What does the Koran actually say about prayer?

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There is no reference in the Holy Koran to the city of Mecca by name nor by implication. ALL references, in the Holy Koran, to the City of Peace refer to Jerusalem NOT to Mecca. The word Mecca does not mean the City of Peace, the word Jerusalem DOES mean City of Peace in Hebrew. . .

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
THE HOUSE OF GOD - KABA in Arabic


Sura 2:125 "Prostrate themselves therein" - the Temple site in Jerusalem (on Mt. Moriah - 2 Chronicles 3 v 1 - built by Solomon bin David - Sura 27:16).

People can NOT prostrate themselves inside the Kaba in Mecca. It is a black rock not a Temple or House of God and a rock is solid. It is impossible to prostrate oneself inside it. So this statement can NOT possibly refer to Mecca. It refers to Mt. Moriah in Jeru-salem (the City of Peace).

Sura 2:126 And remember Abraham (who was a Hebrew - NOT Jewish) said: "My Lord, make this a City (Jeru) of Peace (salem) - Jeru-salem means "City of Peace".

Sura 2:125 The House (of God) is the Station of Abraham where he offered Isaac in sacrifice (Mt. Moriah - Genesis 22 v 2) in the "City of Peace" - "Jerusalem".

Sura 2:144 Turn then thy face in the direction of the Holy Temple: wherever ye are turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book (Bible) know well that that is the Truth from their Lord. Of course they know to turn their faces to Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem because the Book - Bible tells them to do so - that is why all churches face Jerusalem - read Genesis 22:2-3, 14; 2 Chronicles 3:1 & 6:20-21; 1 kings 6:1-2, 11-14 and 1 kings 8:29-30 and Isaiah 56:7.

There is no reference in the Holy Koran to the city of Mecca by name nor by implication. ALL references, in the Holy Koran, to the City of Peace refer to Jerusalem NOT to Mecca. The word Mecca does not mean the City of Peace, the word Jerusalem DOES mean City of Peace in Hebrew.

Ishmael's mother, who was called Hagar, was an Egyptian and was the hand-maiden (servant) of Sarah who was Abraham's first and legitimate wife.

The well of Beer-lahai-roi, where Hagar went whilst pregnant with Ishmael when she ran away the first time, is between Kadesh-Barnea and Bered (South of Beersheba) on the route to Egypt, her home-land.

Sarah sent Hagar away with Ishmael and she naturally went towards Egypt her home-land NOT to Mecca. They went to Beer-sheba in Paran on the edge of the Negev desert, as is stated by God in the Book of Genesis that God gave to Moses.

On both occasions when Hagar left Abraham she went towards Egypt her home-land, which is quite a natural thing to do.

Hagar found Ishmael an Egyptian wife. They did not go to or live in Mecca. Mecca is more than 1000 miles from Mt. Moriah across desert and much too far away for Ishmael to hear of Abraham's death and be able to return in time to assist Isaac with Abraham's burial (Genesis 25:9).

The story about Mecca was made up by the Meccans to advertise and promote Mecca (in their advertising brochure - the Hadith) and is a complete fabrication. It has NOTHING to do with the Holy Koran. The Hadith contradicts God's Koran.

If people read the Bible they would know that they have to make the Pilgrimage (Haj) to Jerusalem not to Mecca and the Meccans would lose all the money they make from the Pilgrims.

The Meccans then had to discredit the Bible, to stop people from reading it and finding out the Truth, so they (Khadijah's cousin Waraquah according to the Vatican's archives) changed the name Isaac for the name Ishmael in Sura 2:125 and 2:127 and claim that the king James Bible is not the True Bible and that the True Bible no longer exists, so no-one can read it. All of which is a LIE and evil Meccan propaganda. Now people read the Hadith and its version of the Koran, instead of reading the Koran itself.

The Hadith has made it impossible for Moslems to understand the Koran's true meaning and to read the Bible and fulfill God's Covenant as God commands them to do in the Koran (Suras 16:91 and 5:8) and that is exactly what the Meccans wanted.

Mecca was an evil place when Mohammed Mustafa was born and the Meccans drove him and the TRUE KORAN out because it was about Jerusalem and would have ruined their pilgrimage-business to their black rock and idol-worship.

After Mohammed's death the Meccans changed the Koran and betrayed him and God.

Mecca has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Abraham; Ishmael; Isaac or God.

God tells people repeatedly in the Koran to read the Bible e.g. Sura 6:154-157). The Meccans then claim that the Almighty God has allowed the Book, that He commands people to read, to have been lost forever. That is not logical and is an insult to God.

Of course the TrueBible still exists as confirmed by God Himself in His Holy Koran (Sura 32:23) and the most accurate translation of The Bible in print is still the Authorised king James Bible in the old English, as confirmed by the "Dead Sea Scroll" of the Book of Isaiah (referred to in Sura 52:2-3) which in no way differs from the Book of Isaiah in the king James Bible.

Therefore the moslems are calling God a liar, which is a satanic thing to do. Satan called God a liar in the Garden of Eden and God condemned Adam and Eve for believing Satan's lies. These satanic lies are now being continued by the moslems when they contradict God by saying that the True Bible no longer exists, after God has told us in His Holy Koran - Sura 32:23 that:-

"We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE - the readers of this Koran - moslems): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel."


Source: THE HOUSE OF GOD - KABA in Arabic
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The well of Beer-lahai-roi, where Hagar went whilst pregnant with Ishmael when she ran away the first time, is between Kadesh-Barnea and Bered (South of Beersheba) on the route to Egypt, her home-land.

Sarah sent Hagar away with Ishmael and she naturally went towards Egypt her home-land NOT to Mecca. They went to Beer-sheba in Paran on the edge of the Negev desert, as is stated by God in the Book of Genesis that God gave to Moses.

On both occasions when Hagar left Abraham she went towards Egypt her home-land, which is quite a natural thing to do.
You have no evidence for that claim. Where is Paran?

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And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints; from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
[Deuteronomy 33:1-2]

We are going to show that this prophecy is in fact a reference to the three Abrahamic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This prophecy can be divided into two parts:

1. The mention of Sinai, Seir and Paran

2. The emergence of ten thousand saints and a law

We will now discuss each of these in detail:

1. The mention of Sinai, Seir and Paran

“The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran...”

Here one can see clearly that three locations are mentioned. Sinai is in Egypt, where Moses came from with a message from God, as is evident from the statement “the Lord came from Sinai”. Seir is an allusion to Palestine, as mount Seir was situated within the ancient kingdom of Edom, which was in Palestine. This is according to commentators of the Old Testament: “Seir is the mountain land of the Edomites to the east of Sinai” [104]. Palestine is where Jesus appeared with a call to God: “[the Lord] rose up from Seir”.

The big question is: which location is being referred to in the final part of the verse whereby God proclaims “he shined forth from mount Paran”? The Bible tells us that Paran is the very place where Ishmael dwelt: “While he (Ishmael) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt” [Genesis 21:21]. The dwelling place of Ishmael was none other than Arabia. It’s important to note that biblical geographers differ as to the exact location of Paran. However, they are unanimous that Paran is somewhere within Arabia. From Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible:

He dwelt in the wilderness of Paran – This is generally allowed to have been a part of the desert belonging to Arabia Petraea, in the vicinity of Mount Sinai; and this seems to be its uniform meaning in the sacred writings.

Strong’s Bible Dictionary also tells us that Paran is a desert of Arabia:

H6290 pâ’rân From H6286; ornamental; Paran, a desert of Arabia: – Paran.

Sebeos, a seventh century Armenian bishop and historian, when describing the Arab conquest of his time, wrote that the Arabs “assembled and came out from Paran” [105].

Encyclopaedia Biblica, edited by Reverend T. K. Cheyne, asserts: “Paran refers to the Arab tribal names, farran or faran.” [106]

The Dead Sea Scrolls, which are dated to the second century BCE and represent the oldest surviving manuscript evidence for the Old Testament along with other apocryphal books, link Ishmael and his descendants to Arabia:

And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert. And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelite. [107]

The fifth century chronicler Sozomen, a Christian historian who wrote much about the history of the Church, wrote that Arabs descended from Ishmael the son of Abraham and were, as a result, originally called Ishmaelites. They practised circumcision like the Jews, refrained from the use of pork and observed many other Jewish rites and customs. "Indeed there are some among them, even at the present day," he wrote, "who regulate their lives according to the Jewish precepts." [108]

Hence, the Paran (or Pharan) of Ishmael was certainly in the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, we can narrow this location down further. Modern academic research supports the claim that Ishmael’s Paran was indeed in a specific part of Arabia known as Hijaz, modern-day Western Saudi Arabia. Irfan Shahid, one of the world’s most renowned authorities on pre-Islamic, ancient Arabian geography/ history, stated that there was a place called Pharan in Hijaz, which belonged to the Sulaym tribe [109]. Professor Haseeb Shehada, an Israeli scholar and professor, in his translation of the Samaritan version of the Torah suggested an identification of the wilderness of Paran with the desert of Western Arabia which is known today as Hijaz. [110]

Some Christians claim that Paran is not in Arabia, but rather in the desert of Sinai in Egypt. But this can’t be the case, as the Old Testament clearly distinguishes between Sinai and Paran as two separate places: “Then the Israelites set out from the Desert of Sinai and traveled from place to place until the cloud came to rest in the Desert of Paran.” [Numbers 10:12]


The emergence of ten thousand saints and a law

This brings us onto the next part of the prophecy, “he came with ten thousands of saints; from his right hand went a fiery law for them”. The question we must now ask is: who came from/to Arabia with ten thousand saints and a law in his right hand? As we’ve seen, the third location, Paran, is a direct reference to Western Saudi Arabia. It just so happens that this is exactly where the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم was born, in the city of Mecca which is located in Western Saudi Arabia. At the time in the seventh century, the vast majority of Meccans were polytheistic in religion. Then, in 610 CE, God appointed Muhammad as His Prophet. He began to call his people to a new, monotheistic religion. Initially, Muhammad preached in private, and his early followers congregated in secret. When Muhammad eventually declared his message publicly, he and his early followers were met with increasing hostility. His mission to reform society, which included the call for his people to renounce idolatry and advocating for the rights of the poor and the weak, inevitably put him on a collision course with the rich and powerful tribes of Mecca.

