What Are American Soldiers Actually Dying For?

[Lisa]

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What countries aren’t like that? Take African countries where their leaders are dictators and they Lord it over their people, keeping them poor and taking all the aid money sent for themselves. Keeping themselves in power by their own armies.

Take the government of Iran who sends its fighters into Israel to keep a war going with them..why don’t they just stay out of it? Hezbollah anyone?

How about when England and France took out Ghadaffi, ya the US was in that but they led the charge..but the

Ah yes, "democracy and freedom", to be exported at the barrel of a gun... Though dictators are fine so long as they serve US economic interests, neo-liberalism. I think that I would say that's pretty much what US soldiers are actually dying for, to advance the neo-liberal agenda and help those whose interests it serves.

And Tommy Robinson!? The Islamophobic bigot who leads the gang of blatantly racist thugs? The EDL obviously think that they're defending British culture against the so-called "barbarians at the gates" but for the kind of people who are involved with that organization British culture consists of drinking a few pints at the pub and watching the football. I imagine he'd have less of a problem with Islam if it permitted beer...

Dictators are fine with any country, since most dictators are still doing there thing in the countries they rule in, I don’t see any country interfering with that.

All soldiers die for someone else’s interests...

Yes, Tommy Robinson..he became interested when his own cousin was revealed to be one of the girls that was preyed upon..its hard to pretend it isn’t happening then don’t ya think? Not only is he fighting a truth war in England, he’s fighting it against his own government that wants him to shut up but getting him deplatformed, throwing him in prison and making him pay exhorbitant amounts in court costs each time they try him for some offense...all for what? Is he a murderer? Had he started a pyramid scheme and bilked millions from people? No, he’s just been the voice against muslim r*pe gangs....

 

[shankara]

What countries aren’t like that? Take African countries where their leaders are dictators and they Lord it over their people, keeping them poor and taking all the aid money sent for themselves. Keeping themselves in power by their own armies.

(American) capitalism is doing a whole lot more in terms of keeping Africa poor than African leaders. Yeah so the US does give some money in aid (less, percentage wise, than many other countries) but it serves capitalist interests to have some poor countries to produce goods in allowing higher profit margins selling them in richer places.

Take the government of Iran who sends its fighters into Israel to keep a war going with them..why don’t they just stay out of it? Hezbollah anyone?

The Iranians may be many things but I don't think they are imperialists.

Yes, Tommy Robinson..he became interested when his own cousin was revealed to be one of the girls that was preyed upon..its hard to pretend it isn’t happening then don’t ya think? Not only is he fighting a truth war in England, he’s fighting it against his own government that wants him to shut up but getting him deplatformed, throwing him in prison and making him pay exhorbitant amounts in court costs each time they try him for some offense...all for what? Is he a murderer? Had he started a pyramid scheme and bilked millions from people? No, he’s just been the voice against muslim r*pe gangs....

Right so every Muslim is involved in raping young girls!? It's some isolated cases, not a common phenomenon. From what I read it seems that by broadcasting the trial of some men involved in this kind of thing Mr Robinson actually almost caused the trial to collapse because they couldn't trust that the jury wouldn't have been influenced by him. Yeah, real "truth war". The guy is a dumb thug, football hooligan.

Anyway, the EDL is basically just a racist organization. Not that this would probably bother you as you seem to be quite in favor of anti-Muslim hate...

 

[Lisa]

American) capitalism is doing a whole lot more in terms of keeping Africa poor than African leaders. Yeah so the US does give some money in aid (less, percentage wise, than many other countries) but it serves capitalist interests to have some poor countries to produce goods in allowing higher profit margins selling them in richer places.

So, its the US that’s keeping Africa down and not their leaders? Um...ok.

The Iranians may be many things but I don't think they are imperialists.

They don’t want to rule the world with Sharia? Isn’t that what islam is all about anyway?

Right so every Muslim is involved in raping young girls!? It's some isolated cases, not a common phenomenon. From what I read it seems that by broadcasting the trial of some men involved in this kind of thing Mr Robinson actually almost caused the trial to collapse because they couldn't trust that the jury wouldn't have been influenced by him. Yeah, real "truth war". The guy is a dumb thug, football hooligan.

