What does the Koran actually say about prayer?

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By the way, I was talking to Forever Light because he/she is obviously into the "JahTruth" thing, which has this whole wierd story about us all being fallen angels and the creation of the world as a prison for evil "spirit beings" who engaged in some kind of rebellion on another planet.
To me, the most important thing in all of it is the realization of the Truth, which is, that there is no god but God.

Realizing this to be the truth is what sets you free - including, but not limited to, being set-free from having to be subject to the whims of other imperfect created beings.

The "war in heaven" started because of people having fallen into the worship of a created being (an Archangel) in place of, or in preference to God (Love, Good and Truth; Light). As soon as that happens, those involved start to learn from (and therefore become subject to and complicit with) the imperfect created being which they are worshipping, instead of from The One True (Perfect) God or "Force", from which all that is created, springs and has its origin.

To my mind, it is what caused "the fall" - making created beings into false gods (which starts first with thoughts, and that then will inevitably will lead to imperfect words and imperfect actions) and worshiping (trusting) them implicitly (foolishly), rather than trusting (and therefore, worshiping) only the One TRUE God (Who is Perfect) and learning from Him, in every moment, how to be, and in all situations.

Christ said, ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.

Falling into worship (beginning with idolizing) of other created-beings (turning them into heroes and then into false gods) is the beginning of "The Fall". This to me, is the problem, and it is also the test, and has been a "key" realization for me, which I feel joy in being able to share with others, if possible.

If you look at the world, meaning people, it seems as if nearly everyone is STILL doing this in one way or another - worshiping and following after other imperfect (like themselves) created beings. Through this mistake, they make themselves subject to the whims (and faults) of other imperfect people - who ultimately, are the idols of their own making. Through that, others faults are taken on and you become part of it.

Is it easy to break out of "the habit"? No, but with God, nothing shall be impossible.

If that stopped, and everyone returned to just worshiping only God, everyone would be inspired to do the right thing and behave the right way towards others and the world (environment) itself. But, people don't do this.

For me, "the narrative" is given and it is there to assist. The ultimate goal, being redemptive (and thus meaningful) spiritual growth.
 






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The theme of this runs throughout, and can be seen in people from the start:

Exodus
20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that fear of Him may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God [was].
20:22 And the "I AM" said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
20:23 Ye shall not make with Me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.

Deuteronomy
5:25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the "I AM" our God any more, then we shall die.
5:26 For who [is there of] all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we [have], and lived?
5:27 Go thou near, and hear all that the "I AM" our God shall say: and speak thou unto us ALL that the "I AM" our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear [it], and DO [it].
5:28 And the "I AM" heard the voice of your words, when ye spoke unto me; and the "I AM" said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would respect Me, and keep ALL My Commandments ALWAYS, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

32:28 For they [are] a nation void of counsel, neither [is there any] understanding in them.
32:29 O that they were wise, [that] they understood this, [that] they would consider their latter end!
 






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To me, the most important thing in all of it is the realization of the Truth, which is, that there is no god but God.

Realizing this to be the truth is what sets you free - including, but not limited to, being set-free from having to be subject to the whims of other imperfect created beings.

The "war in heaven" started because of people having fallen into the worship of a created being (an Archangel) in place of, or in preference to God (Love, Good and Truth; Light). As soon as that happens, those involved start to learn from (and therefore become subject to and complicit with) the imperfect created being which they are worshipping, instead of from The One True (Perfect) God or "Force", from which all that is created, springs and has its origin.

To my mind, it is what caused "the fall" - making created beings into false gods (which starts first with thoughts, and that then will inevitably will lead to imperfect words and imperfect actions) and worshiping (trusting) them implicitly (foolishly), rather than trusting (and therefore, worshiping) only the One TRUE God (Who is Perfect) and learning from Him, in every moment, how to be, and in all situations.

Christ said, ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.

Falling into worship (beginning with idolizing) of other created-beings (turning them into heroes and then into false gods) is the beginning of "The Fall". This to me, is the problem, and it is also the test, and has been a "key" realization for me, which I feel joy in being able to share with others, if possible.

If you look at the world, meaning people, it seems as if nearly everyone is STILL doing this in one way or another - worshiping and following after other imperfect (like themselves) created beings. Through this mistake, they make themselves subject to the whims (and faults) of other imperfect people - who ultimately, are the idols of their own making. Through that, others faults are taken on and you become part of it.

Is it easy to break out of "the habit"? No, but with God, nothing shall be impossible.

If that stopped, and everyone returned to just worshiping only God, everyone would be inspired to do the right thing and behave the right way towards others and the world (environment) itself. But, people don't do this.

For me, "the narrative" is given and it is there to assist. The ultimate goal, being redemptive (and thus meaningful) spiritual growth.
Ok, sure, some of the stuff you are saying makes sense in a way. I agree that every religion is cultish to some extent or another, having strayed far from the essence of the teachings which were originally given. But aren't you, in setting up this John Anthony Hill guy as a mediator and "high priest" falling into exactly the same thing? If he were really some extraordinarily realized being then perhaps he could transmit some kind of spiritual force to his followers, but from reading his writings I really don't get that feeling, they don't reach me in the same way as when I read genuine scriptures (be they Buddhist, Christian, whatever).

All this thing about the "war and heaven" and everyone soon being cast into "the fire", it's not the proper interpretation of those ideas. The whole thing about the rebellion against God is the idea of going from a state of unconscious unity and innocence to a state of conscious unity and innocence, overcoming ego but not losing the individuality which we develop through embodiment. Of course, on the way there is a lot of suffering. What I'm trying to say is that there is a purpose to all of this, it isn't because of something which shouldn't have happened, as you are teaching. The human state is where we are given the chance to evolve or to regress back to animal etc and go through the process again. There is no definitive condemnation for failure.

You are talking about humans having previously been angels or "spirit beings", the point that you aren't getting is that in order to become an "angel", Buddha, whatever you want to call it, there is the necessity of passing through the human stage first.
 






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From: The Way home or face The Fire,
Chapter 4: The first test and regression to following Satan.


4:6 The simple story; of Adam (man) and Eve (woman), and the trees of the “Knowledge of Good” (God) and the “Knowledge of Evil” (d/evil); seems never to have been understood, by anyone on Earth, and yet it is very straight-forward, and easy to understand.
4:7 God walked in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, and talked with them, teaching them to eat (digest) the “Knowledge of Good” (His truth), and warned them not to eat from the “Tree of the Knowledge of Evil” (Satan’s lies), or they would die.
4:8 They already had access, to the fruit of the “Tree of the Knowledge of Good”, and were eating it, and, if they ate from the “Tree of the Knowledge of Evil”, they would then know that there was good, and evil, and become confused. In their confusion, they would never find their way home, and would die.
4:9 If they obeyed God, there would be no confusion, or conflict, in their minds, and they would learn only good, from God - the Tree (or source) of the Knowledge of Good (TRUTH), quickly and easily, and live forever. As they learned from God’s teachings, they would become more and more like Him, until, once they became enough like Him (like Jesus’ example), they would be pardoned and then released from this planet (Earth), and allowed to go home, back to their real homes and families, out in the Universe, and LIVE forever.
4:10 God was telling them: “In the day that you listen to that liar again, instead of to Me - eat from the Tree (source) of the Knowledge of Evil (lies) - you will die (Gen. 2:17 & Deut. 30:15).”
4:11 The serpent (Satan the liar/devil) told Eve that God was lying to her, and that if she believed him, instead of God, she would be like God, which, of course, coming from the liar (devil), was a LIE.
4:12 Eve believed the liar (devil), instead of God, and convinced Adam to believe the liar too, repeating, for a second time, the “original sin” that had caused the war, and, from that day; EXACTLY as God (the TRUTH/WORD - John 1:1-5) told them; people have been dying ever since. So God told you the TRUTH, as He always does, and Satan deceived you all, yet again (Rev. 12:9), as he still does today.
4:13 So the war, that Lucifer started in heaven, with his slanderous lies, has continued, in a war between good (God) and evil (devil), here on Earth, ever since, killing billions of human bodies.
4:14 By believing the liar/devil, instead of God, Adam (man) and Eve (woman) were calling God a liar/devil, and the liar/devil God. God says: “Woe to those who call good (God), evil (devil) and evil, good”.
4:15 Thus began the confusion and chaos, in people’s minds, that has continued ever since - the conflict and not knowing what is good/truth, and what is evil/lies (only that they both exist) and the ongoing insanity.
4:16 INSANITY is:- choosing to believe that a lie is true, and that the truth is a lie.
4:17 The ONLY way to LIVE, is to STOP listening to the liar/devil, and believe ONLY GOD, as Abraham did, and thereby, became the “Friend of God” (2nd. Chronicles 20:7 & Isaiah 41:8)(James 2:23).
4:18 Jesus’ true teachings are designed to “Reverse the Fall of Man”, by being “Born again as your spirit (Being - John 3:5-6)” – your real self; keeping the COMMANDments; DOING God’s Will (learning directly from God how to be perfect - like God, in His eyes, not man’s eyes). Jesus (the WORD/TRUTH made flesh - JOHN 1:1-5, 14) is also known as the “Second Adam” - to reverse “The Fall”, caused by the first Adam believing Satan.
4:19 In the Garden of Eden there was no work, only learning: everything else was provided by God.
4:20 Woman (Eve) created work, by listening to Satan, and has been doing so ever since.
4:21 God’s first COMMANDment (it is the first, because it is the MOST important) states that YOU must love God, first, above and beyond EVERYTHING else, and love Him with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength (every ounce of it - Mark 12:30), and Him ONLY shall you serve (Matt. 4:10).
4:22 Adam started a tradition, that has survived for thousands of years, which is:- loving woman first, and God (good) second, thereby breaking the first and most important COMMANDment, upon which all the others hang.
4:23 This has caused, and still is causing, most of the trouble in the world, and God will allow women to continue punishing men, with heart-ache, etc., until man learns to put God (pure love) first, and woman (sex) second, or he runs out of time: whichever comes first.
4:24 Man must learn to DO God’s Will, and not woman’s will, which is often actually Satan’s will (he manipulates the souls, that are locked inside women’s bodies, to pull the souls locked-inside men’s bodies back to earth, and keep them here in prison), or the world will continue to accelerate in a backwards direction (Amos 4:1 & Isaiah 3:12-24).

Revelation 14:1-4
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).
 






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From: The Way home or face The Fire,
Chapter 4: The first test and regression to following Satan.


