DesertRose
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It is not the institutionThis is what makes polygamy tricky.
it is the way people misuse it.....
kinda like any institution
the police force, banking.....
It is not the institutionThis is what makes polygamy tricky.
I agree, I blame the way people abuse it. That's why I don't agree with it because people don't usually do it correctlyIt is not the institution
it is the way people misuse it.....
kinda like any institution
the police force, banking.....
I would rather say that I agree with the wisdom behind it but that the people need an education otherwise they will be accountable on the Day of Judgement.That's why I don't agree with it because people don't usually do it correctly
read the following hadithISLAMIC RADICALS ADMIT TO MASONIC ORIGINS.
The radical faction of Islam, known as the Salafi, are a movement created through British intrigue and coordination with occult secret societies, toward fomenting a “Clash of Civilizations”. And though the West is largely unaware of them, they are almost entirely responsible for the extremism that Islam is mistakenly perceived for.
And...Sufism and the Kabbalah
Thoughts???
What's nonsensical about not all humans having to get married in their lives? Some men don't get married, some women don't get married. Marriage isn't a requirement in life, some people do other things in their lives. I never said the Earth revolves around America but I do live in America...The Earth doesn't revolve around America. It's completely nonsensical statements like this which give the rest of the world the impression that many Americans are "dumb".
17Wow! How old are you again?
(Meant as a compliment!)
Many of us come from societies that do not have welfare systems or governments to shoulder these responsibilities.
I didn't say marriage wasn't important for keeping a family together and having enough money to raise children. I'm saying that I don't think polygamy is necessary to do that... and if someone doesn't have children, then they don't need to get married.I'm glad someone figured it out. Mecca is a product of her environment and so it's not surprising she said what she did.
I see how it can help in those situations, but I don't think polyamory fixes the root issue that cause all of those problems for those people. If it helps them, then that's good but I hope it's not a long term fix.When we view things from a western mindset it's easy to dismiss how polygamy can help isolated communities. The truth is we're just up to ours in privilege and luxury we just don't have a clue how rotten things are for the vast majority of the world.
It's not supposed to fix root problems, issues within communities and cultures are far more complex than that. It's a short term solution for some who have no other option...I see how it can help in those situations, but I don't think polyamory fixes the root issue that cause all of those problems for those people. If it helps them, then that's good but I hope it's not a long term fix.
Yeah so if it helps them then that's good but it's sad that their situation is so bad that they have to resort to polygamy just to be able to survive and not live in poverty.It's not supposed to fix root problems, issues within communities and cultures are far more complex than that. It's a short term solution for some who have no other option...
@Serveto said the same thing here, that...I am beginning to think the divorce law really is a polygamy law. The marriages just do not legally exist at the same time.
I just want to add that divorcing and remarrying the same person, you know, Liz Taylor-Richard Burton style, is an abomination/detestable to God. Akin to incest (Deuteronomy 24:1-4, Jeremiah 3:1)Leaving aside the OT and
looking simply at existing
secular American divorce
laws and divorce rates, as @Kung Fu and others have pointed out, it seems to me that we already have a by now well established
system of at least
staggered polygamy. By
that I mean that, when one looks at divorce and
remarriage (by both and all sexes), we have a system of polygamy in which one has multiple husbands and wives, whichever applies, but, thus far,only consecutively, not concurrently. They are
married one at a time,
rather than all at once.
Why?divorcing and remarrying the same person is an abomination/detestable to God. Akin to incest
that reminds me of one of my fav monty python quotes.Why?
And it seems there aren't long periods of singledom in between. Some people can't stand their own company.I am beginning to think the divorce law really is a polygamy law. The marriages just do not legally exist at the same time.
Yes, but what you are saying is that men are the only one's given this option. If you feel attracted to another man, could you get another husband? So how is it realistic to say that polygamy is an option when it only applies to giving men the option of having sex with more than one women, while women have to accept that the man she is intimate with is permitted to have sex with other people.No one said we are animals.