Anyway, the EDL is basically just a racist organization. Not that this would probably bother you as you seem to be quite in favor of anti-Muslim hate...

There are quite a few muslim r*pe gangs in England and thousands of girls, not women, but school girls that were raped, drugged, abused for muslim jollies I guess because there are quite a few men who were implicated in it and in different cities all over England, Luton was just one town where it was happening and the police were looking the other way...horrible! Its good that is was exposed and the perpetrators in prison...
The grooming gangs scandal is one of the most shameful episodes in modern British history.

This is real r*pe culture in the West: gangs of predatory men preying upon vulnerable victims while authorities looked the other way.

Hundreds of girls, some as young as 11, have been repeatedly raped, beaten and trafficked by groups of men who saw them as nothing more than pieces of meat.

For years, the systematic abuse went unchecked because authorities were too frightened to act, given the offenders were from immigrant communities, mainly British Pakistani Muslims.

Crippled by political correctness, police and child-protection services allowed the abuse of poor, marginalised girls and women to occur under their noses.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/rita-panahi/grooming-gangsthe-grim-toll-of-pc-bias/news-story/5c87fd0128e84e0cb04e005824ef8759

He actually didn’t collapse the trial, they were in the sentencing phase and he didn’t do anything wrong in what he reported.

He seems actually quite intelligent he did speak at Oxford you know?

He’s also not with the EDL anymore because he couldn’t keep racists elements out of it and he’s just a reporter now, has his own bus to get around and do his reporting. Fortunately, it looks like he will make it through his prison stay for reporting at a trial, video above, and now he’s got financial problems associated with that trial that he needs to take care of. Idk what he’s going to do next though besides a documentary that he’s been working on.

 

[polymoog]

What's wrong with Bolivia? I don't think Evo Morales is any kind of dictator.

i actually like morales and his anti-american stance (which is essentially an anti-NWO stance), but all of latin america is horribly corrupt.
an american involvement overseas is NWO involvement overseas.

 

[DavidSon]

ARMS MANUFACTURERS TELL INVESTORS THAT IRAN TENSION FUELS BUSINESS
https://theintercept.com/2019/05/28/arms-manufacturers-investors-iran-business/

"DEFENSE EXECUTIVES FROM around the country crowded into Goldman Sachs’ glimmering tower in downtown Manhattan in mid-May, eager to present before a conference of bankers and financial analysts.
While much of the world was on edge over simmering tension in the Middle East, as the U.S. and its allies have stoked tensions with Iran, the businessmen at the conference talked of opportunity.
Eric DeMarco, the president of Kratos Defense & Security Solutions, addressed the conference, arguing that his company is “very well-aligned” for the shift in the military budget away from asymmetrical fighting toward nation-state warfare.

The rising threat of war with Iran, Russia, and China, DeMarco continued, could threaten U.S. naval power, which could require ballistic missile threat upgrades, the type of systems Kratos Defense specializes in.
Large arms manufacturers from across the industry have similarly told investors that escalating conflict with Iran could be good for business."


I wonder, if the Islamists are solely responsible for Syria’s destruction, isn’t it just plain curious that Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Wolfowitz et al NEVER invited them to the table to formulate the Clean Break Report (written in 1996 for Netanyahu’s govt) together? I mean, both groups, apparently [were] in consensus on Syria’s destruction. Do you think the invites to the Islamists just got lost in the mail and the guys over at ISASP just carried on without them?

Under the subheading, Moving to a Traditional Balance of Power Strategy:

12. “Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria.”[itallics mine]
13. “This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.”
14. “Damascus fears that a “natural axis” with Israel on one side, central Iraq and Turkey on the other,and Jordan, in the center would squeeze and detach Syria from the Saudi Peninsula. For Syria, it would be a prelude to redrawing the map of the Middle East….
15. Iraq’s future could affect the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2004/02/14/clean-break-with-the-road-map/


This is an interesting comment, albeit bleak. Do you think your assessment will still hold when the “wars come home”/Battlefield America? Mike Pence’s West point grad speech as he listed future theatres of war:

"some of you may even be called upon to serve in this hemisphere."