4:6 The simple story; of Adam (man) and Eve (woman), and the trees of the “Knowledge of Good” (God) and the “Knowledge of Evil” (d/evil); seems never to have been understood, by anyone on Earth, and yet it is very straight-forward, and easy to understand.
4:7 God walked in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, and talked with them, teaching them to eat (digest) the “Knowledge of Good” (His truth), and warned them not to eat from the “Tree of the Knowledge of Evil” (Satan’s lies), or they would die.
4:8 They already had access, to the fruit of the “Tree of the Knowledge of Good”, and were eating it, and, if they ate from the “Tree of the Knowledge of Evil”, they would then know that there was good, and evil, and become confused. In their confusion, they would never find their way home, and would die.
4:9 If they obeyed God, there would be no confusion, or conflict, in their minds, and they would learn only good, from God - the Tree (or source) of the Knowledge of Good (TRUTH), quickly and easily, and live forever. As they learned from God’s teachings, they would become more and more like Him, until, once they became enough like Him (like Jesus’ example), they would be pardoned and then released from this planet (Earth), and allowed to go home, back to their real homes and families, out in the Universe, and LIVE forever.
4:10 God was telling them: “In the day that you listen to that liar again, instead of to Me - eat from the Tree (source) of the Knowledge of Evil (lies) - you will die (Gen. 2:17 & Deut. 30:15).”
4:11 The serpent (Satan the liar/devil) told Eve that God was lying to her, and that if she believed him, instead of God, she would be like God, which, of course, coming from the liar (devil), was a LIE.
4:12 Eve believed the liar (devil), instead of God, and convinced Adam to believe the liar too, repeating, for a second time, the “original sin” that had caused the war, and, from that day; EXACTLY as God (the TRUTH/WORD - John 1:1-5) told them; people have been dying ever since. So God told you the TRUTH, as He always does, and Satan deceived you all, yet again (Rev. 12:9), as he still does today.
4:13 So the war, that Lucifer started in heaven, with his slanderous lies, has continued, in a war between good (God) and evil (devil), here on Earth, ever since, killing billions of human bodies.
4:14 By believing the liar/devil, instead of God, Adam (man) and Eve (woman) were calling God a liar/devil, and the liar/devil God. God says: “Woe to those who call good (God), evil (devil) and evil, good”.
4:15 Thus began the confusion and chaos, in people’s minds, that has continued ever since - the conflict and not knowing what is good/truth, and what is evil/lies (only that they both exist) and the ongoing insanity.
4:16 INSANITY is:- choosing to believe that a lie is true, and that the truth is a lie.
4:17 The ONLY way to LIVE, is to STOP listening to the liar/devil, and believe ONLY GOD, as Abraham did, and thereby, became the “Friend of God” (2nd. Chronicles 20:7 & Isaiah 41:8)(James 2:23).
4:18 Jesus’ true teachings are designed to “Reverse the Fall of Man”, by being “Born again as your spirit (Being - John 3:5-6)” – your real self; keeping the COMMANDments; DOING God’s Will (learning directly from God how to be perfect - like God, in His eyes, not man’s eyes). Jesus (the WORD/TRUTH made flesh - JOHN 1:1-5, 14) is also known as the “Second Adam” - to reverse “The Fall”, caused by the first Adam believing Satan.
4:19 In the Garden of Eden there was no work, only learning: everything else was provided by God.
4:20 Woman (Eve) created work, by listening to Satan, and has been doing so ever since.
4:21 God’s first COMMANDment (it is the first, because it is the MOST important) states that YOU must love God, first, above and beyond EVERYTHING else, and love Him with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength (every ounce of it - Mark 12:30), and Him ONLY shall you serve (Matt. 4:10).
4:22 Adam started a tradition, that has survived for thousands of years, which is:- loving woman first, and God (good) second, thereby breaking the first and most important COMMANDment, upon which all the others hang.
4:23 This has caused, and still is causing, most of the trouble in the world, and God will allow women to continue punishing men, with heart-ache, etc., until man learns to put God (pure love) first, and woman (sex) second, or he runs out of time: whichever comes first.
4:24 Man must learn to DO God’s Will, and not woman’s will, which is often actually Satan’s will (he manipulates the souls, that are locked inside women’s bodies, to pull the souls locked-inside men’s bodies back to earth, and keep them here in prison), or the world will continue to accelerate in a backwards direction (Amos 4:1 & Isaiah 3:12-24).

Revelation 14:1-4
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).
You really expect me to believe that this does not conflict with the Quran?
 






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From: The Way home or face The Fire,
Chapter 4: The first test and regression to following Satan.


4:6 The simple story; of Adam (man) and Eve (woman), and the trees of the “Knowledge of Good” (God) and the “Knowledge of Evil” (d/evil); seems never to have been understood, by anyone on Earth, and yet it is very straight-forward, and easy to understand.
4:7 God walked in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, and talked with them, teaching them to eat (digest) the “Knowledge of Good” (His truth), and warned them not to eat from the “Tree of the Knowledge of Evil” (Satan’s lies), or they would die.
4:8 They already had access, to the fruit of the “Tree of the Knowledge of Good”, and were eating it, and, if they ate from the “Tree of the Knowledge of Evil”, they would then know that there was good, and evil, and become confused. In their confusion, they would never find their way home, and would die.
4:9 If they obeyed God, there would be no confusion, or conflict, in their minds, and they would learn only good, from God - the Tree (or source) of the Knowledge of Good (TRUTH), quickly and easily, and live forever. As they learned from God’s teachings, they would become more and more like Him, until, once they became enough like Him (like Jesus’ example), they would be pardoned and then released from this planet (Earth), and allowed to go home, back to their real homes and families, out in the Universe, and LIVE forever.
4:10 God was telling them: “In the day that you listen to that liar again, instead of to Me - eat from the Tree (source) of the Knowledge of Evil (lies) - you will die (Gen. 2:17 & Deut. 30:15).”
4:11 The serpent (Satan the liar/devil) told Eve that God was lying to her, and that if she believed him, instead of God, she would be like God, which, of course, coming from the liar (devil), was a LIE.
4:12 Eve believed the liar (devil), instead of God, and convinced Adam to believe the liar too, repeating, for a second time, the “original sin” that had caused the war, and, from that day; EXACTLY as God (the TRUTH/WORD - John 1:1-5) told them; people have been dying ever since. So God told you the TRUTH, as He always does, and Satan deceived you all, yet again (Rev. 12:9), as he still does today.
4:13 So the war, that Lucifer started in heaven, with his slanderous lies, has continued, in a war between good (God) and evil (devil), here on Earth, ever since, killing billions of human bodies.
4:14 By believing the liar/devil, instead of God, Adam (man) and Eve (woman) were calling God a liar/devil, and the liar/devil God. God says: “Woe to those who call good (God), evil (devil) and evil, good”.
4:15 Thus began the confusion and chaos, in people’s minds, that has continued ever since - the conflict and not knowing what is good/truth, and what is evil/lies (only that they both exist) and the ongoing insanity.
4:16 INSANITY is:- choosing to believe that a lie is true, and that the truth is a lie.
4:17 The ONLY way to LIVE, is to STOP listening to the liar/devil, and believe ONLY GOD, as Abraham did, and thereby, became the “Friend of God” (2nd. Chronicles 20:7 & Isaiah 41:8)(James 2:23).
4:18 Jesus’ true teachings are designed to “Reverse the Fall of Man”, by being “Born again as your spirit (Being - John 3:5-6)” – your real self; keeping the COMMANDments; DOING God’s Will (learning directly from God how to be perfect - like God, in His eyes, not man’s eyes). Jesus (the WORD/TRUTH made flesh - JOHN 1:1-5, 14) is also known as the “Second Adam” - to reverse “The Fall”, caused by the first Adam believing Satan.
4:19 In the Garden of Eden there was no work, only learning: everything else was provided by God.
4:20 Woman (Eve) created work, by listening to Satan, and has been doing so ever since.
4:21 God’s first COMMANDment (it is the first, because it is the MOST important) states that YOU must love God, first, above and beyond EVERYTHING else, and love Him with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength (every ounce of it - Mark 12:30), and Him ONLY shall you serve (Matt. 4:10).
4:22 Adam started a tradition, that has survived for thousands of years, which is:- loving woman first, and God (good) second, thereby breaking the first and most important COMMANDment, upon which all the others hang.
4:23 This has caused, and still is causing, most of the trouble in the world, and God will allow women to continue punishing men, with heart-ache, etc., until man learns to put God (pure love) first, and woman (sex) second, or he runs out of time: whichever comes first.
4:24 Man must learn to DO God’s Will, and not woman’s will, which is often actually Satan’s will (he manipulates the souls, that are locked inside women’s bodies, to pull the souls locked-inside men’s bodies back to earth, and keep them here in prison), or the world will continue to accelerate in a backwards direction (Amos 4:1 & Isaiah 3:12-24).

Revelation 14:1-4
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).
I still prefer the story about the heroic serpent taking on the curse of a demiurge in order to liberate humanity from a false paradise where "ignorance is bliss"... and the woman who had the curiosity for knowledge to eat from the tree...
 






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You really expect me to believe that this does not conflict with the Quran?
It doesn't, but there is no personal expectation that you'll see it that way.

If there's something specific that you feel is in conflict, please feel free to share it, so it can be discussed.
 






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It doesn't, but there is no personal expectation that you'll see it that way.

If there's something specific that you feel is in conflict, please feel free to share it, so it can be discussed.
-- Man was intended to dwell on Earth, before Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree. So being in this state of bliss and innocence was always meant to be temporary. "And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: wilt Thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not." (Quran, 2:30)
-- God indicates that the unique thing about man, out of all His other creation, is that he can learn. "He taught Adam all the names of everything." (Quran, 2:31) Although man was created weak and subject to desires, he can learn from his mistakes.
-- "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the dhalimin (wrong doers)." (Quran, 2:35)
-- “So he (Satan) misled them with deception.” (Quran, 7:22)
-- God knew, before Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden tree, that they would commit this sin. Their sin was not some kind of Pandora's box that brought evil and sin into the world.
-- Adam and Eve both bore equal responsibility for their eating of the tree. Eve did not tempt Adam; she was not the weaker of the two.
-- Their doing so was a mistake. They had not hitherto experienced the cunning deceptions of Satan. The sin, and the ensuing consequence served as an important lesson to all mankind about Satan's tricks and illusions, and about the consequences of sin. Satan was firmly established in this way as a clear enemy to humankind. "Children of Adam, did We not command you not to worship satan. He was your sworn enemy." (Quran 36:60)
-- The descendants of Adam do not bear the sin of their forefather. They are not punished for it. Every human is born free of sin. "No bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden." (Quran, 35:18)
-- God told Adam and Eve that heaven was no longer to be their abode. Their home was now Earth, for a fixed time. “Get you down (upon the earth), all of you together, from Paradise, some of you are an enemy to some others. Then, if there comes to you guidance from Me, whoever follows My Guidance shall neither go astray, nor fall into distress and misery.” (Quran, 20:123)
-- Adam and Eve repented sincerely after their sin. God forgave them in His infinite mercy. The prayer that God gave them with which they could ask for forgiveness: “Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If you forgive us not and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.” (Quran, 7:23) We may also use the same prayer to ask God to forgive us.
-- Adam and Eve's descent to Earth was not one of humiliation or degradation.
-- Earth is not our true home. We are here only for a fixed time. We will return to God in the hereafter, and go either to heaven or to hell. Heaven is for those who follow the guidance that God sends to Earth, and submit to God humbly.
-- "O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that be might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not." (Quran, 7:27)
-- The battle between good and evil continues on Earth. Each man is responsible for his own actions.
 






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Before reading what has been shared below, it is imperative that you clear your mind of any and all of your preconceived notions that the Bible and Koran contradict each other.

Father (God) has told us, in His Koran, that we MUST read both The Law (Old Covenant) and the Gospel (New Covenant) and to NOT believe Satan/Iblis, who deceives people into believing ANY of God's Word has been corrupted or will never reach them.

-- Man was intended to dwell on Earth, before Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree.
Agreed. Father is The Best Planner, and prepared the Earth for the arrival of humans (man, also referred to as “Adam” since he was the first human Father created), which were very obviously placed here AFTER all of the plant and animal life (and everything else) was already in place and had developed.

Genesis 1:27-28
1:27 So God created man in His [Own] image, in the Image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REplenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

So being in this state of bliss and innocence was always meant to be temporary.
Agreed. Had we OBEYED Father and NOT allowed the humans we live inside of to eat from the forbidden tree, we would all have been learning ONLY Good from Him and we would have all gone home already long ago. Instead, we have continued in the tradition of Adam and Eve, believing we are only human, and have suffered in confusion for thousands of years, not knowing how to properly differentiate between good and evil.

As long as someone believes they are only human, they will serve the creature they live inside of, rather than learning to control it, so it can be made to do Father's Will.

Bringing the body under subjection is really no different than breaking a horse. Before it is broken, a horse will not allow its would-be rider to mount, much less obey the commands of its rider. Once the will of the horse is broken, it will literally continue to its death if directed by its rider to do so.

It is therefore imperative to bring the body under subjection, so it can be made to do Father's Will, which begins with His Perfect Law, found ONLY in the first five Books of the Bible, namely Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. There simply is no other way to break the cycle that began with Adam and Eve, who believed Satan's LIE that they were “only human”, hence the reason why they suddenly believed they were naked.

As long as Adam and Eve KNEW they were spiritual-Beings, in the Garden state of bliss and innocence, learning directly from Father how to be good, they understood they were clothed with the human bodies they had been given.

Genesis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

After being deceived, they lost their spiritual sight, and saw themselves – through their human eyes – as being naked.

