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And what evidence do you have of any of these claims?It is a misconception to say that the first hadeeths were recorded by Bukahari (810-870 A.D.), and that to imply thereby, that Bukhari collated mere tittle-tattle or hearsay about the Prophet (peace be upon him), centuries afterward. In reality, the process of transmission and propagation of hadeeth was as rigorous as it was continuous.
Sura 3:79. It is NOT (POSSIBLE) that a man, to whom is given The Book, and Wisdom, and the Prophetic office, should say to people: "Be ye my worshippers rather than God's": on the contrary (he would say) "Be ye worshippers of Him Who is truly the Cherisher of all: for ye have taught The Book and ye have studied it earnestly (Deut. 27:26, Matt. 5:48)."Muhammad warned of several things which established the importance of transmitting his teachings reliably, among them being: (1) that those who made up lies about him will take their seat in hell, (2) that it is a sin to horde knowledge, and to be reluctant in conveying it to others, (3) that he, the Prophet, did not speak except the truth, nor speak from his own inclination, but of he that sent him, and (4) that it is an obligation on every Muslim to seek knowledge.
Is there any evidence that these "oral traditions" were written down at any time prior to c. 850 A.D.?Companions recorded hadeeth in the life of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and in some cases, the Prophet (570-632 A.D.) dictated hadeeth to them himself.
Is there any evidence outside the organized religion known as Islam, to verify ANY of this?The Prophet encouraged those who studied in his presence to convey knowledge learnt to those absent. Looking to those companions from whom hadeeth are often narrated, we will see that they each had several students, some of whom wrote and compiled these hadeeth in booklets. For instance, at least 9 students of Abu Huraira, one of the most prolific narrators of hadeeth, wrote down hadeeth from him. Students of such intimate companions and family members of the Prophet as Anas ibn Malik, Aisha, and Ibn Abbas, also transmitted the hadeeths they were taught by their teachers, in written form. Besides the writing of hadeeth, companions mainly 'transmitted' hadeeth in two other ways: through memorisation, and through practice.
Al Azami, a contemporary hadeeth scholar, details extensively the scholars resposible for the transmission of hadeeth in the first few centuries of Islam in his 'Studies in Early Hadeeth Literature':
- 50 companions, that were the contemporaries of the Prophet, recorded hadeeth.
- 87 scholars recorded hadeeth in the late first, and early second, centuries (dates given according to Hijri calendar, A.H.).
- In the early second century, 251 scholars collected and recorded hadeeth.
- In summation, this means that 437 scholars recorded hadeeth in the first three centuries of Islam (there are likely more who we do not know of), all of whom lived and died before 250 A.H.
Al-Azami said, "I have established in my doctoral thesis Studies in early Hadeeth Literature that even in the first century of the Hijra many hundreds of booklets of hadeeth were in circulation. If we add another hundred years, it would be difficult to enumerate the quantity of booklets and books, which were in circulation. Even by the most conservative estimate they were many thousands." [Studies in Hadeeth Methodology and Literature (p.64)]
“These books were not destroyed nor did they perish, but (they) were absorbed into the work of later authors. When the encyclopedia-type books were produced scholars did not feel the necessity to keep the early books or booklets and so slowly they disappeared." [Studies in Hadeeth Methodology and Literature, p.64]
Did you mean Sura 4:64 instead please? Because Sura 4:46-50 states the following, which seems interesting, particularly given the fact the "Jews" make the same false claims about their "oral traditions" (Talmud) being Divinely inspired as the "Muslims" do about their "oral traditions" (Sunnah/Hadith):Three important verses highlight the importance of following the sunnah:
And in no way have We sent any Messenger except that he should be obeyed, by the permission of Allah; and if, as they have done an injustice to themselves, they had come to you, so (had) asked forgiveness from Allah, and the Messenger (had) asked forgiveness for them, indeed they would have found Allah Superbly Relenting, Ever-Merciful.
-- Quran 4:46
Sura 4:46-50
4:46. Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: "We hear and we disobey"; and "Hear what is NOT heard"; and "Pay attention to us"; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: "We hear and we obey"; and "Do hear"; and "Do look at us": it would have been better for them, and more proper; but God hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and only few of them will believe.
