What does the Koran actually say about prayer?

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...I can't in all seriousness, have a conversation with someone who defends zionism. I'm not patient and informed enough to nicely tell a zionist what Baal actually is and who used to, and still does, worship it.
If you approve or participate in terror or/and attack against Israel... God consider you an evil neighbour.
 

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When the counterfeit Jewish state of Israel in the Middle East -- 95% of which are not even Semitic -- attacks its neighbors, does God consider the counterfeit Jews are just being neighborly?

And what did Christ say about them?

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but do LIE; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 

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When the counterfeit Jewish state of Israel in the Middle East -- 95% of which are not even Semitic -- attacks its neighbors, does God consider the counterfeit Jews are just being neighborly?
Jews in the state of israel today are just defending themselves in God's land.


And what did Christ say about them?

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but do LIE; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Pharisees were called brood of vipers by John and children of the devil by Jesus. And it was those religious jews who persecuted christians first.
 

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Where in the Koran (Quran) does it specifically instruct Moslems to pray (communicate with/call upon Allah) 5 times a day?

Where in the Koran (Quran) does it specifically instruct Moslems to pray in public or in mosques?

Where in the Koran (Quran) does it specifically instruct Moslems to go to a mosque for any reason?

Where in the Koran (Quran) does it specifically instruct Moslems to pray towards Mecca? Is there any mention of Mecca, directly or indirectly, in the Koran (Quran)?

Where in the Koran (Quran) does it specifically instruct Moslems to write and/or to read the Sunnah and Hadith (the collections of Sunnahs and Hadiths)?

If Moslems truly believe the Koran (Quran) is the inspired Word of God (which it is), then why do they insist upon doing the opposite of what the Koran COMMANDS us to do? For exampe, why don't Moslems strive to establish constant prayer, to never pray in public (to be seen by men), to never set foot inside a mosque, to read the Bible Law and Gospel, to NOT be in doubt of the true Bible reaching us, and to follow The Example of Christ (THE Messenger), which is SUPERIOR to all others?
Islam is not restricted to the Qur'aan. We must also believe in the Sunnah. The Sunnah is the actions, sayings and tactic approvals of the Prophet salAllahu alayihi wasallam. The Prophet salAllahu alaiyhi wasallam explained the Qur'aan and taught the details to his companions. As Allah said "we sent down the remembrance to you (meaning the Prophet) in order that you can teach them what is revealed to them". So the Prophet salAllahu alaiyhi wasallam taught them how to pray as he said in another narration "pray as you seen me pray".
 

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Islam is not restricted to the Qur'aan.
Understood and agreed. That is exactly the problem with the organized religion known as "Islam", whose adherents are NOT submitting to or doing God's Will.

We must also believe in the Sunnah.
Where in the Koran (Quran) does Allah tell us we must also read, much less believe the Sunnah?

There are no less than 30 references to The Law and/or the Gospel of Jesus in the Koran, where Allah instructs us to read both The Law (THE Sole/Soul Criterion for determining good from evil) and the Gospel, (which includes THE Example we are to follow: Jesus).

Suras 2:53, 2:89-93, 3:1-3, 3:48-50, 4:54, 5:46-50, 6:91-92, 6:154-157, 7:157, 9:111, 11:17, 15:9-10, 17:2-4, 21:48, 23:20, 23:49, 25:35, 28:1-3, 32:23, 35:25-32, 37:117, 40:53, 40:70, 41:45, 42:14-17, 45:16, 46:12, 46:30, 48:29, 53:36-47, 57:25-29, 61:6, 78:2

The Sunnah is the actions, sayings and tactic approvals of the Prophet salAllahu alayihi wasallam.
Are they? Why then did Allah not have Gabriel share a prophecy about the Sunnah with Mohammad (peace be upon him), nor tell us anywhere in the Koran (Quran) that we need to study such writings? What proof do we have that the Sunnah are actually the sayings and actions of Mohammad (who was only one of the many prophets to which Allah sent wisdom and enlightenment).

It is a historical fact that Mohammad Mustafa (peace be upon him) passed away in 632 A.D.

It is likewise a historic fact that Muhammad al Bukhari reportedly spent 16 years writing the Hadith and another 24 editing them, until his death in 870 A.D., over 200 years after the death of Mohammad Mustafa (peace be upon him).

Further, it is also a historical fact that this collection of writings not only contradicts itself in numerous places, but also contradicts the Koran (Quran) and the Bible, proving beyond ANY doubt that it is NOT from Allah.

This is, of course, very difficult for "Muslims" to hear and process, just as it is very difficult for 'Christians" to hear and process that there is NO "trinity" exactly as it says throughout both the Bible (John 14:28) and the Koran (Sura 4:171).

The Prophet salAllahu alaiyhi wasallam explained the Qur'aan and taught the details to his companions.
And part of that explanation was unquestionably that each of us should be UNITED to DO God's Will and BELIEVE His Koran, which states:

Sura 6:154-157
6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses The Book (The Torah), COMPLETING (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.
6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy (Sura 32:23):
6:156. Lest YE should say: "The Book (The Torah) was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by careful study:"
6:157. Or lest YE should say: "If The Book (The Torah) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23)." Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth "I AM"'s Signs (and The Torah - Bible), and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.

Sura 32:23. We did indeed aforetime give The Book (The Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel.

As Allah said "we sent down the remembrance to you (meaning the Prophet) in order that you can teach them what is revealed to them". So the Prophet salAllahu alaiyhi wasallam taught them how to pray as he said in another narration "pray as you seen me pray".
Allah very, very clearly instructed us to ESTABLISH CONSTANT PRAYER with Him IN HUMILITY and IN PRIVATE, facing Jerusalem (NOT Mecca, which is not referenced anywhere in the Koran, either directly or indirectly).

Establish Constant Prayer
Sura 2:277, 4:77, 4:162, 5:13, 5:58, 6:72, 6:92, 7:170, 8:3, 9:5, 9:11, 9:18, 9:71, 10:87, 11:114, 13:22, 14:31, 14:37, 14:40, 17:78, 20:14, 20:132, 21:73, 22:35, 22:41, 22:78, 24:37, 24:56, 27:3, 29:45, 30:31, 31:4, 31:17, 33:33, 35:18, 35:29, 42:38, 58:13, 73:20, 98:5

Compare with: 1 Thess. 5:17, Eph. 6:18


Praying in private/secret, not to be seen by others (Enoch 56:5, Matt. 6:5-6).