Genesis 3:1-13
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the "I AM" God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it (the tree of the knowledge of evil - the devil), lest ye die.
3:4 And the serpent (devil - liar) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
3:8 And they heard the voice of the "I AM" God [the tree of the Knowledge of Good-God] walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the Presence of the "I AM" God amongst the trees of the garden.
3:9 And the "I AM" God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?
3:10 And he said, I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I [was] naked; and I hid myself.
3:11 And He said, Who told thee that thou [wast] naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I COMMANDED thee that thou shouldest NOT eat?
3:12 And the man said, The woman whom Thou gavest [to be] with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
3:13 And the "I AM" God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

"And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: wilt Thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not." (Quran, 2:30)
A “viceroy” is a representative/ambassador sent by the monarch, in this case The King Ruler of the Universe (Father/Allah). And that's exactly what Adam and his descendants were meant to be.

Please note well this verse is CONFIRMING the placement of the (fallen) angels who fought in the war against Father and Michael into human bodies for rehabilitation purposes (“teach him to be like Us”). It even includes Father reassuring the two-thirds of the angels (spirit-Beings/jinns) of heaven that fought with Him and Michael against Lucifer/Satan/Iblis and his angels (the other third), that He knows best.

-- God indicates that the unique thing about man, out of all His other creation, is that he can learn. "He taught Adam all the names of everything." (Quran, 2:31)
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in Our image, and teach him to be like Us: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Although man was created weak and subject to desires, he can learn from his mistakes.

-- "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the dhalimin (wrong doers)." (Quran, 2:35)
Genesis 2:15-18
2:15 And the "I AM" God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
2:16 And the "I AM" God COMMANDED the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good (Truth) and evil (lies), thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (in confusion).
2:18 And the "I AM" God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

-- “So he (Satan) misled them with deception.” (Quran, 7:22)
Which was an executive summary of what we're given in Genesis 3:16-19.

-- God knew, before Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden tree, that they would commit this sin.
Of course. Father knows everything (Matt. 24:36). There is no other God.

Their sin was not some kind of Pandora's box that brought evil and sin into the world.
Had Adam and Eve obeyed Father, their children would have benefited from their example. Adam and Eve exercised their free-will, and chose evil/lies instead of good/truth, being deceived and therefore confused between the two. And, unfortunately, with the exception of Enoch/Idris, the entire world has followed in their footsteps.

-- Adam and Eve both bore equal responsibility for their eating of the tree. Eve did not tempt Adam; she was not the weaker of the two.
You have no basis in Scripture (Reality – Sura 22:6), for making that statement.

This is exactly why we've been COMMANDED in the Bible and the Koran (Quran) to read and become well-acquainted with The Law, which will NEVER be destroyed.

Sura 6:154-157
6:154. Moreover, We gave Moses The Book (The Torah), COMPLETING (Our favour) to those who would do right, and explaining ALL things IN DETAIL,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY, that they might believe in the meeting with their Lord.
6:155. And this (Torah) is a Book which We have revealed as a BLESSING: so follow it and be righteous, that YE may receive mercy (Sura 32:23):
6:156. LEST YE SHOULD SAY: "THE BOOK (THE TORAH) WAS SENT DOWN TO TWO PEOPLES BEFORE US, AND FOR OUR PART, WE REMAINED UNACQUAINTED WITH ALL THAT THEY LEARNED BY CAREFUL STUDY:"
6:157. Or lest YE should say: "If The Book (The Torah) had only been sent down to US, we should have FOLLOWED its guidance BETTER than they (Sura 32:23)." Now then hath come unto YOU a clear (Sign) from your Lord,- and a GUIDE and a MERCY: then who could do MORE WRONG than one who rejecteth "I AM"'s Signs (and The Torah - Bible), and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our Signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away.

Why do you think Father addresses Adam and his wife, if they are “equals”?

Why do you think the woman punished with the pain and suffering of child-bearing, if both she and Adam were “equally responsible”? Why do you think the protrusion in a man's neck is called the “Adam's apple”?

Why are the physical bodies of women smaller, slower and weaker than those of men if they are “equals”? Do you believe the spiritual doesn't manifest itself in the physical, so that Father can TEACH us spiritual lessons using physical examples?

-- Their doing so was a mistake. They had not hitherto experienced the cunning deceptions of Satan.
While in human form (incarnated inside of a human body/“Adam”). All of us experienced his deceptions though previously, in our free-state as spiritual-Beings/angels, which is what caused the war (Rev. 12:3-4, 7-9).

The sin, and the ensuing consequence served as an important lesson to all mankind about Satan's tricks and illusions, and about the consequences of sin.
Agreed (Ezek. 18:4, 20, Rom. 6:23).

Satan was firmly established in this way as a clear enemy to humankind. "Children of Adam, did We not command you not to worship satan. He was your sworn enemy." (Quran 36:60)
And yet everyone on Earth grossly underestimates his power and influence, even within their own minds.

-- The descendants of Adam do not bear the sin of their forefather. They are not punished for it. Every human is born free of sin. "No bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden." (Quran, 35:18)
Exactly as it says in The Law:

Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

And elsewhere in the Old Covenant:

Ezekiel 18:19-20
18:19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the inequity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, [and] hath kept all My Statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely Live.
18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

-- God told Adam and Eve that heaven was no longer to be their abode. Their home was now Earth, for a fixed time. “Get you down (upon the earth), all of you together, from Paradise, some of you are an enemy to some others. Then, if there comes to you guidance from Me, whoever follows My Guidance shall neither go astray, nor fall into distress and misery.” (Quran, 20:123)
While the spirit-Beings (angels) that fell from Grace and fought with Satan against Father and Michael were cast from heaven to the Earth, the Garden of Eden was here on Earth.

Sura 20:121-123
20:121. In the result, they both ate of the tree (of the knowledge of evil - lies - Satan's knowledge which, being lies, is not knowledge at all, just like the "so-called" knowledge that is destroying the world), and so their nakedness appeared to them: they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from The Garden: thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and allow himself to be seduced (by Satan because of listening to Satan speaking through woman, instead of listening only to God).
20:122. But his Lord chose him (by His Grace): He turned to him, and gave him Guidance.
20:123. He said: "Get ye down, both of you,- ALL together, from The Garden, with enmity one to another: but if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, will not lose his way, nor fall into misery (John 11:25).

-- Adam and Eve repented sincerely after their sin. God forgave them in His infinite mercy. The prayer that God gave them with which they could ask for forgiveness: “Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If you forgive us not and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.” (Quran, 7:23) We may also use the same prayer to ask God to forgive us.

-- Adam and Eve's descent to Earth was not one of humiliation or degradation.
Yes, it was. This will be covered in a separate post.

-- Earth is not our true home. We are here only for a fixed time.
Agreed.

We will return to God in the hereafter, and go either to heaven or to hell. Heaven is for those who follow the guidance that God sends to Earth, and submit to God humbly.
Did you mean “hell-fire” (The Fire) please when you said: “...either to heaven or to hell”?

-- "O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that be might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not." (Quran, 7:27)

-- The battle between good and evil continues on Earth. Each man is responsible for his own actions.
Agreed. It's the same battle that began over 6000 years ago, in heaven (Rev. 12:7-9).
 






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Who Lucifer REALLY is and why YOU should care
Along with the REAL reason for human life on planet Earth

Contrary to Strong's Concordance, the late 19th century periodical published by Moses Harman, and the Zionist-controlled Wikipedia and dictionaries—which are all WRONG—the name “Lucifer” does NOT mean “light bearer”.

Lucifer was an inhabitant of the Morning Star, which is a REAL planet. The Morning Star is home to Prince Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, Raguel, Sarakiel (the Archangels), as well as millions of other immortal “Beings of Light”.

Thousands of years ago, Lucifer organized and led a coup attempt to seize control of the Universe. He managed to recruit a third of the inhabitants of the Morning Star (angels) into his army, using LIES to CONvince them.

Revelation 12:3-4
12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman (Israel) which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - second coming).

Lucifer's lies were unprecedented, which is why they took the weaker-willed angels by surprise. No one on the Morning Star had EVER lied before Lucifer invented it.

John 8:35-36 (8:44-45 KJV)
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.

Lucifer's failed attempt to overthrow and murder God, so he could take God's Place as The King Ruler of the Universe, is a well-documented FACT.

Isaiah 14:12-17 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the Morning (Star)! [How] art thou cut down to the earth, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the North:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like (take the Place of) The Most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the person that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?

The title Satan is Hebrew and means “the Opposer” (God's adversary). When Lucifer became darkness and evil, he became the d/evil-LIAR, opposing everything that is truthful and good (Matt. 19:17). The great red dragon, devil and Satan are therefore descriptive terms Lucifer earned as a result of his criminal actions. A dragon uses its tail/tale to draw its victims into its clutches, and everything that comes out of its mouth burns its victims. A perfect description of lying Lucifer/Satan/the devil. He is also referred to as being a serpent, because everything that comes out of his mouth is poison.


The War in Heaven

Lucifer's coup attempt had to be put down by Prince Michael, known here on Earth by many names, including The Messiah/Christ, (the Anointed One/Heir to the Throne – Dan. 10:21, Dan.12:1-4, Col. 1:14-15, Rev. 5:1-9), and His Army, the heavenly host. When the rebellion against God failed and the war ended 6000 years ago, Lucifer and his followers were banished from heaven to the Earth for their TREASON against God.

Revelation 12:7-9
12:7 And there WAS war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what kind of spirit ye are of (Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22).

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into Everlasting Fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (YOU that do not DO God's Will):


The Prison-Reform School

Not executing Lucifer and his angels, outright, created quite a difficult situation. After making a study of the situation, God and the elders of the Morning Star decided to create a prison reform-school, far enough away, where, for the chosen period, they could safely try to teach Lucifer and his angels to be good, whereupon they could come home (Deut. 28:1, Rev. 2:28, Sura 29:6).

Lucifer and his angels (those who fought with Lucifer against God) had to be taught to keep the twelve laws of heaven; THE TWELVE COMMANDMENTS; ten of which were given to Moses on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20:1-17), and the eleventh and twelfth, which were given later-on, by Jesus; one of which God demonstrated and still demonstrates, i.e. “love your enemies into being good” (Matt. 5:43-48).

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in Our image, and teach him to be like Us (i.e. teach him to be good instead of sinful/evil): and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Every one of the convicts accepted God's most gracious and merciful offer to be rehabilitated inside human-animal bodies, except for Lucifer/Iblis, who arrogantly refused to submit to human limitations. Lucifer/Satan/Iblis then asked God for a stay of execution until The Day (Mal. 4). God granted Lucifer's request, to use him to test the rest of us to determine whether we were learning our lessons, or even paying attention.

That is why Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil, serpent, red-dragon) is still so powerful, and why we NEED God's guidance and help to “slay the dragon”, i.e. learn to stop listening to and getting poisoned and burned by Satan's seductive voice and smooth-sounding LIES.


The Testing Process

Lucifer/Satan/Iblis regards the rest of us as traitors to himself for our decision to submit to the re-education program, and has vowed to do everything within his power and to attack us from every conceivable angle (Eph. 6:12-18), to keep us from learning what we NEED to learn, and doing what we need to DO, to be able to go home. That is why he is now our worst enemy.

Sura 7:11-18
7:11. It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the (fallen) angels submit to Adam (human limitations), and you submitted (Luke 9:55); not so Iblis (Lucifer); he refused to be of you who submitted.
7:12. ("I AM") said: "What prevented thee from submitting when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire (spirit-energy), and him from clay (the dust of the earth)."
7:13. ("I AM") said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
7:14. He said: "Give me respite till the Day they are raised up."
7:15. ("I AM") said: "Be thou among those who have respite."
7:16. He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of The Way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on Thy Straight Way:
7:17. "Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: nor wilt Thou find, in MOST of them, gratitude (for Thy mercies)."
7:18. ("I AM") said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell-Fire will I fill with you all (Matt. 8:22).

