What Is Salafism?

Haich

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There are many non-Muslims that don't drink because they understand the destruction it causes. Just because you can handle your drink, it doesn't mean others can.

We need to really stop viewing everything so literally and understand how alcohol has ruined many lives globally.

Freshers at university drink themselves into oblivion and many young girls are prey to r*pe and abuse at nightclubs. If you google freshers parties in U.K. Universities you'll be surprised just how vile the shenanigans they get up to are. A combo of teenage ignorance and unlimited cheap alcohol is a terrible combo and this is why young people don't understand how to respect the opposite sex.

We equip them with the tools to destroy each other's dignity and worth during their teens. Yes have a boyfriend/girlfriend! Drink alcohol, go and party your socks off! You're allowing young and immature people to reign free on the streets and have 'fun', then you wonder why they're riddled with all sorts of issues as adults

Alcohol is an indulgent escapism which allows us to avoid the issues we have in life and the pressing questions about our existence the soul has. It's the devil's drink and he's deluded everyone into thinking as long as can control our intake, we're fine guys let's have fun!

It doesn't matter if alcohol has existed since forever, so has murder and r*pe. Doesn't make it right just because it's been around forever.
 

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This is why polygamy is oppressive. It is only an excuse given by men who have historically been able to overpower women economically because women have been caretakers of children and unable to work outside the home.
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_251_300/polygamy_in_islamic_law.htm
"The translation of the verse is as follows:
If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with them), then (marry) only one…. (Qur’an 4:3)

From this verse a number of facts are evident:
  1. That polygamy is neither mandatory, nor encouraged, but merely permitted.
  2. That the permission to practice polygamy is not associated with mere satisfaction of passion. It is rather associated with compassion toward widows and orphans, a matter that is confirmed by the atmosphere in which the verse was revealed.
  3. That even in such a situation, the permission is far more restricted than the normal practice which existed among the Arabs and other people at that time when many married as many as ten or more wives.
  4. That dealing justly with one’s wives is an obligation. This applies to housing, food, clothing, kind treatment. etc., for which the husband is fully responsible. If one is not sure of being able to deal justly with them, the Quran say: “then(marry) only one.” (Qur’an 4:3)
This verse, when combined with another verse in the same chapter, shows some discouragement of such plural marriages. The other verse plainly states:

“You are never able to be fair and just as between women even if it is your ardent desire…” (Qur’an 4: 129)

The requirement of justice rules out the fantasy that man can “own as any as he pleases.” It also rules out the concept of “secondary wife,” for all wives have exactly the same status and are entitled to identical rights and claims over their husband. It also implies, according to the Islamic Law, that should the husband fail to provide enough support for any of his wives, she can go to the court and ask for a divorce.
  1. The verse says “Marry,” not kidnap, buy, or seduce. What is “marriage” as understood in Islam? Marriage in Islam is a civil contract which is not valid unless both contracting parties consent to it. Thus no wife can be forced or “given” to a husband who is already married.
I is thus a free choice of both parties. As to the first wife:
  1. She may be barren or ill and see in polygamy a better solution than divorce.
  2. She may divorce him (unilaterally) if he is married to a second wife provided that the nuptial contract gives her the right of unilateral divorce (Ismah).
  3. She can go to court and ask for a divorce if there is evidence of mistreatment or injustice inflicted upon her.
But if polygamy is discouraged and loaded with such constraints, could it have been better if the Quran simply forbade it? To answer this question, we may have to raise another one:

4. CAN POLYGAMY BE A BETTER SOLUTION IN SOME CASES?

Scholars in the past and at present, Muslims and non-Muslims, have consistently pointed out such cases. The following are a few examples which are tied in with the general approach of Islam to individual and social problems.
  1. Individual cases:
1. A man who discovers that his wife is barren, and who at the same time instinctively aspires to have children and heirs.

In a situation as this, the man would either have to:

-Suffer the deprivation of fatherhood for life.

-Divorce his barren wife and get married to another woman who is not barren.

In many cases, neither solution can be considered as the best alternative. Polygamy would have the advantage of preserving the martial relationship without depriving the man of fathering children of his own.

2. A man whose wife becomes chronically ill would have one of possible alternatives:

-He may suppress his instinctive sexual needs for the rest of his life.

-He may divorce his sick wife at the time when she needs his compassion most, and get married to another woman, thus legally satisfying his instinctive needs.

-Or he could compromise by keeping his sick wife, and secretly take for himself one or more illicit sex partners.