The leaders of Mecca instigated a sustained campaign of violence against what they saw as a rival faith and a threat to their power structure. For over a decade, Muslims would go on to suffer severe persecution; they endured beatings, torture, imprisonment and some were even killed. The leaders of Mecca even signed a pact resulting in the complete social and economic boycott of Muslims along with the tribes associated with them. Muhammad and his followers were forced by these circumstances to leave their homes and wander in the outskirts of Mecca. Confined to the harsh and barren desert valley, they struggled to survive for three years, with even food and medicine being barred to them. During what is known as the Year of Grief, Muhammad’s uncle Abu Talib passed away. Abu Lahab, early Islam’s arch-en- emy and Muhammad’s bitterest foe, replaced Abu Talib as the chief of the tribe. The persecution of the early Muslim community in Mecca intensi- fied and in 622 CE, after suffering for nearly a decade and a half, Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his followers fled their home city of Mecca in order to escape persecution. They had to leave behind their possessions and proper- ties which were confiscated by their enemies.

They arrived safely in the city of Medina. There, the early Muslim communi- ty regrouped and flourished. The persecution by their enemies had by no means come to an end, as over the next ten years the tribes of Mecca fought numerous wars against the Muslims. In 629 CE, the Meccans broke a mutual peace treaty with the Muslims. The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم then led a Muslim army of ten thousand in a triumphant return to their home city of Mecca, nearly a decade after they had been forced to flee it. This historic event is known as the Conquest of Mecca:

Narrated Ibn `Abbas: The Prophet left Medina (for Mecca) in the company of ten-thousand (Muslim warriors) in (the month of) Ramadan, and that was eight and a half years after his migration to Medina. He and the Muslims who were with him, proceeded on their way to Mecca. He was fasting and they were fasting, but when they reached a place called Al-Kadid which was a place of water between 'Usfan and Kudaid, he broke his fast and so did they. (Az-Zuhri said, "One should take the last action of God's Apostle and leave his early action (while taking a verdict."). [111]

This is an exact fulfilment of the Bible’s foretelling of the coming of ten thousand saints to Mecca. These saints are the ten thousand Muslims who accompanied Muhammad in the conquest and obeyed God and His Messenger in all matters.

The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم did not just arrive with an army, he also brought with him the Qur’an, the law that was divinely revealed to him from God through the angel Gabriel. The Qur’an was the book by which the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم judged all matters, and the fate of the Meccans was no exception. Before ordering the troops to enter Mecca, the Prophet instructed his men to lift their hands only against those who drew swords against them. He also directed them neither to lay their hands on any moveable or immovable property of the Meccans, nor to destroy anything [112]. The Muslim army entered the city peacefully. No house was robbed; no man or woman was harmed or even insulted. The Prophet Muhammad's صلى الله عليه وسلم first act was to go to the Ka’aba, which Muslims believe was originally built by Abraham and Ishmael as a place of worship dedicated to the One God, but subsequently turned into a house of idolatry by the pagan Meccans. There he proceeded to destroy the idols and false gods within, whilst reciting the following verse of the Qur’an: “Say, the Truth has come and falsehood gone. Verily falsehood is bound to vanish" [17:81]. Then the Prophet went before the defeated people whose hearts were trembling, waiting to see what the victorious conqueror would do with them. The Meccans were afraid because the Arabs had lived by the law of retaliation; their own practice was that of revenge and murder. Many of them were expecting some sort of punishment in accordance with the traditions of the Arabs, and Muhammad had the power to exact that punishment. But, instead, the Prophet granted a general amnesty to the entire population of Mecca, saying to them, “There is no censure on you on this day. May God forgive you, for He is the Most Merciful of the merciful” [113].

Muhammad could have taken vengeance against all those who had persecut- ed him and his people for so many years, but instead he forgave them. His merciful conduct was in accordance with the Qur’an’s laws of justice: “You who believe, uphold justice and bear witness to God, even if it is against yourselves, your parents, or your close relatives... [4:135]. It's one thing to forgive others when you are in a position of weakness and have no choice, but it’s very difficult to do so when you find yourself in a position of strength over your staunch enemies and brutal oppressors. This is one of the many beautiful qualities of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم that changed the hatred in the hearts of his enemies to love for him, as the Qur’an testifies: “And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.” [21:107]

In summary, we can see that a Biblical prophecy was fulfilled to the letter with the advent of the Prophet of Islam. There is no other person in the entire history of mankind who emerged from Arabia in such circumstances, with ten thousand saints and a law, except the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم .


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Citations:

111 – Sahih Bukhari, 59:574.
112 – Seerah ibn Hisham, vol. 2, p. 409.
113 – Al-Tabaqat Al-Kubra, vol. 2, p. 142.
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Citations:

104 – Keil-Delitzsch, Commentary on the Old Testament", 1991, p. 497.
105 – Sebeos, The Armenian History of Sebeosi, pp. 95-97.
106 – Reverend T. K. Cheyne, Encyclopaedia Biblica, p. 3583.
107 – Dead Sea Scrolls, Book of Jubilees, p.118, verses 12-13.
108 – Sozomen, The Ecclesiastical History of the Church, p. 309.
109 – Irfan Shahid, Byzantium and the Arabs in the Fourth Century, p. 325.
110 – Professor Haseeb Shehada, Translation of the Samaritan Torah, p. 90.
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[From "Jesus: Man, Messenger, Messiah", written by Abu Zakariya]
 
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From Zionist wikipedia:-
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkah)

Bakkah (Arabic: بَكَّةُ‎ [ˈbɛk.kɛh]), is a place mentioned in sura 3 (’Āl ‘Imrān), ayah96 of the Qur'an, a verse sometimes translated as: " Verily the first House set apart unto mankind was that at Bakkah, blest, and a guidance unto the worlds",[1]

According to Muslim scholars, Bakkah is an ancient name for Mecca, the most holy city of Islam.[2] (The word Mecca is only used once in the Quran in verse 48:24 ("and it is He who withheld their hands from you and your hands from them within [the area of] Makkah after He caused you to overcome them. And ever is Allah of what you do, Seeing."))[3][4][5]

Most Muslims believe Mecca and Bakkah are synonyms, but to Muslim scholars there is a distinction: Bakkah refers to the Kaaba and the sacred site immediately surrounding it, while Mecca is the name of the city in which they are both located.[6]

According to Lisān al-‘Arab of Ibn Manẓūr, the site of the Kaaba and its surroundings was named Bakkah due to crowding and congestion of people in the area. The Arabic verb bakka (بَكَّ), with double "k", means to crowd like in a bazaar. This is not to be confused with another unrelated Arabic verb bakā (بَكَىٰ) (single k) which is the past participle of yabkī (يَبْكِي), to cry.

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The Arabic word "baka" is from the Hebrew word "baca", which means tears. The Valley of Baca/Tears (Ps. 84:6) received its name because it's where Abraham passed through with Isaac heavy-hearted, on his way to Mt. Moriah, to sacrifice Isaac, as Father (God) COMMANDED him to do.

Here is the first reference in the Koran (Quran) allegedly to "Bakkah" which is really BACA, as evidenced by the fact that the passage is speaking of THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, who are descended from Abraham through Isaac (NOT Ishmael) and to whom The Law was given.

Sura 3:93-98
3:93. All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Israel made unlawful for itself, before The Law was revealed (to Moses). Say: "Bring ye The Law (The Torah) and study it, if ye be men of truth." (Note: It is in The Law where the story of Abraham's journey to sacrifice Isaac was first shared. The same Isaac whose son Jacob was later renamed Israel)
3:94. If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed unjust wrong-doers.
3:95. Say: "God speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the SANE in Faith; he was not of the Pagans."
3:96. THE chief House (of worship) appointed for men was that at The Holy Place (of Tears/Baca/Bakka - Ps. 84:6 - Mt. Moriah): full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:
3:97. In it are Signs manifest (for example), the Station of Abraham (Mt. Moriah) whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, God stands not in need of any of His creatures.
3:98. Say: "O People of The Book! Why reject ye the Signs of God, when God is Himself witness to all ye do?"

