What’s Holding The Arab World Back?

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What’s Holding the Arab World Back?

In the judo competition of the 2016 Olympics in Brazil, an Israeli heavyweight judo fighter named Or Sasson defeated his Egyptian opponent, Islam El Shehaby, in a first-round match. The Egyptian then refused to shake the Israeli's extended hand, earning boos from the crowd.

If you want the short answer for why the Arab world is sliding into the abyss, look no further than this little incident. It illustrates how hatred of Israel and Jews corrupts every element of Arab society.

You won't find this explanation for the Arab world's decline among journalists and academics. They reflexively blame the usual suspects: the legacy of colonialism, unemployed youth, the Sunni-Shia sectarian divide, and every other politically correct excuse they can think of. For them, hatred of Israel is treated like sand in Arabia -- just part of the landscape.

Yet the fact remains that over the past 70 years the Arab world expelled virtually all of its Jews, some 900,000 people, while holding on to its hatred of them. Over time the result proved fatal: a combination of lost human capital, expensive wars against Israel, and an intellectual life perverted by conspiracy theories and a perpetual search for scapegoats. The Arab world's problems are a problem of the Arab mindset, and the name of that problem is anti-Semitism.

As a historical phenomenon, this is not unique. Historian Paul Johnson has noted that wherever anti-Semitism took hold, social and political decline almost inevitably followed. Just a few examples:

Spain expelled its Jews in 1492. The effect, Johnson noted, “was to deprive Spain (and its colonies) of a class already notable for the astute handling of finance.”

In czarist Russia, the adoption of numerous anti-Semitic laws ultimately weakened and corrupted the entire Russian government. These laws also led to mass Jewish emigration, resulting in a breathtaking loss of intellectual and human capital.

Germany might well have won the race for an atomic bomb if Hitler hadn't sent Jewish scientists like Albert Einstein and Edward Teller into exile in the U.S.

These patterns were replicated in the Arab world. Contrary to myth, the cause was not the creation of the state of Israel in 1948. There were bloody anti-Jewish pogroms in Palestine in 1929, Iraq in 1941, and Libya in 1945.

Nor is it accurate to blame Israel for fueling anti-Semitism by refusing to trade land for peace. Among Egyptians, hatred of Israel barely abated after Prime Minister Menachem Begin returned the entire Sinai Peninsula to Egypt. And among Palestinians, anti-Semitism became markedly worse during the years of the Oslo peace process.

Johnson calls anti-Semitism a “highly infectious” disease capable of overwhelming intellectuals and simpletons alike. Its potency, he noted, lies in transforming a personal and instinctive irrationalism into a political and systematic one. For the Jew-hater, every crime has the same culprit and every problem has the same solution. Anti-Semitism makes the world seem simple. In doing so, it condemns the anti-Semite to a permanent darkness.

Today there is no great university in the Arab world, no serious scientific research, a stunted literary culture. In 2015 the U.S. Patent Office reported 3,804 patents from Israel, as compared with 30 from Egypt, the largest Arab country. Hatred of Israel and Jews has also deprived the Arab world of both the resources and the example of its neighbor. Israel quietly supplies water to Jordan, helping to ease the burden of Syrian refugees, and quietly provides surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities to Egypt to fight ISIS in the Sinai. But this is largely unknown among Arabs, for whom the only permissible image of Israel is an Israeli soldier in riot gear, abusing a Palestinian. Successful nations make a point of trying to learn from their neighbors. The Arab world has been taught over generations only to hate theirs.

This may be starting to change. Recently, the Arab world has been forced to face up to its own failings in ways it cannot easily blame on Israel. The change can be seen in the budding rapprochement between Jerusalem and Cairo, Riyadh and Abu Dhabi.

But that's not enough. So long as an Arab athlete can't pay his Israeli opposite the courtesy of a handshake, the disease of the Arab mind and the misfortunes of its world will continue.

For Israel, this is a pity.

For the Arabs, it's a calamity.

 

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Yah, it might be a good idea to try listening to some of the testimonies of Iraqi Jews who moved to Israel. Life was fine until the creation of Israel from their own mouths. It was the Israeli government that pressured the Arab world to expel the Jews from places like Iraq because they wouldn't have returned without pressure on these governments to do so.

From the mouth of an Iraqi Jew who was forced to migrate because of the pressure of the Israeli government.


The Jews were never expelled by the Arabs to begin with either. For example, it is called Operation Magic Carpet that returned Jews to Israel from Yemen in 1949 that was accomplished by British and American resources. It had nothing to do with the opinion of the Arab community towards the presence of the Jews.