While most people figured that he was talking about Venezuela/Cuba, I believe that he had more in mind or that he just couldn’t state the obvious.

West Point calls for Megacities combat Unit.

I suppose that by the time America becomes an actual battlefield, as we’ve come to know a battlefield, it might be during a Depression/economic collapse. So, is your comment hinting at that future, when the obvious choice is between making meth and fighting for the gov’t against your old (hometown) neighbors?

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[DavidSon's post on Battlefield America]

All 3 of the angles you're looking at US war from are so horrible, hard to believe this is reality. Despite our technological gains society is actually devolving instead of progressing.

1)60% of US taxes are gifted back to the weapons/security industry. American ignorance is allowing wealthy private corporations to yet again try and swindle our tax $ because of another made-up threat of "terrorism" (Iran). As Sjursen said, people have no knowledge of US history or foreign policy. We're completely in the dark about the "conflicts" the last 20 years, while the MIC is robbing the public blind. This includes democrats as much as republicans.

https://www.thenation.com/article/military-industrial-complex-green-new-deal/

"The military-industrial complex is not just a product of the “foreign-policy establishment.” It protects and strengthens that establishment. It has served as too great a barrel of pork for elected officials, well-heeled donors, and (more understandably) US workers—so much that private contractors, now, reap almost 50 percent of the military budget. Any effort to reform this “industry,” to figure out how it can be a slave, not a master, of the public interest, is crucial. And conversion (via nationalization) might be one."

2) The public should riot after reading that there's been documented, behind-the-scenes plans for military interventions across the globe. Especially when they're tied into secret alliances with foreign nations. Again, people are kept uneducated and numb to the operations WE are paying for.

3) The pentagon's own video on future "complexities" says everything about what they're envisioning: mass urban warfare.

The training video is only five minutes long, but it says a lot about the government’s mindset, the way its views the citizenry so-called “problems” that the government must be prepared to address in the near future through the use of martial law.​

Even more troubling, however, is what this military video doesn’t say about the Constitution, about the rights of the citizenry, and about the dangers of locking down the nation and using the military to address political and social problems.

The training video anticipates that all hell will break loose by 2030—that’s barely ten short years away—but the future is here ahead of schedule.

It makes me think about @Awoken2 's posts about predictive programming. I can't think of how many 100's of movies/videos that take place in these future dystopian, mega-slums. It will be fitting irony when the demon that the base, ignorant American public has allowed to terrorize the world is turned back on ourselves.

 

[DavidSon]

US Purchased Weapons in the Hands of ISIS in Yeman

"It has the Ansar Allah movemment (the Houthis) on the one side, and Saudi Arabia and UAE on the other. The US allegedly is present, mostly to provide some limited support and supposedly only fights against ISIS, which is active in the country to mostly complicate the situation. These documents substantiate claims that the US isn’t actually fighting against ISIS, but is rather supporting it in the proxy fight against Iran."

 

[shankara]

So, its the US that’s keeping Africa down and not their leaders? Um...ok.

Yes Capitalism has quite a lot to do with the poor economic situation in Africa. In fact Africans are not idiot savages incapable of governing themselves. There is some government corruption, partly due to the legacy of colonialism, but that isn't the whole of the story.

According to The Guardian:

'Aisha Dodwell, a campaigner for Global Justice Now, said: “There’s such a powerful narrative in western societies that Africa is poor and that it needs our help. This research shows that what African countries really need is for the rest of the world to stop systematically looting them. While the form of colonial plunder may have changed over time, its basic nature remains unchanged.

The report points out that Africa has considerable riches. South Africa’s potential mineral wealth is estimated to be around $2.5tn, while the mineral reserves of the Democratic Republic of the Congo are thought to be worth $24tn.

However, the continent’s natural resources are owned and exploited by foreign, private corporations, the report said."