Sura 15:26-43
15:26. We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
15:27. And the Being (of light) race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
15:28. Behold! Thy Lord said to the (fallen) angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
15:29. When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down into submission inside him."
15:30. So the (fallen) angels submitted themselves (Luke 9:55), all of them together:
15:31. Except Iblis (Lucifer): he refused to be among those who submitted themselves (to human limitations).
15:32. ("I AM") said: "O Lucifer! What is your reason for not being among those who submitted themselves?"
15:33. (Lucifer) said: "I am not one to submit myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."
15:34. ("I AM") said: "Then get thee out from here; for thou art rejected, accursed.
15:35. And the Curse shall be on thee till The Day of Judgment."
15:36. (Lucifer) said: "O my Lord! give me then respite till The Day the (dead) are raised."
15:37. ("I AM") said: "Respite is granted thee-
15:38. Till the Day of the Time appointed."
15:39. (Lucifer) said: "O my Lord! Because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the Earth, and I will put them ALL in the wrong (Isaiah 5:20-21),-
15:40. Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."
15:41. ("I AM") said: "This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed The Way that leads straight to Me (John 11:25).
15:42. For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong by following thee."
15:43. And verily, Hell-Fire is the promised abode for them all (Matt. 8:22)!

Sura 17:61-65
17:61. Behold! We said to the (fallen) angels: "Submit unto Adam (man)": you submitted (Luke 9:55) except Iblis (Lucifer): he said, "Shall I submit to one whom Thou didst create from clay?"
17:62. He said: "Seest Thou? This is the one (Adamic man) whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway - all but a few (Rev. 14:3)!"
17:63. ("I AM") said: "Go thy way if any of them follow thee, verily Hell-Fire will be the recompense of you (all)- an ample recompense (Matt. 8:22).
17:64. "Lead to destruction those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them." But Satan promises you nothing but deceit.
17:65. "As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them:" enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs (John 11:25).

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the Life: he that believeth me (NOT Lucifer's lies), though he were "Dead" (under God's death sentence for treason - Rev. 12:7-9; Matt. 8:22; Luke 9:55), yet shall he Live (be pardoned):

Sura 20:114
20:114. High above all is "I AM", The King, The Truth! Be not in haste with the Koran before its revelation to thee is completed; but say, "O my Lord! Advance me in Knowledge."
20:115. We had already, beforehand, taken the covenant of Adam, but he forgot: and We found on his part no strong determination.
20:116. When We said to the (fallen) angels (Beings), "Submit yourselves to Adam (humans)", you submitted yourselves (Luke 9:55), but not Iblis (Lucifer): he refused.
20:117. Then We said: "O Adam! Verily, this is an enemy to thee and thy wife: so let him not get you both out of The Garden, so that thou art landed in misery.
20:118. There is therein (enough provision) for thee not to go hungry nor to go naked,
20:119. Nor to suffer from thirst, nor from the Sun's heat."
20:120. But Satan whispered evil to him: he said, "O Adam! Shall I lead thee to the Tree of Eternity and to a kingdom that never decays?"
20:121. In the result, they both ate of the tree (of the knowledge of evil - lies - Satan's knowledge which, being lies, is not knowledge at all, just like the "so-called" knowledge that is destroying the world), and so their nakedness appeared to them: they began to sew together, for their covering, leaves from The Garden: thus did Adam disobey his Lord, and allow himself to be seduced (by Satan because of listening to Satan speaking through woman, instead of listening only to God).
20:122. But his Lord chose him (by His Grace): He turned to him, and gave him Guidance.
20:123. He said: "Get ye down, both of you,- ALL together, from The Garden, with enmity one to another: but if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from Me, whosoever follows My Guidance, will not lose his way, nor fall into misery (John 11:25).
20:124. But whosoever turns away from My Message (Genesis 3:17), verily for him is a life narrowed down, and We shall raise him up "blind" on the Day of Judgment."

We are here, inside of these human-animal bodies (our personal prison cells), in this lunatic asylum prison-planet reform school for the criminally insane, because we listened to and joined Lucifer/Satan/Iblis in arms against God and His Anointed One (Michael). And even after being given the opportunity to rehabilitate in the Garden of Eden, we again chose to listen to and obey Satan, rather than God.

Logically, the only way to end this insanity, is to STOP repeating the same mistakes made in the Garden of Eden, in listening to Satan/Iblis and all of his spiritually blind priests, pastors, rabbis and imams of every organized religion, and start keeping The Law that God gave us, exactly as it says in the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran (Quran).

Anyone foolish enough to believe otherwise will burn on the Last Day, exactly as we've been warned for the past 6000 years.
 






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There is no reference in the Holy Koran to the city of Mecca by name nor by implication. ALL references, in the Holy Koran, to the City of Peace refer to Jerusalem NOT to Mecca. The word Mecca does not mean the City of Peace, the word Jerusalem DOES mean City of Peace in Hebrew. . .

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
THE HOUSE OF GOD - KABA in Arabic


Sura 2:125 "Prostrate themselves therein" - the Temple site in Jerusalem (on Mt. Moriah - 2 Chronicles 3 v 1 - built by Solomon bin David - Sura 27:16).

People can NOT prostrate themselves inside the Kaba in Mecca. It is a black rock not a Temple or House of God and a rock is solid. It is impossible to prostrate oneself inside it. So this statement can NOT possibly refer to Mecca. It refers to Mt. Moriah in Jeru-salem (the City of Peace).

Sura 2:126 And remember Abraham (who was a Hebrew - NOT Jewish) said: "My Lord, make this a City (Jeru) of Peace (salem) - Jeru-salem means "City of Peace".

Sura 2:125 The House (of God) is the Station of Abraham where he offered Isaac in sacrifice (Mt. Moriah - Genesis 22 v 2) in the "City of Peace" - "Jerusalem".

Sura 2:144 Turn then thy face in the direction of the Holy Temple: wherever ye are turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book (Bible) know well that that is the Truth from their Lord. Of course they know to turn their faces to Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem because the Book - Bible tells them to do so - that is why all churches face Jerusalem - read Genesis 22:2-3, 14; 2 Chronicles 3:1 & 6:20-21; 1 kings 6:1-2, 11-14 and 1 kings 8:29-30 and Isaiah 56:7.

There is no reference in the Holy Koran to the city of Mecca by name nor by implication. ALL references, in the Holy Koran, to the City of Peace refer to Jerusalem NOT to Mecca. The word Mecca does not mean the City of Peace, the word Jerusalem DOES mean City of Peace in Hebrew.

Ishmael's mother, who was called Hagar, was an Egyptian and was the hand-maiden (servant) of Sarah who was Abraham's first and legitimate wife.

The well of Beer-lahai-roi, where Hagar went whilst pregnant with Ishmael when she ran away the first time, is between Kadesh-Barnea and Bered (South of Beersheba) on the route to Egypt, her home-land.

Sarah sent Hagar away with Ishmael and she naturally went towards Egypt her home-land NOT to Mecca. They went to Beer-sheba in Paran on the edge of the Negev desert, as is stated by God in the Book of Genesis that God gave to Moses.

On both occasions when Hagar left Abraham she went towards Egypt her home-land, which is quite a natural thing to do.

Hagar found Ishmael an Egyptian wife. They did not go to or live in Mecca. Mecca is more than 1000 miles from Mt. Moriah across desert and much too far away for Ishmael to hear of Abraham's death and be able to return in time to assist Isaac with Abraham's burial (Genesis 25:9).

The story about Mecca was made up by the Meccans to advertise and promote Mecca (in their advertising brochure - the Hadith) and is a complete fabrication. It has NOTHING to do with the Holy Koran. The Hadith contradicts God's Koran.

If people read the Bible they would know that they have to make the Pilgrimage (Haj) to Jerusalem not to Mecca and the Meccans would lose all the money they make from the Pilgrims.

The Meccans then had to discredit the Bible, to stop people from reading it and finding out the Truth, so they (Khadijah's cousin Waraquah according to the Vatican's archives) changed the name Isaac for the name Ishmael in Sura 2:125 and 2:127 and claim that the king James Bible is not the True Bible and that the True Bible no longer exists, so no-one can read it. All of which is a LIE and evil Meccan propaganda. Now people read the Hadith and its version of the Koran, instead of reading the Koran itself.

The Hadith has made it impossible for Moslems to understand the Koran's true meaning and to read the Bible and fulfill God's Covenant as God commands them to do in the Koran (Suras 16:91 and 5:8) and that is exactly what the Meccans wanted.

Mecca was an evil place when Mohammed Mustafa was born and the Meccans drove him and the TRUE KORAN out because it was about Jerusalem and would have ruined their pilgrimage-business to their black rock and idol-worship.

After Mohammed's death the Meccans changed the Koran and betrayed him and God.

Mecca has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Abraham; Ishmael; Isaac or God.

God tells people repeatedly in the Koran to read the Bible e.g. Sura 6:154-157). The Meccans then claim that the Almighty God has allowed the Book, that He commands people to read, to have been lost forever. That is not logical and is an insult to God.

Of course the TrueBible still exists as confirmed by God Himself in His Holy Koran (Sura 32:23) and the most accurate translation of The Bible in print is still the Authorised king James Bible in the old English, as confirmed by the "Dead Sea Scroll" of the Book of Isaiah (referred to in Sura 52:2-3) which in no way differs from the Book of Isaiah in the king James Bible.

Therefore the moslems are calling God a liar, which is a satanic thing to do. Satan called God a liar in the Garden of Eden and God condemned Adam and Eve for believing Satan's lies. These satanic lies are now being continued by the moslems when they contradict God by saying that the True Bible no longer exists, after God has told us in His Holy Koran - Sura 32:23 that:-

"We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE - the readers of this Koran - moslems): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel."


Source: THE HOUSE OF GOD - KABA in Arabic
 






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There is no reference in the Holy Koran to the city of Mecca by name nor by implication. ALL references, in the Holy Koran, to the City of Peace refer to Jerusalem NOT to Mecca. The word Mecca does not mean the City of Peace, the word Jerusalem DOES mean City of Peace in Hebrew. . .

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
THE HOUSE OF GOD - KABA in Arabic


Sura 2:125 "Prostrate themselves therein" - the Temple site in Jerusalem (on Mt. Moriah - 2 Chronicles 3 v 1 - built by Solomon bin David - Sura 27:16).

People can NOT prostrate themselves inside the Kaba in Mecca. It is a black rock not a Temple or House of God and a rock is solid. It is impossible to prostrate oneself inside it. So this statement can NOT possibly refer to Mecca. It refers to Mt. Moriah in Jeru-salem (the City of Peace).

Sura 2:126 And remember Abraham (who was a Hebrew - NOT Jewish) said: "My Lord, make this a City (Jeru) of Peace (salem) - Jeru-salem means "City of Peace".

Sura 2:125 The House (of God) is the Station of Abraham where he offered Isaac in sacrifice (Mt. Moriah - Genesis 22 v 2) in the "City of Peace" - "Jerusalem".

Sura 2:144 Turn then thy face in the direction of the Holy Temple: wherever ye are turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book (Bible) know well that that is the Truth from their Lord. Of course they know to turn their faces to Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem because the Book - Bible tells them to do so - that is why all churches face Jerusalem - read Genesis 22:2-3, 14; 2 Chronicles 3:1 & 6:20-21; 1 kings 6:1-2, 11-14 and 1 kings 8:29-30 and Isaiah 56:7.

There is no reference in the Holy Koran to the city of Mecca by name nor by implication. ALL references, in the Holy Koran, to the City of Peace refer to Jerusalem NOT to Mecca. The word Mecca does not mean the City of Peace, the word Jerusalem DOES mean City of Peace in Hebrew.

Ishmael's mother, who was called Hagar, was an Egyptian and was the hand-maiden (servant) of Sarah who was Abraham's first and legitimate wife.

The well of Beer-lahai-roi, where Hagar went whilst pregnant with Ishmael when she ran away the first time, is between Kadesh-Barnea and Bered (South of Beersheba) on the route to Egypt, her home-land.

Sarah sent Hagar away with Ishmael and she naturally went towards Egypt her home-land NOT to Mecca. They went to Beer-sheba in Paran on the edge of the Negev desert, as is stated by God in the Book of Genesis that God gave to Moses.

On both occasions when Hagar left Abraham she went towards Egypt her home-land, which is quite a natural thing to do.

Hagar found Ishmael an Egyptian wife. They did not go to or live in Mecca. Mecca is more than 1000 miles from Mt. Moriah across desert and much too far away for Ishmael to hear of Abraham's death and be able to return in time to assist Isaac with Abraham's burial (Genesis 25:9).

The story about Mecca was made up by the Meccans to advertise and promote Mecca (in their advertising brochure - the Hadith) and is a complete fabrication. It has NOTHING to do with the Holy Koran. The Hadith contradicts God's Koran.