Sura 4:142, 7:55, 9:107-111, 107:5-6


Pray facing JERUSALEM (the City of Peace and Mother of all cities) NOT Mecca (Gen. 22:2-3, 14; 2 Chron. 3:1 & 6:20-21; 1 kings 6:1-2, 11-14 & 8:29-30; and Isa. 56:7).

Sura 2:126, 2:144, 3:96, 5:98, 6:92, 9:108, 14:35, 17:1, 22:6, 27:91, 42:6, 95:1-4


That is why there isn't one single verse/ayat in the Koran that specifically instructs us to pray 5 times a day.

That is why there isn't one single verse/ayat in the Koran that specifically instructs us to pray in a mosque. In fact, we are told to never set foot inside such a place (Sura 9:107-111).

That is why there isn't one single verse/ayat in the Koran that specifically instructs us to pray in public. In fact, we are told to never make a public spectacle of prayer.

That is why there isn't one single verse/ayat in the Koran that specifically instructs us to pray facing Mecca instead of Jerusalem. Jerusalem means "City of Peace"; Mecca does NOT.

This is being shared in the hope of UNITING all believers, who see and understand (spiritually) that the Koran is the inspired word of God, which is directing each and every one of us to read and follow ALL of God's Message to mankind, through ALL of His Prophets/Mesengers.

Peace be upon you.
 
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Understood and agreed. That is exactly the problem with the organized religion known as "Islam", whose adherents are NOT submitting to or doing God's Will.


Where in the Koran (Quran) does Allah tell us we must also read, much less believe the Sunnah?

There are no less than 30 references to The Law and/or the Gospel of Jesus in the Koran, where Allah instructs us to read both The Law (THE Sole/Soul Criterion for determining good from evil) and the Gospel, (which includes THE Example we are to follow: Jesus).

Suras 2:53, 2:89-93, 3:1-3, 3:48-50, 4:54, 5:46-50, 6:91-92, 6:154-157, 7:157, 9:111, 11:17, 15:9-10, 17:2-4, 21:48, 23:20, 23:49, 25:35, 28:1-3, 32:23, 35:25-32, 37:117, 40:53, 40:70, 41:45, 42:14-17, 45:16, 46:12, 46:30, 48:29, 53:36-47, 57:25-29, 61:6, 78:2


Are they? Why then did Allah not have Gabriel share a prophecy about the Sunnah with Mohammad (peace be upon him), nor tell us anywhere in the Koran (Quran) that we need to study such writings? What proof do we have that the Sunnah are actually the sayings and actions of Mohammad (who was only one of the many prophets to which Allah sent wisdom and enlightenment).

It is a historical fact that Mohammad Mustafa (peace be upon him) passed away in 632 A.D.

It is likewise a historic fact that Muhammad al Bukhari reportedly spent 16 years writing the Hadith and another 24 editing them, until his death in 870 A.D., over 200 years after the death of Mohammad Mustafa (peace be upon him).

Further, it is also a historical fact that this collection of writings not only contradicts itself in numerous places, but also contradicts the Koran (Quran) and the Bible, proving beyond ANY doubt that it is NOT from Allah.

This is, of course, very difficult for "Muslims" to hear and process, just as it is very difficult for 'Christians" to hear and process that there is NO "trinity" exactly as it says throughout both the Bible (John 14:28) and the Koran (Sura 4:171).


And part of that explanation was unquestionably that each of us should be UNITED to DO God's Will and BELIEVE His Koran, which states:

Sura 6:154-157
6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses The Book (The Torah), COMPLETING (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.
6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy (Sura 32:23):
6:156. Lest YE should say: "The Book (The Torah) was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by careful study:"
6:157. Or lest YE should say: "If The Book (The Torah) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23)." Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth "I AM"'s Signs (and The Torah - Bible), and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.

Sura 32:23. We did indeed aforetime give The Book (The Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel.


Allah very, very clearly instructed us to ESTABLISH CONSTANT PRAYER with Him IN HUMILITY and IN PRIVATE, facing Jerusalem (NOT Mecca, which is not referenced anywhere in the Koran, either directly or indirectly).

Establish Constant Prayer
Sura 2:277, 4:77, 4:162, 5:13, 5:58, 6:72, 6:92, 7:170, 8:3, 9:5, 9:11, 9:18, 9:71, 10:87, 11:114, 13:22, 14:31, 14:37, 14:40, 17:78, 20:14, 20:132, 21:73, 22:35, 22:41, 22:78, 24:37, 24:56, 27:3, 29:45, 30:31, 31:4, 31:17, 33:33, 35:18, 35:29, 42:38, 58:13, 73:20, 98:5

Compare with: 1 Thess. 5:17, Eph. 6:18


Praying in private/secret, not to be seen by others (Enoch 56:5, Matt. 6:5-6).

Sura 4:142, 7:55, 9:107-111, 107:5-6


Pray facing JERUSALEM (the City of Peace and Mother of all cities) NOT Mecca (Gen. 22:2-3, 14; 2 Chron. 3:1 & 6:20-21; 1 kings 6:1-2, 11-14 & 8:29-30; and Isa. 56:7).

Sura 2:126, 2:144, 3:96, 5:98, 6:92, 9:108, 14:35, 17:1, 22:6, 27:91, 42:6, 95:1-4


That is why there isn't one single verse/ayat in the Koran that specifically instructs us to pray 5 times a day.

That is why there isn't one single verse/ayat in the Koran that specifically instructs us to pray in a mosque. In fact, we are told to never set foot inside such a place (Sura 9:107-111).

That is why there isn't one single verse/ayat in the Koran that specifically instructs us to pray in public. In fact, we are told to never make a public spectacle of prayer.

That is why there isn't one single verse/ayat in the Koran that specifically instructs us to pray facing Mecca instead of Jerusalem. Jerusalem means "City of Peace"; Mecca does NOT.

This is being shared in the hope of UNITING all believers, who see and understand (spiritually) that the Koran is the inspired word of God, which is directing each and every one of us to read and follow ALL of God's Message to mankind, through ALL of His Prophets/Mesengers.