PS Islam does encourage abstinence for youth until they have means to get married.
What I love about my religion is that it is realistic.
life long abstinence is a hardship and near impossible to keep up.
Having these urges is natural but is regulated in Islam.
Polygamy works for some people, it's odd to us but it really does help them escape poverty. Not in the western world though, most westernised Muslims don't entertain the idea and don't see it as a path for them.Can't understand how it is reasonable to include polygamy, but drinking a glass of a delicious red wine blend is somehow sin.
No matter what society you live in, polygamy creates the poverty you are suggesting it removes. If you have you have three wives and all three wives have three children, you have 13 people in your household with one breadwinner.Polygamy works for some people, it's odd to us but it really does help them escape poverty. Not in the western world though, most westernised Muslims don't entertain the idea and don't see it as a path for them.
It's an option for those who want it to protect any children which come from the marriage. Polygamy in theory is much more than sex but is abused by sex-crazed men who marry solely for their needs and can't or struggle to finance and build two families.
Consider this, if a man was having serious marital issues and was struggling to have kids or his wife wasn't being intimate, is it better for him to marry another woman (with the consent of his first wife) and fulfill his needs, or to cheat on her and have illegitimate kids which he can easily claim aren't his? It protects the woman and the kids as they are legally bound to be taken care of by him. In Islam a woman's income is solely hers and she can choose if she wants to keep her earnings or finance her home. The responsibility is with the man but again, there's no issues with both parties contributing to the home.
So whilst it's not for me, I believe it to be an option for those who want it. It's not mandatory, it's not encouraged, it's just regulated since Islam was revealed at a time where polygamy was rife. It doesn't make sense for God to outlaw it if it has been practiced since the dawn of time.
You're looking at from a western perspective. With all due respect, as a white woman living in America you literally have no idea about the poverty stricken women in villages across east Africa for instance, who can't marry as there aren't a high proportion of men, (women tend to outweigh women wherever you go), they're a burden on their families as they tend to come from very large families and they're of-age. I'm talking 18 yrs old and over.No matter what society you live in, polygamy creates the poverty you are suggesting it removes. If you have you have three wives and all three wives have three children, you have 13 people in your household with one breadwinner.
If you have one man and one wife who have three children and that one man makes money for his family, he doubles the amount of disposable income he has and the local economy benefits from this.
Polygamy is a nonwestern form of welfare and in the same way that a welfare system creates a welfare system; polygamy creates poverty and results in child labor to bring in more income for a house of 13 people.
If people rejected polygamy, they could increase their individual disposable income and the daughter of a father struggling would be able to make more money because the man with the one wife would have more money to buy rugs for his home.
Creating any restriction in the system of polygamy is just the same thing as saying that you know that men want to have sex with other women, but there is no birth control if these women get pregnant. Therefore, having sex with more than four women creates too much poverty for an economy to bear.
So regardless of the circumstance, to include a provision of polygamy doesn't demonstrate any sort of real wisdom. It is a complacent provision sympathizing with the sexual needs of men while the women are neglected in more ways than one. A woman can never get a second husband no matter how attractive she may find another man.
This does not mean that a woman should be able to marry another man if she is attracted to him. It just demonstrates that the point of origin in permitting polygamy is always and in every case oppressive to women. No matter how you package the idea, it is oppressive to women.
This alongside the assumption that it is a sin for someone who engages in manual labor to have a glass of wine after a long day for the analgesic effect. That does not make sense at all especially when alcohol has existed throughout ancient times even while polygamy has and in the past when there wasn't Tylenol, alcohol would provide relief from physical pains.
So to say that drinking alcohol was a sin is the same as saying that someone should live in pain without relief. Not to mention that people drank alcohol throughout history because it was clean and you could die from drinking dirty water. So how is polygamy reasonable, but alcohol is a sin if it were not based on the personal preferences of someone who called himself a prophet.