And...

"A key issue, he said, was illicit financial flows, via multinational corporations, to overseas tax havens."

Also see this article.

They don’t want to rule the world with Sharia? Isn’t that what islam is all about anyway?

Well no, that's literally not the case. Maybe ISIS and other extremists like that but not Muslims in general. I'm sure one of the Muslims here can give a better answer than me, but I can point you to this article.

The Qu'ran says there is no compulsion in religion.

There are quite a few muslim r*pe gangs in England and thousands of girls, not women, but school girls that were raped, drugged, abused for muslim jollies I guess because there are quite a few men who were implicated in it and in different cities all over England, Luton was just one town where it was happening and the police were looking the other way...horrible! Its good that is was exposed and the perpetrators in prison...
The grooming gangs scandal is one of the most shameful episodes in modern British history.

This is real r*pe culture in the West: gangs of predatory men preying upon vulnerable victims while authorities looked the other way.

Hundreds of girls, some as young as 11, have been repeatedly raped, beaten and trafficked by groups of men who saw them as nothing more than pieces of meat.

For years, the systematic abuse went unchecked because authorities were too frightened to act, given the offenders were from immigrant communities, mainly British Pakistani Muslims.

Crippled by political correctness, police and child-protection services allowed the abuse of poor, marginalised girls and women to occur under their noses.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/rita-panahi/grooming-gangsthe-grim-toll-of-pc-bias/news-story/5c87fd0128e84e0cb04e005824ef8759

He actually didn’t collapse the trial, they were in the sentencing phase and he didn’t do anything wrong in what he reported.

He seems actually quite intelligent he did speak at Oxford you know?

He’s also not with the EDL anymore because he couldn’t keep racists elements out of it and he’s just a reporter now, has his own bus to get around and do his reporting. Fortunately, it looks like he will make it through his prison stay for reporting at a trial, video above, and now he’s got financial problems associated with that trial that he needs to take care of. Idk what he’s going to do next though besides a documentary that he’s been working on.

Yeah ok so there was a problem with these grooming gangs and maybe there is some kind of cultural problem for a small minority of Muslim men. This doesn't, however, reflect on Islam in general. Furthermore there was no need for Tommy Robinson to 'expose' this as it was already all over the newspapers. One commentator states (link):

"In fact, as extensive coverage catapulted Child Sexual Exploitation (CSE) cases involving Asian perpetrators – such as in Rotherham and Rochdale – into national consciousness, those involving groups of white perpetrators such as in Penzance, Torbay, Derby and Bristol passed by with little attention or scrutiny."

The trial which Robinson disrupted, by the way, wasn't in the sentencing phase, I don't know where you heard that.

 

[Lisa]

@Lisa

seeing your comments, you seem to be a patriotic Jewish American.

I’m really not that patriotic, but am tired of the America bashing as if we are the biggest losers of the world when we aren’t.
Nope, not Jewish, spin again..lol!

 

[Lisa]

There is some government corruption, partly due to the legacy of colonialism, but that isn't the whole of the story.

Some government corruption? You’ve got to be kidding me!
This divide is part of a bitter battle in South Africa. It all revolves around a controversial governmental proposal to seize land from white farmers without paying for it — land expropriation without compensation, as it's known.

"What it means is essentially 'take land from the white people.' That's all that it means," said Moeletsi Mbeki, deputy chairman at the South African Institute of International Affairs.

Since the end of apartheid — once South Africa's system of legal segregation — the nation's leading political party, the African National Congress, has followed a “willing seller, willing buyer” model whereby the government buys white-owned farms for redistribution to black farmers.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/growing-fight-south-africa-land-identity/story?id=62280577

When it comes to Africa both during and after colonialism, many states can be recognized as having some of the worst leaders the world has ever seen. African dictators can be some of the richest people in the world and leading a country filled with the poorest. They can kill and starve their people with impunity while lining their own pockets. They treat the land and lives of millions as their own personal playgrounds, making people work to increase the fortune of their leaders while they face brutal reprisals if they don’t work.
https://historycollection.co/ten-corrupt-african-dictators-modern-history/

The Qu'ran says there is no compulsion in religion.