If people read the Bible they would know that they have to make the Pilgrimage (Haj) to Jerusalem not to Mecca and the Meccans would lose all the money they make from the Pilgrims.

The Meccans then had to discredit the Bible, to stop people from reading it and finding out the Truth, so they (Khadijah's cousin Waraquah according to the Vatican's archives) changed the name Isaac for the name Ishmael in Sura 2:125 and 2:127 and claim that the king James Bible is not the True Bible and that the True Bible no longer exists, so no-one can read it. All of which is a LIE and evil Meccan propaganda. Now people read the Hadith and its version of the Koran, instead of reading the Koran itself.

The Hadith has made it impossible for Moslems to understand the Koran's true meaning and to read the Bible and fulfill God's Covenant as God commands them to do in the Koran (Suras 16:91 and 5:8) and that is exactly what the Meccans wanted.

Mecca was an evil place when Mohammed Mustafa was born and the Meccans drove him and the TRUE KORAN out because it was about Jerusalem and would have ruined their pilgrimage-business to their black rock and idol-worship.

After Mohammed's death the Meccans changed the Koran and betrayed him and God.

Mecca has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Abraham; Ishmael; Isaac or God.

God tells people repeatedly in the Koran to read the Bible e.g. Sura 6:154-157). The Meccans then claim that the Almighty God has allowed the Book, that He commands people to read, to have been lost forever. That is not logical and is an insult to God.

Of course the TrueBible still exists as confirmed by God Himself in His Holy Koran (Sura 32:23) and the most accurate translation of The Bible in print is still the Authorised king James Bible in the old English, as confirmed by the "Dead Sea Scroll" of the Book of Isaiah (referred to in Sura 52:2-3) which in no way differs from the Book of Isaiah in the king James Bible.

Therefore the moslems are calling God a liar, which is a satanic thing to do. Satan called God a liar in the Garden of Eden and God condemned Adam and Eve for believing Satan's lies. These satanic lies are now being continued by the moslems when they contradict God by saying that the True Bible no longer exists, after God has told us in His Holy Koran - Sura 32:23 that:-

"We did indeed aforetime give the Book (Torah) to Moses: be then NOT IN DOUBT of its (The Torah) reaching (THEE - the readers of this Koran - moslems): and We made it a Guide to the Children of Israel."


Source: THE HOUSE OF GOD - KABA in Arabic
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The well of Beer-lahai-roi, where Hagar went whilst pregnant with Ishmael when she ran away the first time, is between Kadesh-Barnea and Bered (South of Beersheba) on the route to Egypt, her home-land.

Sarah sent Hagar away with Ishmael and she naturally went towards Egypt her home-land NOT to Mecca. They went to Beer-sheba in Paran on the edge of the Negev desert, as is stated by God in the Book of Genesis that God gave to Moses.

On both occasions when Hagar left Abraham she went towards Egypt her home-land, which is quite a natural thing to do.
You have no evidence for that claim. Where is Paran?

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And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints; from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
[Deuteronomy 33:1-2]

We are going to show that this prophecy is in fact a reference to the three Abrahamic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This prophecy can be divided into two parts:

1. The mention of Sinai, Seir and Paran

2. The emergence of ten thousand saints and a law

We will now discuss each of these in detail:

1. The mention of Sinai, Seir and Paran

“The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran...”

Here one can see clearly that three locations are mentioned. Sinai is in Egypt, where Moses came from with a message from God, as is evident from the statement “the Lord came from Sinai”. Seir is an allusion to Palestine, as mount Seir was situated within the ancient kingdom of Edom, which was in Palestine. This is according to commentators of the Old Testament: “Seir is the mountain land of the Edomites to the east of Sinai” [104]. Palestine is where Jesus appeared with a call to God: “[the Lord] rose up from Seir”.

The big question is: which location is being referred to in the final part of the verse whereby God proclaims “he shined forth from mount Paran”? The Bible tells us that Paran is the very place where Ishmael dwelt: “While he (Ishmael) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt” [Genesis 21:21]. The dwelling place of Ishmael was none other than Arabia. It’s important to note that biblical geographers differ as to the exact location of Paran. However, they are unanimous that Paran is somewhere within Arabia. From Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible:

He dwelt in the wilderness of Paran – This is generally allowed to have been a part of the desert belonging to Arabia Petraea, in the vicinity of Mount Sinai; and this seems to be its uniform meaning in the sacred writings.

Strong’s Bible Dictionary also tells us that Paran is a desert of Arabia:

H6290 pâ’rân From H6286; ornamental; Paran, a desert of Arabia: – Paran.

Sebeos, a seventh century Armenian bishop and historian, when describing the Arab conquest of his time, wrote that the Arabs “assembled and came out from Paran” [105].

Encyclopaedia Biblica, edited by Reverend T. K. Cheyne, asserts: “Paran refers to the Arab tribal names, farran or faran.” [106]

The Dead Sea Scrolls, which are dated to the second century BCE and represent the oldest surviving manuscript evidence for the Old Testament along with other apocryphal books, link Ishmael and his descendants to Arabia:

And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert. And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelite. [107]

The fifth century chronicler Sozomen, a Christian historian who wrote much about the history of the Church, wrote that Arabs descended from Ishmael the son of Abraham and were, as a result, originally called Ishmaelites. They practised circumcision like the Jews, refrained from the use of pork and observed many other Jewish rites and customs. "Indeed there are some among them, even at the present day," he wrote, "who regulate their lives according to the Jewish precepts." [108]

Hence, the Paran (or Pharan) of Ishmael was certainly in the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, we can narrow this location down further. Modern academic research supports the claim that Ishmael’s Paran was indeed in a specific part of Arabia known as Hijaz, modern-day Western Saudi Arabia. Irfan Shahid, one of the world’s most renowned authorities on pre-Islamic, ancient Arabian geography/ history, stated that there was a place called Pharan in Hijaz, which belonged to the Sulaym tribe [109]. Professor Haseeb Shehada, an Israeli scholar and professor, in his translation of the Samaritan version of the Torah suggested an identification of the wilderness of Paran with the desert of Western Arabia which is known today as Hijaz. [110]

Some Christians claim that Paran is not in Arabia, but rather in the desert of Sinai in Egypt. But this can’t be the case, as the Old Testament clearly distinguishes between Sinai and Paran as two separate places: “Then the Israelites set out from the Desert of Sinai and traveled from place to place until the cloud came to rest in the Desert of Paran.” [Numbers 10:12]


The emergence of ten thousand saints and a law

This brings us onto the next part of the prophecy, “he came with ten thousands of saints; from his right hand went a fiery law for them”. The question we must now ask is: who came from/to Arabia with ten thousand saints and a law in his right hand? As we’ve seen, the third location, Paran, is a direct reference to Western Saudi Arabia. It just so happens that this is exactly where the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم was born, in the city of Mecca which is located in Western Saudi Arabia. At the time in the seventh century, the vast majority of Meccans were polytheistic in religion. Then, in 610 CE, God appointed Muhammad as His Prophet. He began to call his people to a new, monotheistic religion. Initially, Muhammad preached in private, and his early followers congregated in secret. When Muhammad eventually declared his message publicly, he and his early followers were met with increasing hostility. His mission to reform society, which included the call for his people to renounce idolatry and advocating for the rights of the poor and the weak, inevitably put him on a collision course with the rich and powerful tribes of Mecca.

The leaders of Mecca instigated a sustained campaign of violence against what they saw as a rival faith and a threat to their power structure. For over a decade, Muslims would go on to suffer severe persecution; they endured beatings, torture, imprisonment and some were even killed. The leaders of Mecca even signed a pact resulting in the complete social and economic boycott of Muslims along with the tribes associated with them. Muhammad and his followers were forced by these circumstances to leave their homes and wander in the outskirts of Mecca. Confined to the harsh and barren desert valley, they struggled to survive for three years, with even food and medicine being barred to them. During what is known as the Year of Grief, Muhammad’s uncle Abu Talib passed away. Abu Lahab, early Islam’s arch-en- emy and Muhammad’s bitterest foe, replaced Abu Talib as the chief of the tribe. The persecution of the early Muslim community in Mecca intensi- fied and in 622 CE, after suffering for nearly a decade and a half, Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his followers fled their home city of Mecca in order to escape persecution. They had to leave behind their possessions and proper- ties which were confiscated by their enemies.

They arrived safely in the city of Medina. There, the early Muslim communi- ty regrouped and flourished. The persecution by their enemies had by no means come to an end, as over the next ten years the tribes of Mecca fought numerous wars against the Muslims. In 629 CE, the Meccans broke a mutual peace treaty with the Muslims. The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم then led a Muslim army of ten thousand in a triumphant return to their home city of Mecca, nearly a decade after they had been forced to flee it. This historic event is known as the Conquest of Mecca:

Narrated Ibn `Abbas: The Prophet left Medina (for Mecca) in the company of ten-thousand (Muslim warriors) in (the month of) Ramadan, and that was eight and a half years after his migration to Medina. He and the Muslims who were with him, proceeded on their way to Mecca. He was fasting and they were fasting, but when they reached a place called Al-Kadid which was a place of water between 'Usfan and Kudaid, he broke his fast and so did they. (Az-Zuhri said, "One should take the last action of God's Apostle and leave his early action (while taking a verdict."). [111]

This is an exact fulfilment of the Bible’s foretelling of the coming of ten thousand saints to Mecca. These saints are the ten thousand Muslims who accompanied Muhammad in the conquest and obeyed God and His Messenger in all matters.

The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم did not just arrive with an army, he also brought with him the Qur’an, the law that was divinely revealed to him from God through the angel Gabriel. The Qur’an was the book by which the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم judged all matters, and the fate of the Meccans was no exception. Before ordering the troops to enter Mecca, the Prophet instructed his men to lift their hands only against those who drew swords against them. He also directed them neither to lay their hands on any moveable or immovable property of the Meccans, nor to destroy anything [112]. The Muslim army entered the city peacefully. No house was robbed; no man or woman was harmed or even insulted. The Prophet Muhammad's صلى الله عليه وسلم first act was to go to the Ka’aba, which Muslims believe was originally built by Abraham and Ishmael as a place of worship dedicated to the One God, but subsequently turned into a house of idolatry by the pagan Meccans. There he proceeded to destroy the idols and false gods within, whilst reciting the following verse of the Qur’an: “Say, the Truth has come and falsehood gone. Verily falsehood is bound to vanish" [17:81]. Then the Prophet went before the defeated people whose hearts were trembling, waiting to see what the victorious conqueror would do with them. The Meccans were afraid because the Arabs had lived by the law of retaliation; their own practice was that of revenge and murder. Many of them were expecting some sort of punishment in accordance with the traditions of the Arabs, and Muhammad had the power to exact that punishment. But, instead, the Prophet granted a general amnesty to the entire population of Mecca, saying to them, “There is no censure on you on this day. May God forgive you, for He is the Most Merciful of the merciful” [113].

Muhammad could have taken vengeance against all those who had persecut- ed him and his people for so many years, but instead he forgave them. His merciful conduct was in accordance with the Qur’an’s laws of justice: “You who believe, uphold justice and bear witness to God, even if it is against yourselves, your parents, or your close relatives... [4:135]. It's one thing to forgive others when you are in a position of weakness and have no choice, but it’s very difficult to do so when you find yourself in a position of strength over your staunch enemies and brutal oppressors. This is one of the many beautiful qualities of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم that changed the hatred in the hearts of his enemies to love for him, as the Qur’an testifies: “And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.” [21:107]

In summary, we can see that a Biblical prophecy was fulfilled to the letter with the advent of the Prophet of Islam. There is no other person in the entire history of mankind who emerged from Arabia in such circumstances, with ten thousand saints and a law, except the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم .


