Wearing a Mask

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They are hiring experts that understand much better than “jo public” how the chemistry behind respiration works and why the claims people are making here are not substantiated.

Don’t you understand that the evidence of a sats monitor is actually followed through by the evidence of arterial blood samples? Those blood samples show the levels of O2 and CO2 in the arterial blood and therefore help to diagnose hypoxia and hypercapnia. The problem with theories that people are paid to push agendas, is that it assumes everyone understands how the body works as poorly as you do. However, they don’t. You don’t credit individuals with the intelligence they deserve to be credited with. You don’t credit them with the ability to think critically for themselves. As a medical professional, I find your claims offensive. I also find that your total disrespect for people who understand the science better, detracts from and undermines your article. No matter what anyone says, you and others like you, find a way to dismiss them. It makes you look foolish.
You can believe whatever you like, but you cannot expect others to believe that every single person who has ever studied the human body for whatever reason, is somehow guilty of being blinded by an elite who want to push their own agenda. It’s rather disingenuous, to say the least.
If you clearly don’t understand the science then you can’t dismiss it - and you clearly don’t.
Its a conspiracy forum. Posters here are going to challenge the mainstream narrative. Like I said before, you very well could be right.

But presenting mainstream facts to conspiracy theorist is like trying to fit a circle into a square. It’s not going to fit. People here have their beliefs.

I’m just here to see all resources mainstream and independent.
 






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Great new VC article. https://vigilantcitizen.com/

This is an unprecedented response, for healthy people without symptoms to wear masks...

Common question
Is there asymptomatic transmission of the coronavirus disease?

An asymptomatic laboratory-confirmed case is a person infected with COVID-19 who does not develop symptoms. Asymptomatic transmission refers to transmission of the virus from a person, who does not develop symptoms.

There are few reports of laboratory-confirmed cases who are truly asymptomatic, and to date, there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission. This does not exclude the possibility that it may occur. Asymptomatic cases have been reported as part of contact tracing efforts in some countries. WHO regularly monitors all emerging evidence about this critical topic and will provide an upda te as more information becomes available.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200402-sitrep-73-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=5ae25bc7_2
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they are hiring experts that follow their directive. that goes for ANY doctor you go to who must follow the protocols laid out by the AMA (here in the US). stray from those protocols and a doctor can have a malpractice lawsuit on his hands. the documentary i asked you to watch goes into depth on the whys and hows of this.
plenty of certified doctors- not 'joe publics', have said the masks are dangerous. i think frank badfinger listed 4 or more of them. 2 of them were epidemiologists, i believe, but thats still not good enough for you. so.. fine.


if you are familiar with how aspartame was passed by the FDA or more importantly how vaccine research claimed that vaccines were deemed "safe" and "effective" (vaxxed documentary), you would understand how skeptical i am of the latest scientific evidence.


this sounds very similar to those promoting the climate change hoax. does dr. bill gates know the science better than any of us, too?
(i dont know what article youre referring to, btw)


show me where i said 'every single person'. one needs a single referee or umpire in order to rig a baseball, football, or basketball game. thats it. some of the ones that are not being blinded ARE speaking up. youre just not listening.
the vast public majority are hoodwinked and enslaved and have absolutely no inkling of it, including, respectively, yourself. although i try to reach everyone i can, i know that not everyone is willing to understand the real machinations of
the architects of control. i offer the door as i did you, but you didnt bother looking at any of the documentaries so i wouldnt expect you to understand.



others on this thread have dismissed it six ways from sunday. youve dismissed it because it wasnt your experts.
Haven't seen ii reply to. ,..
 






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Hat on s not what I was i wanted to say
Also.i think oha be we t the do uy do d do g hi u to ed
 






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others on this thread have dismissed it six ways from sunday. youve dismissed it because it wasnt your experts.
With all due respect, isn’t it that exactly what you are doing? Aren’t you rejecting my evidence because it’s not from your experts? Tell me who I could refer to here as an independent expert that you would find acceptable? There was lots more evidence out there but I didn’t post any of it because no matter where it came from, it’s biased according to people here.
However, the difference between me and some others here is that I am not just looking for evidence which is sympathetic to my agenda. I am looking for evidence that is based on fact - evidence which makes sense scientifically. The chemistry behind respiration is very precise. When I am looking for evidence about whether masks cause hypercapnia, I’m looking at the science. Now those articles I posted, didn’t necessarily go too far into the science because I was trying to post stuff people would understand or find remotely acceptable.