Yep, the quran says a lot of things but have you heard of taquiya?

Deception, Lying
and Taqiyya
Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences" or "gain the upper-hand over an enemy"
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya (the Shia name). These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

Yeah ok so there was a problem with these grooming gangs and maybe there is some kind of cultural problem for a small minority of Muslim men.

Huge problem! It was a lot of muslim men..from all over Britain.

In fact, the Islamic connection is very strong, as I highlighted in an article earlier this year: “Sacrificing girls to political correctness.” The latest statistics for convictions show that 283/325 r*pe gang convictions are of people with Islamic names, and therefore with Islamic heritage and most likely self-identifying as Muslim. This means 87% of the convictions are Muslims, compared with only 5% of the population being Muslim. Mathematically this means that a Muslim man is some 127 times more likely to be convicted as part of a grooming gang than a non-Muslim. My previous article outlined the justification for sex slaves from the Qur’an.
https://christianconcern.com/comment/what-help-is-there-for-victims-of-islamic-r*pe-gangs/

The trial which Robinson disrupted, by the way, wasn't in the sentencing phase, I don't know where you heard that.

Robinson stood trial last week for the purported offence of filming sex groomers and gang rapists on their way into a Leeds courthouse last spring. During a 90-minute Facebook Live stream, he broadcast their arrivals and asked them how they felt about the forthcoming verdicts. Several responded with lewd comments about Robinson's wife and mother.
https://www.steynonline.com/9533/contempt-is-the-new-tax-evasion

 

[shankara]

So we're going way off topic here(!) but oh well, still some interesting points...

Some government corruption? You’ve got to be kidding me!
This divide is part of a bitter battle in South Africa. It all revolves around a controversial governmental proposal to seize land from white farmers without paying for it — land expropriation without compensation, as it's known.

"What it means is essentially 'take land from the white people.' That's all that it means," said Moeletsi Mbeki, deputy chairman at the South African Institute of International Affairs.

Since the end of apartheid — once South Africa's system of legal segregation — the nation's leading political party, the African National Congress, has followed a “willing seller, willing buyer” model whereby the government buys white-owned farms for redistribution to black farmers.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/growing-fight-south-africa-land-identity/story?id=62280577

And you can't understand why they would want to confiscate land from people who inherited it from colonial occupiers?

When it comes to Africa both during and after colonialism, many states can be recognized as having some of the worst leaders the world has ever seen. African dictators can be some of the richest people in the world and leading a country filled with the poorest. They can kill and starve their people with impunity while lining their own pockets. They treat the land and lives of millions as their own personal playgrounds, making people work to increase the fortune of their leaders while they face brutal reprisals if they don’t work.
https://historycollection.co/ten-corrupt-african-dictators-modern-history/

Somewhat like multinational corporations.

Yep, the quran says a lot of things but have you heard of taquiya?

Deception, Lying
and Taqiyya
Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences" or "gain the upper-hand over an enemy"
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya (the Shia name). These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

I think you're somewhat paranoid Lisa... From the article on Sharia I linked you to:

"Many advocates of the “Sharia threat” also refer to taqiyya, an Arabic word which means concealing one’s faith out of fear of death, to mean religiously justified lying. However, the majority of Muslims know nothing about, let alone subscribe to the theological concept of taqiyya, in fact, it is a minority opinion and is generally discussed in the context of a war where one’s life is threatened.
The charge of taqqiya is often deployed by “Sharia threat” advocates when confronted with evidence that refutes their thesis. Under this methodology one cannot trust any practicing Muslim. Even if a Muslim preaches and practices non-violence, these individuals would say that person is either not a true Muslim or is practicing taqiyya. While providing a mechanism for critics to ignore any disconfirming evidence, adopting such an interpretation of taqiyya would almost certainly result in every observant Muslim being branded a liar or suspect simply by virtue of being Muslim."