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Citations:

111 – Sahih Bukhari, 59:574.
112 – Seerah ibn Hisham, vol. 2, p. 409.
113 – Al-Tabaqat Al-Kubra, vol. 2, p. 142.
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Citations:

104 – Keil-Delitzsch, Commentary on the Old Testament", 1991, p. 497.
105 – Sebeos, The Armenian History of Sebeosi, pp. 95-97.
106 – Reverend T. K. Cheyne, Encyclopaedia Biblica, p. 3583.
107 – Dead Sea Scrolls, Book of Jubilees, p.118, verses 12-13.
108 – Sozomen, The Ecclesiastical History of the Church, p. 309.
109 – Irfan Shahid, Byzantium and the Arabs in the Fourth Century, p. 325.
110 – Professor Haseeb Shehada, Translation of the Samaritan Torah, p. 90.
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[From "Jesus: Man, Messenger, Messiah", written by Abu Zakariya]
 






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From Zionist wikipedia:-
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkah)

Bakkah (Arabic: بَكَّةُ‎ [ˈbɛk.kɛh]), is a place mentioned in sura 3 (’Āl ‘Imrān), ayah96 of the Qur'an, a verse sometimes translated as: " Verily the first House set apart unto mankind was that at Bakkah, blest, and a guidance unto the worlds",[1]

According to Muslim scholars, Bakkah is an ancient name for Mecca, the most holy city of Islam.[2] (The word Mecca is only used once in the Quran in verse 48:24 ("and it is He who withheld their hands from you and your hands from them within [the area of] Makkah after He caused you to overcome them. And ever is Allah of what you do, Seeing."))[3][4][5]

Most Muslims believe Mecca and Bakkah are synonyms, but to Muslim scholars there is a distinction: Bakkah refers to the Kaaba and the sacred site immediately surrounding it, while Mecca is the name of the city in which they are both located.[6]

According to Lisān al-‘Arab of Ibn Manẓūr, the site of the Kaaba and its surroundings was named Bakkah due to crowding and congestion of people in the area. The Arabic verb bakka (بَكَّ), with double "k", means to crowd like in a bazaar. This is not to be confused with another unrelated Arabic verb bakā (بَكَىٰ) (single k) which is the past participle of yabkī (يَبْكِي), to cry.

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The Arabic word "baka" is from the Hebrew word "baca", which means tears. The Valley of Baca/Tears (Ps. 84:6) received its name because it's where Abraham passed through with Isaac heavy-hearted, on his way to Mt. Moriah, to sacrifice Isaac, as Father (God) COMMANDED him to do.

Here is the first reference in the Koran (Quran) allegedly to "Bakkah" which is really BACA, as evidenced by the fact that the passage is speaking of THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, who are descended from Abraham through Isaac (NOT Ishmael) and to whom The Law was given.

Sura 3:93-98
3:93. All food was lawful to the Children of Israel, except what Israel made unlawful for itself, before The Law was revealed (to Moses). Say: "Bring ye The Law (The Torah) and study it, if ye be men of truth." (Note: It is in The Law where the story of Abraham's journey to sacrifice Isaac was first shared. The same Isaac whose son Jacob was later renamed Israel)
3:94. If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed unjust wrong-doers.
3:95. Say: "God speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the SANE in Faith; he was not of the Pagans."
3:96. THE chief House (of worship) appointed for men was that at The Holy Place (of Tears/Baca/Bakka - Ps. 84:6 - Mt. Moriah): full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:
3:97. In it are Signs manifest (for example), the Station of Abraham (Mt. Moriah) whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, God stands not in need of any of His creatures.
3:98. Say: "O People of The Book! Why reject ye the Signs of God, when God is Himself witness to all ye do?"

Sura 48:22-25
48:22. If the Unbelievers should fight you, they would certainly turn their backs; then would they find neither protector nor helper.
48:23. (Such has been) the practice (approved) by "I AM" already in the past: NO CHANGE wilt thou find in the practice (approved) by "I AM" (Heb. 13:8).
48:24. And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of the physical altercation, after that He gave you the victory over them. And "I AM" sees well all that ye do.
48:25. They are the ones who denied revelation and hindered you from the Holy Place and the sacrificial animals, detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge, ("I AM" would have allowed you to force your way, but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His Mercy whom He will. If they had been apart, We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous Punishment.

Here is the Yusuf Ali translation of the same passage, for comparison:-

Sura 48:22-25
48:22 If the Unbelievers should fight you they would certainly turn their backs; then would they find neither protector nor helper.
48:23 (Such has been) the practice. (Approved) of Allah already in the past: no change wilt thou find in the practice (approved) of Allah.
48:24 And it is He who has restrained their hands from you and your hand from them in the midst of Mecca after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.
48:25 They are the ones who denied revelation and hindered you from the Sacred Mosque and the sacrificial animals detained from reaching their place of sacrifice. Had there not been believing men and believing women whom ye did not know that ye were trampling down and on whose account a crime would have accrued to you without (your) knowledge. (Allah would have allowed you to force your way but He held back your hands) that He may admit to His mercy whom He will. If they had been apart We should certainly have punished the Unbelievers among them with a grievous punishment.

Are we really supposed to believe that "Baca" should have been changed to "Bakkah", which changed again into "Makkah/Makka", which was changed yet a third time from "Makkah" to "Mecca" this ONE AND ONLY TIME in the Koran, IMMEDIATELY AFTER A VERSE WHERE WE ARE TOLD THAT WE WILL FIND NO CHANGE IN A PRACTICE APPROVED BY ALLAH?

Are we similarly supposed to believe that Gabriel allegedly gave Muhammad (peace be upon him) two different spellings for the "holy city of Mecca" (neither of which were actually "Mecca"), which was the known regional capital of pagan polytheism and idol-worhsip? How did the same evil city that drove Mohammed Mustafa and the TRUE KORAN out of it magically become "holy"? Is it now considered "holy" to fight against Father (Allah, Whose Name is "I AM") and His Messengers?

Again, how does one prostrate oneself INSIDE of a solid black rock?

And where was the sacred mosque (temple) where people for hundreds of years brought their animals to sacrifice to God? Jerusalem or pagan Mecca?

By contrast, the city of Peace -- JERUSALEM -- is mentioned at least 800 TIMES in the Bible. The same Bible that the Koran repeatedly instructs its readers they MUST read, learn and follow, and to NOT BE IN DOUBT of it being corrupted or of it reaching them. The same Bible that the Koran tells us it came to CONFIRM.

Which city would anyone in their right mind honestly think that Father wanted to emphasize? One He mentioned hundreds and hundreds of times, or one He never mentioned even once? And how could Mecca -- which likewise is NEVER mentioned directly or indirectly in the Bible -- be confirmed in the Koran?

Could it be any more obvious or transparent that the addition of Makkah/Makka (which itself is NOT Mecca) to the Koran is a FORGERY? The beauty of Father's Holy Word is that it makes it EASY to discover when idiots and barbarians have ATTEMPTED to alter His Word. 800 to 0 ought to be enough for those who have any love for the truth to question who approved of the supposed one-time change. It certainly wasn't Allah.

You have no evidence for that claim. Where is Paran?

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And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints; from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
[Deuteronomy 33:1-2]

We are going to show that this prophecy is in fact a reference to the three Abrahamic faiths of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This prophecy can be divided into two parts:

1. The mention of Sinai, Seir and Paran

2. The emergence of ten thousand saints and a law

We will now discuss each of these in detail:

1. The mention of Sinai, Seir and Paran

“The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran...”

Here one can see clearly that three locations are mentioned. Sinai is in Egypt, where Moses came from with a message from God, as is evident from the statement “the Lord came from Sinai”. Seir is an allusion to Palestine, as mount Seir was situated within the ancient kingdom of Edom, which was in Palestine. This is according to commentators of the Old Testament: “Seir is the mountain land of the Edomites to the east of Sinai” [104]. Palestine is where Jesus appeared with a call to God: “[the Lord] rose up from Seir”.

The big question is: which location is being referred to in the final part of the verse whereby God proclaims “he shined forth from mount Paran”? The Bible tells us that Paran is the very place where Ishmael dwelt: “While he (Ishmael) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt” [Genesis 21:21]. The dwelling place of Ishmael was none other than Arabia. It’s important to note that biblical geographers differ as to the exact location of Paran. However, they are unanimous that Paran is somewhere within Arabia. From Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible:

He dwelt in the wilderness of Paran – This is generally allowed to have been a part of the desert belonging to Arabia Petraea, in the vicinity of Mount Sinai; and this seems to be its uniform meaning in the sacred writings.

Strong’s Bible Dictionary also tells us that Paran is a desert of Arabia:

H6290 pâ’rân From H6286; ornamental; Paran, a desert of Arabia: – Paran.

Sebeos, a seventh century Armenian bishop and historian, when describing the Arab conquest of his time, wrote that the Arabs “assembled and came out from Paran” [105].

Encyclopaedia Biblica, edited by Reverend T. K. Cheyne, asserts: “Paran refers to the Arab tribal names, farran or faran.” [106]

The Dead Sea Scrolls, which are dated to the second century BCE and represent the oldest surviving manuscript evidence for the Old Testament along with other apocryphal books, link Ishmael and his descendants to Arabia:

And Ishmael and his sons, and the sons of Keturah and their sons, went together and dwelt from Paran to the entering in of Babylon in all the land which is towards the East facing the desert. And these mingled with each other, and their name was called Arabs, and Ishmaelite. [107]

The fifth century chronicler Sozomen, a Christian historian who wrote much about the history of the Church, wrote that Arabs descended from Ishmael the son of Abraham and were, as a result, originally called Ishmaelites. They practised circumcision like the Jews, refrained from the use of pork and observed many other Jewish rites and customs. "Indeed there are some among them, even at the present day," he wrote, "who regulate their lives according to the Jewish precepts." [108]

Hence, the Paran (or Pharan) of Ishmael was certainly in the Arabian Peninsula. In fact, we can narrow this location down further. Modern academic research supports the claim that Ishmael’s Paran was indeed in a specific part of Arabia known as Hijaz, modern-day Western Saudi Arabia. Irfan Shahid, one of the world’s most renowned authorities on pre-Islamic, ancient Arabian geography/ history, stated that there was a place called Pharan in Hijaz, which belonged to the Sulaym tribe [109]. Professor Haseeb Shehada, an Israeli scholar and professor, in his translation of the Samaritan version of the Torah suggested an identification of the wilderness of Paran with the desert of Western Arabia which is known today as Hijaz. [110]

Some Christians claim that Paran is not in Arabia, but rather in the desert of Sinai in Egypt. But this can’t be the case, as the Old Testament clearly distinguishes between Sinai and Paran as two separate places: “Then the Israelites set out from the Desert of Sinai and traveled from place to place until the cloud came to rest in the Desert of Paran.” [Numbers 10:12]


The emergence of ten thousand saints and a law

This brings us onto the next part of the prophecy, “he came with ten thousands of saints; from his right hand went a fiery law for them”. The question we must now ask is: who came from/to Arabia with ten thousand saints and a law in his right hand? As we’ve seen, the third location, Paran, is a direct reference to Western Saudi Arabia. It just so happens that this is exactly where the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم was born, in the city of Mecca which is located in Western Saudi Arabia. At the time in the seventh century, the vast majority of Meccans were polytheistic in religion. Then, in 610 CE, God appointed Muhammad as His Prophet. He began to call his people to a new, monotheistic religion. Initially, Muhammad preached in private, and his early followers congregated in secret. When Muhammad eventually declared his message publicly, he and his early followers were met with increasing hostility. His mission to reform society, which included the call for his people to renounce idolatry and advocating for the rights of the poor and the weak, inevitably put him on a collision course with the rich and powerful tribes of Mecca.

The leaders of Mecca instigated a sustained campaign of violence against what they saw as a rival faith and a threat to their power structure. For over a decade, Muslims would go on to suffer severe persecution; they endured beatings, torture, imprisonment and some were even killed. The leaders of Mecca even signed a pact resulting in the complete social and economic boycott of Muslims along with the tribes associated with them. Muhammad and his followers were forced by these circumstances to leave their homes and wander in the outskirts of Mecca. Confined to the harsh and barren desert valley, they struggled to survive for three years, with even food and medicine being barred to them. During what is known as the Year of Grief, Muhammad’s uncle Abu Talib passed away. Abu Lahab, early Islam’s arch-en- emy and Muhammad’s bitterest foe, replaced Abu Talib as the chief of the tribe. The persecution of the early Muslim community in Mecca intensi- fied and in 622 CE, after suffering for nearly a decade and a half, Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his followers fled their home city of Mecca in order to escape persecution. They had to leave behind their possessions and proper- ties which were confiscated by their enemies.