Sura 48:22-25
48:22. If the Unbelievers should fight you, they would certainly turn their backs; then would they find neither protector nor helper.
48:23. (Such has been) the practice (approved) by "I AM" already in the past: NO CHANGE wilt thou find in the practice (approved) by "I AM" (Heb. 13:8).
48:24. And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of the physical altercation, after that He gave you the victory over them. And "I AM" sees well all that ye do.
48:25. They are the ones who denied revelation and hindered you from the Holy Place and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge, ("I AM" would have allowed you to force your way, but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His Mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous Punishment.

Here is the Yusuf Ali translation of the same passage, for comparison:-

Sura 48:22-25
48:22 If the Unbelievers should fight you they would certainly turn their backs; then would they find neither protector nor helper.
48:23 (Such has been) the practice. (Approved) of Allah already in the past: no change wilt thou find in the practice (approved) of Allah.
48:24 And it is He who has restrained their hands from you and your hand from them in the midst of Mecca after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.
48:25 They are the ones who denied revelation and hindered you from the Sacred Mosque and the sacrificial animals detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge. (Allah would have allowed you to force your way but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His mercy whom He will. If they had been apart We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous punishment.

Are we really supposed to believe that "Baca" should have been changed to "Bakkah", which changed again into "Makkah/Makka", which was changed yet a third time from "Makkah" to "Mecca" this ONE AND ONLY TIME in the Koran, IMMEDIATELY AFTER A VERSE WHERE WE ARE TOLD THAT WE WILL FIND NO CHANGE IN A PRACTICE APPROVED BY ALLAH?

Are we similarly supposed to believe that Gabriel allegedly gave Muhammad (peace be upon him) two different spellings for the "holy city of Mecca" (neither of which were actually "Mecca"), which was the known regional capital of pagan polytheism and idol-worhsip? How did the same evil city that drove Mohammed Mustafa and the TRUE KORAN out of it magically become "holy"? Is it now considered "holy" to fight against Father (Allah, Whose Name is "I AM") and His Messengers?

Again, how does one prostrate oneself INSIDE of a solid black rock?

And where was the sacred mosque (temple) where people for hundreds of years brought their animals to sacrifice to God? Jerusalem or pagan Mecca?

By contrast, the city of Peace -- JERUSALEM -- is mentioned at least 800 TIMES in the Bible. The same Bible that the Koran repeatedly instructs its readers they MUST read, learn and follow, and to NOT BE IN DOUBT of it being corrupted or of it reaching them. The same Bible that the Koran tells us it came to CONFIRM.

Which city would anyone in their right mind honestly think that Father wanted to emphasize? One He mentioned hundreds and hundreds of times, or one He never mentioned even once? And how could Mecca -- which likewise is NEVER mentioned directly or indirectly in the Bible -- be confirmed in the Koran?

Could it be any more obvious or transparent that the addition of Makkah/Makka (which itself is NOT Mecca) to the Koran is a FORGERY? The beauty of Father's Holy Word is that it makes it EASY to discover when idiots and barbarians have ATTEMPTED to alter His Word. 800 to 0 ought to be enough for those who have any love for the truth to question who approved of the supposed one-time change. It certainly wasn't Allah.

You have no evidence for that claim. Where is Paran?

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And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints; from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
[Deuteronomy 33:1-2]

We are going to show that this prophecy is in fact a reference to the three Abrahamic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This prophecy can be divided into two parts:

1. The mention of Sinai, Seir and Paran

2. The emergence of ten thousand saints and a law

We will now discuss each of these in detail:

1. The mention of Sinai, Seir and Paran

“The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran...”

Here one can see clearly that three locations are mentioned. Sinai is in Egypt, where Moses came from with a message from God, as is evident from the statement “the Lord came from Sinai”. Seir is an allusion to Palestine, as mount Seir was situated within the ancient kingdom of Edom, which was in Palestine. This is according to commentators of the Old Testament: “Seir is the mountain land of the Edomites to the east of Sinai” [104]. Palestine is where Jesus appeared with a call to God: “[the Lord] rose up from Seir”.

The big question is: which location is being referred to in the final part of the verse whereby God proclaims “he shined forth from mount Paran”? The Bible tells us that Paran is the very place where Ishmael dwelt: “While he (Ishmael) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt” [Genesis 21:21]. The dwelling place of Ishmael was none other than Arabia. It’s important to note that biblical geographers differ as to the exact location of Paran. However, they are unanimous that Paran is somewhere within Arabia. From Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible:

He dwelt in the wilderness of Paran – This is generally allowed to have been a part of the desert belonging to Arabia Petraea, in the vicinity of Mount Sinai; and this seems to be its uniform meaning in the sacred writings.

Strong’s Bible Dictionary also tells us that Paran is a desert of Arabia:

H6290 pâ’rân From H6286; ornamental; Paran, a desert of Arabia: – Paran.

Sebeos, a seventh century Armenian bishop and historian, when describing the Arab conquest of his time, wrote that the Arabs “assembled and came out from Paran” [105].

Encyclopaedia Biblica, edited by Reverend T. K. Cheyne, asserts: “Paran refers to the Arab tribal names, farran or faran.” [106]

The Dead Sea Scrolls, which are dated to the second century BCE and represent the oldest surviving manuscript evidence for the Old Testament along with other apocryphal books, link Ishmael and his descendants to Arabia:

And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert. And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelite. [107]

The fifth century chronicler Sozomen, a Christian historian who wrote much about the history of the Church, wrote that Arabs descended from Ishmael the son of Abraham and were, as a result, originally called Ishmaelites. They practised circumcision like the Jews, refrained from the use of pork and observed many other Jewish rites and customs. "Indeed there are some among them, even at the present day," he wrote, "who regulate their lives according to the Jewish precepts." [108]

Hence, the Paran (or Pharan) of Ishmael was certainly in the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, we can narrow this location down further. Modern academic research supports the claim that Ishmael’s Paran was indeed in a specific part of Arabia known as Hijaz, modern-day Western Saudi Arabia. Irfan Shahid, one of the world’s most renowned authorities on pre-Islamic, ancient Arabian geography/ history, stated that there was a place called Pharan in Hijaz, which belonged to the Sulaym tribe [109]. Professor Haseeb Shehada, an Israeli scholar and professor, in his translation of the Samaritan version of the Torah suggested an identification of the wilderness of Paran with the desert of Western Arabia which is known today as Hijaz. [110]

Some Christians claim that Paran is not in Arabia, but rather in the desert of Sinai in Egypt. But this can’t be the case, as the Old Testament clearly distinguishes between Sinai and Paran as two separate places: “Then the Israelites set out from the Desert of Sinai and traveled from place to place until the cloud came to rest in the Desert of Paran.” [Numbers 10:12]


The emergence of ten thousand saints and a law

This brings us onto the next part of the prophecy, “he came with ten thousands of saints; from his right hand went a fiery law for them”. The question we must now ask is: who came from/to Arabia with ten thousand saints and a law in his right hand? As we’ve seen, the third location, Paran, is a direct reference to Western Saudi Arabia. It just so happens that this is exactly where the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم was born, in the city of Mecca which is located in Western Saudi Arabia. At the time in the seventh century, the vast majority of Meccans were polytheistic in religion. Then, in 610 CE, God appointed Muhammad as His Prophet. He began to call his people to a new, monotheistic religion. Initially, Muhammad preached in private, and his early followers congregated in secret. When Muhammad eventually declared his message publicly, he and his early followers were met with increasing hostility. His mission to reform society, which included the call for his people to renounce idolatry and advocating for the rights of the poor and the weak, inevitably put him on a collision course with the rich and powerful tribes of Mecca.

The leaders of Mecca instigated a sustained campaign of violence against what they saw as a rival faith and a threat to their power structure. For over a decade, Muslims would go on to suffer severe persecution; they endured beatings, torture, imprisonment and some were even killed. The leaders of Mecca even signed a pact resulting in the complete social and economic boycott of Muslims along with the tribes associated with them. Muhammad and his followers were forced by these circumstances to leave their homes and wander in the outskirts of Mecca. Confined to the harsh and barren desert valley, they struggled to survive for three years, with even food and medicine being barred to them. During what is known as the Year of Grief, Muhammad’s uncle Abu Talib passed away. Abu Lahab, early Islam’s arch-en- emy and Muhammad’s bitterest foe, replaced Abu Talib as the chief of the tribe. The persecution of the early Muslim community in Mecca intensi- fied and in 622 CE, after suffering for nearly a decade and a half, Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his followers fled their home city of Mecca in order to escape persecution. They had to leave behind their possessions and proper- ties which were confiscated by their enemies.

They arrived safely in the city of Medina. There, the early Muslim communi- ty regrouped and flourished. The persecution by their enemies had by no means come to an end, as over the next ten years the tribes of Mecca fought numerous wars against the Muslims. In 629 CE, the Meccans broke a mutual peace treaty with the Muslims. The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم then led a Muslim army of ten thousand in a triumphant return to their home city of Mecca, nearly a decade after they had been forced to flee it. This historic event is known as the Conquest of Mecca:

Narrated Ibn `Abbas: The Prophet left Medina (for Mecca) in the company of ten-thousand (Muslim warriors) in (the month of) Ramadan, and that was eight and a half years after his migration to Medina. He and the Muslims who were with him, proceeded on their way to Mecca. He was fasting and they were fasting, but when they reached a place called Al-Kadid which was a place of water between 'Usfan and Kudaid, he broke his fast and so did they. (Az-Zuhri said, "One should take the last action of God's Apostle and leave his early action (while taking a verdict."). [111]

This is an exact fulfilment of the Bible’s foretelling of the coming of ten thousand saints to Mecca. These saints are the ten thousand Muslims who accompanied Muhammad in the conquest and obeyed God and His Messenger in all matters.