Peace be upon you.
Good question. There are verses I can quote but I will instead show you from another angle.

When the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam was alive then he taught his companions certian affairs. Any Muslim agrees that the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam in his lifetime should be obeyed. When he taught the Companions certain affairs, for example how to recite the Qur'aan, how to pray, the specifications of certain punisments etc, then they followed him salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam. Now when the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam died his Companions taught this to those who never met him. Are you saying it was wrong for them to teach what they learned? If so, why? The Companions who lived in different areas would accept narrations(hadeeth) from other companions even though they did not hear it themselves. Allah said "if a fasiq comes to you with news verify it". This means if a trustworthy person comes we accept it. The Companions were trustworthy because Allah said "he is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him". Those students of the companions likewise taught their students. Most hadeeths have around 3 to 5 narrators. If those indiviudals are trustworthy and known to be of those with strong memory etc, then we take what they report. Islam has a very detailed system for preserving these narrations unlike the Judaic system that has no way of identifying if narrators are trustworthy or not. Allah preserved the Sunnah as He preserved the Qur'aan. How was the Qur'aan passed down? Through the isnaad (chain of transmission). So if your going to reject the Sunnah because you say its like Chinese whispers or whatever other argument you may have then, cool. you should likewise reject the Qur'aan as it was transmitted in the same way! Sufyan ath-Thawri said "if it wasn't for the isnaad anyone could say as they want". Whoever rejects the Sunnah is a kaafir, period. Allahu yahdeek.
 

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Yes there is but one God but there are a lot of gods.

Angels are gods and so satan is a god.



It's just an expression of God's presence in the Jerusalem temple.



Right but a god who wants to be like God can fool a lot of people.
There is no such thing as a "Wahhabi". Al-Wahhab is a name of Allah. Allah mentions the du'aa of the believers "verily you are al-Wahhab" meaning the Bestower. As for Kabbalist well that refers to those who believe in the Qabbalah. Do you even know what you are on about? Allah says, "do not say about Allah that which you don't know". Learn first akhi. Knowledge comes before speech and action. As Allah says "know La ilaha illah", indicating that you must learn first. Yes, we are proud to follow al-Wahhab. al-Wahhab is Allah. As for Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahhab then he is ABDUL Wahhab. This shows the jahl of those who use this term. Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahhab is a great scholar who wrote books about worshipping Allah alone and not worshipping graves. No true Muslim could read his books and disagree with what they contain of knowledge unless they believing in praying to others besides Allah i.e deviant Sufis who spin in circles like ballerinas and frequent the graves. Only Sufis use the term, Wahhabi. A term invented by the French who hated orthodox Islam. The term Wahhabi is used by ignorant non muslims, graveworshippers and Shi'ites.
 

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There is no such thing as a "Wahhabi". Al-Wahhab is a name of Allah. Allah mentions the du'aa of the believers "verily you are al-Wahhab" meaning the Bestower. As for Kabbalist well that refers to those who believe in the Qabbalah. Do you even know what you are on about? Allah says, "do not say about Allah that which you don't know". Learn first akhi. Knowledge comes before speech and action. As Allah says "know La ilaha illah", indicating that you must learn first. Yes, we are proud to follow al-Wahhab. al-Wahhab is Allah. As for Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahhab then he is ABDUL Wahhab. This shows the jahl of those who use this term. Shaykh Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahhab is a great scholar who wrote books about worshipping Allah alone and not worshipping graves. No true Muslim could read his books and disagree with what they contain of knowledge unless they believing in praying to others besides Allah i.e deviant Sufis who spin in circles like ballerinas and frequent the graves. Only Sufis use the term, Wahhabi. A term invented by the French who hated orthodox Islam. The term Wahhabi is used by ignorant non muslims, graveworshippers and Shi'ites.
Oh yeah, another instance of the wisdom of the Sunnites, who hate the people of their own faith due to some doctrinal differences. It's the usual "narcissism of small difference", just like the Christians and Muslims arguing over the terms "prophet" and "son of God", fighting each other instead of presenting any kind of unity against the forces which are truly destructive.

The Shi'a, at least the ones I've met, are open-minded and intelligent. The Sufi are great mystics. Hafiz and Rumi. My experience with Sunnites has been somewhat less positive, most of those of met are totally attached to the whole "my god is the true god and he's better than your god" stuff, reject other religions as legitimate paths and are basically caught up in dogma just the same way as the Catholics and Protestants are.
 

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Oh yeah, another instance of the wisdom of the Sunnites, who hate the people of their own faith due to some doctrinal differences. It's the usual "narcissism of small difference", just like the Christians and Muslims arguing over the terms "prophet" and "son of God", fighting each other instead of presenting any kind of unity against the forces which are truly destructive.

The Shi'a, at least the ones I've met, are open-minded and intelligent. The Sufi are great mystics. Hafiz and Rumi. My experience with Sunnites has been somewhat less positive, most of those of met are totally attached to the whole "my god is the true god and he's better than your god" stuff, reject other religions as legitimate paths and are basically caught up in dogma just the same way as the Catholics and Protestants are.
Depends what you mean by "Sunnis". Not everyone who says they are Sunni are Sunni. Sunni refers to someone from Ahlul Sunnah wal-Jama'ah. There is only Ahlul Sunnah and Ahlul Bidah. You are either Sunni or an innovator.

The last time I checked the Shi’ites have multiple sects. Thousands in fact. Allah says “

"Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become SHIA (sects) every group rejoicing in what it has”.


Secondly, The Prophet salAllahu ‘alaiyhi wasallam said his Ummah would be divided into 73 sects. 72 in the Hellfire, 1 in Jannah. The companions asked about who the saved group was and asked, “who are they oh Messenger of Allah”. He said, “those who are upon what I am upon today and my companions”. So it is not surprising that there are many sects because this was already prophesized! This only proves that the messengership of the Prophet salAllahu ‘alaiyhi wasallam is the truth, so yeah, don’t get how this supports your argument bro, but anyway...


Your understanding that we should just unite is nonsense. This is what those in power WANT us to do. They want us to sweep our differences under the rug and become one world, one global community, one religion. Allah says “unite on good and taqwa (fear of God). Allah didn’t say unite upon humanism.