They arrived safely in the city of Medina. There, the early Muslim communi- ty regrouped and flourished. The persecution by their enemies had by no means come to an end, as over the next ten years the tribes of Mecca fought numerous wars against the Muslims. In 629 CE, the Meccans broke a mutual peace treaty with the Muslims. The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم then led a Muslim army of ten thousand in a triumphant return to their home city of Mecca, nearly a decade after they had been forced to flee it. This historic event is known as the Conquest of Mecca:

Narrated Ibn `Abbas: The Prophet left Medina (for Mecca) in the company of ten-thousand (Muslim warriors) in (the month of) Ramadan, and that was eight and a half years after his migration to Medina. He and the Muslims who were with him, proceeded on their way to Mecca. He was fasting and they were fasting, but when they reached a place called Al-Kadid which was a place of water between 'Usfan and Kudaid, he broke his fast and so did they. (Az-Zuhri said, "One should take the last action of God's Apostle and leave his early action (while taking a verdict."). [111]

This is an exact fulfilment of the Bible’s foretelling of the coming of ten thousand saints to Mecca. These saints are the ten thousand Muslims who accompanied Muhammad in the conquest and obeyed God and His Messenger in all matters.

The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم did not just arrive with an army, he also brought with him the Qur’an, the law that was divinely revealed to him from God through the angel Gabriel. The Qur’an was the book by which the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم judged all matters, and the fate of the Meccans was no exception. Before ordering the troops to enter Mecca, the Prophet instructed his men to lift their hands only against those who drew swords against them. He also directed them neither to lay their hands on any moveable or immovable property of the Meccans, nor to destroy anything [112]. The Muslim army entered the city peacefully. No house was robbed; no man or woman was harmed or even insulted. The Prophet Muhammad's صلى الله عليه وسلم first act was to go to the Ka’aba, which Muslims believe was originally built by Abraham and Ishmael as a place of worship dedicated to the One God, but subsequently turned into a house of idolatry by the pagan Meccans. There he proceeded to destroy the idols and false gods within, whilst reciting the following verse of the Qur’an: “Say, the Truth has come and falsehood gone. Verily falsehood is bound to vanish" [17:81]. Then the Prophet went before the defeated people whose hearts were trembling, waiting to see what the victorious conqueror would do with them. The Meccans were afraid because the Arabs had lived by the law of retaliation; their own practice was that of revenge and murder. Many of them were expecting some sort of punishment in accordance with the traditions of the Arabs, and Muhammad had the power to exact that punishment. But, instead, the Prophet granted a general amnesty to the entire population of Mecca, saying to them, “There is no censure on you on this day. May God forgive you, for He is the Most Merciful of the merciful” [113].

Muhammad could have taken vengeance against all those who had persecut- ed him and his people for so many years, but instead he forgave them. His merciful conduct was in accordance with the Qur’an’s laws of justice: “You who believe, uphold justice and bear witness to God, even if it is against yourselves, your parents, or your close relatives... [4:135]. It's one thing to forgive others when you are in a position of weakness and have no choice, but it’s very difficult to do so when you find yourself in a position of strength over your staunch enemies and brutal oppressors. This is one of the many beautiful qualities of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم that changed the hatred in the hearts of his enemies to love for him, as the Qur’an testifies: “And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.” [21:107]

In summary, we can see that a Biblical prophecy was fulfilled to the letter with the advent of the Prophet of Islam. There is no other person in the entire history of mankind who emerged from Arabia in such circumstances, with ten thousand saints and a law, except the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم .


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Citations:

111 – Sahih Bukhari, 59:574.
112 – Seerah ibn Hisham, vol. 2, p. 409.
113 – Al-Tabaqat Al-Kubra, vol. 2, p. 142.
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Citations:

104 – Keil-Delitzsch, Commentary on the Old Testament", 1991, p. 497.
105 – Sebeos, The Armenian History of Sebeosi, pp. 95-97.
106 – Reverend T. K. Cheyne, Encyclopaedia Biblica, p. 3583.
107 – Dead Sea Scrolls, Book of Jubilees, p.118, verses 12-13.
108 – Sozomen, The Ecclesiastical History of the Church, p. 309.
109 – Irfan Shahid, Byzantium and the Arabs in the Fourth Century, p. 325.
110 – Professor Haseeb Shehada, Translation of the Samaritan Torah, p. 90.
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[From "Jesus: Man, Messenger, Messiah", written by Abu Zakariya]
A simple review of what it actually says in Scripture cuts through all of the confusion about where the wilderness of Paran was located and where Ishmael lived and died.

Genesis 20:1 And Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourned in Gerar.

Genesis 21:14-21
21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave [it] unto Hagar, putting [it] on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.
21:15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.
21:16 And she went, and sat her down over against [him] a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against [him], and lift up her voice, and wept.
21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he [is].
21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.
21:19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.
21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

Why did his mother, Hagar the Egyptian, take him a wife out of the land of Egypt? BECAUSE THEY LIVED RIGHT NEXT TO EGYPT.

Genesis 25:17-18
25:17 And these [are] the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.
25:18 And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, THAT [iS] BEFORE EGYPT, as thou goest toward Assyria: [and] he died in the presence of all his brethren.

Further confirmation of the proximity of Paran to Kadesh:-

Numbers 13:26 And they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the wilderness of Paran, to Kadesh; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the congregation, and showed them the fruit of the land.

And the location of Paran relative to the Red Sea and the journey time between there and Horeb.

Deuteronomy 1:1-2
1:1 These [be] the words which Moses spoke unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red [sea], between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.
1:2 ([There are] eleven days' [journey] from Horeb by the way of mount Seir unto Kadeshbarnea.)
 






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Are we really supposed to believe that "Baca" should have been changed to "Bakkah", which changed again into "Makkah/Makka", which was changed yet a third time from "Makkah" to "Mecca" this ONE AND ONLY TIME in the Koran, IMMEDIATELY AFTER A VERSE WHERE WE ARE TOLD THAT WE WILL FIND NO CHANGE IN A PRACTICE APPROVED BY ALLAH?
And yet, the Quran verse, 48:24, clearly mentions the word Makkah -- مكة. There's no way to get around that. If you do not believe me, you can ask someone who can read Arabic to verify it for you.
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'Bakkah' is simply the name of the inner sanctum (the Kaaba and its surroundings) of the greater area that constitutes 'Makkah'. Bakkah is also an older name, just as 'Yathrib' is the older name of the city of Madinah.
Whatever spelling you use, whether Mecca, Makka, or Makkah, this will not change the fact that the Quranic script says: مكة (m-k-h). The spellings are attempted transliterations of the Arabic word.

Which city would anyone in their right mind honestly think that Father wanted to emphasize? One He mentioned hundreds and hundreds of times, or one He never mentioned even once?
You keep ignoring the verse 48:24. Alone, it demolishes all your claims. In it, is clearly written: 'مكة', Makkah. You cannot reject this unless you reject the source from which your English translation was derived, the Arabic Quran itself. The Arabic preceded your King of Kings' Bible. Therefore the Arabic is an authority over your translation, and every other translation. If you claim to be a student or scholar of the Quran, you must study the Arabic source to ascertain the essence of the Quran's meaning. (Just as Biblical scholars must return to the Aramaic in which many Bible manuscripts are written.) To ignore it, or dismiss its validity, can only be called folly.

Had God mentioned Makkah once, it would have been enough. In God's word, quality reigns over quantity. But God has not mentioned it only once. He has mentioned it many times, including in Surah Israa (chapter 17), verse 1:
Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things). [17:1]
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The 'Sacred Mosque' (المسجد الحرام [Al-Masjid al-Haraam], see Figure 1) is another name for the Kaaba in Makkah, and the 'farthest mosque' (ٱلْمَسْجِد ٱلْأَقْصَىٰ‎ [Al-Masjid al-Aqsa], see Figure 2) refers to a sacred area in Jerusalem.

Your claim is: All mentions of what Muslims allege to be Makkah in the Quran, actually refer to Jerusalem. Yet if we are to hold your argument to be true, the above verse (17:1) would be saying that God took his servant, Muhammad (pbuh), on a Journey by night from Jerusalem to Jerusalem. But that cannot be. There are two places mentioned, one of which refers to Masjid al-Aqsa, and the second of which refers to Masjid al-Haraam in Makkah. This alone, causes your argument collapse in on itself, even if we ignore every other verse that refers to, or mentions Makkah and places within it, such as:

Behold! Safa and Marwa are among the Symbols of Allah. So if those who visit the House in the Season or at other times, should compass them round, it is no sin in them. And if any one obeyeth his own impulse to good,- be sure that Allah is He Who recogniseth and knoweth. [2:158]

It is no crime in you if ye seek of the bounty of your Lord (during pilgrimage). Then when ye pour down from (Mount) Arafat, celebrate the praises of Allah at the Sacred Monument, and celebrate His praises as He has directed you, even though, before this, ye went astray. [2:198]

In it are Signs Manifest; (for example), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to Allah,- those who can afford the journey; but if any deny faith, Allah stands not in need of any of His creatures. [3:97]

And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment. [2:196]

O ye who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the symbols of Allah, nor of the sacred month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people resorting to the sacred house, seeking of the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord. But when ye are clear of the sacred precincts and of pilgrim garb, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment. [5:2]


All the places here mentioned are located in the precincts of Makkah. If it is not so, please find me evidence that supports the presence of these places: Safa and Marwa, Mount Arafat, the Station of Abraham, and the Sacred House, in a city or area other than Makkah. You will not be able to do so, as there is no such place.

And how could Mecca -- which likewise is NEVER mentioned directly or indirectly in the Bible -- be confirmed in the Koran?
This is your first clear admission that you do not care for what is written in the Quran, unless the Bible affirms it. Hence, Anthony John Hill has changed Ishmael to Isaac, and 'Makkah' to 'physical altercation' in 48:24. I have not yet discovered all else that Hill has changed in the King of Kings' Bible's appropration of the Quran. What is clear, is that no man has the right to change the word of God.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. [2:79]

Your 'Muad'Dib' changes all things in the Quran that do not agree with the Bible, and so all those things, that if included, would make one a Muslim in the normative sense; a Muslim being one who obeys God, obeys God's Messenger Muhammad (pbuh), and establishes the five pillars of Islam, that are: Testimony to the Oneness of God, Prayer, Charity, Fasting, and Pilgrimage. Your Muad'Dib has all but demolished these pillars upon which an individual's adherence to Islam is upheld. Thus, to all intents and purposes, you are a Christian. You take from the Quran that which agrees with your Christian sensibilities, and you ignore, or change, all that that refutes it. But to ignore or change even a letter of the Quran is unbelief:
... Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. [2:85]

Are we similarly supposed to believe that Gabriel allegedly gave Muhammad (peace be upon him) two different spellings for the "holy city of Mecca" (neither of which were actually "Mecca"), which was the known regional capital of pagan polytheism and idol-worhsip? How did the same evil city that drove Mohammed Mustafa and the TRUE KORAN out of it magically become "holy"?
There are several names for Makkah in the Quran, some of which are: Bakkah, Umm al Qura, al-Balad, al-Balad al-Ameen, Qaryah, and al-Masjid al-Haraam. If we are to hold your argument to be true, we must similarly argue that every other name of Makkah, of which there are a minimum of seven, refers to a different place. Perhaps, there are seven holy places, scattered across the world. But, according to you, not one of them must refer to the city of Makkah, the birthplace of the final Prophet of God, Muhammad (pbuh), in which one half of the Quran was revealed.

Makka: 48:24
Bakkah: 3:96
Umm al Qura: 6:92
Al Balad: 14:35
Al Balad al Ameen: 95:3
Qaryah: 47:13
al-Masjid al-Haraam: 2:144, 2:149, 2:150, 2:191, 2196, 2:217, 5:2, 8:34, 9:7, 9:19, 9:28, 17:1, 22:25, 48:25, 48:27.
(There are some other I have missed.)

which was the known regional capital of pagan polytheism and idol-worhsip? How did the same evil city that drove Mohammed Mustafa and the TRUE KORAN out of it magically become "holy"?
Is a city in which pagans live and work now to be considered 'evil' for the fact of their presence? If this is so, we must also declare Jerusalem evil, for is it not the case that Jerusalem too, houses idol-worshippers, polytheists and pagans?