Furthermore, the violence in the middle east was probably started by the writing of the Balfour Declaration in 1917, not the actual creation of Israel.

Furthermore, the Jews were often expelled from different countries like Spain because a child was found murdered and it was determined that the Jewish community remained a potential suspect because the bodies are repeatedly described as having the blood drained from many puncture wounds. That was why they have been expelled time and time again. These things are conveniently left out of ADL's propaganda to make the Jews appear to be victims in every case.

And the charge given legal sanction in the law of Alfonso the Wise cannot be dismissed as an example merely of fanaticism or propaganda without the observation that from time to time the Spanish courts, justly or unjustly, did find certain Jews guilty of atrocious crimes. It was the Bishop Juan Arias de Avila, son of Jewish converts, who passed sentence of death on seventeen Jews of Segovia in 1468 for the crucifixion of a Christian boy.

Another case of the same sort during the most anxious years of the Moorish War — 1487 or 1488 — gave Torquemada a powerful argument for the expulsion of the Jews, and was one of the chief factors, if not the decisive one, in the decision of Fernando and Isabel. It was the “serious and detestable crime” referred to indirectly in their edict of March 31. Only four months previously, in November of 1491, the whole nation had been stirred to wrath by the publication of the sentence. The burning of the two Jews and six Conversos who were convicted did not appease public opinion and the grave danger of another general massacre as horrible as that of 1391 must be reckoned among the weighty considerations that urged the King and Queen to their decision.

8 The complete record of testimony in the trial of one of the accused has been available since Fidel Fita published it in 1887 in the Bulletin of the Royal Academy at Madrid from the original manuscript in his possession.9 Since then it has been no longer possible to pretend successfully that it was a popular myth or a bit of anti-Jewish propaganda released by the Inquisitor General to justify the edict of March 31. Yet almost no notice has been taken of this invaluable source-material outside of Spain.
http://www.solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/Ritual-Murder/isabella-of-spain-chapter-25.pdf
 

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Yah, it might be a good idea to try listening to some of the testimonies of Iraqi Jews who moved to Israel. Life was fine until the creation of Israel from their own mouths. It was the Israeli government that pressured the Arab world to expel the Jews from places like Iraq because they wouldn't have returned without pressure on these governments to do so.

From the mouth of an Iraqi Jew who was forced to migrate because of the pressure of the Israeli government.


The Jews were never expelled by the Arabs to begin with either. For example, it is called Operation Magic Carpet that returned Jews to Israel from Yemen in 1949 that was accomplished by British and American resources. It had nothing to do with the opinion of the Arab community towards the presence of the Jews.

Furthermore, the violence in the middle east was probably started by the writing of the Balfour Declaration in 1917, not the actual creation of Israel.

Furthermore, the Jews were often expelled from different countries like Spain because a child was found murdered and it was determined that the Jewish community remained a potential suspect because the bodies are repeatedly described as having the blood drained from many puncture wounds. That was why they have been expelled time and time again. These things are conveniently left out of ADL's propaganda to make the Jews appear to be victims in every case.



http://www.solargeneral.org/wp-content/uploads/library/Ritual-Murder/isabella-of-spain-chapter-25.pdf
 

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I don't know where you assume that it is historically accurate that Spain suffered any loss either when the Jews were expelled. Spain seemed to be doing pretty good for themselves and was some pretty strong competition in the European exploration endeavors. In California, the historic Spanish missions seem to dispute the assumption that Spain was left with a deficit when the Jews left. This is false and misleading. The truth is no one was left with a deficit when the Jews left at any point in time. They did just fine without them. We all have two arms and two legs and most people know how to cook food and survive just fine without them.

However, in the case of the Arab world, the Jews and Arabs often seemed to benefit each other in many ways. It seems this was disrupted with the creation of Israel.
 

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Thunderian said:
Historian Paul Johnson has noted that wherever anti-Semitism took hold, social and political decline almost inevitably followed.
Christian zionist televangelists love bellowing this out from the pulpit. Expulsion of the Jews is blamed for the decline of the Spanish empire but they fail to account for the prosperity of Germany after WW2 and that now, its Europe's biggest economy. Maybe the yearly reparations negated the curse???

Empires have a 250yr life span and America has been in decline since the 60s, whether people want to acknowledge it or not, despite never failing to deliver that cheque. As of 2wks ago, there's only 9yrs left, but empires don't collapse in a single decade.


Whoever is to reply to this, don't you dare claim "we put men on the moon" as a sign of an empire in its prime. None of Israel's biggest supporters have accomplished the same feat and come to think of it, despite how Israel's technological advancements have been trumpeted, its strange they've never bothered to send men to the moon, let alone pry secrets from their best friend.

If Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin and Boeing's line of work is what makes a nation great......cool.

There is nothing holding the Arab world back. Empires, rise, peak and decline. The Arab/muslim world basked in the sun many centuries ago. Egypt, Greece, Persia and Babylon. Its not possible to regain former glory. Bottom line, nations will rise and fall regardless of anti-semitism.

Iam with @rainerann on coaxing goverments to 'expel' jews. I watched a documentary on a German Jewish couple afew years back who were hounded to move to Israel, ofcourse with compensation. They had such a terrible experience that they moved back to Germany. All this happening around 2010.
 

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Germany might well have won the race for an atomic bomb if Hitler hadn't sent Jewish scientists like Albert Einstein and Edward Teller into exile in the U.S.
So its a bad thing that Germany failed to design a vehicle of death because she expelled the Jews? Couldn't they do it on their own? Given that there was a little thing called Operation Paperclip, where German scientists were spirited across the Atlantic to fastrack America's space program. No wonder the US has been called the 4th Reich.
 

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What’s Holding the Arab World Back?

In the judo competition of the 2016 Olympics in Brazil, an Israeli heavyweight judo fighter named Or Sasson defeated his Egyptian opponent, Islam El Shehaby, in a first-round match. The Egyptian then refused to shake the Israeli's extended hand, earning boos from the crowd.

If you want the short answer for why the Arab world is sliding into the abyss, look no further than this little incident. It illustrates how hatred of Israel and Jews corrupts every element of Arab society.
Right, because the Arab world is being held back because some dude at the Olympics didn't want to shake hands with a competitor and has nothing to do with Israel's slaves setting up dictatorships in Arab countries, fuelling sectarian violence, invading them because they want to continue oil being sold in dollars despite what the Arabs want, and Israel slowly swallowing up more and more land from the Arabs in order for them to rebuild Greater Israel.

 

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Plots and Plans have held the 'Arab world' back and deliberate underhanded campaigns of all types. However what the zionists never understood is that the religion of Islam made the Arabs valuable and the religion is bigger than any ethnic group. At the moment, over a billion and a half plus Muslims are upset with Israel not because of Judaism but because of what the zionists have done to the Arabs and can see what has been done to the faith called Judaism.

This video highlights how the world of Christendom has been rocked by the social plots against them as well as how Islam as a practiced faith can withstand these upheavals. However, many areas have reduced the impact of Islam in their societies and suffer these same social ills that have destroyed the social fabric. The point is, they know the way back and the sooner Arabs learn that nationalism (and wholesale materialism) is counter productive for the Muslim ummah (nation) the better.

 
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Plots and Plans have held the 'Arab world' back and deliberate underhanded campaigns of all types. However what the zionists never understood is that the religion of Islam made the Arabs valuable and the religion is bigger than any ethnic group. At the moment, over a billion and a half plus Muslims are upset with Israel not because of Judaism but because of what the zionists have done to the Arabs and can see what has been done to the faith called Judaism. The sooner Arabs learn that nationalism is counter productive for the Muslim ummah (nation) the better.

We can thank colonialists for this. The cutting up of borders and creeating nation states to specifically cause violence among the Arabs has worked wonders for the elite. Arabs fight one another while the elite continue to steal resources.
 

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Because the reasons that you give for why they left are false. The Jews leaving had nothing to do with the Arab world hating the Jews.
So it wasn't the disenfranchisement and persecutions that drove a million Jews from Arab countries, but pressure from Israel that forced them all to move from their homes and lives to a country they didn't even want to go to in the first place?

This is your argument?
 

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There is nothing holding the Arab world back. Empires, rise, peak and decline. The Arab/muslim world basked in the sun many centuries ago. Egypt, Greece, Persia and Babylon. Its not possible to regain former glory. Bottom line, nations will rise and fall regardless of anti-semitism.
So the lack of progressive motion in the Arab middle east is just part of a natural cycle?

There's no correlation between the rise of antisemitic Islamism in places like Iran and Afghanistan and the stunting of human rights, social, intellectual and cultural progress in those countries?
 

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Israel slowly swallowing up more and more land from the Arabs in order for them to rebuild Greater Israel.
Can you please post a map showing all the land that Israel has swalowed up in the last, say, 50 years?
 

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So the lack of progressive motion in the Arab middle east is just part of a natural cycle?

There's no correlation between the rise of antisemitic Islamism in places like Iran and Afghanistan and the stunting of human rights, social, intellectual and cultural progress in those countries?
Iran is a developed nation that has laws and rules and so I don't see your point.

Afghanistan has been at war for longer than you have probably been alive due Europeans trying to invade and occupy the country and again I don't see your point in regards to the country and antisemitism.
 

