- Dec 21, 2017
Anointed means being given snake venom to activate the pineal gland.
i already answered the first q.
as for the second q, if they do, it's due to ignorance..
Tidal asked- In that case why aren't muslims Christians, and why do muslims think Mohammed is better than Jesus?
Sorry mate but your posts are becoming so long that I must have missed your reply buried somewhere in them.
My own debating style is to ask short straight questions in the hope of getting a short sharp answer..
Let me put my original question another way- if atheists decided to shop around for a religion to hitch their horses to, Jesus's credentials and the offer he put on the table for us seem way better than anybody elses, so what does Mohammed offer that's better?
For example Jesus's arrival was foretold many times in the Old T, and he did miracles that blew people's socks off, and he said if we become his mates, he's got our backs and will get us off this planet to a better place, so he's a hard act for any other "holy man" to follow..
The trick is to "mindmeld" with him-
"On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you" (John 14:20)
...personally i dont view it as Jesus vs Mohammad, i see it as Jesus and Mohammad...
..the truth is, roman christianity is far removed from original christianity....
...what Jesus said btw, was not for you, it was for his followers....
...pray to God through Jesus, ask in the name of Jesus, ask for an end to cancer worldwide....if cancer is healed by some new discovery, ill become a christian..
1- Unlike the Everly Brothers who sang in perfect harmony, Jesus and Mohammed were singing from totally different song sheets, so there's very ittle similarity..
2- Jesus was almost as big and well-known as Elvis, so if the Romans had tried to mess around with what he said, people would have quickly said- "Hey Caesar, put a sock in it, okay?"
3- Jesus told his followers to spread the gospel to EVERYBODY through the whole world..
4- You go first, pray to Mohammed to end cancer..
..it goes over your head, this religion stuff....
The Holy Spirit is our CONNECTION with Father (God, "I AM"). And that CONNECTION is Christ (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 6:20).all that was answered
you ask questions that require in depth answers though
i cant do this topic justice even in a long post. there are books and books on this topic.
personally i dont view it as Jesus vs Mohammad
i see it as Jesus and Mohammad.
since Jesus represents the Macrocosm and Mohammad the Microcosm, the 2 go hand in hand.
one completes the other.
were it not for Jesus, no Mohammad. Yet Jesus had to go away for Mohammad to come..
no, the holy spirit is not Mohammad, but the holy spirit certainly chose Mohammad to complete John 16, as in revelation and prophecy through a prophet..yet said prophet could only be a gentile, post Jesus.
the truth is, roman christianity is far removed from original christianity.
it is like comparing the israelites in egypt to the original patriarchs. they are different.
what Jesus said btw, was not for you, it was for his followers.
if it was for you, then all you need to do right now is pray to God through Jesus, ask in the name of Jesus, ask for an end to cancer worldwide.
let us see the result in a weeks time man.
if cancer is healed by some new discovery, ill become a christian and follow whatever you did. promise.
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the "lost sheep" of the "House of Israel" (the Ten "Lost" Tribes of Israel).Where show me the verse. Jesus said according to your book "I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel".
SuraOk, I think I have heard this "still small voice" on occasion. One of the things it told me is that nobody is ever definitely doomed and lost, that ultimately even the most fallen beings will have the opportunity to develop spiritual realization once they have faced the karma of whatever they have created. I struggle to understand how you can have a solid meditation practice and still be caught up in some of the ideas being promoted by your guru.
Yeah all this Abrahamic stuff with eternal hell and predestination really leaves me cold. If you look at it as an esoteric teaching employing symbols to illuminate hidden truths, it can make some sense, but in all of its dogmatic forms it's ridiculous. And you may think that you are free from such dogmas by rejecting "organized religion" (or as it might be better named, the "exoteric"), actually your teaching still includes them - the two aforementioned, for example, and the whole God-Satan dualism.Sura
22:49. Say: "O men! I am (sent) to you only to give a Clear Warning:
22:50. Those who believe and work righteousness, for them is forgiveness and a sustenance most generous.