The irony is that I have made my personal feelings about wearing face masks known. I don’t wear one I’m out but I would if I was required to. My only reason for posting evidence against that suggesting they cause breathing difficulties, because I don’t like factual inaccuracy.
I worked in an environment as a nurse, where sometimes I was required to wear masks for prolonged periods of time. Colleagues in different specialties wore them for much longer periods. I have first-hand experience of this, plus I understand the science.
I don’t need the American government or any other government to convince me masks are safe, I can look at the information and work it out for myself. If your evidence was more convincing, I would choose to believe it.

Do you honestly believe that everything that science and medicine has taught us about how the body works, is all lies? That’s a truly mind-blowing idea. I mean, we don’t just assume things about the body. You do understand that in things like respiration, the evidence is borne out by the body itself. We understood the mechanism of respiration long before we understood the chemistry behind it. However the whole process is so intricate and finely tuned and the most amazing thing is that what we know about the physical process, is backed up by the chemical one. I mean I could take a sample of your arterial blood and in a matter of minutes I can have the results in my hand. You know something else about the beauty of testing blood gases? It isn’t always done in a lab. In ICU or HDU, it’s done right there on the unit by individual practitioners and yields an immediate result. That rules out the interference of the lab. I can look at that analysis and I know the exact make up of the gases in your blood - that will be backed up by my physical observations of you, as well as the equipment monitoring you. For that to be incorrect, there would have to be an incredible amount of manipulation going on.
You do know that the most important subject for the study of medicine is chemistry, right? In the U.K., you don’t even have to have studied biology to Alevel to gain entry to a medicine degree. You absolutely have to have studied chemistry. Everything in the body is controlled by chemistry and therefore understanding the science behind it and why a mask isn’t a threat to respiration from a chemistry perspective, is key.
That is what my objection to your evidence is about - not that they aren’t my experts.
 






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Its a conspiracy forum. Posters here are going to challenge the mainstream narrative. Like I said before, you very well could be right.

But presenting mainstream facts to conspiracy theorist is like trying to fit a circle into a square. It’s not going to fit. People here have their beliefs.

I’m just here to see all resources mainstream and independent.
Yea, that’s fine. It doesn’t mean their beliefs are well founded, in every instance. Even conspiracy theorists should be open to the idea they might be factually incorrect on occasions.
I mean, not even I am right all of the time - hard as that might be to believe! ;)
 






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Yea, that’s fine. It doesn’t mean their beliefs are well founded, in every instance. Even conspiracy theorists should be open to the idea they might be factually incorrect on occasions.
I mean, not even I am right all of the time - hard as that might be to believe! ;)
The same can be said whatever it is you're trying to peddle on these boards. I can assure you, anyone who can think critically isn't buying anything that you're selling. Your long winded online diatribes with your alleged background as a nurse isn't reassuring anyone who's noticing that TPTB are doing what they can to take our freedom(s) away from us.
 