Obviously you have already decided due to your particular religious prejudices that everything about Islam is evil so even if you were confronted with evidence that it isn't, you would ignore it. This is called 'confirmation bias'. Do you actually know any Muslims?

Huge problem! It was a lot of muslim men..from all over Britain.

In fact, the Islamic connection is very strong, as I highlighted in an article earlier this year: “Sacrificing girls to political correctness.” The latest statistics for convictions show that 283/325 r*pe gang convictions are of people with Islamic names, and therefore with Islamic heritage and most likely self-identifying as Muslim. This means 87% of the convictions are Muslims, compared with only 5% of the population being Muslim. Mathematically this means that a Muslim man is some 127 times more likely to be convicted as part of a grooming gang than a non-Muslim. My previous article outlined the justification for sex slaves from the Qur’an.
https://christianconcern.com/comment/what-help-is-there-for-victims-of-islamic-r*pe-gangs/


Robinson stood trial last week for the purported offence of filming sex groomers and gang rapists on their way into a Leeds courthouse last spring. During a 90-minute Facebook Live stream, he broadcast their arrivals and asked them how they felt about the forthcoming verdicts. Several responded with lewd comments about Robinson's wife and mother.
https://www.steynonline.com/9533/contempt-is-the-new-tax-evasion

Yeah, there might be some kind of cultural problem, I'm not denying it. But blaming it on the Quran is absurd, there are plenty of passages in the Old Testament which refer to unethical acts and I'm sure you wouldn't like to have people slander Christians on that basis. Again your sources seem to be Christians who have a problem with Muslims already. You call it "spiritual vision", most people call it prejudice or confirmation bias.

Honestly it seems to me like this Tommy Robinson guy just likes to cause controversy to advance his agenda.

So American soldiers are dying so that American people can go on hating Muslims, convincing the Muslims that they are being persecuted and driving the naive and uneducated among them to extremism.

 

[The Shadow Knows]

my answer is for blood sacrifice. some soldiers even wear the proper symbolism on their uniforms.

 

[Stephania]

 

[Lisa]

So we're going way off topic here(!) but oh well, still some interesting points...

Ya, I know...

And you can't understand why they would want to confiscate land from people who inherited it from colonial occupiers?

I don’t see where America comes into this equation, which is what you were trying to imply earlier. That there was some government corruption but America was the biggest problem in these countries.

Somewhat like multinational corporations.

Do multinational companies have armies? Do they own the land and the people or is the dictators themselves that do it? How much was Mugabe worth again? He could have ruled better and shared the wealth, but he only looked out for himself.

I think you're somewhat paranoid Lisa...

No, just realistic.

Obviously you have already decided due to your particular religious prejudices that everything about Islam is evil so even if you were confronted with evidence that it isn't, you would ignore it. This is called 'confirmation bias'.

I have decided because of the things I’ve read in the papers about what muslims do in the world, I didn’t have any religious prejudices about muslims, but sought to understand how they could do the things they did in the world when the religion of peace seemed hypocritical to what their deeds were. In other words, actions spoke louder than words.

But blaming it on the Quran is absurd,

Why? That’s what all muslims have in common, their ‘holy book.’

Honestly it seems to me like this Tommy Robinson guy just likes to cause controversy to advance his agenda.

I think he was just trying to inform people of what he knew and he didn’t expect the blow back on it, especially not from his government. His problem, if you want to call it that, is that he won’t let anyone bully him.

So American soldiers are dying so that American people can go on hating Muslims, convincing the Muslims that they are being persecuted and driving the naive and uneducated among them to extremism.

American soldiers are dying like any soldier in any government because they are fighting wars their government sends them to fight whether they like it or not, that’s what they all signed up for.

 

[Karlysymon]

Katy Perry and the military-pop-cultural complex
"A more realistic portrayal of military life might note that no one threw them a parade after the end of the Iraq war, and no one bothered to thank them for their service. It might show how the military machine chews up patriotic young men and women and spits them out. What men and women in the army and navy today tell me directly is that they know they are fighting for corporate interests, not their country's true defense. They say they tell themselves, "I am fighting for my colleagues" – because they know they can't say that they are truly fighting for their country."