Yes, we do reject other religions. Only one religion can be correct. Allah says. “This i My straight path follow IT and do not follow other paths because they will separate you from this path”. There is no tolerance towards disbelief. Yes, we treat others well and be polite and have good manners and justice but we don't tolerate their misguidance and say it is OK.

The Shi'ites were started by a Jew. Abdullah ibn Saba. They were created by the Jews to deter people from the path of God.

As for the Sufis they worship others besides Allah and brought Freemasonry to the West via Ibn Arabi al-Kaafir.

Allahu yahdeek.
 
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Firsty, the last time I checked the Shi’ites have multiple sects. Thousands in fact. Allah says “

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become SHIA (sects) every group rejoicing in what it has”.


Secondly, The Prophet salAllahu ‘alaiyhi wasallam said his Ummah would be divided into 73 sects. 72 in the Hellfire, 1 in Jannah. The companions asked “who are they oh Messenger of Allah”. He said, “those who are upon what I am upon today and my companions”. So it is not surprising that there are many sects because this was already prophesied! This only proves that messengership of the Prophet salAllahu ‘alaiyhi wasallam so yeah, don’t get how this supports your argument bro, but anyway...


Your understanding that we should just unite is nonsense. This is what the Elite WANT us to do. Sweep our differences under the rug and become One world, one system, one religion. Allah says “unite on good and taqwa (fear of God). Allah didn’t say unite upon humanism.


Yes, we do reject other religions. Only one religion can be correct. Allah says. “This i My straight path follow IT and do not follow other paths because they will separate you from this path”.

The Shi'ites were started by a Jew. Abdullah ibn Saba. They were created by the Jews to deter people from the path of God.

As for the Sufis they worship others besides Allah and brought Freemasonry to the West via Ibn Arabi al-Kaafir.

Allahu yahdeek.
From the Shi'a perspective, so far as I understand it, the Sunnis are exotericists who haven't grasped the deeper esoteric truth. There are a couple of different currents in Shi'ism, major ones anyway, and then obviously various offshoots as happens with all religions. It's not like the Sunnis themselves are all on the same page doctrinally anyway.

I met someone who was a Shi'a on here, and he had a lot of respect for the esoteric side of all religions. Of course to the intellect it seems like there is all kinds of division between the different religious ideas, but in their core they are all the same truth, expressed in different ways for different spiritual and temporal purposes. I also read a little of Ali, and his words are very beautiful and powerful as only those of a genuinely awakened person can be.

As for this business about the NWO and their "one world religion", all I can say is "Demon est Deus Inversus". If all the spiritual people truly united this would be a powerful force for good. If all spiritual traditions become diluted with new age stuff, channeling, manifesting wealth etc., this of course will not be a good thing.
 

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From the Shi'a perspective, so far as I understand it, the Sunnis are exotericists who haven't grasped the deeper esoteric truth. There are a couple of different currents in Shi'ism, major ones anyway, and then obviously various offshoots as happens with all religions. It's not like the Sunnis themselves are all on the same page doctrinally anyway.

I met someone who was a Shi'a on here, and he had a lot of respect for the esoteric side of all religions. Of course to the intellect it seems like there is all kinds of division between the different religious ideas, but in their core they are all the same truth, expressed in different ways for different spiritual and temporal purposes. I also read a little of Ali, and his words are very beautiful and powerful as only those of a genuinely awakened person can be.

As for this business about the NWO and their "one world religion", all I can say is "Demon est Deus Inversus". If all the spiritual people truly united this would be a powerful force for good. If all spiritual traditions become diluted with new age stuff, channeling, manifesting wealth etc., this of course will not be a good thing.
 
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It is a historical fact that Mohammad Mustafa (peace be upon him) passed away in 632 A.D.

It is likewise a historic fact that Muhammad al Bukhari reportedly spent 16 years writing the Hadith and another 24 editing them, until his death in 870 A.D., over 200 years after the death of Mohammad Mustafa (peace be upon him).

Further, it is also a historical fact that this collection of writings not only contradicts itself in numerous places, but also contradicts the Koran (Quran) and the Bible, proving beyond ANY doubt that it is NOT from Allah.
It is a misconception to say that the first hadeeths were recorded by Bukahari (810-870 A.D.), and that to imply thereby, that Bukhari collated mere tittle-tattle or hearsay about the Prophet (peace be upon him), centuries afterward. In reality, the process of transmission and propagation of hadeeth was as rigorous as it was continuous. Muhammad warned of several things which established the importance of transmitting his teachings reliably, among them being: (1) that those who made up lies about him will take their seat in hell, (2) that it is a sin to horde knowledge, and to be reluctant in conveying it to others, (3) that he, the Prophet, did not speak except the truth, nor speak from his own inclination, but of he that sent him, and (4) that it is an obligation on every Muslim to seek knowledge.

Companions recorded hadeeth in the life of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and in some cases, the Prophet (570-632 A.D.) dictated hadeeth to them himself. The Prophet encouraged those who studied in his presence to convey knowledge learnt to those absent. Looking to those companions from whom hadeeth are often narrated, we will see that they each had several students, some of whom wrote and compiled these hadeeth in booklets. For instance, at least 9 students of Abu Huraira, one of the most prolific narrators of hadeeth, wrote down hadeeth from him. Students of such intimate companions and family members of the Prophet as Anas ibn Malik, Aisha, and Ibn Abbas, also transmitted the hadeeths they were taught by their teachers, in written form. Besides the writing of hadeeth, companions mainly 'transmitted' hadeeth in two other ways: through memorisation, and through practice.

Al Azami, a contemporary hadeeth scholar, details extensively the scholars resposible for the transmission of hadeeth in the first few centuries of Islam in his 'Studies in Early Hadeeth Literature':
  • 50 companions, that were the contemporaries of the Prophet, recorded hadeeth.
  • 87 scholars recorded hadeeth in the late first, and early second, centuries (dates given according to Hijri calendar, A.H.).
  • In the early second century, 251 scholars collected and recorded hadeeth.
  • In summation, this means that 437 scholars recorded hadeeth in the first three centuries of Islam (there are likely more who we do not know of), all of whom lived and died before 250 A.H.