4:47. O ye People of The Book! Believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming what was (already) with you, before We change the face and fame of some (of you) beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of God MUST be carried out.
4:48. God forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with God is to devise a sin most heinous indeed.
4:49. Hast thou not turned thy vision to those who claim sanctity for themselves? Nay- but God doth sanctify whom He pleaseth. But never will they fail to receive justice in the least little thing.
4:50. Behold! how they invent a lie against God! But that by itself is a manifest sin!
Sura 4:64. We did not send (past tense) an Apostle, except to be obeyed (past tense), in accordance with the Will of God. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked God's forgiveness, and THE Messenger had asked forgiveness for them (Mark 2:5-10, 1 Tim. 2:5), they would have found God indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.
Mark 2:5-10
2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
2:6 But there were certain of the lawyers sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
2:7 Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
2:9 Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, [Thy] sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of Man hath power on Earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] ONE God, and One mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ;
Please note well there is no mention of any "oral traditions", or prophecy that they would come, or that any of those oral traditions of men were God's Decisions.But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.
-- Quran 4:65
Of course you are wrong. And there is still no mention of any "oral traditions" or that any such traditions of men were sent by Allah or any of His Messengers, including THE Messenger (Christ, Who previously was incarnated in the body of Jesus).He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).
-- Quran 4:80
The Messenger, refers, of course, to Muhammad. It does not refer to Jesus.
Sura 4:80-81
4:80. He who obeys the Messenger, obeys God. But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).
4:81. They have "Obedience" on their lips; but when they leave thee, a section of them meditate all night on things very different from what thou tellest them. But God records their nightly (plots): so keep clear of them, and put thy trust in God, and enough is God as a disposer of affairs.
Matthew 15:7-9
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made "laws"/legislation/traditions).
Matthew 15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
You have very deceitfully added Muhammed to the above verse. Are you claiming that Muhammad was without sin (did not err)? If we look at that passage honestly, it becomes self-evident it is referring to Christ..By the star when it descends, Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. It is not but a revelation revealed,
-- Quran 53:1-4
The above is analogous to John 12:49. Messengers do not speak out of their own desires, but those of God.
Sura 53:1-3
53:1. By the Star when it goes down,-
53:2. Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.
53:3. Nor does he say (anything) of (his own) Desire.
Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a "Star" (beam/ Being of Light) fall from heaven unto the Earth: and to HIM was given the key of the Bottomless Pit.
King of kings' Bible - Revelation 30:16 ( 22:16 KJV) And there was great Light and there stood before me the Saviour, the Christ. And he spake thus, that I may know the authority of the angel. And bade "Watch for the 'Star' that was foretold by the Prophet Jacob, that you will know the time of the Second Coming (Sura 43:61), when I will enter all hearts. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the communities. I am the root (source) and the successor of David (Eze. 21:27), [and] the bright and Morning Star."
John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I HAVE CALLED YOU FRIENDS; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
John 6:38-39
6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the Will of Him that sent me.
6:39 And this is the Father's Will which hath sent me, that of all which He hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the Last Day.
John 7:15-19
7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man "Letters", having never been taught (Sura 7:157-158)?
7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.
7:17 If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.
7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh His glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
7:19 Did not Moses give you The Law, and [yet] none of you keepeth The Law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Sura 7:157-158
7:157. Those who follow The Apostle, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures - the Bible),- in The Law (The Torah) and The Gospel (New Testament - Covenant);- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); he releases them from their heavy burdens (Matthew 23:1-4) and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe him, honour him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper [King of kings' Bible - John 8:3 (KJV - John 8:12)]."
7:158. Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of "I AM", to Whom belongeth the Dominion of the heavens and the Earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in "I AM" and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet (John 7:15-19), who believeth "I AM" and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided (by "The Way" - John 14:6)."
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am The Way, the Truth, and the Life: NOT one man cometh unto the Father, EXCEPT by me.
No one can come to Father (God) except by following THE One and ONLY Example we have in Christ, which is SUPERIOR to those without faith (Sura 3:55).