being) draws the meed of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. Your goal in the end is towards "I AM": He will tell you the truth of the things about which ye disputed."
 






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spirituality is anything not physical. the wind is spiritual, the air u breathe is spiritual. etc etc
 






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I like this article so I thought I'd share. I've only listed the signs but have posted a link for the article's more in-depth analysis:

10 Signs of Spiritual Illness (and How to Heal Them)

Many illnesses have their roots in our spiritual wellbeing. A spiritual illness affects us physically, but to cure it, we may need to work on our spiritual health.

From a spiritual point of view, illness comes from an imbalance in our lives. It can often be a result of unhealthy beliefs we have picked up about the world, ourselves and other people. However, for true healing to occur, we cannot simply suppress the symptoms of illness with medication. Instead, we must look at the root cause of our spiritual illness.

We should, of course, seek medical attention for any illness that threatens our immediate health. However, many illnesses are spiritual in nature and can only be solved by deep emotional and spiritual work.

The following 10 signs may point to a spiritual illness:

1. Fear and anxiety
2. Resentment, anger, and blame
3. Guilt, shame, and remorse
4. Irritability and chronic negativity
5. Addictive Behaviors
6. Apathy and listlessness
7. Physical Symptoms
8. Emotional remoteness
9. Melancholy and lack of joy
10. Soul Loss


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. Fear and anxiety
2. Resentment, anger, and blame
3. Guilt, shame, and remorse
4. Irritability and chronic negativity
5. Addictive Behaviors
6. Apathy and listlessness
7. Physical Symptoms
8. Emotional remoteness
9. Melancholy and lack of joy
10. Soul Loss
Good list OM!
I would add envy, greed, acquisitiveness, and cruelty as well to that list ! Thanks!
Edit: Stinginess and arrogance as well!
 






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I realized that VC has this called this section “Religion and Spirituality”, however, I find spirituality is rarely discussed if not at all. Therefore, I thought it would be interesting to have a discussion regarding the topic.

While I’m not endorsing this individual, I find he describes one aspect of spirituality rather well:

The distinction between spirituality and religion, as I understand it, is as follows. A tradition of what many call “spirituality” is not founded by any one individual. That is to say, tradition doesn't" begin or end with an individual. And in the vast context of a living tradition, teachers are not as important as the tradition itself. Teachers contribute to the growth and development of the tradition, but they are not equivalent to the tradition. If a particular teacher turns out to be not so good, it really doesn't matter—his or her incomplete or erroneous teachings will slowly fade away, and all that will be left will be the solid knowledge that, by its own intrinsic virtue, has remained consistent for generations. That is what we mean when we talk about spirituality or tradition." (source)

In this video, beginning at 4:00, I think this man makes a poignant point:


In retrospect, I now understand how my parents and some of grade school teachers were so influential in my ongoing journey. At times, they served as my guides and at others, helped me form buttresses for my spiritual growth.

So I ask the question, what does spirituality mean to you?
I'd think it would be having a worldview that places primary importance on the role of spirit, over materiality. Being religious, in most cases, would also include such a worldview...but it's possible to hold such a worldview without having chosen a religion to act as an explanatory model for it. The opposite would also be possible... many people are religious, but prioritize matter over spirit. There's an evangelical protestant expression I heard once that would describe this, "to be lacking in spirit", which I interpreted as being insufficiently concerned with the intangible side of life.

That's not a dictionary definition or anything... just my personal view.
 






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I like these excerpts:

"When you experience God, you discover that God is not a physical being who lives somewhere, who is here but not there, or there but not here. God is the subtlest essence of everything. God is found within. That is why all religions have traditions of repetitive prayers, or repetitive movements, or mantras, or breathing exercises. The purpose of all of these is to slow down the mind. The closer you get to your center, the closer you get to God. But most of us, scientists and even clergy, have never been relaxed enough, indwelling enough, have never slowed our minds down enough, to experience the Divine essence within. We are too busy battling each other over who believes in the 'right' God, who is doing the 'right' thing, etc. All our desires, including the desire to win arguments, moves our attention toward the physical world around us and away from the spiritual world within us. Not that there is anything wrong with that. We all are here to accomplish something. But imagine a world where people were able to pursue their goals, but also, to, on a regular bases, go within to reaffirm the understanding that the Divine essence is within all of us. If that were the case, there would be no need for endless discussions about right and wrong, about how to treat our children, our friends, our competitors. It would all become automatically clear when we realize the true preciousness of every life including our own."...

..."I know that materialists think that they have evolved past the silly superstitions and dangerous beliefs of religion, that has caused so much fear and suffering. But religion is not evil because it is too spiritual. It is evil because it is too material. It materializes God into something that exists apart from you, that you can either believe in (good) or not (bad). But if God permeates everything, then God is at the center of everything, and is not separate from you. In fact the more that you are able to get to the center of your self, the closer you get to God. God is not opposed to anything. Ultimately there is nothing that is not God. So at the center of your neighbors and relatives, of friends and strangers, is something that is unfathomably precious. Whether you believe that or not, imagine a world in which, not only everyone did believe that, but everyone practiced ways of actually experiencing that for themselves. What kind of a world would that be?"...

..."One final word about the highly lauded 'pursuit of pleasure.' I have no problem with pleasure, as long as it is not harming or diminishing in any way another being. My problem is with the 'pursuit.' The frantic pursuit of pleasure is based on the assumption that pleasure, if it is to be found, is located somewhere out there, outside of your self. What is missed in this outward fixation is the pleasure, not of pursuit, but of stillness. It is within, through meditation, prayer, spiritual exercise, that happiness is found at the core of your being. And that happiness spreads out so that you realize that pleasure and true joy exist, not necessarily somewhere else, but right there and with the people and the house and the neighborhood and the country that you are already in. "


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Beatific!

I was literally going to dig up this thread tonight and here it is on the 1st page. I love synchronistic occurrences like that.

These quotes are a reminder of the purpose of religion- to cultivate spirituality!

Awakening spiritually brings a sense of mindfulness, an inner joy realizing the interconnectedness of all things. It's a balance between acknowledging our insignificance while embracing the overwhelming power of being. We're a microcosm of the great all and our emotions are intimately tied into this reality.

If a religion isn't producing a higher degree of compassion, understanding, and gratitude in the seeker we have to question why that is.
 






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Basically we read many atime that our efforts count for naught but I am of the opinion that many choices we make in life count and will count later if you believe in a hereafter.:)
I think spiritual people realize that we all have meaning and our efforts count. (God willing)

The BUTTERFLY Effect - Will Change your LIFE
sometimes we are just little hummingbirds:)
Be like a Hummingbird
 






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Spirituality is to be guided by spirits.

There are many spirits... but only one Holy spirit.
 






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