22:51. But those who strive against Our Signs, to frustrate them,- they will be Companions of The Fire."
22:52. Never did We send an Apostle or a Prophet before thee, but, when he framed a desire, Satan threw some (vanity) into his desire: but "I AM" will cancel anything (vain) that Satan throws in, and "I AM" will confirm (and establish) His Signs: for "I AM" is full of Knowledge and Wisdom:
22:53. That He may make the suggestions thrown in by Satan, but a trial for those in whose hearts is a disease and who are hardened of heart: verily the wrong-doers are in a schism far (from the Truth):
22:54. And that those on whom Knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the (Koran) is the Truth from thy Lord, and that they may believe therein, and their hearts may be made humbly (open) to it: for verily "I AM" is the Guide, of those who believe, to The Straight Way.
The Message that concurs throughout all of the Books:
Just Worship ONLY God.
Only God is Pure. The Books themselves, are not pure. The prophets and apostles themselves, were not pure (not perfect). That means, not even Jesus (The Example) is to be worshiped instead of/in place of God. As he told everyone:
Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but One, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the Commandments.
Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven IS perfect.
And certainly not Muhammad, either:
Sura 3:144. Muhammad is no more than an Apostle: many were the Apostles that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to God; but God (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
Sura 18:110. Say: "I am only a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your God is One God: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as His partner.
The Instruction is never to worship the Prophets and Apostles, (or any Angel or Messenger) but to take heed of God's Message that they bring to Mankind (as Warners) and to take heed of and obey them. -
Sura 3:31. Say: "If ye do love God, follow me: God will love you and forgive you your sins: for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
3:32. Say: "Obey God and His Messenger": but if they turn back, God loveth not those who reject Faith.
This is the true account:
3:18. There is no God but He: that is the witness of God, His angels, and those endued with Knowledge, standing firm on justice. There is no God but He, the Exalted in Power, the Wise.
3:19. The Religion before God is eagerly desiring to do His Will: nor did the People of The Book (Bible) dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after Knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of God, God is swift in calling to account.
3:58. This is what We rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom.
3:59. The similitude of Jesus (the human) before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be": and he was.
3:60. The Truth (comes) from God alone; so be not of those who doubt.
3:61. If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge hath come to thee, say: "Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of God on those who lie!"
3:62. This is the true account: there is no god except God; and God- He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.
Peace be upon you and within you.
Isn't this Satanism 101?This latter fails to comprehend that what is known as "Satan", "Lucifer" etc is not some individual being who made some mistake but a universal potency which leads us to experience material existence in order to attain a state of individual self realization rather than the elemental bliss of non-identity (symbolized by the Garden of Eden). This world is not some mistake that we have to get out of in order to return to an original position, it is an opportunity for self-realization, for becoming realized beings who have had experience rather than innocent beings without experience. All beings must first have "knowledge of good and evil" in order to attain self-realization (by overcoming themselves and the desires of the body, meaning that a self and a body are both necessary parts of the process).
No, you don't understand. I'm not suggesting that people should worship Satan. He represents slavery and being caught up in the bonds of matter, addiction, materialistic ignorance, everything bad, basically. This material existence (many, in fact) is something that we have to go through in order to have the possibility of attaining self-realization, recapturing our lost innocence but with consciousness and individual identity rather than in a state of unconscious bliss with no identity. The point of the whole process is to overcome what keeps us bound to matter, to face up to the darkness and overcome it.Isn't this Satanism 101?
By the way, I was talking to Forever Light because he/she is obviously into the "JahTruth" thing, which has this whole wierd story about us all being fallen angels and the creation of the world as a prison for evil "spirit beings" who engaged in some kind of rebellion on another planet.