Let us discuss these alternatives from the point of view of the Islamic teachings. The first solution is against human nature. Islam recognizes sex and sexual needs and provides for legitimate means for their satisfaction. The second solution is clearly less compassionate, especially where there is love between the two parties. Further more divorce is described by Prophet Muhammad (P) as the “permitted thing which is hated most by God.” The last solution is plainly against the Islamic teachings which forbid illicit sexual relations in any form.

To sum up, Islam being against immorality, hypocritical pretense of morality, and against divorce unless no better solution is available, provides for a better alternative which is consistent with human nature and with the preservation of pure and legitimate sex relationships. In a situation like this, it is doubtful that any solution would be better than polygamy, which is, after all, an optional solution.

b. Social cases
  1. Anthropologists tell us that among various tribes and societies, polygamy is a social and economic necessity. In some very poor areas, the infant morality is very high. Children on the other hand, are a source of additional labour for the earning capacity of the family. To have more children under such situations would require the practice of polygamy. It is by this very reason Christian missionaries in some African regions justified their permission to local people to practice polygamy without being excommunicated from the church. One researcher has even found, through his studies that women in such societies not only accept polygamy, but some of them even prefer this. (See for example Campbell, D., In the Heart of the Bantuland, Seeley, service and Co.,Ltd., London, 1922, p. 160, and Cory H., Sukuma Law and Customs, Oxford University Press, N.Y., 1953, p.52.)
  2. Aside from cases where women outnumber men, devastating wars, in the past and at present, have taken their roll mainly among men. The result is not simply more women who cannot find husbands, but even more widows who may aspire to a respectable family life. In such a situation, if polygamy is bad, the limitation on polygamy is even far worse.
Both unmarried women and widows are human beings. Unless their instinctive needs are legitimately satisfied, the temptation is great for corruption and immorality. But aside from the moral question these women are also exploited. They are used as tools for men’s pleasure, yet have no guarantees, no rights or security, financial or emotional. Should they become pregnant, it is their burden alone. But even if such women are ready to pay the price for this personally, society also suffers seriously from such situations. The increasing number of illegitimate children born today under conditions such as these provides a potential base for tomorrow’s maladjusted and even criminals. Further more it is inhuman, humiliating for those children to grow up without knowing who their fathers were and without enjoying a lean and normal family life.

One question remain:

5. WHY NOT POLYANDRY (PLURALITY OF HUSBANDS FOR THE SAME WOMAN)?
It is evident that the nature of women is physiologically and psychologically different from that of men. Psychologically speaking, the woman is monogamous by her very nature. Furthermore, in all cultures, new and old, the headship of the family, is normally man’s. One can imagine what would happen if the family had two or more heads. Furthermore, if the woman is married to more than one husband, which would be the father of her children? "

DR: we did not always have DNA and a child has a right to knowing who their father is.
 

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When you marry someone and consumate the marriage, you become 'one'. His family becomes your family. When you get divorced, remarry someone else, then return to him again, you are marrying family. Its a muddied situation. Hopefully, this Jewish proverb can explain a little bit...

When two divorced people marry, four people get into bed.
 

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After perusing this thread and choosing not to participate for varying reasons, I am left thinking the old VCF are back.
 

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After perusing this thread and choosing not to participate for varying reasons, I am left thinking the old VCF are back.
Methinks some people would prefer to fight Islam and not the elite Satanists.
Divide and rule works....
The societies have been taken over by the worst of the worst.
sigh....
silver lining..... teaching moments.....:D
 

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Is this really an Islamic issue specifically, though? You yourself brought up Mormonism, which does not make polygamy any different in my opinion. It does not follow the original example set by our Creator nor fall in line with the Christian teaching of the spiritual Union of Christ and His bride.
 

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After perusing this thread and choosing not to participate for varying reasons, I am left thinking the old VCF are back.
I am sorry to say this, Zone, but your snide and smug comments foment any situation that is controversial. Of course we should discuss these issues on a forum, everything is open for discussion here-and almost everything has been.
 

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The Zone is just stating a fact that the exchange of information has been more respectful of late and then not.
Is this really an Islamic issue specifically, though?
It is a human issue and an issue of being realistic:
CONCLUSION
It is now evident that the association of “polygamy” with Islam is not only unfair or biased but based on serious misunderstanding. Polygamy was practiced, often without limitation, in almost all cultures. It was sanctioned by various religions, and practiced both before Islam and for many centuries thereafter. It is presently practiced, though secretly, by the Mormons, (It is estimated that is Utah alone over 30,000 middle-class Mormon Americans secretly cling to the practice of plural marriage. The Mormon church accepted the principal of Plural Marriage as a revelation from God. It was widely adopted after Brigham Young led the Mormons into their “Promised Land”—the Territory of Utah, in 1847. In 1890, however, after polygamy was outlawed a Federal statue, Church funds and property were confiscated. This apparently led the Church to issue a manifesto banning plural marriage. Church President Wilford Woodruff later declared the manifesto had been divinely inspired. For a first-hand report on the practice of polygamy in the U.S.A. as late as 1967, see Ben Merson, “Husband with More than on Wife.” In Journal, June 1967,esp. p. 78) and it is allowed by Christian missionaries in Africa and other areas where polygamy is a social necessity.