If you read about the life of the Prophet, you will know that Muhammad (pbuh) would return to Makkah victorious, forgive his bitterest of foes, and crush and level every idol that remained in the city and the Kaabah. Makkah was expunged of idolatry then, and continues to remain free of it today. By contrast, idolatry continues to be practiced in Jerusalem. It must then be, by your logic, an evil city. But that cannot be so. A city that is declared sacrosanct by God, remains sacrosanct, despite the evils that wrongdoers may perpetrate within it.

Could it be any more obvious or transparent that the addition of Makkah/Makka (which itself is NOT Mecca) to the Koran is a FORGERY? The beauty of Father's Holy Word is that it makes it EASY to discover when idiots and barbarians have ATTEMPTED to alter His Word. 800 to 0 ought to be enough for those who have any love for the truth to question who approved of the supposed one-time change. It certainly wasn't Allah.
You declare all that in the Quran that does not agree with the Bible to be 'FORGERY', while accepting only that which the Bible affirms, even if attempting to reconcile the two results means that you must interpolate, fabricate, delete, and substitute. You might as well take the Hindu Vedas, throw out all verses that disagree with the Bible, and use a particular ideological framework to make all remaining verses fit the Biblical narrative. As Augustine rightly said, if you keep what you like from the Gospel, and throw out all you do not like, it is not the Gospel that is your authority, but yourself -- you are making your own desires as your God.
 






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Everything you've just tried to peddle has already been addressed and thoroughly refuted with Scripture. It's understood you are having a difficult time accepting the truth that there are verses in the Koran that have been intentionally altered, much in the same way that there are verses in the Bible which have obviously been altered, e.g. 1 John 5:7. But that doesn't change the fact that it has occurred, exactly as prophesied in both the Bible and Koran.

As you've stated, there is ONE mention of the word "Bakkah" in the Koran (Quran) and ONE mention of the word "Makkah" or "Makka", neither of which are "Mecca", regardless of what the so-called experts and scholars -- whom you have partnered with God and His Word -- have said.

IF you read, studied and understood The Law that God gave us (i.e. became WELL-ACQUAINTED with it), which we are COMMANDED to read in the Old Covenant, New Covenant AND in the Koran, it would become self-evident why these two singular entries are BOTH forgeries, where the Arabic word "baka" (from the Hebrew word "baca") was intentionally replaced by the Roman Catholic Meccans who compiled the Koran, roughly 20 years AFTER the death of Muhammad Mustafa (peace be upon him).

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established (see also Num. 35:30, Deut. 17:6).

So, contrary to what Lucifer/Satan/Iblis has CONNED you into believing, ONE mention (alteration really) of "Makka"/"Makkah" (which itself is NOT "Mecca") is NOT enough for God, and should immediately raise a "red-flag". Over 800 references though to Jerusalem in the Book that God COMMANDED us to read should be sufficient for any reasonably minded human+Being.

This is why whenever we see ANYTHING in Scripture that magically only appears once, it should prompt us to double-check it against the rest of Scripture to determine if something has been altered or not.

IF someone is diligent about doing that, they will find that there are always sufficient numbers of witnesses to prove the matter in question, i.e. to expose the false witness.

In this particular case, we have over 800 references to Jerusalem in the Bible. Why is Jerusalem, the Mother of Cities and the City of Peace so important? Because that's where Mt. Moriah is. And what happened there? IT IS THE EXACT SPOT WHERE ABRAHAM OFFERED UP HIS MIRACLE SON ISAAC AS A SACRIFICE TO GOD AND, IN DOING SO, BECAME A "FRIEND OF GOD". That is what made Mt. Moriah the holiest spot on Earth. And that is why Jerusalem was allowed to be built there.

What made Isaac (which is Hebrew and means "laughter") Abraham's "miracle" son? Abraham was almost 100 when his wife Sarah -- who herself was 90, conceived and bore a son, as the angels told her she would.

Did Abraham travel to Mecca to do that? No. He traveled through the Valley of Baca ("tears") to Mt. Moriah to sacrifice Isaac. Several hundred years later Solomon built the ONLY Temple God EVER sanctioned to be built on this planet, with its innermost chamber, "the Holy of Holies" built over the exact spot where Abraham offered up Isaac.

For hundreds of years, that Temple served as a place where people brought animals to sacrifice for their sins, foreshadowing "the Lamb of God" being sacrificed for the entire nation of Israel. Did the Children of Israel do that in Mecca? No. They did it in Jerusalem.

Did Ishmael ever live in Mecca? No. We have it directly from God, in His Perfect Law, which He gave to Moses, that Ishmael lived and died right next to Egypt, within a few days walk of where Abraham lived.

Further, did the "Jews", "Christians" and "Muslims" ever fight over pagan Mecca? No. They have fought over Jerusalem for thousands of years. That is why Jerusalem is referred to as the "Mother of Cities". There is no other city on Earth that has been so heavily contested by so many throughout history.

Of course you conveniently ignore this mountain of factual evidence provided to us by Allah in His Law, which has played out precisely as prophesied in the Bible. Why? Because some "religious expert/scholar" says that neither "Bakkah" or "Makka/Makkah" could possibly be an alteration of Baka/Baca? And you don't see that as shirk?

You bring up "other references to Makka" in the Koran. There are NONE other than parenthetical inserts, where it has been WRONGLY ASSUMED that the referenced place is "Mecca" with ZERO evidence. The parenthetical inserts have ALL, by admission, been ADDED. A couple of those references below, where the "Mother of Cities" has been CORRECTLY identified as Jerusalem, where God told us to face when we pray.

Sura 6:92. And this (Koran) is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities (Jerusalem - Isaiah 1:1, 21; Matt. 23:37) and all around her (just like almost all of the previous Prophets were also told to do). Those who believe in the Hereafter (also) believe this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers.

Sura 42:7. Thus have We sent by inspiration to thee an Arabic Koran: that thou mayest warn the Mother of Cities (Jerusalem - Matt. 5:35) and all around her,- and warn (them) of The Day of Assembly, of which there is no doubt: (when) some will be in The Garden, and some in The Blazing Fire.

If you wish to pretend that "Bakkah" means Mecca, or that "Makka" or "Makkah" means Mecca, because some so-called religious experts, scholars, "imams", etc. ASSUME that's what it means, instead of believing what God Himself has told us HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF TIMES throughout HIS Word, then you are willfully choosing to commit shirk.

The same holds true for any so-called Christian attempting to defend the "trinitarian" insertions made in 1 John 5:7 and Matthew 28:19, or the story of the adulterous woman, all of which were very obviously ADDED to the Bible, and all of which we can prove in the exact same manner, using God's INCORRUPTIBLE Word, which has error correction built right into it. All of this is to test our faith. Believers, who diligently seek the truth from Allah ALONE, will see and avoid such obvious trickery. Unbelievers, who prefer their religious superstitions, with their pagan rites and rituals over the Word of God, will continue to be misled, exactly as it tells us repeatedly throughout the Koran (Quran).

May you carefully consider this truth that has been shared for our mutual benefit.

Peace be upon you.
 






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Of course you conveniently ignore this mountain of factual evidence provided to us by Allah in His Law, which has played out precisely as prophesied in the Bible. Why? Because some "religious expert/scholar" says that neither "Bakkah" or "Makka/Makkah" could possibly be an alteration of Baka/Baca? And you don't see that as shirk?
This is not from the interpretation of scholars. It is in the Arabic source itself.

(48:24) وَهُوَ الَّذِي كَفَّ أَيْدِيَهُمْ عَنكُمْ وَأَيْدِيَكُمْ عَنْهُم بِبَطْنِ مَكَّةَ مِن بَعْدِ أَنْ أَظْفَرَكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرً

مكة

-- Here it is, as clear as day. M-K-H. Mecca/Makka/Makkah are all transliterations derived from the Arabic word.

No so-called "mountain of evidence" can get around this glaring fact.

As I said before, in denying this, you bring into question the provenance and legitimacy of the entire Quran. If you have no qualms in doing so, that is your choice alone.

Is it coincidence that you declare to be FORGERY that which does not correspond with the Bible, even though you have no evidence to prove what is forgery and what is not? But it is no coincidence. You must defend your doctrine at all costs, so you choose that which serves you, and you throw behind your back that which testifies against you, no matter if it is God's word or not. If you have no qualms in doing so, that is your choice alone.
... Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. [2:85]
 






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It's understood you are having a difficult time accepting the truth that there are verses in the Koran that have been intentionally altered, much in the same way that there are verses in the Bible which have obviously been altered
If you can declare this, then you must allow me to declare that all places in which the Bible calls Jesus Christ the begotten son of God are forgeries too.
 






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One of the most important things about the Muslim Faith that the clerics don't want laypeople to know is that their Hadith are considered on equal par with the Qur'an. You can't carry on an accurate discourse about Islam without also consulting the Hadith.

Such writings are kept under lock and key bare witness to things such as the fact that the Catholic Church helped found Islam.

No, they don't ever want you to know about that.
 






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If you can declare this, then you must allow me to declare that all places in which the Bible calls Jesus Christ the begotten son of God are forgeries too.
The reason unbelievers don't understand the references in the Bible to the Spirit-Being known as The Messiah/Christ (Prince Michael) -- Who IS the Firstborn/First-Created Son of God -- is because they don't believe in the Hereafter, i.e. the SPIRITUAL world (that includes reincarnation, which both the Bible and the Koran teach).

God, Who is a Spirit-Being (John 4:24) and NOT human (Num 23:19), and therefore could NEVER have a human son, exactly as it says in the Koran (Quran). So there is absolutely disagreement between the Bible and the Koran on this issue IF it is properly understood.

Jesus was the human son of the virgin body of Mary, Who was INCARNATED by the spirit-Being Christ -- exactly as it says in the Koran -- to become the human+Being known as Jesus+Christ.

Sura 2:87. We gave Moses The Book (The Torah) and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) AND STRENGTHENED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (CHRIST). Is it that whenever there comes to you an Apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!

Sura 2:253. Those Apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: to one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), AND RE-INFORCED HIM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST). If God had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If God had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but God fulfilleth His Plan.

Sura 5:113. Then will "I AM" say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I STRENGTHENED THEE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT (CHRIST), so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee The Book (The Torah and Prophets – John 7:15-17) and Wisdom (John 5:20), The Law (The Torah – John 5:46-47) and The Gospel (Mark 1:14-15) and behold! Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, thou breathest into it (Gen. 2:7), and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind (John 9), and the lepers (Luke 7:22), by My leave (John 3:35). And behold! Thou bringest forth the dead by My leave (John 5:21). And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the Clear Signs (Luke 4:16-30), and the Unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but sorcery' (Mark 6:1-6).

Who could be more guided than the Holy Spirit (our connection with God)? Hence the reason Christ is the Mahdi, and THE Imam of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Of course the false imams in "Islam" wrongly teach that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel, because they refuse to read the Gospel of Jesus, even though Gabriel shared with Muhammad (peace be upon him) that we must read the Gospel of Jesus.

The Holy Spirit is NOT some third character in a pagan Roman 3=1 deity; the Holy Spirit is Father's SPIRITUAL connection to each of us, whereby we can receive guidance and wisdom from Him at any and all times, and ask Him questions, as well as convey His Truth and Wisdom to others.

And Whose is it that serves as the connection/intercessor/mediator/priest between Father (God) and us? CHRIST.

John 16:7-8
16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the Truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU.
16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
16:9 Of sin, because they believe not me;
16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of Truth, is come, he will GUIDE you into all Truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show [it] unto you.

John 14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.
14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I Live, ye shall live also.

Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called priest (etc.): for ONE is your Teacher, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Matthew 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for ONE is your Master, [even] Christ.

John 10:1-5
10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
10:2 But he that entereth in by the door (tells the Truth) is the Shepherd of the sheep.
10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] ONE God, and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN God and men, the Man Jesus Christ;

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So your comparison is again apples and oranges. The Bible and Koran are in perfect agreement, as God has promised.

Peace be upon you.
 






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