Are you trying, in your theory, to implicitly refute the Genesis story and original sin? The differences between the Genesis story and the Quranic story are very important to note, and you may find that they answer some of the problems you have with the Biblical account.No, you don't understand. I'm not suggesting that people should worship Satan. He represents slavery and being caught up in the bonds of matter, addiction, materialistic ignorance, everything bad, basically. This material existence (many, in fact) is something that we have to go through in order to have the possibility of attaining self-realization, recapturing our lost innocence but with consciousness and individual identity rather than in a state of unconscious bliss with no identity. The point of the whole process is to overcome what keeps us bound to matter, to face up to the darkness and overcome it.
All I'm saying is that the darkness has to be there in order for us to have the opportunity to overcome it. There is reason behind all of this world, it isn't a mistake or the result of an error.
Yeah I like the Islamic interpretation better, the idea of being "stained" by some sin of our ancestors is absurd. But I like the Genesis story too. There's a Gnostic interpretation that the serpent was a kind of liberator, that the Garden of Eden was the false paradise of the Demiurge, and by eating from the tree humanity was "cast down" into the painful existence of this earth but freed from the false innocence of the Demiurge's "paradise". So the serpent saying "you will become gods, knowing good and evil" was not an empty lie, but was true in the sense that the human existence on earth gives us the opportunity to awaken and spiritually evolve towards a state of total consciousness, a spiritual existence where innocence is regained without the loss of the wisdom of experience... and when that arrives, those who attain it could quite truly be said to be "gods".Are you trying, in your theory, to implicitly refute the Genesis story and original sin? The differences between the Genesis story and the Quranic story are very important to note, and you may find that they answer some of the problems you have with the Biblical account.
-- Man was intended to dwell on Earth, before Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree. So being in this state of bliss and innocence was always meant to be temporary. "And when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am about to place a viceroy in the earth, they said: wilt Thou place therein one who will do harm therein and will shed blood, while we, we hymn Thy praise and sanctify Thee? He said: Surely I know that which ye know not." (Quran, 2:30)
-- God indicates that the unique thing about man, out of all His other creation, is that he can learn. "He taught Adam all the names of everything." (Quran, 2:31) Although man was created weak and subject to desires, he can learn from his mistakes.
-- "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and eat both of you freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever you will, but come not near this tree or you both will be of the dhalimin (wrong doers)." (Quran, 2:35)
-- “So he (Satan) misled them with deception.” (Quran, 7:22)
-- God knew, before Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden tree, that they would commit this sin. Their sin was not some kind of Pandora's box that brought evil and sin into the world.
-- Adam and Eve both bore equal responsibility for their eating of the tree. Eve did not tempt Adam; she was not the weaker of the two.
-- Their doing so was a mistake. They had not hitherto experienced the cunning deceptions of Satan. The sin, and the ensuing consequence served as an important lesson to all mankind about Satan's tricks and illusions, and about the consequences of sin. Satan was firmly established in this way as a clear enemy to humankind. "Children of Adam, did We not command you not to worship satan. He was your sworn enemy." (Quran 36:60)
-- The descendants of Adam do not bear the sin of their forefather. They are not punished for it. Every human is born free of sin. "No bearer of burdens shall bear another's burden." (Quran, 35:18)
-- God told Adam and Eve that heaven was no longer to be their abode. Their home was now Earth, for a fixed time. “Get you down (upon the earth), all of you together, from Paradise, some of you are an enemy to some others. Then, if there comes to you guidance from Me, whoever follows My Guidance shall neither go astray, nor fall into distress and misery.” (Quran, 20:123)
-- Adam and Eve repented sincerely after their sin. God forgave them in His infinite mercy. The prayer that God gave them with which they could ask for forgiveness: “Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If you forgive us not and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers.” (Quran, 7:23) We may also use the same prayer to ask God to forgive us.
-- Adam and Eve's descent to Earth was not one of humiliation or degradation.
-- Earth is not our true home. We are here only for a fixed time. We will return to God in the hereafter, and go either to heaven or to hell. Heaven is for those who follow the guidance that God sends to Earth, and submit to God humbly.
-- "O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that be might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not." (Quran, 7:27)
-- The battle between good and evil continues on Earth. Each man is responsible for his own actions.