The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم did not just arrive with an army, he also brought with him the Qur’an, the law that was divinely revealed to him from God through the angel Gabriel. The Qur’an was the book by which the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم judged all matters, and the fate of the Meccans was no exception. Before ordering the troops to enter Mecca, the Prophet instructed his men to lift their hands only against those who drew swords against them. He also directed them neither to lay their hands on any moveable or immovable property of the Meccans, nor to destroy anything [112]. The Muslim army entered the city peacefully. No house was robbed; no man or woman was harmed or even insulted. The Prophet Muhammad's صلى الله عليه وسلم first act was to go to the Ka’aba, which Muslims believe was originally built by Abraham and Ishmael as a place of worship dedicated to the One God, but subsequently turned into a house of idolatry by the pagan Meccans. There he proceeded to destroy the idols and false gods within, whilst reciting the following verse of the Qur’an: “Say, the Truth has come and falsehood gone. Verily falsehood is bound to vanish" [17:81]. Then the Prophet went before the defeated people whose hearts were trembling, waiting to see what the victorious conqueror would do with them. The Meccans were afraid because the Arabs had lived by the law of retaliation; their own practice was that of revenge and murder. Many of them were expecting some sort of punishment in accordance with the traditions of the Arabs, and Muhammad had the power to exact that punishment. But, instead, the Prophet granted a general amnesty to the entire population of Mecca, saying to them, “There is no censure on you on this day. May God forgive you, for He is the Most Merciful of the merciful” [113].

Muhammad could have taken vengeance against all those who had persecut- ed him and his people for so many years, but instead he forgave them. His merciful conduct was in accordance with the Qur’an’s laws of justice: “You who believe, uphold justice and bear witness to God, even if it is against yourselves, your parents, or your close relatives... [4:135]. It's one thing to forgive others when you are in a position of weakness and have no choice, but it’s very difficult to do so when you find yourself in a position of strength over your staunch enemies and brutal oppressors. This is one of the many beautiful qualities of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم that changed the hatred in the hearts of his enemies to love for him, as the Qur’an testifies: “And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.” [21:107]

In summary, we can see that a Biblical prophecy was fulfilled to the letter with the advent of the Prophet of Islam. There is no other person in the entire history of mankind who emerged from Arabia in such circumstances, with ten thousand saints and a law, except the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم .


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Citations:

111 – Sahih Bukhari, 59:574.
112 – Seerah ibn Hisham, vol. 2, p. 409.
113 – Al-Tabaqat Al-Kubra, vol. 2, p. 142.
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Citations:

104 – Keil-Delitzsch, Commentary on the Old Testament", 1991, p. 497.
105 – Sebeos, The Armenian History of Sebeosi, pp. 95-97.
106 – Reverend T. K. Cheyne, Encyclopaedia Biblica, p. 3583.
107 – Dead Sea Scrolls, Book of Jubilees, p.118, verses 12-13.
108 – Sozomen, The Ecclesiastical History of the Church, p. 309.
109 – Irfan Shahid, Byzantium and the Arabs in the Fourth Century, p. 325.
110 – Professor Haseeb Shehada, Translation of the Samaritan Torah, p. 90.
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[From "Jesus: Man, Messenger, Messiah", written by Abu Zakariya]
A simple review of what it actually says in Scripture cuts through all of the confusion about where the wilderness of Paran was located and where Ishmael lived and died.

Genesis 20:1 And Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourned in Gerar.

Genesis 21:14-21
21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave [it] unto Hagar, putting [it] on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
21:15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
21:16 And she went, and sat her down over against [him] a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against [him], and lift up her voice, and wept.
21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he [is].
21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.
21:19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.
21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

Why did his mother, Hagar the Egyptian, take him a wife out of the land of Egypt? BECAUSE THEY LIVED RIGHT NEXT TO EGYPT.

Genesis 25:17-18
25:17 And these [are] the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.
25:18 And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, THAT [iS] BEFORE EGYPT, as thou goest toward Assyria: [and] he died in the presence of all his brethren.

Further confirmation of the proximity of Paran to Kadesh:-

Numbers 13:26 And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran, to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the congregation, and showed them the fruit of the land.

And the location of Paran relative to the Red Sea and the journey time between there and Horeb.

Deuteronomy 1:1-2
1:1 These [be] the words which Moses spoke unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red [sea], between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.
1:2 ([There are] eleven days' [journey] from Horeb by the way of mount Seir unto Kadeshbarnea.)
 
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Are we really supposed to believe that "Baca" should have been changed to "Bakkah", which changed again into "Makkah/Makka", which was changed yet a third time from "Makkah" to "Mecca" this ONE AND ONLY TIME in the Koran, IMMEDIATELY AFTER A VERSE WHERE WE ARE TOLD THAT WE WILL FIND NO CHANGE IN A PRACTICE APPROVED BY ALLAH?
And yet, the Quran verse, 48:24, clearly mentions the word Makkah -- مكة. There's no way to get around that. If you do not believe me, you can ask someone who can read Arabic to verify it for you.
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'Bakkah' is simply the name of the inner sanctum (the Kaaba and its surroundings) of the greater area that constitutes 'Makkah'. Bakkah is also an older name, just as 'Yathrib' is the older name of the city of Madinah.
Whatever spelling you use, whether Mecca, Makka, or Makkah, this will not change the fact that the Quranic script says: مكة (m-k-h). The spellings are attempted transliterations of the Arabic word.

Which city would anyone in their right mind honestly think that Father wanted to emphasize? One He mentioned hundreds and hundreds of times, or one He never mentioned even once?
You keep ignoring the verse 48:24. Alone, it demolishes all your claims. In it, is clearly written: 'مكة', Makkah. You cannot reject this unless you reject the source from which your English translation was derived, the Arabic Quran itself. The Arabic preceded your King of Kings' Bible. Therefore the Arabic is an authority over your translation, and every other translation. If you claim to be a student or scholar of the Quran, you must study the Arabic source to ascertain the essence of the Quran's meaning. (Just as Biblical scholars must return to the Aramaic in which many Bible manuscripts are written.) To ignore it, or dismiss its validity, can only be called folly.

Had God mentioned Makkah once, it would have been enough. In God's word, quality reigns over quantity. But God has not mentioned it only once. He has mentioned it many times, including in Surah Israa (chapter 17), verse 1:
Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things). [17:1]
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The 'Sacred Mosque' (المسجد الحرام [Al-Masjid al-Haraam], see Figure 1) is another name for the Kaaba in Makkah, and the 'farthest mosque' (ٱلْمَسْجِد ٱلْأَقْصَىٰ‎ [Al-Masjid al-Aqsa], see Figure 2) refers to a sacred area in Jerusalem.

Your claim is: All mentions of what Muslims allege to be Makkah in the Quran, actually refer to Jerusalem. Yet if we are to hold your argument to be true, the above verse (17:1) would be saying that God took his servant, Muhammad (pbuh), on a Journey by night from Jerusalem to Jerusalem. But that cannot be. There are two places mentioned, one of which refers to Masjid al-Aqsa, and the second of which refers to Masjid al-Haraam in Makkah. This alone, causes your argument collapse in on itself, even if we ignore every other verse that refers to, or mentions Makkah and places within it, such as:

Behold! Safa and Marwa are among the Symbols of Allah. So if those who visit the House in the Season or at other times, should compass them round, it is no sin in them. And if any one obeyeth his own impulse to good,- be sure that Allah is He Who recogniseth and knoweth. [2:158]

It is no crime in you if ye seek of the bounty of your Lord (during pilgrimage). Then when ye pour down from (Mount) Arafat, celebrate the praises of Allah at the Sacred Monument, and celebrate His praises as He has directed you, even though, before this, ye went astray. [2:198]

In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures. [3:97]

And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment. [2:196]

O ye who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the symbols of Allah, nor of the sacred month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people resorting to the sacred house, seeking of the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord. But when ye are clear of the sacred precincts and of pilgrim garb, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment. [5:2]


All the places here mentioned are located in the precincts of Makkah. If it is not so, please find me evidence that supports the presence of these places: Safa and Marwa, Mount Arafat, the Station of Abraham, and the Sacred House, in a city or area other than Makkah. You will not be able to do so, as there is no such place.