Al-Azami said, "I have established in my doctoral thesis Studies in early Hadeeth Literature that even in the first century of the Hijra many hundreds of booklets of hadeeth were in circulation. If we add another hundred years, it would be difficult to enumerate the quantity of booklets and books, which were in circulation. Even by the most conservative estimate they were many thousands." [Studies in Hadeeth Methodology and Literature (p.64)]

“These books were not destroyed nor did they perish, but (they) were absorbed into the work of later authors. When the encyclopedia-type books were produced scholars did not feel the necessity to keep the early books or booklets and so slowly they disappeared." [Studies in Hadeeth Methodology and Literature, p.64]

Three important verses highlight the importance of following the sunnah:

And in no way have We sent any Messenger except that he should be obeyed, by the permission of Allah; and if, as they have done an injustice to themselves, they had come to you, so (had) asked forgiveness from Allah, and the Messenger (had) asked forgiveness for them, indeed they would have found Allah Superbly Relenting, Ever-Merciful.
-- Quran 4:64

But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.
-- Quran 4:65

He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any turn away, We have not sent thee to watch over their (evil deeds).
-- Quran 4:80

The Messenger, refers, of course, to Muhammad. It does not refer to Jesus.

By the star when it descends, Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. It is not but a revelation revealed,
-- Quran 53:1-4
The above is analogous to John 12:49. Messengers do not speak out of their own desires, but those of God.
 
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From the Shi'a perspective, so far as I understand it, the Sunnis are exotericists who haven't grasped the deeper esoteric truth. There are a couple of different currents in Shi'ism, major ones anyway, and then obviously various offshoots as happens with all religions. It's not like the Sunnis themselves are all on the same page doctrinally anyway.

I met someone who was a Shi'a on here, and he had a lot of respect for the esoteric side of all religions. Of course to the intellect it seems like there is all kinds of division between the different religious ideas, but in their core they are all the same truth, expressed in different ways for different spiritual and temporal purposes. I also read a little of Ali, and his words are very beautiful and powerful as only those of a genuinely awakened person can be.

As for this business about the NWO and their "one world religion", all I can say is "Demon est Deus Inversus". If all the spiritual people truly united this would be a powerful force for good. If all spiritual traditions become diluted with new age stuff, channeling, manifesting wealth etc., this of course will not be a good thing.
You mentioned how this Shi'ite respects the "exoteric side of Islam". Um there is no exoteric side of Islam. This is just nonsense that came from Gnosticism. I would ask this guy what is his proof that Islam has an exoteric proof? Allah says "say bring your proof if you are truthful". Islam is based on CLEAR evidences. Did the Prophet salAllahu ‘alaiyhi wasallam know about these exoteric truths? If they say no then I would ask then how do you know?! SubhaanAllah. Either 1) the Prophet salAllahu alaiyhi wasallam knew and didn’t teach his companions. This necessitates that he hided knowledge and was decietful. Authu billah. Allah said about the Jews “why do you hide the truth while you know?”. The Prophet is free of such a thing. 2) If he claims that he knows and the Prophet didn’t know then this implies that he knows of something about Islaam that he didn’t, salAllahu ‘alaiyhi wasallam. Exotericism has nothing to do with Islam. If it did then it would have been conveyed by Allah and his messenger salAllahu ‘alaiyhi wasallam.


In reality, exotericism this is used to twist the verses of the Allah just as the Jews did before the revelation of the Qur’aan. Allah said for example not to take interest and they twisted it so they could take interest from the gentiles. How did this occur? By EXOTERIC teachings. Some Shi'ite sects have twisted the meaning of many things in the Qur'aan to basically make up their own religion. Allahu yahdeek.


The claim that all religions teach good is wrong. Other religions teach to worship others besides Allah. Shi’ites for example worship Ali. Hindus worship Krishna and others. Allah said “verily Allah does not forgive that others are worshipped besides him but he forgives less than that to whom he wills”. This means associating partners with Allah, shirk is the worst sin. Therefore, other religions don’t teach good as is claimed by this Shi’ite because they teach the greatest evil which is associating others with Allah. Good is not something subjective. Good is what ALLAH says is good.


At the moment it is an ideological war that is happening. If a physical war takes place then we believe Muslims can unite with other people in certain scenarios. There is hadeeths about Musims uniting with Christians at the end of time to fight a common enemy. However, this is a separate issue.
 
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From the Shi'a perspective, so far as I understand it, the Sunnis are exotericists who haven't grasped the deeper esoteric truth. There are a couple of different currents in Shi'ism, major ones anyway, and then obviously various offshoots as happens with all religions. It's not like the Sunnis themselves are all on the same page doctrinally anyway.

I met someone who was a Shi'a on here, and he had a lot of respect for the esoteric side of all religions. Of course to the intellect it seems like there is all kinds of division between the different religious ideas, but in their core they are all the same truth, expressed in different ways for different spiritual and temporal purposes. I also read a little of Ali, and his words are very beautiful and powerful as only those of a genuinely awakened person can be.

As for this business about the NWO and their "one world religion", all I can say is "Demon est Deus Inversus". If all the spiritual people truly united this would be a powerful force for good. If all spiritual traditions become diluted with new age stuff, channeling, manifesting wealth etc., this of course will not be a good thing.
Why do you assume that every religion has some hidden, mystical element, to which the vast, 'profane' majority are not privy to, knowledge that must be reserved for an intellectually and morally superior elite?

Whatever hidden knowledge that belongs to god, and God alone, is not for the arrogant mortal to seek, thinking that he shall become like God.

Is it not enough that through God's wisdom, he has hidden that which he has hidden, and revealed that which he has deemed pertinent to reveal? To accept this is Islam, i.e. submission to God's will, not submission to one's own wills and desires.

In seeking the obscure esoterica, you will inevitably underestimate the value of that which lies under your very nose; that which God revealed, and made manifest to us, i.e. the worship of God alone, prayer, charity, fasting. Occultists always speak of "opening the third eye", well, what about opening your two eyes first?

Have you seen the one who turned away
And gave a little and [then] refrained?

Does he have knowledge of the unseen, so he sees?
Quran 53:33-35

He is the First and the Last, and the Manifest and the Hidden, and He is All-Knowing about every thing.
Quran 57:3

And whether ye hide your word or publish it, He certainly has [full] knowledge, of the secrets of [all] hearts. Should He not know,- He that created? and He is the One that understands the finest mysteries [and] is well-acquainted [with them].
Quran 67:13-14

The knowledge of the unseen belongs to God alone. The highest truth often lies in plain sight.
 