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So it wasn't the disenfranchisement and persecutions that drove a million Jews from Arab countries, but pressure from Israel that forced them all to move from their homes and lives to a country they didn't even want to go to in the first place?

This is your argument?
Funny how all the problems Jews and Arabs started having was when Britain/Rothschilds got involved. If there was no pressure from Israel why would they try to pay Jews to come live there?
 

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So it wasn't the disenfranchisement and persecutions that drove a million Jews from Arab countries, but pressure from Israel that forced them all to move from their homes and lives to a country they didn't even want to go to in the first place?

This is your argument?
No, it is the argument of the actual Jews who remember when they were being recruited to return to Israel. This is another example of Jewish man who chose to stay in Iraq and actually has Islamic paraphernalia in his house. He says the Muslims are his friends and so he decided to stay in Iraq rather than go to Israel with the rest of his family. He couldn't leave he loved his friends in Iraq so much. He has a nice house. He looks well fed with a good sense of humor and disposition. No visible signs of abuse or mistreatment.


However, I am not sure why you are asking me without bringing any evidence to support your own argument that this is false. Where is the evidence that contradicts the testimony of the Jews who remember living in Iraq before the creation of Israel? How am I supposed to believe these sources over the testimony of witnesses of these conditions? That doesn't make any sense.

Having doctrinal differences with people doesn't mean that people want to go to war over them. The Jews and the Muslims have doctrinal differences. This isn't something you can deny. That doesn't mean they weren't able to live in peace with each other.

So how do you plan to prove something that would contradict witness testimony?
 

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So the lack of progressive motion in the Arab middle east is just part of a natural cycle?

There's no correlation between the rise of antisemitic Islamism in places like Iran and Afghanistan and the stunting of human rights, social, intellectual and cultural progress in those countries?
Yes, to a great extent, its a cycle. And there is no correlation between antisemitism and a lack of progression. Let us examine two former empires.
What has Greece bequeathed to the world, that is so awe-inspiring in the last 150yrs? Or Iran, for that matter? Socially, intellectually and culturally? Both countries are where they are today because of the progress made in their Classical epochs.
As for human rights, how humane is the Israeli gov't when it carries out forced sterilizations on Ethiopians living over there?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/#3a8d03df67b8
 

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However, I am not sure why you are asking me without bringing any evidence to support your own argument that this is false. Where is the evidence that contradicts the testimony of the Jews who remember living in Iraq before the creation of Israel? How am I supposed to believe these sources over the testimony of witnesses of these conditions? That doesn't make any sense.
Do you think that the contrary stories of a couple Jews negates historical fact?

Jews in Iraq were well established into the 20th century, but things changed for the worse in the 1940's. Pogroms were begun where Jews were attacked and murdered, including the slaughter known as the Farhud.

In May 1941, Iraqi fascists backed by popular support tried to overthrow the pro-Western monarchy and seize British oil fields in Iraq to facilitate the oil-dependent German advance east to Russia. That failed. The Iraqi coup plotters in Baghdad decided to do the next best thing, exterminate its Jews in a single blow. Jews were ordered to stay in their homes, and their doors were marked with a red hamsa. At the last minute, the extermination plot fell apart. But as the coup leaders fled, in that momentarily power vacuum on June 1-2, 1941, dejected swarms of soldiers, in concert with police, common criminals and nondescript mobs rampaged through Baghdad hunting for Jews. They were easily found. Hundreds of Jews were cut down by sword and rifle, some decapitated. Babies were sliced in half and thrown into the Tigris river. Girls were raped in front of their parents. Parents were mercilessly killed in front of their children. Hundreds of Jewish homes and businesses were looted, then burned.

In 1948 Zionism became a crime.

On July 19, 1948, Iraq amended penal code Law 51 against anarchy, immorality, and communism, adding the word “Zionism.” Zionism itself now became a crime, punishable by up to seven years in prison. As every Jew was thought to be a Zionist, every Jew was thereby criminalized. Only two Muslim witnesses were needed to denounce a Jew, with virtually no avenue of appeal.

By 1950, mass exodus had begun, but any Jew leaving had to forfeit their Iraqi citizenship, as well as any property of theirs that remained in Iraq. In 1952, Jews were forbidden to emigrate, and by the end of the 1960's it was unlawful for them to sell property (with most of it later being confiscated), their businesses were shut down, they were unable to work legally, and many of them were put under house arrest.

The above is indisputable, accepted by historians and confirmed by contemporary records and first-hand accounts, and typical events were repeated wholesale against Jews across the Arab world. Your witnesses are an aberration, and their testimonies are very exceptional.
 
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