And how could Mecca -- which likewise is NEVER mentioned directly or indirectly in the Bible -- be confirmed in the Koran?
This is your first clear admission that you do not care for what is written in the Quran, unless the Bible affirms it. Hence, Anthony John Hill has changed Ishmael to Isaac, and 'Makkah' to 'physical altercation' in 48:24. I have not yet discovered all else that Hill has changed in the King of Kings' Bible's appropration of the Quran. What is clear, is that no man has the right to change the word of God.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. [2:79]

Your 'Muad'Dib' changes all things in the Quran that do not agree with the Bible, and so all those things, that if included, would make one a Muslim in the normative sense; a Muslim being one who obeys God, obeys God's Messenger Muhammad (pbuh), and establishes the five pillars of Islam, that are: Testimony to the Oneness of God, Prayer, Charity, Fasting, and Pilgrimage. Your Muad'Dib has all but demolished these pillars upon which an individual's adherence to Islam is upheld. Thus, to all intents and purposes, you are a Christian. You take from the Quran that which agrees with your Christian sensibilities, and you ignore, or change, all that that refutes it. But to ignore or change even a letter of the Quran is unbelief:
... Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. [2:85]

Are we similarly supposed to believe that Gabriel allegedly gave Muhammad (peace be upon him) two different spellings for the "holy city of Mecca" (neither of which were actually "Mecca"), which was the known regional capital of pagan polytheism and idol-worhsip? How did the same evil city that drove Mohammed Mustafa and the TRUE KORAN out of it magically become "holy"?
There are several names for Makkah in the Quran, some of which are: Bakkah, Umm al Qura, al-Balad, al-Balad al-Ameen, Qaryah, and al-Masjid al-Haraam. If we are to hold your argument to be true, we must similarly argue that every other name of Makkah, of which there are a minimum of seven, refers to a different place. Perhaps, there are seven holy places, scattered across the world. But, according to you, not one of them must refer to the city of Makkah, the birthplace of the final Prophet of God, Muhammad (pbuh), in which one half of the Quran was revealed.

Makka: 48:24
Bakkah: 3:96
Umm al Qura: 6:92
Al Balad: 14:35
Al Balad al Ameen: 95:3
Qaryah: 47:13
al-Masjid al-Haraam: 2:144, 2:149, 2:150, 2:191, 2196, 2:217, 5:2, 8:34, 9:7, 9:19, 9:28, 17:1, 22:25, 48:25, 48:27.
(There are some other I have missed.)

which was the known regional capital of pagan polytheism and idol-worhsip? How did the same evil city that drove Mohammed Mustafa and the TRUE KORAN out of it magically become "holy"?
Is a city in which pagans live and work now to be considered 'evil' for the fact of their presence? If this is so, we must also declare Jerusalem evil, for is it not the case that Jerusalem too, houses idol-worshippers, polytheists and pagans?

If you read about the life of the Prophet, you will know that Muhammad (pbuh) would return to Makkah victorious, forgive his bitterest of foes, and crush and level every idol that remained in the city and the Kaabah. Makkah was expunged of idolatry then, and continues to remain free of it today. By contrast, idolatry continues to be practiced in Jerusalem. It must then be, by your logic, an evil city. But that cannot be so. A city that is declared sacrosanct by God, remains sacrosanct, despite the evils that wrongdoers may perpetrate within it.

Could it be any more obvious or transparent that the addition of Makkah/Makka (which itself is NOT Mecca) to the Koran is a FORGERY? The beauty of Father's Holy Word is that it makes it EASY to discover when idiots and barbarians have ATTEMPTED to alter His Word. 800 to 0 ought to be enough for those who have any love for the truth to question who approved of the supposed one-time change. It certainly wasn't Allah.
You declare all that in the Quran that does not agree with the Bible to be 'FORGERY', while accepting only that which the Bible affirms, even if attempting to reconcile the two results means that you must interpolate, fabricate, delete, and substitute. You might as well take the Hindu Vedas, throw out all verses that disagree with the Bible, and use a particular ideological framework to make all remaining verses fit the Biblical narrative. As Augustine rightly said, if you keep what you like from the Gospel, and throw out all you do not like, it is not the Gospel that is your authority, but yourself -- you are making your own desires as your God.
 
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@pescatarian09 :-

Everything you've just tried to peddle has already been addressed and thoroughly refuted with Scripture. It's understood you are having a difficult time accepting the truth that there are verses in the Koran that have been intentionally altered, much in the same way that there are verses in the Bible which have obviously been altered, e.g. 1 John 5:7. But that doesn't change the fact that it has occurred, exactly as prophesied in both the Bible and Koran.

As you've stated, there is ONE mention of the word "Bakkah" in the Koran (Quran) and ONE mention of the word "Makkah" or "Makka", neither of which are "Mecca", regardless of what the so-called experts and scholars -- whom you have partnered with God and His Word -- have said.

IF you read, studied and understood The Law that God gave us (i.e. became WELL-ACQUAINTED with it), which we are COMMANDED to read in the Old Covenant, New Covenant AND in the Koran, it would become self-evident why these two singular entries are BOTH forgeries, where the Arabic word "baka" (from the Hebrew word "baca") was intentionally replaced by the Roman Catholic Meccans who compiled the Koran, roughly 20 years AFTER the death of Muhammad Mustafa (peace be upon him).

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established (see also Num. 35:30, Deut. 17:6).

So, contrary to what Lucifer/Satan/Iblis has CONNED you into believing, ONE mention (alteration really) of "Makka"/"Makkah" (which itself is NOT "Mecca") is NOT enough for God, and should immediately raise a "red-flag". Over 800 references though to Jerusalem in the Book that God COMMANDED us to read should be sufficient for any reasonably minded human+Being.

This is why whenever we see ANYTHING in Scripture that magically only appears once, it should prompt us to double-check it against the rest of Scripture to determine if something has been altered or not.

IF someone is diligent about doing that, they will find that there are always sufficient numbers of witnesses to prove the matter in question, i.e. to expose the false witness.

In this particular case, we have over 800 references to Jerusalem in the Bible. Why is Jerusalem, the Mother of Cities and the City of Peace so important? Because that's where Mt. Moriah is. And what happened there? IT IS THE EXACT SPOT WHERE ABRAHAM OFFERED UP HIS MIRACLE SON ISAAC AS A SACRIFICE TO GOD AND, IN DOING SO, BECAME A "FRIEND OF GOD". That is what made Mt. Moriah the holiest spot on Earth. And that is why Jerusalem was allowed to be built there.

What made Isaac (which is Hebrew and means "laughter") Abraham's "miracle" son? Abraham was almost 100 when his wife Sarah -- who herself was 90, conceived and bore a son, as the angels told her she would.

Did Abraham travel to Mecca to do that? No. He traveled through the Valley of Baca ("tears") to Mt. Moriah to sacrifice Isaac. Several hundred years later Solomon built the ONLY Temple God EVER sanctioned to be built on this planet, with its innermost chamber, "the Holy of Holies" built over the exact spot where Abraham offered up Isaac.

For hundreds of years, that Temple served as a place where people brought animals to sacrifice for their sins, foreshadowing "the Lamb of God" being sacrificed for the entire nation of Israel. Did the Children of Israel do that in Mecca? No. They did it in Jerusalem.

Did Ishmael ever live in Mecca? No. We have it directly from God, in His Perfect Law, which He gave to Moses, that Ishmael lived and died right next to Egypt, within a few days walk of where Abraham lived.

Further, did the "Jews", "Christians" and "Muslims" ever fight over pagan Mecca? No. They have fought over Jerusalem for thousands of years. That is why Jerusalem is referred to as the "Mother of Cities". There is no other city on Earth that has been so heavily contested by so many throughout history.

Of course you conveniently ignore this mountain of factual evidence provided to us by Allah in His Law, which has played out precisely as prophesied in the Bible. Why? Because some "religious expert/scholar" says that neither "Bakkah" or "Makka/Makkah" could possibly be an alteration of Baka/Baca? And you don't see that as shirk?

You bring up "other references to Makka" in the Koran. There are NONE other than parenthetical inserts, where it has been WRONGLY ASSUMED that the referenced place is "Mecca" with ZERO evidence. The parenthetical inserts have ALL, by admission, been ADDED. A couple of those references below, where the "Mother of Cities" has been CORRECTLY identified as Jerusalem, where God told us to face when we pray.

Sura 6:92. And this (Koran) is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities (Jerusalem - Isaiah 1:1, 21; Matt. 23:37) and all around her (just like almost all of the previous Prophets were also told to do). Those who believe in the Hereafter (also) believe this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers.

Sura 42:7. Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Koran: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities (Jerusalem - Matt. 5:35) and all around her,- and warn (them) of The Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt: (when) some will be in The Garden, and some in The Blazing Fire.

If you wish to pretend that "Bakkah" means Mecca, or that "Makka" or "Makkah" means Mecca, because some so-called religious experts, scholars, "imams", etc. ASSUME that's what it means, instead of believing what God Himself has told us HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF TIMES throughout HIS Word, then you are willfully choosing to commit shirk.

The same holds true for any so-called Christian attempting to defend the "trinitarian" insertions made in 1 John 5:7 and Matthew 28:19, or the story of the adulterous woman, all of which were very obviously ADDED to the Bible, and all of which we can prove in the exact same manner, using God's INCORRUPTIBLE Word, which has error correction built right into it. All of this is to test our faith. Believers, who diligently seek the truth from Allah ALONE, will see and avoid such obvious trickery. Unbelievers, who prefer their religious superstitions, with their pagan rites and rituals over the Word of God, will continue to be misled, exactly as it tells us repeatedly throughout the Koran (Quran).

May you carefully consider this truth that has been shared for our mutual benefit.