It is both honest and accurate to say that it is Islam which regulated this practice, limited it, made it more humane, and insisted equal rights and status for all wives. What the Qur’anic decrees amount to, taken together, is a discouragement of polygamy unless necessity for it exists.



It is also evident that the general rule in Islam is monogamy and not polygamy. However, permission to practice limited polygamy is only consistent with Islam’s realistic view of the nature of man and woman and of the various social needs, problems, and culture variations.



The question is, however, far more than the inherent flexibility of Islam; it also is the frank and straightforward approach of Islam in dealing with practical problems. Rather than requiring hypocritical and superficial compliance, Islam delves deeper into the problems of individuals and societies, and provides for legitimate and clean solutions which are far more beneficial than would be the case if they were ignored. There is no doubt that the second wife legally married and treated kindly is better off than a mistress without any legal rights or security. There is no doubt also that the legitimate child of a polygamous father, born in the “full light of the day”, and who enjoys all the rights and privileges of a son or daughter, is far better off than the wanted or unwanted illegitimate child (especially if it is a girl).



It is fair also to say the polygamy may be harmful in many respects. Islam, however, does not regard polygamy as a substitute for monogamy. Realizing its disadvantages Islam allows it under strict conditions and when no better alternative is available. This is actually consistent with a general rule in Islamic Law, “The Lesser of two evils.” This means that if a harm is certain, and if there is no way to avert such harm unless some other harm is done, then it is better to cause the lesser harm in order to avoid the greater. It is like a captain who gets rid of the ship’s freight in order to save the lives of the sailors.



The vitality, flexibility, and far-sightedness of the teachings of Islam cannot possibly be attributed to any man or group of men, including Prophet Muhammad (P) himself. Its secret simply lies in its Divine Source, God Most high, who knows in entirety what human needs and problems are.

Man can reject the guidance of God, become his own god, and establish his own standards of morality. Ultimately, however, he may discover the mirage that alluded him. A few honest questions finally: What is the situation in countries which banned polygamy? Do they really enjoy sincere and faithful “monogamy?” What is the degree of cohesion of the family? Is there any significant number of mistresses, “Sweethearts”, and illegitimate children? How observant are married men and women of the strict “monogamous” relationship? Are infidelity and secret extramarital sexual relationships more moral than the legitimate, legally-protected husband-wife relationships, even under polygamy if there is a pressing need for it? Which of the two situations is best?

After all, Islam by its very nature, is a universal religion which is revealed by God guide people in all places and at all times.

The guidance can hardly be secured by avoiding issues and problems, which are real, even as they are relevant to human life on earth with its diversity. Hypocrisy, apology, or burying one’s head in the sand are hardly realistic means of achieving righteous human life. They are not effective in achieving moral upliftment either!
 

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I am sorry to say this, Zone, but your snide and smug comments foment any situation that is controversial. Of course we should discuss these issues on a forum, everything is open for discussion here-and almost everything has been.
Well, I was indeed doing a snide fly by post with no intent to come back to this thread in that I know where it leads.. But neither you nor Rose or anyone else knows how I feel about what is being discussed. In a sense though, your response is more than a little the pot calling the kettle black and snide for snide if you will.

Not to mention use of the word foment which you assumed I did thus swallowing the bait which was not actually there for you or anyone at all via my intent which you seemingly read all wrong.

It is not like I inferred that you not discuss this or any other issue. Still, tho, I refuse to comment on the subject itself nor be coaxed into the fray. .If I were to attempt to read into your comment which is silly, I would say it sounded a tad personal and was more of a blanket one not necessarily about this subject. In fact, you went from the north pole of my intent to the south pole of reading way too much into a sentence completely wrong.
fo·ment
ˌfōˈment,ˈfōˌment/
verb
  1. 1.
    instigate or stir up (an undesirable or violent sentiment or course of action).
    "they accused him of fomenting political unrest"
    synonyms: instigate, incite, provoke, agitate, excite, stir up, whip up, encourage, urge, fan the flames of
    "they were accused of fomenting civil unrest"
  2. 2.
    archaic
    bathe (a part of the body) with warm or medicated lotions.
Really? That is what you think I am doing? I could go for #2:)
 
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