Thunderian
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Convince me Islam is better than what I have now.
But you've made the same types of threads and comments against Islam... are you putting that behind you?OK, this thread finally convinced me what I'm currently contemplating is worth posting about. This is too stupid, you guys, and really completely unworthy. We're down to 'size of my penis versus your penis' with this kind of thing. The intent of this thread, as well as the replies, has nothing to do with the love of next of kind and the real spiritual empowerment that is inherent in genuine religious conviction.
Study the Qur'an and you'll find out lol. I thought I had but I never found the desire to please or even have a connection with Allah whereas I found a deep seated love for God in myself when I read the bible before I even understood much of the bible. Idk read the Qur'an and decide yourself.Convince me Islam is better than what I have now.
That wouldn't be accurate from OP's perspective though. The question is personal not political, and it goes beyond the temporal.I wonder if @Thunderian may permit me to rephrase the question into "What could Islam possibly offer a despiritualised, postmodern and critically confused West?"
The West detached itself from such ordinances by discarding Christianity... it provided the West with a spiritual anchor that it has been looking for ever since.IIn 1978 Alexander Solzhenitsyn came to Washington and offered a prescient and fundamental observation of Western democracy and the cultural condition of its societies: “A decline in courage may be the most striking feature which an outside observer notices in the West in our days. The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole and separately, in each country, each government, each political party, and, of course, in the United Nations. Such a decline in courage is particularly noticeable among the ruling groups and the intellectual elite, causing an impression of loss of courage by the entire society. Of course, there are many courageous individuals, but they have no determining influence on public life.”
Solzhenitsyn was pointing out the obvious lack of objective moral standards and the proliferation of relativism in the conduct of the political classes and democratic institutions. As someone that had suffered under the major evil of Soviet totalitarianism, he was acutely aware of the many minor evils that had crept into Western culture and threatened to destroy it and/or turn it into a destroyer of others.
He was scathing about the press. In remarks that have special resonance today, Solzhenitsyn accuses the media of indulging in false narratives and confusing a population that lacks critical faculties: "In spite of the abundance of information, or maybe because of it, the West has difficulties in understanding reality such as it is"
What a genius. He was addressing fake news in 1978!
The subtext and context of Solzhenitsyn's critique of Western Democratic Capitalism was that it had thrown away the only relevant objective moral standard - God - and replaced it with a series of devolving social and economic theories that could only lead to oblivion.
This is where Islam comes in. It is the only comprehensive value system - with over a thousand year track record - that remains unaffected by postmodernism, both in theory and practice.
It has managed to preserve its 'divine spark', its objective moral standard. For Sozhenitsyn's idea that there is no truth BUT the truth read Islam's there is no God BUT God
Its easy to dismiss Islam after glancing at the chaos and insanity prevailing in the Near East and other parts of the Muslim World. That would be a mistake. These areas are no more representative of Islam than Soviet Communism was representative of the Eastern Orthodox Church. The real core strength of Islam is its enduring ability to be true to itself, its followers and the world.
The West detached itself from such ordinances by discarding Christianity. Whatever its faults, it provided the West with a spiritual anchor that it has been looking for ever since. Along the way, it has explored extremes of totalitarianism and nihilism, from extreme ends of the ideological spectrum. Islam has been a cultural factor in avoiding such convulsions in its part of the world. It now seems that the West, in the late stages of postmodernism, is beginning to turn inward in a state of angst, confusion and cultural crises. Solzhenitsyn highlighted this, too:
“There are meaningful warnings which history gives a threatened or perishing society. Such are, for instance, the decadence of art, or a lack of great statesmen. There are open and evident warnings, too. The center of your democracy and of your culture is left without electric power for a few hours only, and all of a sudden crowds of American citizens start looting and creating havoc. The smooth surface film must be very thin, then, the social system quite unstable and unhealthy.
But the fight for our planet, physical and spiritual, a fight of cosmic proportions, is not a vague matter of the future; it has already started. The forces of Evil have begun their offensive; you can feel their pressure, and yet your screens and publications are full of prescribed smiles and raised glasses. What is the joy about?”
So those who are not Muslims on these forums must have the good grace to acknowledge the core strength of Islam and the vitality of its presence in the world. If the West is to be recovered for Christianity, the strength of Islam should be instructive and not a threat. After all, there is nothing more embarrassing than expressing ones inferiority complexes on online forums !?
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/alexandersolzhenitsynharvard.htm
I often think the same of your threads, but you've surprised me on occasion with some random insight. Typically, it's political but that is rarely far removed from the spiritual-- I think we all understand that. ☆A Zionist Christian is asking us what Islam can offer. This is funny. Your own life is a contradiction (being a ZIONIST CHRISTIAN) so perhaps you should take care of that first before you try to make your life better by choosing Islam.
EDIT: This is definitely just a bait thread. Look at who the poster is lol.
That's what people say when they don't have a proper rebuttal to the questions and statements of others. I have asked you and Thunderian questions in numerous debates/discussions and you guys always seem to run away. If you want to debate and not cower away holler at me, Zionist.I often think the same of your threads, but you've surprised me on occasion with some random insight. Typically, it's political but that is rarely far removed from the spiritual-- I think we all understand that. ☆
How could governments in "Islamic" nations instilled by Western secular leaders be politically stable? It's a recipe for disaster but then that's always been the goal. If you can't colonize them anymore just make sure they're not stable. However, prior to WWI Islamic nations, especially during the prophet's life and after his death, there were many flourishing and stable Islamic regions.Agreed, absolutely... the absence of even the common decency Christianity facilitated has taken a toll. But it was a slow burn-- it didn't happen all at once. And no offense intended here, but I don't see any evidence that Islam is currently providing a more politically or socially stable alternative, anywhere.