Peace be upon you.
 
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Of course you conveniently ignore this mountain of factual evidence provided to us by Allah in His Law, which has played out precisely as prophesied in the Bible. Why? Because some "religious expert/scholar" says that neither "Bakkah" or "Makka/Makkah" could possibly be an alteration of Baka/Baca? And you don't see that as shirk?
This is not from the interpretation of scholars. It is in the Arabic source itself.

(48:24) وَهُوَ الَّذِي كَفَّ أَيْدِيَهُمْ عَنكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ عَنْهُم بِبَطْنِ مَكَّةَ مِن بَعْدِ أَنْ أَظْفَرَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرً

مكة

-- Here it is, as clear as day. M-K-H. Mecca/Makka/Makkah are all transliterations derived from the Arabic word.

No so-called "mountain of evidence" can get around this glaring fact.

As I said before, in denying this, you bring into question the provenance and legitimacy of the entire Quran. If you have no qualms in doing so, that is your choice alone.

Is it coincidence that you declare to be FORGERY that which does not correspond with the Bible, even though you have no evidence to prove what is forgery and what is not? But it is no coincidence. You must defend your doctrine at all costs, so you choose that which serves you, and you throw behind your back that which testifies against you, no matter if it is God's word or not. If you have no qualms in doing so, that is your choice alone.
... Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. [2:85]
 
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It's understood you are having a difficult time accepting the truth that there are verses in the Koran that have been intentionally altered, much in the same way that there are verses in the Bible which have obviously been altered
If you can declare this, then you must allow me to declare that all places in which the Bible calls Jesus Christ the begotten son of God are forgeries too.
 

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One of the most important things about the Muslim Faith that the clerics don't want laypeople to know is that their Hadith are considered on equal par with the Qur'an. You can't carry on an accurate discourse about Islam without also consulting the Hadith.

Such writings are kept under lock and key bare witness to things such as the fact that the Catholic Church helped found Islam.

No, they don't ever want you to know about that.
 

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If you can declare this, then you must allow me to declare that all places in which the Bible calls Jesus Christ the begotten son of God are forgeries too.
The reason unbelievers don't understand the references in the Bible to the Spirit-Being known as The Messiah/Christ (Prince Michael) -- Who IS the Firstborn/First-Created Son of God -- is because they don't believe in the Hereafter, i.e. the SPIRITUAL world (that includes reincarnation, which both the Bible and the Koran teach).

God, Who is a Spirit-Being (John 4:24) and NOT human (Num 23:19), and therefore could NEVER have a human son, exactly as it says in the Koran (Quran). So there is absolutely disagreement between the Bible and the Koran on this issue IF it is properly understood.

Jesus was the human son of the virgin body of Mary, Who was INCARNATED by the spirit-Being Christ -- exactly as it says in the Koran -- to become the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ.

Sura 2:87. We gave Moses The Book (The Torah) and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (CHRIST). Is it that whenever there comes to you an Apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!

Sura 2:253. Those Apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: to one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), AND RE-INFORCED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST). If God had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If God had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but God fulfilleth His Plan.

Sura 5:113. Then will "I AM" say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I STRENGTHENED THEE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (CHRIST), so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee The Book (The Torah and Prophets – John 7:15-17) and Wisdom (John 5:20), The Law (The Torah – John 5:46-47) and The Gospel (Mark 1:14-15) and behold! Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, thou breathest into it (Gen. 2:7), and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind (John 9), and the lepers (Luke 7:22), by My leave (John 3:35). And behold! Thou bringest forth the dead by My leave (John 5:21). And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs (Luke 4:16-30), and the Unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but sorcery' (Mark 6:1-6).

Who could be more guided than the Holy Spirit (our connection with God)? Hence the reason Christ is the Mahdi, and THE Imam of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Of course the false imams in "Islam" wrongly teach that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel, because they refuse to read the Gospel of Jesus, even though Gabriel shared with Muhammad (peace be upon him) that we must read the Gospel of Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is NOT some third character in a pagan Roman 3=1 deity; the Holy Spirit is Father's SPIRITUAL connection to each of us, whereby we can receive guidance and wisdom from Him at any and all times, and ask Him questions, as well as convey His Truth and Wisdom to others.

And Whose is it that serves as the connection/intercessor/mediator/priest between Father (God) and us? CHRIST.

John 16:7-8
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the Truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU.
16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
16:9 Of sin, because they believe not me;
16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will GUIDE you into all Truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.

John 14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.
14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I Live, ye shall live also.

Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called priest (etc.): for ONE is your Teacher, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Matthew 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for ONE is your Master, [even] Christ.

John 10:1-5
10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
10:2 But he that entereth in by the door (tells the Truth) is the Shepherd of the sheep.
10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] ONE God, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN God and men, the Man Jesus Christ;

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So your comparison is again apples and oranges. The Bible and Koran are in perfect agreement, as God has promised.

Peace be upon you.
 

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A Freeman:
"God, Who is a Spirit-Being (John 4:24) and NOT human (Num 23:19), and therefore could NEVER have a human son, exactly as it says in the Koran (Quran). So there is absolutely disagreement between the Bible and the Koran on this issue IF it is properly understood."

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"
-Numbers 23:19 (KJV)
If I understand you properly, you're taking this out of context. It's saying that God isn't like man. "God is not a man, that he should lie..." You clearly don't understand the old English here. Reading it in Hebrew, the language it was actually written in, results in even further clarity. Regardless, it never says he can't be a man. (YOU say that.) Also, God doesn't need to repent like men because He's never sinned.

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
-John 4:24 (KJV)
So God the Father is a Spirit. So what?
 
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A Freeman:
"God, Who is a Spirit-Being (John 4:24) and NOT human (Num 23:19), and therefore could NEVER have a human son, exactly as it says in the Koran (Quran). So there is absolutely disagreement between the Bible and the Koran on this issue IF it is properly understood."

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"
-Numbers 23:19 (KJV)
If I understand you properly, you're taking this out of context.
Nothing has been taken out of context. God is a Spirit-Being, and can NEVER be human, nor the son of a human ("Son of Man"), exactly as it says.

IF God were to be subjected to human limitations, He would immediately cease to be ALL-POWERFUL. God is all-powerful (omnipotent), all-knowing (omniscient), and present everywhere (omnipresent) at ALL TIMES.

Please think about that very carefully. The only way that God can be omnipresent is if He is everything (the limitless universe) that we live inside of, which would then cease to exist should God become human.

It's saying that God isn't like man. "God is not a man, that he should lie..."
But it doesn't say that God isn't "like" a man, does it?

You clearly don't understand the old English here. Reading it in Hebrew, the language it was actually written in, results in even further clarity.
The word "Satan" is Hebrew and means "the Opposer" (God's Adversary). Whenever Father (God) tells us the Truth, Satan comes along and tries to con us into believing the opposite, i.e. to believe that lies are truth and that the truth is a lie.

Numbers 23:19 is written plainly, and means exactly what it says, whether it is in English or in Hebrew. The word "like" is not to be found in either the Hebrew or the English translation from Hebrew. Nor is it implied. Nor can it be assumed. Father (God) says exactly what He means and He means exactly what He says.

Regardless, it never says he can't be a man. (YOU say that.)
Except that is EXACTLY what it says. You even quoted it: "God is NOT a man". The verse goes one step further to state "neither the son of man" to make it doubly clear it's IMPOSSIBLE for our ALL-POWERFUL GOD to be subjected to human limitation, even if only for a moment. It's YOU who are falsely claiming it doesn't say what it actually does say, without any evidence. Read what it actually says.

Also, God doesn't need to repent like men because He's never sinned.

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
-John 4:24 (KJV)
So God the Father is a Spirit. So what?
If you don't understand the difference between a Spirit-Being (Soul/Jinn) and a human (flesh), then how can you correctly understand ANYTHING in Scripture? Both the Bible and the Koran (Quran) were written for spiritual-Beings, NOT for humans.

John 3:3-8
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and where it goeth: so is every one that is BORN OF THE SPIRIT.

If it is your intention to try to argue the pagan "trinity" or to falsely claim that Jesus was/is God, there are other threads that address that unscriptural viewpoint. Please see one such example at the link below.

The Trinity Delusion
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/the-trinity-delusion.8028/#post-342254

Peace be upon you.
 
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Seriously?

The real name of Japan in Japanese is Nippon/Nihon but english speakers call it Japan.

likewise the city of Makkah is called Mecca by English speakers.
According to these guys English is some kind of divine language full of mysteries. Like they believe that the word "democracy" comes from "demon" and "crazy" rather than from the Greek "dēmokratia". Among other things. Oh and that when Jesus said to the good thief "tonight you will be with me in paradise" this means he will be in a "life review", their evidence being that the Bible uses the word "paradise" which sounds like two Latin words "para dice" which mean "to be told". So basically that the word used in a translation sounds like a word in a language the original text wasn't written in and that signifies the actual meaning of the text. Funnily enough they tell others that they aren't being logical due to "ego" but haven't quite managed to perform the same kind of analysis of their own belief.

Anyway, I'm sure that anyone who is interested in actual etymology and the origins of words - which is a fascinating subject giving a great deal of insight into things, Indo-European languages coming from the same family as Sanskrit and using many similar or same words - makes a facepalm gesture when confronted with their "delusions of reference" as a psychologist would call it.
 