^^The same goes for the upcoming Top Gun film.

I thought I’d mention that other countries aren’t any better.

No one said other countries are better. Its just that no other country is spread out this widely. If Russia, China and Iran (allegedly, the biggest sponsor of terrorism) are this widely spread, you can show us a chart.


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[Lisa]

Katy Perry and the military-pop-cultural complex
"A more realistic portrayal of military life might note that no one threw them a parade after the end of the Iraq war, and no one bothered to thank them for their service. It might show how the military machine chews up patriotic young men and women and spits them out. What men and women in the army and navy today tell me directly is that they know they are fighting for corporate interests, not their country's true defense. They say they tell themselves, "I am fighting for my colleagues" – because they know they can't say that they are truly fighting for their country."

^^The same goes for the upcoming Top Gun film.


No one said other countries are better. Its just that no other country is spread out this widely. If Russia, China and Iran (allegedly, the biggest sponsor of terrorism) are this widely spread, you can show us a chart.
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Does Naomi Wolf actually know men and women from the army? I thought that the bonds between soldiers was legendary..why wouldn’t they be fighting for each other? They all want to go home at the end of the day.

Idk if the other countries you mentioned are that transparent that we would know where they really are? Other countries must want our presence in their countries, maybe they sleep better at night knowing we are there?

 

[Orwell's mentor]

Other countries must want our presence in their countries, maybe they sleep better at night knowing we are there?

 

[Lisa]

Better than say Russian troops or Islamic troops..

 

[Karlysymon]

Other countries must want our presence in their countries, maybe they sleep better at night knowing we are there?

Iam sure Assad must sleep so well at night since he begged them to encamp in his territory, right? Do those, at the receiving-end of the rapes and murders sleep well at night?
The US maintains thousands of troops on Okinawa on several bases, and locals have long objected to their presence.

 

[Lisa]

Iam sure Assad must sleep so well at night since he begged them to encamp in his territory, right? Do those, at the receiving-end of the rapes and murders sleep well at night?
The US maintains thousands of troops on Okinawa on several bases, and locals have long objected to their presence.

One guy out of all that are stationed there? The UN peacekeepers have more rapists than that..
UN peacekeepers in Congo hold record for r*pe, sex abuse
https://www.apnews.com/69e56ab46cab400f9f4b3753bd79c930

 

[Karlysymon]

What was it all for?
I got to thinking on that when I read a story this week which was both disturbing, refreshing, and sickening all at the same time. A major opinion poll’s results were released which demonstrated that fully two-thirds of post 9/11 veterans now think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan “weren’t worth fighting.”That’s a remarkable, and distressing, statistic and one that should give America’s president, legislators, media, and people as a whole, serious pause. Not that it will, mind you, but it should! It’s doubtful that US military combat vets – who are more rural, southern, and conservative than the population at large – have ever so incontrovertibly turned on a war, at least since the very end of Vietnam.
On one level I felt a sense of vindication for my longtime antiwar stances when I read about the study – in the Military Times no less. But that was just ego. Within minutes I was sad, inconsolably and completely melancholy. Because if, as a “filibuster-proof” majority of my fellow veterans (and maybe even our otherwise unhinged president) believes, the Iraq and Afghan wars weren’t worth the sacrifice, then consider the unsettling implications. It would mean, for starters, that the US flushed nearly $5.9 trillion in hard-earned taxpayer cash down the toilet. It means that 7,000 American soldiers and upwards of 244,000 foreign civilians needn’t have lost their ever precious lives. Hundreds of thousands more might not have been injured or maimed. 21 million people wouldn’t have become refugees. The world, so to speak, could’ve been a safer, better place.
Those ever-so-logical conclusions should dismay even the most apathetic American. They should make us all rather sad, but, more importantly, should inform future decisions about the use of military force, the role of America in the world, and just how much foreign policy power to turn over to presidents. Because if we, collectively, don’t learn from our country’s eighteen year, tragic saga, then this republic is, without exaggeration, finished, once and for all.