- Mar 14, 2017
are you winding me up? you're fully aware of the 'conspiracy theories' ..im not even going there.If there's no Al-Qaeda, who did 9/11, Mary Poppins?..
As for "the First Caliph of Islam", I've never heard of him, is his quote in the Koran?
Before the creation of the world... it was decided that the Son of God would pay the price for our sins.
So we can repent and be forgiven...
God blinded the jews because of their sins so they should kill His Son...and God went medieval on the jews as everybody knows.
are you winding me up? you're fully aware of the 'conspiracy theories' ..im not even going there.
As for the first caliph of islam and you actually asking 'is HIS QUOTE IN THE QURAN?'
again are you winding me up?
Isaiah the prophet proclaimed destruction on several cities... also Damascus which is sort of still a city. And in the rant against the king of Babylon there is hidden in plain sight the identity of the god of this world.the text is self explanatory
it's talking about the king of babylon..not satan.
There are more and more messianic jews every week... and in God's writ they will all repent at the appointed time.The jews carry on badmouthing jesus today, so I don't see any repentance there..
Same with career criminals and corrupt politicians etc, they carry on being bozos without repentance so they'll be going up the spout too.
Heaven is for CHRISTIANS ONLY, otherwise it'd be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood" if they started letting others in..
There are more and more messianic jews every week... and in God's writ they will all repent at the appointed time.
In every religion thread, all I see is people throw quotes of Holy Books..
Why must you see who's wrong and right when we can only know it for sure in the day of Judgement?
Rom 11 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:Haha Satan is saying to the suckers "Don't worry, you'll get a chance to repent and avoid hell, trust me, would I lie?"
Fact is, all nonchristians must repent and become christians BEFORE they die or they'll all go up the spout.
30 Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, 31so they too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you. 32For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone.
Who saves, Paul or Jesus?That's Paul the apostle of God talk.
Everybody who turns from wickedness and pursues righteousness and mercy before they die will find life righteousness and mercy.Who saves, Paul or Jesus?
Logic it out mate, suppose God lines up all nonchristians in front of him on judgement day and says- "Hands up all those who want to repent and become Christians and go to heaven", EVERYBODY will raise their hand like a monty python sketch!
Fact is, if anybody has rejected Jesus while they were alive, they're NOT going to get a second chance when they die, although of course satan would like them to think that..
You stated the following, which is total nonsense:what the hell are you on about? i quoted the Quran.
if you can't get a basic thing like that, you're not equipped to discuss religion. it makes sense why you follow this 'jahtruth' bollocks.
what you've quoted are not accurate quotations from the Quran or even the bible.
Where in the Koran does it tell us that wisdom is "part of the oral tradition" (i.e. the Hadith)? True Wisdom is from God Alone, THE Source of ALL Wisdom. And God most certainly didn't break His Law and have people add their "oral traditions" to His Word.Hikmah/wisdom is part of the oral tradition. The Hadith cannot capture the hikmah per se...but they also allow us to 'follow the prophet'
Except it was neither logical nor your original thought; it was derived directly from the Hadith, which repeatedly states it is this or that "tradition of the prophet" when, in fact (truth) it not only contradicts itself but also contradicts the Koran (Quran). What's worse is you know this to be true, and yet are still being dishonest about the source of your illogical comment, which you offered as "proof" that the Koran instructs its readers to read the Hadith, which is a very obvious LIE.
It may seem that way to the human you live inside of, who wrote this reply to defend its errant viewpoints. Humans see everything upside down and backwards because they have no facility to see anything spiritual, which requires spiritual wisdom from The Supreme SPIRITUAL-BEING (Allah, the "I AM").When you read the Qur'an you apply your own personal narratives to it anyway.
Agreed. And part of the beauty of our Creator is that understanding and application of His Word are CONSISTENT throughout ALL Scripture, because God is NOT the author of confusion; Satan is. That is precisely how it is possible to easily identify when some idiot/barbarian has tried to tamper with the Scriptures, because it stands out like a sore thumb.How a verse is understood and applied depends on contexts and requires wisdom.