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For any genuinely interested in the truth, please see the link below to the "Ask a Muslim" website, where they are claiming that both "Bakkah" in Sura 3:96 and "Makkah" in Sura 48:24 were derived from the Hebrew word "Baca" in the Bible. They then conclude all three must mean "Mecca" without any basis for their conclusions.


Again, the word "baca" in Hebrew means "tears". So by their own admission, both "bakkah" and "makkah" were originally "baca" (or in Arabic "baka"), which has absolutely NOTHING to do with "Mecca". Again, the Valley of Baca was the Valley of TEARS that Abraham and Isaac traveled through to get to Mt. Moriah, where by Abraham became a "friend of God" by his willingness to place no one above God (not even his own miracle son, Isaac).

A forum (Discover True Islam) where "Muslims" are arguing over what "Makkah" means. It was forwarded that translated into English it means "destruction" rather than "Mecca":

Another website admitting that nowhere in the Koran does it instruct us to pray towards Mecca:

Several well-documented articles that indicate according to historical records and archaelogy of Arabia, Mecca Did Not Exist Before the 4th century A.D (much like the town of Nazareth):

How could Mecca be "the mother of cities" when there were other, well-documented cities THOUSANDS of years before Mecca?

How much more obvious does it need to be that there is no mention, directly or indirectly in the Koran (Quran) to the pagan, idolatrous city of Mecca, that fought AGAINST Muhammad (peace be upon him)?

There is not one single verse in the Koran (Quran) that instructs anyone to pray five times a day.
There is not one single verse in the Koran (Quran) that instruct anyone to pray facing Mecca.
There is not one single verse in the Koran (Quran) that instruct anyone to pray in public. In fact, that practice is repeatedly CONDEMNED in the Koran (see Sura 4:142, 7:55, 33:33).
There is not one single verse in the Koran (Quran) that instruct anyone to go to a mosque. In fact, that practice is repeatedly CONDEMNED in the Koran (see Sura 4:142, 7:55, 9:107-111, 33:33).
And truthfully, there is not one single reference in the Holy Koran (Quran) to the city of Mecca by name nor by implication. ALL references, in the Holy Koran, to the City of Peace refer to Jerusalem NOT to Mecca. The word Mecca does not mean the City of Peace, the word Jerusalem DOES mean City of Peace in Hebrew.

God didn't provide us with multiple Holy Places here on Earth. The Holy Place is, and always has been, Mt. Moriah, near Jerusalem, where Abraham sacrificed his miracle son ISAAC , exactly as it says in the Bible and in the original, TRUE Koran.

There is a common misconception (another false teaching really) among adherents to the organized religion known as "Islam" that all of the writings within the Koran (Quran) have been perfectly preserved and that the Bible has been "corrupted", even though the Koran itself plainly states that is NOT the case (Sura 15:9-10, Sura 32:23).

ALL Scripture has built-in error correction, making it impossible for it to be corrupted. This error correction is described in both The Law and in the Book of Enoch (Idris), which should explain why evil men removed that Book from the Bible (to hide their evil deeds), even though there are references to Enoch/Idris found throughout the Bible and Koran which tell us that Enoch was the first prophet and the only one of us that was ever "translated".

Those very simple, built-in error corrections are as follows:

1) EVERYTHING in Scripture which is a life or death matter (including and especially our spiritual life or death) MUST have multiple witnesses (Num. 35:30, Deut. 17:6, Deut. 19:15) in accordance with The Law (God's Law, found only in the first five books of the Bible, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, which were GIVEN to Moses on Mt. Horeb in Sinai); and

2) EVERYTHING in Scripture MUST agree (Enoch 104:8-11).

Numbers 35:30 Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person [to cause him] to die.

Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Deuteronomy 31:24-26
31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this Law in a Book, until they were finished,
31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare The Ark of The Covenant of the "I AM", saying,
31:26 Take this Book of The Law, and put it in the side of The Ark of The Covenant of the "I AM" your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.


THE INCORRECT WRITING OF GOD'S WORDS PROPHESIED:-


Enoch 104:8 They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood (ch. 97:2); create a great creation (false religions and religious traditions and technology); and compose books of their own words (books of man-made legislation, rules, etc.; books of the religious traditions of their fathers; novels; etc.; etc.; etc. - ch. 68:13).

See also 2 Thess. 2:7-12, Sura 6:112-115, Sura 22:52-55 , Sura 25:31

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12
2:7 For the mystery (Rev. 17:5) of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the [Sword of the] Spirit from his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness [of the enlightening] of his coming:
2:9 [Even the Wicked], whose coming is the work of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of The Truth, that they might be saved.
2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not The Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Sura 6:112-115
6:112. Likewise We made for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and Beings (human+beings), inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone.
6:113. To such (deceit) let the hearts of those incline, who have no faith in the Hereafter: let them delight in it, and let them earn from it what they may.
6:114. Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than "I AM"? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you The Book (Bible), explained in detail." They, to whom We have given The Book, know full well, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. NEVER be then one of those who doubt (Sura 3:1-3, 15:9, 32:23).
6:115. The Word of thy Lord doth find its FULFILLMENT in TRUTH and in JUSTICE: none can change His Words: for He is the One who heareth and knoweth all.

Sura 22:52-55
22:52. Never did We send an Apostle or a Prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but "I AM" will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and "I AM" WILL CONFIRM (AND ESTABLISH) HIS SIGNS (Sura 32:23): for "I AM" is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
22:53. THAT HE MAY MAKE THE SUGGESTIONS THROWN IN BY SATAN, BUT A TRIAL FOR THOSE IN WHOSE HEARTS IS A DISEASE AND WHO ARE HARDENED OF HEART: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth):
22:54. And that those on whom Knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Koran) is the Truth from thy Lord, and that they may believe therein, and their hearts may be made humbly (open) to it: for verily "I AM" is the Guide, of those who believe, to The Straight Way (Matthew 7:13-14, John 14:6, Sura 3:55).
22:55. Those who reject Faith will not cease to be in doubt concerning (Revelation) until The Hour (of Judgment) comes suddenly upon them, or there comes to them the Penalty of a Day of Disaster.

Sura 25:31. Thus have We made for every Prophet an enemy among the sinners: but enough is thy Lord to guide and to help.


HOW TO RECOGNISE AND CORRECT THE MISTAKES:-

But when they shall write correctly all My words in their own languages,

Enoch 104:9-11
104:9 They (My words) shall neither change nor diminish (Deut. 4:2, 12:32, Matt. 5:17-19, Mark 13:31); but when all shall be written correctly; ALL, which from the first I have uttered concerning them SHALL CONCUR (John 10:35; Sura 15:9-10).
104:10 Another secret also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given Books of joy, of integrity, and of great Wisdom. To them shall Books be given (Rev. 10:7-10, Rev. 2:17), in which they shall believe (and Live by);
104:11 And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these (Books) shall acquire the Knowledge of The Straight Way (Matt. 7:13-14, John 14:6, Rev. 14:1-4, Sura 6:153-161).

This is how and why ANY additions or alterations made to the Bible or to the Koran stick out like a sore thumb, and how we can know when something has been removed. An example of recognizing something has been wrongfully removed is the Book of Enoch itself. Enoch (Idris) is mentioned in The Law (Old Covenant - Gen. 5:22-24, Sol. 4:10, Wis. 44:16) and in the New Covenant (Heb. 11:5) and in the Koran (Sura 19:56-57), and he stands out as being the only one to ever be "translated". If Father (God) raised Enoch to such a lofty station, shouldn't the Book that Enoch was given by Father be part of Father's Word? Doesn't ANY of Father's Word prove itself to be true?

Error correction: Sura 39:23 (further confirmation that all Scripture must be consistent with itself).

Sura 39:23. "I AM" has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of "I AM"'s praises (Prov. 1:7; 9:10). Such is the Guidance from "I AM": He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as "I AM" leaves to stray, can have none to guide.

Why the Koran was sent in Arabic: Sura 41:44 (because Mohammad was an Arab – same reason the Old Covenant was originally in Hebrew and the New Testament was originally in Greek). The Koran is a message and a warning FOR ALL MANKIND (not just Arabic-speaking people), as it repeatedly states (Sura 3:1-3, 4:79, 4:170, 10:2, 14:1, 14:44, 14:52, 17:89, 18:54, 21:109, 22:78, 29:43-44, 39:41, 68:51, 74:31-38).

See also Sura 14:4, 16:36

Several obvious alterations made to the Koran: Sura 2:125 and Sura 2:127, where Ishmael was wrongly substituted for Isaac by the Roman Catholic Meccans. Sura 3:96, where "Bakkah" was substituted for "Baka", and Sura 48:24, where "Makkah" was intentionally mistranslated.

Several obvious alterations to the New Covenant: Matt. 28:19 and 1 John 5:7, where "trinitarian" wording was added hundreds and hundreds of years later by the Roman Catholic church, which isn't present in the original manuscripts. See also the story of the adulterous woman in John 8 in some translations (including the KJV), which was also wrongly added.
 
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Seriously?