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It's not like the Sunnis themselves are all on the same page doctrinally anyway.
Not really. Muslims agree on all the fundamentals: (1) Believe in God alone, with no partners, (2) Establish prayer at its prescribed time, (3) Give in Charity, 2.5% of one's annual income, (4) Fasting in the month of Ramadan, (5) Go on pilgrimage to Makkah. Beyond that, disputes are largely political. No sect in the history of Islam has denied the Oneness of God, the Prophethood of Muhammad, or the Quran. Ask a Muslim in Jakarta, and a Muslim in Casablanca how they pray, you will see that their prayer is the same. God will judge Muslims in the matters on which they differed. But largely, the formula is known and accepted: Obey Allah, and obey his Messenger.
 

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Why do you assume that every religion has some hidden, mystical element, to which the vast, 'profane' majority are not privy to, knowledge that must be reserved for an intellectually and morally superior elite?

Whatever hidden knowledge that belongs to god, and God alone, is not for the arrogant mortal to seek, thinking that he shall become like God.

Is it not enough that through God's wisdom, he has hidden that which he has hidden, and revealed that which he has deemed pertinent to reveal? To accept this is Islam, i.e. submission to God's will, not submission to one's own wills and desires.

In seeking the obscure esoterica, you will inevitably underestimate the value of that which lies under your very nose; that which God revealed, and made manifest to us, i.e. the worship of God alone, prayer, charity, fasting. Occultists always speak of "opening the third eye", well, what about opening your two eyes first?

Have you seen the one who turned away
And gave a little and [then] refrained?

Does he have knowledge of the unseen, so he sees?
Quran 53:33-35

He is the First and the Last, and the Manifest and the Hidden, and He is All-Knowing about every thing.
Quran 57:3

And whether ye hide your word or publish it, He certainly has [full] knowledge, of the secrets of [all] hearts. Should He not know,- He that created? and He is the One that understands the finest mysteries [and] is well-acquainted [with them].
Quran 67:13-14

The knowledge of the unseen belongs to God alone. The highest truth often lies in plain sight.
There are things I simply cannot accept, in all of the Abrahamic religions, not just Islam. Predestination and the eternal punishment of "unbelievers" in particular, neither make sense. I have no problem with people fasting and praying, I think that Islam has a great deal of beauty in it, and when I travelled in Muslim countries I found the people to be very decent and hospitable, much more human than alienated and individualist Europeans. I just think that whatever religion one may practice, if one does so sincerely it is a form of "submission", of losing one's individual will in a greater will, overcoming oneself.
 
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I have no problem with people fasting and praying, I think that Islam has a great deal of beauty in it, and when I travelled in Muslim countries I found the people to be very decent and hospitable, much more human than alienated and individualist Europeans.
Your comment reminds me of Leopold Weiss/Muhammad Asad's observations when he first visited the Muslim world. Weiss was a journalist, of orthodox Jewish background, who wrote editorials on the Middle East for a prolific newspaper at the time called the Frankfurter Zeitung. He observed how the West had lost all faith in God, and how materialism and progress had become their new object of worship. And although he saw the cultural heights to which Islam had once propelled its adherents, he saw now (he was writing in the early half of the 20th century) how the light and grace of Islam was being eroded from the Islamic world, because they had descended into political sectarianism and cultural decay, and had abandoned the eternal values that Islam had called on them to uphold. He wrote a memoir called 'The Road to Mecca'.

Muhammad Asad, The Road to Mecca:
"In short, Islam gave a tremendous incentive to cultural achievements which constitute one of the proudest pages in the history of mankind; and it gave this incentive by saying Yes to the intellect and No to obscurantism, Yes to action and No to quietism, Yes to life and No to asceticism. Little wonder, then, that as soon as it emerged beyond the confines of Arabia, Islam won new adherents by leaps and bounds. Born and nurtured in the world- contempt of Pauline and Augustinian Christianity, the populations of Syria and North Africa, and a little later of Visigothic Spain, saw themselves suddenly confronted with a teaching which denied the dogma of Original Sin and stressed the inborn dignity of earthly life: and so they rallied in ever-increasing numbers to the new creed that gave them to understand that man was God's vicar on earth. This, and not a legendary 'conversion at the point of the sword', was the explanation of Islam's amazing triumph in the glorious morning of its history.

"It was not the Muslims that had made Islam great: it was Islam that had made the Muslims great. But as soon as their faith became habit and ceased to be a programme of life, to be consciously pursued, the creative impulse that underlay their civilization waned and gradually gave way to indolence, sterility and cultural decay."



"And it might well be, I thought, that we latecomers needed that message even more desperately than did the people of Muhammad's time. They lived in an environment much simpler than ours, and so their problems and difficulties had been much easier of solution. The world in which I was living - the whole of it - was wobbling because of the absence of any agreement as to what is good and evil spiritually and, therefore, socially and economically as well. I did not believe that individual man was in need of 'salvation': but I did believe that modern society was in need of salvation. More than any previous time, I felt with mounting certainty, this time of ours was in need of an ideological basis for a new social contract: it needed a faith that would make us understand the hollowness of material progress for the sake of progress alone - and nevertheless would give the life of this world its due; that would show us how to strike a balance between our spiritual and physical requirements: and thus save us from the disaster into which we were rushing headlong."
 

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Your comment reminds me of Leopold Weiss/Muhammad Asad's observations when he first visited the Muslim world. Weiss was a journalist, of orthodox Jewish background, who wrote editorials on the Middle East for a prolific newspaper at the time called the Frankfurter Zeitung. He observed how the West had lost all faith in God, and how materialism and progress had become their new object of worship. And although he saw the cultural heights to which Islam had once propelled its adherents, he saw now (he was writing in the early half of the 20th century) how the light and grace of Islam was being eroded from the Islamic world, because they had descended into political sectarianism and cultural decay, and had abandoned the eternal values that Islam had called on them to uphold. He wrote a memoir called 'The Road to Mecca'.