Agreed. And yet it was altered by the Roman Catholic Meccans, to facilitate the creation of the organized religion known as "Islam", which has been a very lucrative business for Mecca ever since.For example the first major Surah in the Qur'an based on how it was compiled is The Calf..
That Surah talks a lot about Israelite history and their rebellion against Moses.
And yet the fact remains that the overwhelming majority (upwards of 95%) of those who claim to be "Jews", as most Israelis do, are ASHKENAZIS who are only pretending to be Jews.YET..due to current differences between Arab nationalism/fake Islamic revivalism and Zionist Israel...
The way a common Muslim tends tk interpret those verse related to Israel's transgressions ..tends to justify their current hatred against Israelis.
Agreed. All of which is further proof that everyone who reads the Koran (Quran) MUST read The Law (found only in the Old Covenant) and the Gospel (found only in the New Covenant) and learn to keep The Law and follow the Gospel.Yet when the cobwebs are removed ..there are many verses if not far more that refer to God choosing and elevating the children of Israel.
A "myth" is a LIE (falsehood/fiction/made-up story). Why would anyone need to gain (oxymoronic) FALSE wisdom (1 Tim. 5:20-21)?Personal narratives shape how we internet information.
Having an understanding of Islamic history, politics and spirituality based on how Muslims interpreted the Qur'an...is how you can maybe gain some of this mythical wisdom.
As everyone should be doing. If we were UNITED in reading the Old Covenant, New Covenant and Koran, and learning to put their teachings into practice -- asking Father (Allah, the "I AM") for His Guidance every step of The Way by establishing CONSTANT prayer/communication with Him -- this world would be cured overnight of the fear, hatred and division caused by Satan's organized religions.For me that Inc reading the Bible and taking lessons from history.
Most of the references in the Koran (Quran) to His (Allah's) Messenger or THE Messenger are to His (Allah's) Anointed One (Christ), NOT to Mohammad (peace be upon him). There are at least 230 references (direct and indirect) in the Koran to Christ. How many references are there to Mohammad? Four perhaps?However, the Qur'an clearly instructs Muslims to follow Mohammad and furthermore tells us he has been given the wisdom.
Nonsense. We are meant to properly discern right from wrong, and truth from lies/fictions, using the SOLE CRITERION for that: The Law found in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.Therefore the oral tradition is about relaying his words and acts to us aswell.
You're meant to take every source of information...and then use some common sense.
Do you understand what the term "cognitive dissonance" means please? It's when someone attempts to hold to two conflicting viewpoints in their mind at the same time.That doesn't mean it comes without its faults ie the hadith certainly are manipulated to some extent but common sense should prevail. I myself, am aware of the history of Sunni hadith. I find them valuable and relevant in many ways. Yet I can see through various hadith simply due to surrounding contexts eg political divide between the abbasids and Shia camp.
You don't because derp....because you don't know a thing.
Except that didn't happen, regardless of how many times you repeat that LIE.however what takes the piss the most is the fact you create your own quotes of the Qur'an and can't tell the difference between Qur'an and hadith. So when I quoted the Qur'an you said "what hadith is that?" Or something like that.
Says someone who (falsely) claimed: "muslims don't regard islam as a seperate 'religion' from that of previous prophets/messengers. different books, rules and practices don't make it a different religion."I can't take you seriously.
There is but one God, you are clearly a wahhabi or a kabbalist, "God used to sit"!, God has no need, to sit or anything else, and even if he did, absolutely nothing in the whole universe, single or combined, can dethrone God.This God wannabe would also sit on the mount of the congregation where God used to sit.
Muslims can't not believe in Jesus, or any other prophet (messenger). Fully agree with the other parts.Always. Always. And always. In every religion thread, all I see is people throw quotes of Holy Books. Believe what you believe, what's the point of this dispute?
We know the real enemy is, at least some sense of it. The Antichrist, Dajjal, Freemanson, Zionists whoever.
Their classic tactic is creating conflict between humankind, with differences.
From argument above both Bible and Quran state that we need establish prayer. Then do that, with our ways.
Why must you see who's wrong and right when we can only know it for sure in the day of Judgement?
If Christians believe that Jesus will save them, then be it.
Maybe Muslims just don't want be saved by him.
Just don't spread conflict and negativity. They thrive on that.