The real name of Japan in Japanese is Nippon/Nihon but english speakers call it Japan.

likewise the city of Makkah is called Mecca by English speakers.
From: https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/8ud1l9


No "Mecca" (Makka) and no "Bakka" in the Quran To Sura 48:24 and 3:96 A philological analysis

(Quran / Hadith)


http://www.imprimatur-trier.de/2012/imp120406.html



"If the mention of Mecca belongs to the original text, the entire first part of the Sura must be dated well into the second half of the eighth century. However, historical scholarship knows that in the process of copying even sacred texts quite often insertions are made that correspond to the "state of knowledge" of the respective writer. Is the mention of Mecca such a later addition or did it belong to the textual tradition? This question can not be answered at this time because of the lack of a critical edition of the Koran."


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Published in his two-volume, in 2005 Strasbourg dissertation entitled " Le messie et son prophète " [5] , is Edouard-Marie Gallez in section 3.4.2.2. (Vol. II, p. 311 ff.) On the spelling and meaning of makka in the Koran. Although he rightly notes that this word appears in a context in which the confrontation of two groups is reported ("C'est dans un contexte d'affrontement qu'apparatt le mot makkah "), it still does not come up with the idea that this word is not a place called Makka ( mecca ), but just this confrontation referred to, which the Koran clearly describes at this point. It is clear from the context that God intervenes between two groups that have fallen into each other and "averts" their hands from each other . Etymologically, the corresponding Arabic verb kaffa arose secondarily from 'akafa , which means (among others) ' turning around, turning away '. So here it is clearly a " melee ", a " physical confrontation ", as you can still imagine today - not only in the Orient. Gallez could have come to this meaning, especially as he had the word Ma'ka h (Pp. 313 f.) Is etymologically adequately analyzed by assuming an assimilated medial throaty 'ayn , which (according to a semitic phonetic rule) causes the doubling of the following k ( ma'ka> makka) . This corresponds to the Syro-Aramaic verbal root m'ak (squeezing, pushing, pressing ) [6] , which is still common in modern-day Arabic ( ma'ak ), and reflexive ( t-mâ'akû ) ( arguing, they have quarreled ) is dialectally familiar.


Despite this etymological insight Gallez remains in the conventional idea that the dispute in question , in a (alleged)valley (Arabic batn , actually " belly, lap, inside ") has taken place named Makka , but its location quite to look elsewhere than in today's mecca . Looking for this valley he prefers the traditional misreading Bakka (Sura 3:96) approach, overlooks the fact the Emendationsvorschlag the author ( op. Cit ., 2nd ed., 336, n. 352), and identifies this alleged Bakka with Psalm 84: 7 (p. 308), in which the "valley ofbâkâ '"( val de bâkâ ') (Hebrew b-'emeq ha-bakâ , Syrian, Peshitta: b- ' umqâ da-bkâ-tâ = through the" valley of weeping "=" vale of tears ") [7] the speech is. This valley is located west of Jerusalem (p. 308). Then the corresponding expression from Sura 3:96 should be understood as follows:


"Le premier Temple ( bayt ) ... est [le lieu-dit] aux larmes " (The first temple [ bayt ] ... is [the so-called place] of tears ).
 

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A very simple proof that the Roman Catholic Meccans substituted Ishmael for Isaac in Sura 2:125 and 2:127:

Sura 37:100-113 (Yusuf Ali - https://quran.wwpa.com/page/Sura-37-Yusuf-Ali)
100. "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"
101. So We gave him the GOOD NEWS of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.
102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"
103. So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
104. We called out to him "O Abraham!
105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
106. For this was obviously a trial-
107. And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:
108. And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times:
109. "Peace and salutation to Abraham!"
110. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
111. For he was one of our believing Servants.
112. And We gave him the GOOD NEWS of Isaac - a prophet,- one of the Righteous.
113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to their own souls.

Compare with:

Genesis 22:1-14
22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did test Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, [here] I [am].
22:2 And He said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
22:3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
22:4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off.
22:5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.
22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid [it] upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
22:7 And Isaac spoke unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here [am] I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where [is] the lamb for a burnt offering?
22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide Himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
22:9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.
22:10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
22:11 And the angel of the "I AM" called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I.
22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from Me.
22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind [him] a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering instead of his son.
22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said [to] this day, In the mount of the "I AM" it shall be seen.

Sura 2:125-127, restored to their original state, CONFIRMING what it says in the Bible (cross-referenced for convenience):-
2:125. Remember We made The House a place of assembly for men and a place of safety and take ye The Station of Abraham (Mt. Moriah - Gen. 22:2) as a place of prayer and We Covenanted with Abraham and Isaac (Gen. 17:21), that they should sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or use it as a retreat, or bow, or prostrate themselves (there, in prayer).
2:126. And remember Abraham said: "My Lord, make this a City of PEACE (Jeru-SALEM in Hebrew), and feed its people with fruits,- such of them as believe God and in the Last Day." He said: "(Yea), and such as reject Faith,- for a while will I grant them their pleasure, but will soon drive them to the torment of Fire,- an evil destination (indeed)!"
2:127. And remember Abraham and Isaac (Gen. 17:21, 22:2; Sura 37:101-102, 112-113) raised the foundations of The House (with this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.


Notes:
– Abraham never built a house of any kind; he dwelt in tents throughout his life (Gen. 12:8, 13:3, 13:18, 18:1-10, 24:67).
-- The "foundations of The House" that Abraham and Isaac raised was with the prayer that their service to God would be acceptable.
It had absolutely NOTHING to do with building a physical temple to house a black rock in the non-existent city almost a 1000 miles
away from where Abraham actually lived.
-- Neither Mecca nor the Arabic language existed before the 4th century AD, 2500 years after Abraham offered Isaac to God.
-- It was Abraham's righteousness in not withholding anything from God that established that spot (Mt. Moriah) as the holiest place
on Earth, where a thousand years later Solomon built the Temple that God called His House (1 kings 6:1-2, 1 kings 6:11-14,
2 Chron. 3:1, 2 Chron. 6:18-21, 1 kings 8:29, Isa. 56:7).

Making this one change though wasn't enough though to redirect tourist traffic to pagan Mecca; the Roman Catholic Meccans fabricated an entire alternate history for Mecca and for Abraham, Hagar and Ishmael -- all of which is a geographical and historical absurdity -- to go along with their fabricated Hadith.

It's amazing that roughly 2 billion people have abandoned what it says in the Koran (Quran) and fallen for all of these obvious LIES, making these fantasies partners with God and His Word, in direct contradiction to His Holy Koran.
 

A Freeman

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Where did God instruct ANYONE to manufacture, sell, buy or carry around "prayer beads"? Why would anyone need such an OVERTLY PAGAN BABYLONIAN trinket to remember to pray to God, which God said we are to do INCESSANTLY throughout the Bible and the Koran/Quran?



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She's right you know. Mecca is clearly in the Quran in surah Fath, verse 24.


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You can't see my cursor in this screenshot but i highlighted the word so you can see the English translation. It has a bluish hue to it as my cursor is on it.

Go verify it for yourself.



This post is for whoever can be bothered to read it, i gave up on trying to get through to Freeman a long time ago.
 

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The Romanized Arabic word "makkata" means "conflict" or "physical altercation". It very obviously does NOT mean "CIty of Peace". The Hebrew word Jerusalem however DOES mean City of Peace (Jeru - SALEM). See Sura 2:126.



Sura 48:24 very obviously does NOT refer to a city named "Mecca", which didn't appear on any map until the 10th century A.D., and thus wasn't even in existence during the alleged lifetime of Muhammad (c. 570 -632 A.D.), much less during the time of Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael, over 2500 years earlier.

It also is NOT interchangeable with “Bakkah” (Sura 3:96), as M's and B's cannot be substituted for one another in Arabic. Bakkah is derived from the Hebrew word “Baca” which means “tears”. The Valley of Baca/Tears (Ps. 84:6-7) received its name because it's where Abraham passed through with Isaac heavy-hearted, on his way to Mt. Moriah, to sacrifice Isaac, as God COMMANDED him to do, to test his faith.

Adherents to the corporate fictional organized religion that calls itself "Islam" would like everyone to believe in the fantasy that Abraham allegedly abandoned his miracle infant son Isaac, whom Abraham waited until he was 100 years old for, to trek across a thousand miles of some of the world's most inhospitable terrain, supposedly arriving at a desert wasteland, to build a pagan temple with Ishmael in the non-existent town of Mecca (see Sura 3:95).

They would similarly like everyone to believe in the fantasy that the non-existent city of "Mecca" is allegedly "the mother of all cities", i.e. "the mother of us all", as if this desert wasteland, which could not naturally support human or animal life, was somehow where Abraham and Ishmael called home, and where Abraham had and raised his other children, including Isaac from Abraham's wife Sarah, and Abraham's other children that he had with his wife Keturah.

Utterly ridiculous.

This word "makkata" appears only ONCE in the entire Koran/Quran. Conversely, Jerusalem (City of Peace) is mentioned in the Bible OVER 800 TIMES (and over 100 times more as Zion, as well as indirectly at least 28 more times in the Koran, IF it's properly read and understood). It's where God said He put His Name, His House and where His Servants are instructed to pray towards. Conversely, there is no mention of Mecca anywhere in the Bible or in the Koran.

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