Muhammad Asad, The Road to Mecca:
"In short, Islam gave a tremendous incentive to cultural achievements which constitute one of the proudest pages in the history of mankind; and it gave this incentive by saying Yes to the intellect and No to obscurantism, Yes to action and No to quietism, Yes to life and No to asceticism. Little wonder, then, that as soon as it emerged beyond the confines of Arabia, Islam won new adherents by leaps and bounds. Born and nurtured in the world- contempt of Pauline and Augustinian Christianity, the populations of Syria and North Africa, and a little later of Visigothic Spain, saw themselves suddenly confronted with a teaching which denied the dogma of Original Sin and stressed the inborn dignity of earthly life: and so they rallied in ever-increasing numbers to the new creed that gave them to understand that man was God's vicar on earth. This, and not a legendary 'conversion at the point of the sword', was the explanation of Islam's amazing triumph in the glorious morning of its history.

"It was not the Muslims that had made Islam great: it was Islam that had made the Muslims great. But as soon as their faith became habit and ceased to be a programme of life, to be consciously pursued, the creative impulse that underlay their civilization waned and gradually gave way to indolence, sterility and cultural decay."



"And it might well be, I thought, that we latecomers needed that message even more desperately than did the people of Muhammad's time. They lived in an environment much simpler than ours, and so their problems and difficulties had been much easier of solution. The world in which I was living - the whole of it - was wobbling because of the absence of any agreement as to what is good and evil spiritually and, therefore, socially and economically as well. I did not believe that individual man was in need of 'salvation': but I did believe that modern society was in need of salvation. More than any previous time, I felt with mounting certainty, this time of ours was in need of an ideological basis for a new social contract: it needed a faith that would make us understand the hollowness of material progress for the sake of progress alone - and nevertheless would give the life of this world its due; that would show us how to strike a balance between our spiritual and physical requirements: and thus save us from the disaster into which we were rushing headlong."
Yeah Islam has definitely made an incredible contribution to the world's culture, weren't the first universities in Islamic countries? Of course it's a powerful force in resisting the materialism of modern "civilization". Though I think it is not immune from falling into decadence like all other religious teachings - I once briefly visited Brunei, where the sultan had spent vast amounts of money building marble mosques with real gold plating on their domes. To be honest they weren't particularly beautiful, they didn't give me the feeling of transcendence that one has in some old churches and cathedrals, and I imagine in mosques though of course I've only seen them from outside. Also there are all these Saudis promoting a very extreme traditionalist form of Islam (often known as Wahabbism, which you have already discussed a little I see) while living lives of great luxury, which to me doesn't seem like a genuinely spiritual way of living.

So if you don't like Sufis, you don't like Rumi?
 
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Yeah Islam has definitely made an incredible contribution to the world's culture, weren't the first universities in Islamic countries? Of course it's a powerful force in resisting the materialism of modern "civilization". Though I think it is not immune from falling into decadence like all other religious teachings - I once briefly visited Brunei, where the sultan had spent vast amounts of money building marble mosques with real gold plating on their domes. To be honest they weren't particularly beautiful, they didn't give me the feeling of transcendence that one has in some old churches and cathedrals, and I imagine in mosques though of course I've only seen them from outside. Also there are all these Saudis promoting a very extreme traditionalist form of Islam (often known as Wahabbism, which you have already discussed a little I see) while living lives of great luxury, which to me doesn't seem like a genuinely spiritual way of living.

So if you don't like Sufis, you don't like Rumi?
Muhammad Asad did speak of Sufism in the Road to Mecca:
My recent fever-borne remembrance of the whirling dervishes of Scutari somehow bothered me. It had unexpectedly acquired a puzzling significance that had not been apparent in the original experience. The esoteric rites of this religious order - one of the many I had encountered in various Muslim countries - did not seem to fit into the picture of Islam that was slowly forming in my mind. I requested my Azhari friend to bring me some orientalist works on the subject; and, through them, my instinctive suspicion that esoterism of this kind had intruded into the Muslim orbit from non-Islamic sources was confirmed. The speculations of the sūfis, as the Muslim mystics were called, betrayed Gnostic, Indian and occasionally even Christian influences which had brought in ascetic concepts and practices entirely alien to the message of the Arabian Prophet. In his message, reason was stressed as the only real way to faith. While the validity of mystical experience was not necessarily precluded in this approach, Islam was primarily an intellectual and not an emotional proposition. Although, naturally enough, it produced a strong emotional attachment in its followers, Muhammad's teaching did not accord to emotion as such any independent role in religious perceptions: for emotions, however profound, are far more liable to be swayed by subjective desires and fears than reason, with all its fallibility, ever could be.

As for the sultans and kings living in luxury at the expense of their people, that undoubtedly, has no theological basis. The Prophet (peace be upon him) left nothing at his death, not even a single camel or dirham. He and his household lived a meagre and humble life, and not in towering, ornate palaces. The rightly-guided caliphs who followed him, too, led ordinary lives, despite their statuses as heads of state.
 
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When the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam was alive then he taught his companions certian affairs. Any Muslim agrees that the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam in his lifetime should be obeyed. When he taught the Companions certain affairs, for example how to recite the Qur'aan, how to pray, the specifications of certain punisments etc, then they followed him salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam. Now when the Prophet salAllahu 'alaiyhi wasallam died his Companions taught this to those who never met him.
And what evidence is there that any of this actually happened? Better yet, where does it tell us in the Koran (Quran) that this is what actually happened, or prophesy it would happen in the future? Surely if Mohammad (peace be upon him) was meant to be the central figure of yet another, organized religion, it would tell us that in the Koran, would it not?

Further, WHERE DOES IT TELL US IN THE KORAN THAT MOHAMMAD WAS A PROPHET, i.e. someone who PROPHESIES?

THE KORAN CONTAINS NO NEW PROPHECIES, but was sent down as a WARNING to all who are “true in faith” to CONFIRM The Law (Torah, Books of Moses, found only in the Old Covenant) and the Gospel of Jesus (found only in the New Covenant) that came before it, as it says repeatedly throughout the Koran.