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The same can be said whatever it is you're trying to peddle on these boards. I can assure you, anyone who can think critically isn't buying anything that you're selling. Your long winded online diatribes with your alleged background as a nurse isn't reassuring anyone who's noticing that TPTB are doing what they can to take our freedom(s) away from us.
So you’re not buying the science behind how the body works?
So I take it if you ever need medical intervention to keep that body working, you’ll refuse?
Would you mind explaining what diatribe I’m posting? I mean, I’ve made my stance on mask-wearing clear. Somewhere at the very start off all this I agreed that the pharmaceutical industry was primarily a profit-making one which had the potential to corrupt it. I’ve acknowledged that governments have often been and continue to be corrupt. I have accepted that while I see some things like 9/11 differently it is perfectly probable that there was something else going on - I have even said I would not be at all surprised if it turned out to be the case. I read the articles people link etc and watch videos.
So what am I guilty of? Falsely claiming to be a nurse? Would you like me to send you my registration details so you can check them? Why would I lie? You realise that it’s this kind of comment that undermines your arguments? It makes you look irrational. The world is not out to trick you, even if individuals are.
Someone spent pages trying to convince me that science was absolute. Now you’re trying to convince me there’s no grounds for science at all. No matter who you think I’d lying to you, your body doesn’t lie. The fact remains that it is very, very unlikely, that wearing of masks - because of the chemistry behind the science - will interfere with the breathing of a healthy individual.
I didn’t invent the science. I have nothing to gain by lying to you. What does anyone else have to gain by lying to you? What are they trying to achieve? Aren’t there easier ways of stripping individuals of their identity and dignity than creating a virus and making everyone wear masks? If that is the common goal in mask wearing, why aren’t all governments enforcing it?
Everything you accuse me of, you are guilty of in reverse. That’s okay, you continue on with your moral high ground and I’ll continue with the truth, as I know it. I’ll continue to have an open mind, while understanding what I do know to be true (there are some truths, like how the body works, which are true). You continue to be suspicious and fearful while denying the place of individual responsibility.
 






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So you’re not buying the science behind how the body works?
So I take it if you ever need medical intervention to keep that body working, you’ll refuse?
Would you mind explaining what diatribe I’m posting? I mean, I’ve made my stance on mask-wearing clear. Somewhere at the very start off all this I agreed that the pharmaceutical industry was primarily a profit-making one which had the potential to corrupt it. I’ve acknowledged that governments have often been and continue to be corrupt. I have accepted that while I see some things like 9/11 differently it is perfectly probable that there was something else going on - I have even said I would not be at all surprised if it turned out to be the case. I read the articles people link etc and watch videos.
So what am I guilty of? Falsely claiming to be a nurse? Would you like me to send you my registration details so you can check them? Why would I lie? You realise that it’s this kind of comment that undermines your arguments? It makes you look irrational. The world is not out to trick you, even if individuals are.
Someone spent pages trying to convince me that science was absolute. Now you’re trying to convince me there’s no grounds for science at all. No matter who you think I’d lying to you, your body doesn’t lie. The fact remains that it is very, very unlikely, that wearing of masks - because of the chemistry behind the science - will interfere with the breathing of a healthy individual.
I didn’t invent the science. I have nothing to gain by lying to you. What does anyone else have to gain by lying to you? What are they trying to achieve? Aren’t there easier ways of stripping individuals of their identity and dignity than creating a virus and making everyone wear masks? If that is the common goal in mask wearing, why aren’t all governments enforcing it?
Everything you accuse me of, you are guilty of in reverse. That’s okay, you continue on with your moral high ground and I’ll continue with the truth, as I know it. I’ll continue to have an open mind, while understanding what I do know to be true (there are some truths, like how the body works, which are true). You continue to be suspicious and fearful while denying the place of individual responsibility.
 






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The latest COVID-19 spikes seem to defy the whole mask-wearing theory.

It goes back to what I've said before about a false sense of security. And the medicinal community simply not having any better recommendations. The reality is, most people testing positive these days probably had COVID-19 antibodies this whole time. Plus we don't really know what type of testing each positive case received.
 






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The latest COVID-19 spikes seem to defy the whole mask-wearing theory.

It goes back to what I've said before about a false sense of security. And the medicinal community simply not having any better recommendations. The reality is, most people testing positive these days probably had COVID-19 antibodies this whole time. Plus we don't really know what type of testing each positive case received.
Do you mean spikes in the US or generally?
 






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The latest COVID-19 spikes seem to defy the whole mask-wearing theory.

It goes back to what I've said before about a false sense of security. And the medicinal community simply not having any better recommendations. The reality is, most people testing positive these days probably had COVID-19 antibodies this whole time. Plus we don't really know what type of testing each positive case received.
You won’t necessarily test positive though, at the same time as having an positive antibody test. You will develop the antibodies in response to having been infected but you be could clear of the infection, now. If that makes sense?
I do think you are right about complacency though and that has been part of the argument against wearing masks and gloves in the U.K. The best control is hand washing and social distancing. Wearing a mask doesn’t take away the need to wash hands.
Hand washing is always the best line of defence.
 