Sura 46:9-11
46:9. Say: "I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the Apostles, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I follow only that which is revealed to me by inspiration; I am only a Warner open and clear."
46:10. Say: "See ye? If (this teaching) be from "I AM", and ye reject it, and a Witness (Rev. 1:5; Sura 43:61) from among the Children of Israel testifies to its HARMONY (with EARLIER Scripture - JAH), and has believed while ye are arrogant, (how unjust ye are!) truly, "I AM" guides not a people unjust."
46:11. The Unbelievers say of those who believe: "If (this Message) were a good thing, (such men) would not have gone to it first, before us!" And seeing that they guide not themselves thereby, they will say, "This is an (old,) old falsehood!"
46:12. And BEFORE this, was the Book of Moses (The Torah - The Law) as a guide and a mercy: and this Book CONFIRMS (it - The Torah) in the Arabic tongue; to warn the unjust, and as Good New to those who do right.

See also: Sura 2:97-98, 3:1-3, 4:47, 5:51, 6:92-94, 6:154-157, 10:37, 12:111, 22:52, 35:31, and 61:6-7.

And with regard to prayer, shouldn't we simply DO what Allah and His Prophets have COMMANDED us to do rather than what men make up in direct contradiction to Allah's COMMANDS? How could doing the opposite of what Allah COMMANDS be considered submitting to His Will?

Are you saying it was wrong for them to teach what they learned?
Are you saying it is right for men to teach that which Allah didn't send down? Do you believe that Allah is the author of confusion (1 Cor. 14:33)? We ought to obey God (Allah, the “I AM”) rather than men (Acts 5:29), wouldn't you agree?

If so, why? The Companions who lived in different areas would accept narrations(hadeeth) from other companions even though they did not hear it themselves.
To keep their “oral traditions” (made-up fables, fantasies and stories found nowhere in Scripture) going, thereby making the Commandments of God of no effect.

Allah said "if a fasiq comes to you with news verify it". This means if a trustworthy person comes we accept it. The Companions were trustworthy because Allah said "he is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him".
Where did Allah say ANY of that in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and/or in the Koran? So-called “Islamic law” is CONDEMNED as TREASON against Allah by Allah Himself, in HIS LAW (Deut. 4:2, 12:8, 12:32), found only in the first five books of the Bible, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.

Those students of the companions likewise taught their students. Most hadeeths have around 3 to 5 narrators. If those indiviudals are trustworthy and known to be of those with strong memory etc, then we take what they report.
And who determines who or what is considered “trustworthy”? Wouldn't God's Word from one of His Prophets or Messengers ALL need to agree/harmonize with everything that was sent down BEFORE it, as God (Allah) says?

Again, what evidence do you have that ANY of the “oral traditions” are true? According to Allah, the Bible is not only trustworthy, but we should NOT BE IN DOUBT of it reaching us (Sura 32:23). So what do the so-called imams – who teach from the Hadith – tell us: the LIE that the Bible has been corrupted, and/or no longer exists.

The word “Satan” is Hebrew and means “the Opposer”. Anyone who says the exact opposite of what Allah says is a LIAR (devil) and is obviously working for Satan/Iblis, and NOTHING they say can be trusted.

Islam has a very detailed system for preserving these narrations unlike the Judaic system that has no way of identifying if narrators are trustworthy or not.
Neither Talmudic Judaism nor "Islam" have any evidence that ANY of their “oral traditions” (Talmud and Hadith, respectively) are the truth from our Creator. In fact, according to the Koran -- and THE Prophet Who is mentioned and emphasized above all others throughout the Koran – both the Talmud and Hadith originated from Satan, to make the Commandments of God of no effect.

Sura 3:55. Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to The Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

Matthew 15:3, 9
15:3 But he (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?

15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made “laws”/legislation/organized religious doctrines, dogma, rites and rituals).

Allah preserved the Sunnah
Allah didn't have anything whatsoever to do with Satan's Sunnah/Hadith.

as He preserved the Qur'aan. How was the Qur'aan passed down?
Mohammad (peace be upon him) was visited by Gabriel in a cave on Mt. Hira in 610 A.D. at age 40. Mohammad, who could neither read nor write, dictated the vision he was given to those who were with him, so everything could be written down. Mohammad then had them read it back to him, to check for mistakes.

Those writings were then compiled c. 650 A.D., under Caliph Uthman bin Affan, who had all other remaining transcripts destroyed. This could explain the alterations made to the Koran.

Through the isnaad (chain of transmission). So if your going to reject the Sunnah because you say its like Chinese whispers or whatever other argument you may have then, cool. you should likewise reject the Qur'aan as it was transmitted in the same way!
As above please. The Koran was written down as it was given to Mohammad. Did some people memorize it? Apparently so. Was that the sole method of its transmission? NO. Does the Koran tell us that the "oral traditions of men" will be later handed down in such a manner or that they should be heeded? NO.

By contrast, the “oral traditions” known as the Sunnah/Hadith came AFTER the Koran, NOT before it. Over 200 years later, these alleged "oral tradiitions" were allegedly written down over a period of at least 16 years, by people who had never met Mohammad (peace be upon him), nor any of his closest companions, all of whom had long since passed away. And then the Hadith underwent edits for decades after that.

According to Allah, the Koran was sent to CONFIRM the Scriptures that came BEFORE it, i.e. the Bible. NOWHERE in the Koran does Allah tell us that He will be sending down “oral traditions” or some “newfangled doctrine” afterwards. And no, despite other baseless arguments, there is no need to distinguish between the “oral traditions” referred to as “Sunnah” and the “oral traditions” known as the rest of the Hadith, because both are the satanically-motivated “traditions of men”, same as the Babylonian Talmud is.

Sufyan ath-Thawri said "if it wasn't for the isnaad anyone could say as they want".
Which is exactly what has been done, teaching for doctrines the traditions of men in direct violation of The Law/Commandments of God.

Whenever God sends down His Word/Message to mankind, Lucifer/Satan/Iblis turns it into an organized religion, to further divide and conquer us. When will we ever learn?

Whoever rejects the Sunnah is a kaafir, period. Allahu yahdeek.
Whoever rejects the Old Covenant, New Covenant and Koran is an unbeliever/infidel who will face The Fire on Judgment Day, exactly as we've been warned repeatedly (at least 300 times) throughout the Koran. That's why those who make the false claim as you just have about the Sunnah cannot back their false claim with Scripture.

May Father (God) bless you and guide you.
 
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