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Do you mean spikes in the US or generally?
It's my understanding that specific areas of the U.S are having new COVID-19 spikes. In Ohio for example, the average positive case per day was around 400-500. Now the past few days there have been upwards of 800 new cases. Also, there's no clear indication as to why. People in Ohio are still wearing masks, we are still social distancing. The city I live in just canceled their 4th of July parade.

You won’t necessarily test positive though, at the same time as having an positive antibody test. You will develop the antibodies in response to having been infected but you be could clear of the infection, now. If that makes sense?
I do think you are right about complacency though and that has been part of the argument against wearing masks and gloves in the U.K. The best control is hand washing and social distancing. Wearing a mask doesn’t take away the need to wash hands.
Hand washing is always the best line of defence.
Yes, I understand how antibodies work. In fact, that's my whole point. A positive antibody test likely means that whoever had the infection is now clear of infection. So how does adding those positive cases into the mix give us any new insight? It doesn't. It's misleading to lump all the positive cases together.

This is like the media and government doing a 1 sided analysis. They are just advertising positive cases without proper context. Either way, it seems like sometime soon we should realize there may be nothing else we can do. The virus is going to continue to run its course.
 






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It's my understanding that specific areas of the U.S are having new COVID-19 spikes. In Ohio for example, the average positive case per day was around 400-500. Now the past few days there have been upwards of 800 new cases. Also, there's no clear indication as to why. People in Ohio are still wearing masks, we are still social distancing. The city I live in just canceled their 4th of July parade.


Yes, I understand how antibodies work. In fact, that's my whole point. A positive antibody test likely means that whoever had the infection is now clear of infection. So how does adding those positive cases into the mix give us any new insight? It doesn't. It's misleading to lump all the positive cases together.

This is like the media and government doing a 1 sided analysis. They are just advertising positive cases without proper context. Either way, it seems like sometime soon we should realize there may be nothing else we can do. The virus is going to continue to run its course.
I do honestly believe that some areas - particularly in the US - have opened up too quickly. There are similar concerns here, particularly in relation to Leicester, with the government considering what action needs to be taken. We are still quite far behind the US though, I think. People have become complacent.

I possibly misunderstood what you were saying about the testing. I didn’t understand that the antibody tests were included in the numbers of positive cases there.
I also agree with you, that it is difficult to see a clear way forward. It seems inevitable that there will continue to be spikes in the incidence of cases as we come out of lockdown. It’s just a matter of knowing what’s acceptable or when action is required.
 






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I do honestly believe that some areas - particularly in the US - have opened up too quickly. There are similar concerns here, particularly in relation to Leicester, with the government considering what action needs to be taken. We are still quite far behind the US though, I think. People have become complacent.

I possibly misunderstood what you were saying about the testing. I didn’t understand that the antibody tests were included in the numbers of positive cases there.
I also agree with you, that it is difficult to see a clear way forward. It seems inevitable that there will continue to be spikes in the incidence of cases as we come out of lockdown. It’s just a matter of knowing what’s acceptable or when action is required.
How we are tallying positive cases in the U.S is unclear. Maybe the information is out there and I just can't find it.

Its like I have to dig through all the medias garbage opinions just to find something that should be at the top of every COVID-19 article.
 






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I think I might have caught the fukn shit. My lunges hurt, it's though to draw breaths, feels like my throat is closingin on me and I've lost my voice plus my throat really hurts and Im coughing so my eyes are tearing. At most I can get half a sound through but thats it. Could be a common cold, I dont know, theres no fever yet nor any muscle pain.

It came the day after some guys bothered me at the beach by initiating conversation and then one of them moving to my towel and sitting EXTREMELY close (we're talking so close his skin touched mine, it felt respectless and a bit eery) although I told him to move a bit bc my eyes couldnt focus, bc he was so close. They also insisted on me drinking wine with them and gave me a used mug to drink from, I didnt dare to object.. Their friend had just been arrested hours before bc he had been trying to start fights and bothered girls around so a man called the police who wresteled him down and and I wasnt smart enough to -like the other girls around- move away from them bc I thought I should be able to sit around them without being bothered but nope.

:oops:

Should have moved away from them.
 






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